Chrysalis: Safari ya Miaka 400 Kwenda Angani

[Alperado_xanty]

Hiyo ni idea ambayo nimeiona kwenye movie ila siikumbuki jina.

yah hii inaonekana kwenye interstellar ila wao wanaamini time on earth na on space ni tofauti in terms of relativity so unaweza kuta hiyo miaka kwa hao kwenye hiyo space ship ikawa ndogo kabisa kama wakienda nearly the speed of light kitu ambacho hakiwezekani😂😂
anyways ni nadharia tu za movies hizo sidhani kama zina uhai

 

[pandagichiza]

Hizi ni dhana za kufikirika tu bado, kwa sasa hakuna teknolojia ya kupata nishati ya kufika huko kwa miaka 400.

Chombo kama Voyager 1 kimeondoka duniani takriban miaka 50 iliyopita, na bado hakijafikisha hata 1 light day, nafikiri kitafikisha 1 light day baadaye mwaka huu, November kama sikosei.

Sasa kama 1 light day imechukua roughly miaka 50, 1 light year itachujua miaka mingapi?

Fanya hesabu 60 × 366. Roughly.

That is 18,300 years by using Voyager 1 as an example.

Maana yake hata ukiongeza ufanisi na speed mara 10 zaidi ya Voyager 1, you are talking about 1830 years.

Hata mambo yanayofanyika sasa hivi miaka 400 iliyopita ilikuwa impossibility

 

[Kiranga]

Hata mambo yanayofanyika sasa hivi miaka 400 iliyopita ilikuwa impossibility

Na kuna mambo yalifikiriwa miaka 400 iliyopita ambayo sasa hivi bado ni impossible na hayatakuja kuwezekana.

Kwa hiyo si kila jambo linaloweza kufikirika litawezekana baada ya muda tu.

Kuna mambo hayawezekani kwa sababu yanapingana na kanuni za msingi za fizikia.

So what is your point?

Unajuaje tofauti ya hili linahitaji muda tu litawezekana na hili halitawezekana kabisa kwa sababu linapingana sana na kanuni za msingi za fizikia?

Unajuaje hapa hii fikra ni ya kusema kitu kitawezekana tu kichawi si kisayansi, na hii ni fukra ya kitu kitawezekana kisayansi?

Maana hata mtu mwenye fikra za kichawi, zisizo za kisayansi, anaweza kusema hili na hili litawezekana.

 

[pandagichiza]

Na kuna mambo yalifikiriwa miaka 400 iliyopita ambayo sasa hivi bado ni impossible na hayatakuja kuwezekana.

Kwa hiyo si kila jambo linaloweza kufikirika litawezekana baada ya muda tu.

Kuna mambo hayawezekani kwa sababu yanapingana na kanuni za msingi za fizikia.

So what is your point?

Unajuaje tofauti ya hili linahitaji muda tu litawezekana na hili halitawezekana kabisa kwa sababu linapingana sana na kanuni za msingi za fizikia?

Unajuaje hapa hii fikra ni ya kusema kitu kitawezekana tu kichawi si kisayansi, na hii ni fukra ya kitu kitawezekana kisayansi?

Maana hata mtu mwenye fikra za kichawi, zisizo za kisayansi, anaweza kusema hili na hili litawezekana.

Hata kanuni za msingi za sasa miaka 500 ijayo zinaweza kuwa proved wrong

 

[Kubwjing]

Movie story

 

[Kiranga]

Hata kanuni za msingi za sasa miaka 500 ijayo zinaweza kuwa proved wrong

Naam,

Na nyingine zinaweza kuwa proved kuwa hazitakuwa wrong.

Kwa hiyo, bado unazunguka palepale hujanibu swali la msingi.

Hiyo hoja yako haina uzito bado unazunguka mbuyu palepale.

Sasa unaposema hili litakuwa hivi, unajuaje hiyo habari yako itakuwa kweli hivyo na si fantasy tu?

Mfano mtu anaposema tutaweza kuwa na time travel ya kurudi nyuma katika muda, tutajuaje hilo jambo litawezekana kweli na si fantasy tu ambayo inapingana na sheria za fizikia kama za Einstein's Relativity zinazosema hakuna kitu chenye uzito kitakachoweza kurudi nyuma katika muda kwa sababu hakitaweza kuzidi spidi ya mwanga au ku manipulate spacetime/wormholes successfully?

Hujajibu swali, unapiga chenga kwa hoja ya "hatujui mambo yatakuwaje huko mbele, pengine itawezekana".

Well, kama hatujui mambo yatakuwaje huko mbele, basi pia hatujui kuwa unalosema litawezekana litawezekana.

Sasa unajuaje litawezekana?

 

[LiFe 2-point-0]

Hizi ni dhana za kufikirika tu bado, kwa sasa hakuna teknolojia ya kupata nishati ya kufika huko kwa miaka 400.

Chombo kama Voyager 1 kimeondoka duniani takriban miaka 50 iliyopita, na bado hakijafikisha hata 1 light day, nafikiri kitafikisha 1 light day baadaye mwaka huu, November kama sikosei.

Sasa kama 1 light day imechukua roughly miaka 50, 1 light year itachujua miaka mingapi?

Fanya hesabu 60 × 366. Roughly.

That is 18,300 years by using Voyager 1 as an example.

Maana yake hata ukiongeza ufanisi na speed mara 10 zaidi ya Voyager 1, you are talking about 1830 years.

Kama wame manage ku zalisha nishati ya over 50 years kwa Voyeger 1 kipi kinafanya ufikiri haiwezekani kuzalisha nishati ya 400 years??

 

[Kiranga]

Movie story

Ukitoka kwenye utamaduni zinaoamini uchawi uchawi, unakuwa na kasumba ya kufikiri lolote linawezekana.

Na Africa tuna kasumba hizi za kupenda nguvu za kichawi, hususan kwa sababu tumechelewa sana kupata maendeleo ya kisayansi, lakini kiukweli dunia nzima ndiyo kwanza tunaamka kutoka dunia ya uchawi na kuanza dunia ya sayansi proper. Proper science is barely 500 years old. Kwa hiyo hili tatizo pengine lipo sana kwetu, lakini lipo dunia nzima.

Kufanya suala liwe gumu zaidi, kufikiria hivyo (inavyoonekana kichawichawi) ni sehemu ya scientific development, ni sehemu ya "Hegelian dialectic" za kisayansi za thesis, antithesis, synthesis.

Lakini swali muhimu ni, je, tunajuaje hapa tuna aspirations za kufanya vitu kisayansi, vitu vitakavyowezekana, na hapa ni kufikiri kichawichawi tu haya mambo hayawezekani kwa sababu yanapingana na kanuni za msingi kabisa za sayansi?

Yani kufikiri na kutenganisha kwamba kuna mambo yanawezekana ila hatujayajua vizuri tu kuweza kuyafanya, na kuna mambo hayawezekani kabisa kwa sababu kanuni za msingi za ulimwengu haziyakubali, inakuwa kazi ngumu sana.

Utamaduni wa kuamini uchawi unatufanya tusiweze kutenganisha sayansi na fantasy za kichawi.

Na hili jambo kulielewa na kulikubali ni vigumu sana. Watu tuna ubishi fulani hivi wa "anything is possible" katika dunia ambaho some things are impossible.

Ndiyo maana muandishi wa Science Fiction Arthur C. Clarke alisema "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".

Sasa hawa wanaosema hili litawezekana wanajuaje kuwa wanasema hivyo kwa kukaa katika misingi ya kisayansi na kuongelea vitu ambavyo vitawezekana kweli, na hawasemi kwa misingi ya fantasy za kichawi mambo ambayo yanapingana na kanuni za msingi za kisayansi ambayo hayatawezekana kabisa?

If you are pursuing a theory or technology, how do you know it is possible at all, and it is not a dead end of impossible farcical fantasies?

 

[Zerock]

Hakuna ushahidi wa binadamu aliyewahi kuishi angalau miaka 200, sasa hiyo safari si watafika wamekufa wote?

Watu waliishi miaka buku .... Wew unawaza 200

 

[mjingamimi]

Siku Moja Kwa Mungu ni miaka elfu 1 ya duniani.

 

[Kiranga]

Kama wame manage ku zalisha nishati ya over 50 years kwa Voyeger 1 kipi kinafanya ufikiri haiwezekani kuzalisha nishati ya 400 years??

Umelinganisha

1. Ukubwa wa Voyager na ukubwa wa Chrysalis?

2. Umbali ambao Voyager imefikia kulinganisha na umbaki wa Alpha Centauri system? Unajua Voyages is juat reaching a light day katika miaka 50 na Alpha Centauri is about 4.3 light years huko. Yani unalinganishaje hapo?

3. Energy itakayohitajika kuipeleka spaceship ya uzito wa Chrysalis at approximateky 1.1% of lights speed. Umeligikiria hili?

4. Vikwazo vingine vya interstellar travel kama kui shield hiyo Chrysalis na particles ambazo at that speed kipande kidogo tu kikikugonga ni mlipuko kama wa nuclear, unaelewa hili?

5. Shielding itakavyoongeza uzito, ambao utaongeza energy inayotakiwa, ambayo itaongeza uzito, endless loop. Unaelewa hiki tatizo?

6. Hiyo itakuwa generational ship, mambo ya watu kujaa sehemu moja na kizaliana hao hao, genetic inbreeding issues, psychology, unaelewa hiki tatizo? Ili upunguze genetic inbreeding utahitaji kuanza na watu wengi zaidi, na kuanza na watu wengi zaidi kunaturudisha kwenye kuongeza uzito na kuhitaji guel zaidi, unaona loop hapo?

7. Cosmic rays /Radiation issues at 400 times what we have on earth. Back to shielding and all the shielding issues from 6 above.

8. Microgravify and gravity related issues, bone loss, biological issues, 400 years will surely raise unknown biological issues. Unefikiria hili?


9. 400 years is a long time for such a compkex spaceship. How do you repair broken systems in the middle of that journey? Carrying replacements will require more energy. Not carrying will risk the whole mission. Have uou thought about that?

10. Stopping and landing will require so much energy because of deceleration. You don't just press on the brakes.

Matatizo mengi sana ambayo inabidi uya address yote kabla ya kusema tu "itawezekana" au "watu wanafanyia kazi".

 

[coscated]

Mambo ni mengi, huko angani mafuta watakuwa wanajazia wapi? Au ni solar powered?

 

[LiFe 2-point-0]

Umelinganisha

1. Ukubwa wa Voyager na ukubwa wa Chrysalis?

2. Umbali ambao Voyager imefikia kulinganisha na umbaki wa Alpha Centauri system? Unajua Voyages is juat reaching a light day katika miaka 50 na Alpha Centauri is about 4.3 light years huko. Yani unalinganishaje hapo?

3. Energy itakayohitajika kuipeleka spaceship ya uzito wa Chrysalis at approximateky 1.1% of lights speed. Umeligikiria hili?

4. Vikwazo vingine vya interstellar travel kama kui shield hiyo Chrysalis na particles ambazo at that speed kipande kidogo tu kikikugonga ni mlipuko kama wa nuclear, unaelewa hili?

5. Shielding itakavyoongeza uzito, ambao utaongeza energy inayotakiwa, ambayo itaongeza uzito, endless loop. Unaelewa hiki tatizo?

6. Hiyo itakuwa generational ship, mambo ya watu kujaa sehemu moja na kizaliana hao hao, genetic inbreeding issues, psychology, unaelewa hiki tatizo? Ili upunguze genetic inbreeding utahitaji kuanza na watu wengi zaidi, na kuanza na watu wengi zaidi kunaturudisha kwenye kuongeza uzito na kuhitaji guel zaidi, unaona loop hapo?

7. Cosmic rays /Radiation issues at 400 times what we have on earth. Back to shielding and all the shielding issues from 6 above.

8. Microgravify and gravity related issues, bone loss, biological issues, 400 years will surely raise unknown biological issues. Unefikiria hili?


9. 400 years is a long time for such a compkex spaceship. How do you repair broken systems in the middle of that journey? Carrying replacements will require more energy. Not carrying will risk the whole mission. Have uou thought about that?

10. Stopping and landing will require so much energy because of deceleration. You don't just press on the brakes.

Matatizo mengi sana ambayo inabidi uya address yote kabla ya kusema tu "itawezekana" au "watu wanafanyia kazi".

Sawa chief, nimekuelewa vyema sana.
Japo still naona bado inawezekana tu. Hakuna kinachoshindikana. Kama wameweza mengine hata hili pia posiible, inaweza tu ikachukua muda mrefu ila si kama haiwezekani

 

[Kiranga]

Sawa chief, nimekuelewa vyema sana.
Japo still naona bado inawezekana tu. Hakuna kinachoshindikana. Kama wameweza mengine hata hili pia posiible, inaweza tu ikachukua muda mrefu ila si kama haiwezekani

Hii hoja ya "hakuna kinachoshindikana" si ya kisayansi.

Ni ya fantasy ya kichawi.

Unajuaje hakuna kinachoshindikana?

Katika Euclidean geometry unaweza kuwa na duara ambalo hapo hapo kwa muda huo huo ni pembetatu? Hilo nalo halishindikani?

 

[Faana]

HABARI MPYA🚨: Wahandisi wamependekeza chombo kikubwa cha angani chenye urefu wa maili 36 kinachoitwa 'Chrysalis'. Chombo hiki kinaweza kubeba watu 2,400 kwenda sayari ya Alpha Centauri, ambayo ipo umbali wa miaka ya mwanga 4 (yaani 4 light years) kutoka hapa kwetu. Safari hii ni ya kwenda tu na itachukua miaka 400!
Watu watakaopanda chombo hicho hawataiona tena Dunia maishani mwao. Hata watoto wao na wajukuu zao hawatakuwa na nafasi hiyo.

Vipi je ungependa kuwa mmoja wa abiria?
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[LiFe 2-point-0]

Hii hoja ya "hakuna kinachoshindikana" si ya kisayansi.

Ni ya fantasy ya kichawi.

Unajuaje hakuna kinachoshindikana?

AHahaha.
Sawa chief. Ila as far as speceships matter is concerned, nothing is impossible kuja kupeleka hiyo chombo na hao watu for 400 years.

 

[Matawi ya juu]

Kwanza kabisa hesabu za kusafiri kwa 10% ya spidi ya umeme hazikufikishi huko Alpha Centauri in 400 years, check your math.

Pili, ukiondoka kwenye fantasy, maana hata science fiction inatakiwa kuwa na a feasible technology, unajua teknolojia gani itatumika?

Unajua mass ya hicho chombo?

Unajua kuwa by relativity speed ikiongezeka, mass nayo inaongezeka?

Umeshapiga hesabu za mass kuongezeka na energy itakayohitajika kutokana na si mass at rest tu, bali pia mass kuongezeka kutokana na relativistic effects?

Unajua kuwa at relativistic speeds, ukikutana na projectile ndogo tu italipua spaceship kama a nuclear bomb?

Utaikinga vipi hiyo spaceship? Utaikinga na shiled gani wakati kila shield itaongeza uzito na kila uzito unaoongezeka utahitaji energy zaidi kuusafirisha?

What about radiation, utawakinga vipi hao watu na radiation?

Usijibu "wanasayansi wanafanyia kazi" tu.

Once you re in deep space, energy and speed si tatizo tena,gravity will do the pushing,challenge ni human survival radiation, extreme forces, freezing temperatures na chakula cha miaka mingi, labda robots,humans? no bado ni science fiction

 

[Kiranga]

AHahaha.
Sawa chief. Ila as far as speceships matter is concerned, nothing is impossible kuja kupeleka hiyo chombo na hao watu for 400 years.

Ukisema nothing is impossible unatakiwa kupangua hayo matatizo yote moja baada ya jingine, at least in theory, kisayansi, ikiwezekana in practice.

Hapo ndipo unaonesha this is possible.

Siyo unasema nothing is impossible kizembezembe kichawichawi tu, hujajibu hata kutatua tatizo moja kati ya kumi niliyoandika.

Yani hata sielewi kama umejibu hivyo baada ya kuyaelewa hayo matatizo, au umejibu tu Kiswahili Swahili tu kama kawaida yetu tuna allergy na details za kisayansi na kukokotoa namba.

Umeshaelewa hata tofauti ya umbali ilipofika Voyager baada ya miaka takriban 50 kulinganisha na umbali wa kufikia Alpha Centauri?

Nothing is impossible inatakiwa kuthibitishwa kisayansi, si kusemwa kiimani tu kama unahubiri dini.

Hiyo nothing is impossible yako mpaka sasa inakuwa ya fantasy ya kichawi tu, si ya kisayansi.

 

[Kiranga]

Once you re in deep space, energy and speed si tatizo tena,gravity will do the pushing,challenge ni human survival radiation, extreme forces, freezing temperatures na chakula cha miaka mingi, labda robots,humans? no bado ni science fiction

Gravity ya nini wakati upo interstellar space?

Umepiga hesabu kuona effects za gravity zitakuwa na ukubwa gani?

Gravity inside the solar system will be helpful for about 2 weeks only, in interstellar space gravity is irrelevant.

Na huko deep space utafika vipi bila ku accelerate kufikia hizo relativistic speeds za significant % of the speed of light zinazotakiwa?

Na ukishafika unapotaka kwenda napo kusimama unaelewa unahitaji energy kubwa tu ku decelerate na kusimama, kwa hiyo hoja yako ya "ukishafika deep space huhitaji energy" si kweli??

 

[King Nkondo]

Watu waliishi miaka buku .... Wew unawaza 200

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