Call to Public Debate- Any Brave Atheist or Atheists

[Kongosho]

what for? Labda kama kupiga mahela, ndo habari ya mujini.

 

[Logikos]

I ask these questions because we are told that we humans descended from apes (not sure from whom/what apes descended from hahahaaaaa)

And if you contend that bacteria resistance is evidence of evolution in action, then they ought to evolve into another functioning system.

First of all Apes and Humans are the same Family..., and as I said before bacterias within days they can go into multiple generations..., yaani wewe kizazi chako chote unachokifahamu kwa bacterias kinaweza kuchukua dakika.., sasa unapotaka wewe uone a single celled organisms ana-evolve into multicellular organisms within your lifetime is beyond belief and hard to comprehend...

Anyway be it you believe that humans evolved from apes or not does not disqualify that what happen in bacterias is evolution unless you want to change its definition..

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

The non resistant bacterias evolve into resistant bacterias.., overtime through natural selection the non resistant ones disappear and we remain with the resistant ones.., that's why human kind will always continue to fight with the disease..[/quote)

What? So bacteria just evolves into another type of bacteria? From non-resistant to resistant?

Remember revolution

I thought we are talking about evolution and not revolution.....

acts at a slow pace that's why bacterias (which can produce generations within days) is the best candidate to be used.., even at their fast reproducing rate still it takes years for the resistant trait to become dorminant

See, that's where the obfuscation begins that renders the theory falsifiable. It's not testable.

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

as KeyserSoze said it will be a long time before they all become resistant. will we even survive to see what they evolve in to?

How long is a long time?

but imagine bacteria wanaopunguza permeability za membranes zao. they are developing more rigid membranes. the surrounding play a big role. you never know what the rigid membranes could make them do that now they cant.

This is speculative!

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

First of all Apes and Humans are the same species..., and as I said before bacterias within days they can go into multiple generations..., yaani wewe kizazi chako chote unachokifahamu kwa bacterias kinaweza kuchukua dakika.., sasa unapotaka wewe uone a single celled organisms ana-evolve into multicellular organisms within your lifetime is beyond belief and hard to comprehend...

Why is it so hard to comprehend?

Anyway be it you believe that humans evolved from apes or not does not disqualify that what happen in bacterias is evolution unless you want to change its definition..

Actually I'm not at all the interested in the evolution of bacteria. I'm interested in the so called evolution of apes to man.

 

[Logikos]

How long is a long time?



This is speculative!

How long did it take for penicillin to stop being as effective ? How many medicines are stop being used and rendered ineffective and why ?

Food for Thought..... for something which reproduce multiple generations within days still it takes years for them to evolve into resistant bacterias and you still want to see them evolve into different species..!!!!, remember in bacterias lifespan its less than milliseconds of your life

 

[Logikos]

Why is it so hard to comprehend?



Actually I'm not all the interested in the evolution of bacteria. I'm interested in the so called evolution of apes to man.

Okay so you do agree that bacteria do evolve ?.., We can safely say that the question of mwanzisha uzi kwamba evolution haina evidence is non starter .., As of Apes into Humans if you refute this theory what is your theory then... and if you don't mind come with evidence as Mr Darwin did on his theory...

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

LOL asante kwa kurekebisha gramma. umenikumbusha mbali mno...

Ahlan wa sahlan!

Yes thats evolution in action.

Hmm...okay.

you missed the point ya mimi kukupa definition hiyo ya evolution. I repeat, the bacteria are now evolving by producing more resistant bacteria. Thats evolution. thats what they evolved into, from non resistant to resistant.

I wouldn't call it evolution. That's like me going to the gym each day to workout to develop my muscles. Eventually they'll get bigger, stronger, and endurable to resistance (weight resistance, that is).

Now, would you call that evolution?

how can we know what they will change in to???? the reason they changed in the first place is because their environment changed.

Yes, and that's called adaptation, not evolution. They just got used to dealing the antibiotic and now it no longer bothers them.

do we know how the environment will change? do we know if there will be a drug to kill them all?

maybe they will have tripple membranes. (the cell membrane, the cell wall and the new membrane)

Sounds like there are plenty of unknowns....

your question is not right.

How so?

for them to change into a different species alot (in the environment) has to change.

Like what has to change?

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Okay so you do agree that bacteria do evolve ?..,

No, I agree that they do adapt or get acclimated to new conditions. I wouldn't call that evolution.

We can safely say that the question of mwanzisha uzi kwamba evolution haina evidence is non starter ..,

It's not a nonstarter. It's a valid question.

As of Apes into Humans if you refute this theory what is your theory then... and if you don't mind come with evidence as Mr Darwin did on his theory...

I don't have to come up with my own theory to see the falsities of his theory. His just doesn't add up.

 

[housegirl]

First of all Apes and Humans are the same species..., and as I said before bacterias within days they can go into multiple generations..., yaani wewe kizazi chako chote unachokifahamu kwa bacterias kinaweza kuchukua dakika.., sasa unapotaka wewe uone a single celled organisms ana-evolve into multicellular organisms within your lifetime is beyond belief and hard to comprehend...

Anyway be it you believe that humans evolved from apes or not does not disqualify that what happen in bacterias is evolution unless you want to change its definition..

no. humans and apes are of different species becase we cannot interbreed and produce a fertile offspring

Nyani Ngabu, as KeyserSoze said, the more the individuls inthe population the more difficult it will be to change the allele frequency kwahiyo hadi population nzima ya.bacteria ibadilike (kuwa resistant), not any time soon

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

no. humans and apes are of different species becase we cannot interbreed and produce a fertile offspring

Nyani Ngabu, as KeyserSoze said, the more the individuls inthe population the more difficult it will be to change the allele frequency kwahiyo hadi population nzima ya.bacteria ibadilike (kuwa resistant), not any time soon

Unaona sasa...? Yaani hiyo theory ya evolution inajificha nyuma ya kauli kama "not any time soon" na zingine kama hizo!

That's why it's not conclusively testable.

 

[housegirl]

The non resistant bacterias evolve into resistant bacterias.., overtime through natural selection the non resistant ones disappear and we remain with the resistant ones.., that's why human kind will always continue to fight with the disease..[/quote)

What? So bacteria just evolves into another type of bacteria? From non-resistant to resistant?



I thought we are talking about evolution and not revolution.....



See, that's where the obfuscation begins that renders the theory falsifiable. It's not testable.

for how long has bacteria been on earth? how much have they changed?

how much adaptive are they? they eat EVERYTHING hadi chuma! they can survive waaay more radiation than you can even guese. some live above boiling point and some waaaay beloe freezing point. wanazaa mnooo. how do you expect them to change so quickly! the environment was perfect for them untill you showed up Nyani Ngabu

your conclusion is based on wrong premises

have you tried birds and plants?

 

[housegirl]

Unaona sasa...? Yaani hiyo theory ya evolution inajificha nyuma ya kauli kama "not any time soon" na zingine kama hizo!

That's why it's not conclusively testable.

on wrong premises. what about ypu try checking populations with less subjects?

 

[housegirl]

Ahlan wa sahlan!



Hmm...okay.



I wouldn't call it evolution. That's like me going to the gym each day to workout to develop my muscles. Eventually they'll get bigger, stronger, and endurable to resistance (weight resistance, that is).

Now, would you call that evolution?

how can we know what they will change in to???? the reason they changed in the first place is because their environment changed.

Yes, and that's called adaptation, not evolution. They just got used to dealing the antibiotic and now it no longer bothers them.



Sounds like there are plenty of unknowns....



How so?



Like what has to change?

kwani ukienda ukajipinda ukapata six packs na mtoto wako atazaliwa na six packs?

bacteria wamekuwa resistant wakazaa watoto resistant.

your question is wrong because you are asking evolution to " prove" the future. they will change when the environment changes. kama hao resistant wakipata dawa wakawa resistant tena, that could lead to the formation of more structures/organs. kama nilivyosema wanaweza wakawa na membranes tatu badala ya mbili. au membrane ya nje inaweza ikawa ngumu, wataendelea kuwa wakubwa hadi kuwa plant-like! HUWEZI JUA. acha tuobserve.

tatizo sijasoma evolution from unicellular to multicellar so nisikudanganye!

au ikatokea ice age tena hapa wote tukafa wakabaki bacteria pekeake life ikaanza upya lol

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

for how long has bacteria been on earth? how much have they changed?

I don't know. Do you know?

how much adaptive are they? they eat EVERYTHING hadi chuma! they can survive waaay more radiation than you can even guese. some live above boiling point and some waaaay beloe freezing point. wanazaa mnooo. how do you expect them to change so quickly! the environment was perfect for them untill you showed up Nyani Ngabu

Hahahaaa you got jokes.

And what do you I expect them to change so quickly?

Can you give me a of when they are expected to evolve into something else, please?

your conclusion is based on wrong premises

How so? Please, precisely delineate.

have you tried birds and plants?

Tried them in what/ which way?

 

[Mukulu wa Bakulu]

First of all Apes and Humans are the same species..., and as I said before bacterias within days they can go into multiple generations..., yaani wewe kizazi chako chote unachokifahamu kwa bacterias kinaweza kuchukua dakika.., sasa unapotaka wewe uone a single celled organisms ana-evolve into multicellular organisms within your lifetime is beyond belief and hard to comprehend...

Anyway be it you believe that humans evolved from apes or not does not disqualify that what happen in bacterias is evolution unless you want to change its definition..

Humans and apes are same species?! housegirl do you see that.

Let me watch the show!

 

[Tiger]

Pole sana kijana kwa kuendelea kuogopa kujibu maswali. Who started non theism and what is the foundation of same?

No one invented it, no one owns it either.

 

[Mtangoo]

Mkuu be careful not to mix faith, proof and evidence... By the way what is evidence, and what is to evolve ?

And does the following not indicate that evolution has taken place ?

• universal genetic code
• fossils
• Genetics Commonalities
• Common traits in embryos
• Bacteria resistance to anti biotics

Therefore if you are here to preach or to talk about faith.., that's okay.., but don't try to sugar coat faith into factual or scientifically issue

Do you volunteer to publicly debate me? I will be happy to deal with all of your stuffs...on public debate: face-off!

 

[Mtangoo]

For the case of the Judeo Christian/Islamic personal godhead (or any that is omnipotent and omnibenevolent) I shall endeavor to engage anybody publicly if and only if the problem of evil is addressed squarely and logically.

At least then I will know that this person has wrestled with the classic arguments and logic enough to warrant a debate.

Until then, I am logically predisposed to not take seriously any offer of a public debate, as there is no guarantee that it will not be an exercise in futility with a two bit theist who cannot even explain the godhead he/she believes in in a logically consistent way.

Case in point, the present thread seems to link directly atheism with evolution while atheism was a logically sound system thousands of years before evolution became fashionable and scientifically acceptable.

Why should I waste my time with such an uninformed person?

Cc Nyani Ngabu , housegirl

Running with style? Anyway am still waiting to see if anyone will volunteer to debate me, face-off on the public!

 

[Mtangoo]

Finally someone who knows something about evolution!!!

This man who dares to call on a debate about evolution is not aware of the numerous ways in which new DNA is formed!

This same man has been challenging evolution by asking for "missing links".

The people in here who are against evolution, know nothing about evolution. Bacteria resistence to antibiotics means nothing to them. Phenotypical Changes in organisms like birds means nothing to them.

They dont even know what evolution is!!! Wanataka kesho nyani azae mtoto ambaye hana mkia ndo waelewe evolution!!!

Do they even know what made scientists conclude evolution!!

You Stefano Mtangoo of all people in here shouldnt be confidently asking for a debate on evolution.....for now....labda uje baada ya mwaka mmoja.....

And as many have pointed out, you linking atheism with evolution shows you are not ready for a debate. Dont you know of any Christian evolutionists?

#bye thread.

Another running with style. Come and debate me then let the people decide.