Call to Public Debate- Any Brave Atheist or Atheists

Call to Public Debate- Any Brave Atheist or Atheists


Another common misconception. The argument that there has never been enough time for evolution is wrong, because for the billions of years being referred here, evolution has allowed species to evolve into multiple other species at the same time because every species had a population base evolving differently over generations. Mind you, life started in the primordial soup with simple life forms. These life forms evolved differently and eventually all the speciation. Do the maths.
 
That means you will comprehend when I say the integral of 1/x dx is Natural Log x + c, now show me why do we have constant?

I would then ask you to differentiate the result with respect to x and show me where the constant goes? We are not debating pure mathematics here, are we?
 
Let me tell you this

Unaongea kama vile mwaka na saa ni kitu halisi ambacho kinaweza kuonekana na kushikika

Unapozungumzia haya mambo unatakiwa ujue tu kuwa haya yote sio mambo "halisi' kama unavyotaka kuyaongelea hapa ni imagination tu

Huna uwezoi wa kuthibitisha mwezi achilia mbali mwaka na ukawepo kama vile nyie wanasayansi mnavyowaambia wale ambao wanabudu Mungu wafanye

Mnataka Mungu aonekane na apimike kwenye maabara huku mkiwa na imani zenu ambazo nazo sio real kama mnavyodai

Inaonekana binadamu hawezi na hatoweza kuishi bila imani ....!!

Oh really? You will say the same for units of length, sound, weight etc? Did you learn and apply any Physics in your life?
 
I still don't get this argument of "an observer of a billion years or so". For the sake of science, I suggest we all try and comprehend how these periods of times are being measured, and how the various findings are being placed on the timeline. Not that someone was there during those years, but rather someone can actually go back there in time through historical evidence and dating techniques.

Sounds like pure fantasy! Eti go back in time through historical evidence and dating techniques. Are those techniques foolproof?

These methods have been able to answer many questions, raise many new ones and while doing so, continued to support the theories of evolution in many ways. For example, human species dispersal across the continents today can be compared and contrasted with historical evidence gathered around the same areas and across all areas that were once connected land masses. One can trace back the origins of aborigines by studying their current whereabouts and looking at similarities to the genetic code (current and fossil records) of the closely related black-skinned Indians of southern states of India and comparing them to closely related black South Africans and the fossil records around the same regions.

No, they haven't been able to answer the many questions. They have just attempted to answer the many questions.

In the ongoing evolution debates, early humans are believed to have started in Africa and spread around the World,

Are 'believed' by whom? Scientists?

evolving into the races we see today. In fact, a number of research has been done over the years to confirm this. One of them is about the aborigines I mentioned earlier. Read about it here: DNA confirms Aboriginal Australian origins - Cosmos Magazine

We want ironclad proof/ evidence that humans evolved from apes. What we have now are just (scientific) assumptions.
 
Another common misconception. The argument that there has never been enough time for evolution is wrong, because for the billions of years being referred here

How many billions of years are we talking about? 10 billion? 50 billion? 300 billion?
 
How many billions of years are we talking about? 10 billion? 50 billion? 300 billion?

We are talking about 4 billion years. See the timeline below.

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kwahiyo kwasababu huelewi kitu unaweka probability that its false? one cannot fathom "10million years" so it must be false!

Huh? Hapo sijui hata umeandika nini kwa kweli!

okay....at these typa edges, the debate ends...

Hahaaa now this is complete gobbledygook!

was nice talking to you though..no foul language...follows through...etc

Are you okay?
 
We are talking about 4 billion years. See the timeline below.

Life on Earth

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Life

Photosynthesis

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Land plants

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Mammals

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Axis scale: millions of years ago.

4 billion years from when?
 
I would then ask you to differentiate the result with respect to x and show me where the constant goes? We are not debating pure mathematics here, are we?
uki differentiate constant unapata zero ndio Calculus hiyo...
 
death is simply the cessation of all biological activities that sustain a living organism.[SUP][/SUP] Bodies of living organisms begin to decompose shortly after death. ( there is no going to a mysterious house where you live forever buddy )

try this link pal # Tuangoma

Death - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You repeated the same thing!
Telling me .......bla bla bla..... after death. Is NOT a definition of DEATH!

If Death is NOT a part of believe then Define it for me!

And try something better, Not wikipedia Pal.
 
4 billion years from when?

4 billion years from the time life started on Earth to now. So far, things are a bit hazy beyond one billion years. The existing supporting evidence is a bit inconclusive for the lower species you see on this diagram, hence time is more speculative when we go beyond a billion years.

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I am yet to see anyone objectively responding to the problem of evil.
 
No no no. Unaona sasa...wewe tatizo lako sijui nini tu. Husomi vitu kwa ukamilifu wake. Kwa sababu kama umenisoma kikamilifu kwenye moja ya hizo replies zangu nimesema wazi kabisa kuwa sayansi naikubali sana lakini haina majibu ya kila kitu na mojawapo ya vitu ambavyo haina majibu ya kushawishi na kuridhisha ni kwenye hiyo nadharia ya evolution.

Sasa wewe kuniuliza mimi kama naipuuza sayansi kwa sababu ya makisio ni ama unasahau vitu upesi au usomi vitu kwa ukamilifu wake.

I guese I DID misinterprete what you said.

but its what i picked up throught the course of our arguments.

you didnt have a valid reason to disprove evolution (you said its not observable or testable, which is not true) but you came with the argument that "million years" is incomprehensible, hence false, without even telling me if you're aware of the dating methods.

so i asked you about astromers' "light years" and you.said,

" If it's an actual
measurement I'd like to know how
they got it. If it's an approximation
I'll accept it without further
questions!"

what did that mean? that you accept the 38trillion kilometres are fairly correct measurements? what about 38million years then?
 
I first heard of George Carlin when watching one of the Zeitgeist documentaries. Below is a transcript of one of his stand-ups on religion. I am pasting it as it is.


When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!

But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is ----ed up.

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man.

No woman could or would ever ---- things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit. Doesn't give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results.

So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a shit, I decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on.

And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.

Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite.

I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And it's no way to treat a friend.

But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know, your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to ---- that hot little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan?

Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and ---- up Your Plan?

And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the ---- bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing.

So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said, I don't pray to the sun. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons: First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me, that counts. Second, he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't ---- around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with.

For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that cocksucker out with one visit. It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat.

So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed something. I noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's foot, same as the Mojo Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50. So just pick your superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself.

And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and literary qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you. You might want to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one. Has a nice happy ending, I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was.

In fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You!

(Copyright 1999 by George Carlin. Printed without permission.)


Source: George Carlin On Religion

You can also watch it here:

 
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Una ubongo wa ajabu sana

I didn't say it's a belief,i asked you kama una uhakika

Let me re-write my question;

Are you sure or you just believe?

Haya jibu sasa ....!!

I'm always awed by the way you doubt people's intelligence in here! You never leave a thread without claiming how intellectually superior you are!! SMH!

if you were followimg the the thread, you shouldnt be asking that question!! How many times has it been said here that organisms change when the environment changes? How many times?

Kisha unaniuliza if I'm sure!!! Ulitaka niseme "I am guessing"?

If you doubt people arguments on scientific facts like genetics you can simply look it up yourself from a trustworthy source
 
whizkid George Carlin was a very intelligent very funny and great man. Always should he be remembered in history
 
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I would then ask you to differentiate the result with respect to x and show me where the constant goes? We are not debating pure mathematics here, are we?
Unaanza yale yale ya darwinic syndrome. Tell me, why do we have constant na imetokea wapi. Usijaribu kukimbia bana. Wewe si umedai kuwa ni scientist?
 
Do you have any proof of time?

Can you show me?

time is synonymous with space. for as long as information travels with less than the speed of light, objects in spacetime are limited in the way they interact with eachother SO TIME IS the measurement of the interevals/sequence of events!
 
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