Call to Public Debate- Any Brave Atheist or Atheists

[Kiranga]

For the case of the Judeo Christian/Islamic personal godhead (or any that is omnipotent and omnibenevolent) I shall endeavor to engage anybody publicly if and only if the problem of evil is addressed squarely and logically.

At least then I will know that this person has wrestled with the classic arguments and logic enough to warrant a debate.

Until then, I am logically predisposed to not take seriously any offer of a public debate, as there is no guarantee that it will not be an exercise in futility with a two bit theist who cannot even explain the godhead he/she believes in in a logically consistent way.

Case in point, the present thread seems to link directly atheism with evolution while atheism was a logically sound system thousands of years before evolution became fashionable and scientifically acceptable.

Why should I waste my time with such an uninformed person?

Cc Nyani Ngabu , housegirl

 

[Ishmael]

I am not an atheist but I share something in common with them. I don't think all atheists support the evolution theory so it's a wrong perception to see them as the believers of the evolution theory.

What is this you share with non theism? Of course all of them do believe in evolution, is like saying I am a Christian but I do not believe in the Holy Spirit!! Utakuwaje Mkristo bila ya Holy Spirit?

 

[Eiyer]

Mpaka leo mnashindwa kuelewa..kisichokuwepo kinatjibitishwa vipi?

Kama umeshindwa kuelewa basi hakithibitishiki?

 

[Tiger]

What is this you share with non theism? Of course all of them do believe in evolution, is like saying I am a Christian but I do not believe in the Holy Spirit!! Utakuwaje Mkristo bila ya Holy Spirit?

Soma paragraph mbili za mwisho za Kiranga na utagundua kuwa mnaongea sana ila hamuelewi undani wa mambo.
Huwezi kujitapa uko tayari kufanya mjadala na atheist huku ukidhani atheists wote wanaitambua evolution theory kama msingi wa falsafa yao.

 

[Tiger]

For the case of the Judeo Christian/Islamic personal godhead (or any that is omnipotent and omnibenevolent) I shall endeavor to engage anybody publicly if and only if the problem of evil is addressed squarely and logically.

At least then I will know that this person has wrestled with the classic arguments and logic enough to warrant a debate.

Until then, I am logically predisposed to not take seriously any offer of a public debate, as there is no guarantee that it will not be an exercise in futility with a two bit theist who cannot even explain the godhead he/she believes in in a logically consistent way.

Case in point, the present thread seems to link directly atheism with evolution while atheism was a logically sound system thousands of years befire evolution.became fashionable and scientifically acceptable.

Why should I waste my time with such an uninformed person?

Cc Nyani Ngabu , housegirl

I like your final line.

 

[housegirl]

Someones Faith is not necessarily a fact, is what someone believes (be it true or not but to him/her is the truth) it does not need to be seen or proved, just believed...., Therefore in my opinion its rather a wastage of time and resources for two people of different faith to argue unless both are of the same faith..

But when it comes to science or facts people can argue and reach an agreement because in every ones argument he will bring out theories /facts based on his/her findings.

Therefore that is why I said the evidence proving theory of evolution is among others....

• universal genetic code
• fossils
• Genetics Commonalities
• Common traits in embryos
• Bacteria resistance to anti biotics

Therefore in a logical and factual way (talking scientifically and not emotionally or using ones faith), someone who says these are not evidence needs to come out and say why these traits don't mean evolution and rather mean something different, after that he/she should say what that something different is.., and how it happens.., after that the all scientific world will take that new theory and discard the available one

Finally someone who knows something about evolution!!!

This man who dares to call on a debate about evolution is not aware of the numerous ways in which new DNA is formed!

This same man has been challenging evolution by asking for "missing links".

The people in here who are against evolution, know nothing about evolution. Bacteria resistence to antibiotics means nothing to them. Phenotypical Changes in organisms like birds means nothing to them.

They dont even know what evolution is!!! Wanataka kesho nyani azae mtoto ambaye hana mkia ndo waelewe evolution!!!

Do they even know what made scientists conclude evolution!!

You Stefano Mtangoo of all people in here shouldnt be confidently asking for a debate on evolution.....for now....labda uje baada ya mwaka mmoja.....

And as many have pointed out, you linking atheism with evolution shows you are not ready for a debate. Dont you know of any Christian evolutionists?

#bye thread.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

The people in here who are against evolution, know nothing about evolution. Bacteria resistence to antibiotics means nothing to them.

So what are you trying to say here? That the resistance of some bacteria to antibiotics is evidence of evolution in action?

If so, what do they evolve into? Man? Felines? Reptilians?

 

[Ishmael]

So what are you trying to say here? That the resistance of some bacteria to antibiotics is evidence of evolution in action?

If so, what do they evolve into? Man? Felines? Reptilians?

Very good question :A S 41:

 

[Logikos]

So what are you trying to say here? That the resistance of some bacteria to antibiotics is evidence of evolution in action?

If so, what do they evolve into? Man? Felines? Reptilians?

It shows adaptation and survival of the fittest, be it the occurrence of the surviving bacteria is through mutation or any other means...

 

[Ishmael]

Soma paragraph mbili za mwisho za Kiranga na utagundua kuwa mnaongea sana ila hamuelewi undani wa mambo.
Huwezi kujitapa uko tayari kufanya mjadala na atheist huku ukidhani atheists wote wanaitambua evolution theory kama msingi wa falsafa yao.

Pole sana kijana kwa kuendelea kuogopa kujibu maswali. Who started non theism and what is the foundation of same?

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

It shows adaptation and survival of the fittest, be it the occurrence of the surviving bacteria is through mutation or any other means...

What do the bacteria evolve into?

 

[housegirl]

So what are you trying to say here? That the resistance of some bacteria to antibiotics is evidence of evolution in action?

If so, what do they evolve into? Man? Felines? Reptilians?

LOL Nyani Ngabu are you trying to be funny?

First widen your understanding on the definition of evolution. Evolution is the change in the frequencey of ALLELES in a population.

(allele: simply an alternative form of a gene. eg. allele for a blue pupil and allele for a black pupil

gene:simply a segment of the DNA that codes for traits/features/functions. animals are said to be diploid i.e only two alleles for each gene)

but in the case of the resistant bacterias, there are many ways that they become resistant.

wengine wanapunguza uwezekano wa vitu (madawa) kupenetrate through their membranes.

wengine wanapumguza the channels throught which vitu (madawa) huingia.

wengine wametengeneza enzymes za kudigest penicillin (can you imagine?)(this has been mostly through natural selection)

some change the structures of the antibiotic target site
etc

so what is happening now is simply change in allele frequency (more bacteria are having the gene coding for resistence).

what will happen after they are all antibiotic resistant¿ well lets just hope that we will never run out of new antibiotics

 

[Logikos]

What do the bacteria evolve into?

The non resistant bacterias evolve into resistant bacterias.., overtime through natural selection the non resistant ones disappear and we remain with the resistant ones.., that's why human kind will always continue to fight with the disease..

Remember revolution acts at a slow pace that's why bacterias (which can produce generations within days) is the best candidate to be used.., even at their fast reproducing rate still it takes years for the resistant trait to become dorminant

 

[housegirl]

It shows adaptation and survival of the fittest, be it the occurrence of the surviving bacteria is through mutation or any other means...

yes...inawezekana wakati bacteria yuko kwenye process ya kuharibiwa na antibiotic iliyolengwa kuharibu DNA yake, akaenda kuzaa (lol) , so the daughter cells zikachukua copy ya protein iliyoharibika, luckily wakawa resistant!!

 

[housegirl]

What do the bacteria evolve into?

as KeyserSoze said it will be a long time before they all become resistant. will we even survive to see what they evolve in to?

but imagine bacteria wanaopunguza permeability za membranes zao. they are developing more rigid membranes. the surrounding play a big role. you never know what the rigid membranes could make them do that now they cant.

 

[housegirl]

What do the bacteria evolve into?

small processes in the body begin to change. usianze kufikiria kama wataota ngozi ya binadamu. thats to soon lol

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

LOL Nyani Ngabu are you trying to be funny?/quote]

No, I'm serious.

First widen your understanding on the definition of evolution. Evolution is the change in the frequencey of ALLELES in a population.

Help me broaden my understanding, please.

(allele: simply an alternative form of a gene. eg. allele for a blue pupil and allele for a black pupil

gene:simply a segment of the DNA that codes for traits/features/functions. animals are said to be diploid i.e only two alleles for each gene)

Thank you ever so much for this information.

but in the case of the resistant bacterias,

The plural of bacterium is bacteria, not "bacterias".

there are many ways that they become resistant.

Okay, let's explore those many ways.....

wengine wanapunguza uwezekano wa vitu (madawa) kupenetrate through their membranes.

wengine wanapumguza the channels throught which vitu (madawa) huingia.

Okay, kwa hiyo, hiyo ndo evolution? Yaani evolution in action?

wengine wametengeneza enzymes za kudigest penicillin (can you imagine?)(this has been mostly through natural selection)

some change the structures of the antibiotic target site

Okay...still that doesn't show what those bacteria evolve into.....
etc

so what is happening now is simply change in allele frequency (more bacteria are having the gene coding for resistence).

what will happen after they are all antibiotic resistant¿ well lets just hope that we will never run out of new antibiotics

You still haven't answered my questions. So let me ask them again....

So what are you trying to say here? That the resistance of some bacteria to antibiotics is evidence of evolution in action?

If so, what do they evolve into? Man? Felines? Reptilians?

I ask these questions because we are told that we humans descended from apes (not sure from whom/what apes descended from hahahaaaaa)

And if you contend that bacteria resistance is evidence of evolution in action, then they ought to evolve into another functioning system.

 

[Logikos]

as @ KeyserSoze said it will be a long time before they all become resistant. will we evwn survive to see what they evolve in to?

but imagine bacteria wanapunguza permeability za membranes zao. they are developing more rigid membranes. the surrounding play a big role. you never know what the rigid membranes could make them do that now they cant.

Huu ndio uzuri wa Sayansi hakuna blah blah bla na kila mtu anaruhusiwa kuuliza na ku-challenge theory yoyote na kama anaona sio ya kweli akileta evidence na proof ya kwamba hiki kimetokea sababu hii na hii ndio maana hiki na kile kimetokea basi watu watamsikiliza..

Kwahio nadhani yoyote anayeona hii ni uongo huu ndio wakati wa kuweza kuwa famous.., afanye research zake na aje na theories na proof kwamba kile kilichokuwa tunadhani kimetokea kumbe sio bali ni A, B, C..., na uzuri wa wanasayansi hawapo rigid..., watabadilika na kila kitu kitabadilishwa.., lakini until then these are the facts and they have been proven with evidence

 

[Mkuu wa chuo]

Ngojea niendelee kula material tu, nitaanza kuuliza maswali baadae baada ya somo kwa mabingwa wa Evolution...

 

[housegirl]

LOL Nyani Ngabu are you trying to be funny?/quote]

No, I'm serious.



Help me broaden my understanding, please.



Thank you ever so much for this information.



The plural of bacterium is bacteria, not "bacterias".



Okay, let's explore those many ways.....



Okay, kwa hiyo, hiyo ndo evolution? Yaani evolution in action?



Okay...still that doesn't show what those bacteria evolve into.....
etc



You still haven't answered my questions. So let me ask them again....

So what are you trying to say here? That the resistance of some bacteria to antibiotics is evidence of evolution in action?

If so, what do they evolve into? Man? Felines? Reptilians?

I ask these questions because we are told that we humans descended from apes (not sure from whom/what apes descended from hahahaaaaa)

And if you contend that bacteria resistance is evidence of evolution in action, then they ought to evolve into another functioning system.

LOL asante kwa kurekebisha gramma. umenikumbusha mbali mno...

Yes thats evolution in action.

you missed the point ya mimi kukupa definition hiyo ya evolution. I repeat, the bacteria are now evolving by producing more resistant bacteria. Thats evolution. thats what they evolved into, from non resistant to resistant.

how can we know what they will change in to???? the reason they changed in the first place is because their environment changed.

do we know how the environment will change? do we know if there will be a drug to kill them all?

maybe they will have tripple membranes. (the cell membrane, the cell wall and the new membrane)

your question is not right.

for them to change into a different species alot (in the environment) has to change.