Church fund 'not enough' to right slavery wrongs

[kahtaan]

Kanisa ni baya tusilimu.Umefurahi?

Usilimu au uendelee kuabudu mzungu hio hainihusu .
Hapa tunaeleza UNYAMA ULIOFANYWA NA UNAOENDELEA KUFANYWA NA KANISA.
We kula kitimoto, vaa kimini weekend, jichubue uso uwe ka mzungu. Yote hayo ni maamuzi yako

 

[Necromancer]

Usilimu au uendelee kuabudu mzungu hio hainihusu .
Hapa tunaeleza UNYAMA ULIOFANYWA NA UNAOENDELEA KUFANYWA NA KANISA.
We kula kitimoto, vaa kimini weekend, jichubue uso uwe ka mzungu. Yote hayo ni maamuzi yako

The history of slavery in the Muslim world began with institutions inherited from pre-Islamic Arabia.[1] The practices of keeping slaves in the Muslim world nevertheless developed in radically different ways in different Muslim states based on a range of social-political factors, as well as the more immediate economic and logistical considerations of the Arab slave trade. As a general principle, Islam encouraged the manumission of Muslim slaves as a way of expiating sins,[2] and many early converts to Islam, such as Bilal, were former slaves.[3][4][5][6] However, Islam never banned the practice, and it persisted as an important institution in the Muslim world through to the modern era.

Throughout Muslim history, slaves served in various social and economic roles, from powerful emirs to harshly treated manual laborers. Slaves were widely employed in irrigation, mining, and animal husbandry, but most commonly as soldiers, guards, domestic workers,[7] and concubines (sex slaves).[8] The use of slaves for hard physical labor early on in Muslim history led to several destructive slave revolts,[7] the most notable being the Zanj Rebellion of 869–883, and led to the end of the practice.[9] Many rulers also used slaves in the military and administration to such an extent that slaves could seize power, as did the Mamluks.[7]

Most slaves were imported from outside the Muslim world.[10] Slavery in Islamic law does not have a racial foundation in principle, although this was not always the case in practise.[11] The Arab slave trade was most active in West Asia, North Africa, and Southeast Africa, and rough estimates place the number of Africans enslaved in the twelve centuries prior to the 20th century at between 4 million to 10 million.[12][13][14][15][16] The Ottoman slave trade came from raids into eastern and central Europe and the Caucasus, while slave traders from the Barbary Coast raided the Mediterranean coasts of Europe and as far afield as the British Isles and Iceland.

In the early 20th century, the authorities in Muslim states gradually outlawed and suppressed slavery, largely due to pressure exerted by Western nations such as Britain and France.[17] Slavery in the Ottoman Empire was abolished in 1924 when the new Turkish Constitution disbanded the Imperial Harem and made the last concubines and eunuchs free citizens of the newly proclaimed republic.[18]

Slavery in Iran was abolished in 1929. In the Persian Gulf, Saudi Arabia and Yemen abolished it in 1962,[19] while Oman followed in 1970. Mauritania became the last state to abolish slavery, in 1981. In 1990 the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam declared that "no one has the right to enslave" another human being.[20] As of 2001, however, instances of modern slavery persisted in areas of the Sahel,[21][22] and several 21st-century terroristic jihadist groups have attempted to use historic slavery in the Muslim world as a pretext for reviving slavery in the 21st century.

Scholars point to the various difficulties in studying this amorphous phenomenon which occurs over a large geographic region (between East Africa and the Near East), a lengthy period of history (from the seventh century to the present day), and which only received greater attention after the abolition of the Atlantic slave trade.[23][24][25][26] The terms "Arab slave trade" and "Islamic slave trade" (and other similar terms) are invariably used to refer to this phenomenon.

 

[Necromancer]

Usilimu au uendelee kuabudu mzungu hio hainihusu .
Hapa tunaeleza UNYAMA ULIOFANYWA NA UNAOENDELEA KUFANYWA NA KANISA.
We kula kitimoto, vaa kimini weekend, jichubue uso uwe ka mzungu. Yote hayo ni maamuzi yako

Ujuaji mwiiingi kutaka kuwaexempt waarabu na utumwa wakati hata mtume.wenu nabii wa mchongo alimiliki.watumwa

 

[kahtaan]

The arab slave trade was characterized by appalling violence, castration, and rape. The men were systematically castrated to prevent them from reproducing and becoming a stock. This inhumane practice resulted in a high death rate: six out of 10 people who were mutilated died from their wounds in castration centers.

Don't waste your time writing poems here. WE ARE in 2024.
Bring hard evidence for your claims otherwise you can join bongoflava and sing.

 

[kahtaan]

Ujuaji mwiiingi kutaka kuwaexempt waarabu na utumwa wakati hata mtume.wenu nabii wa mchongo alimiliki.watumwa

Teh teh teh
Mipasho ya nini ? Kama una ushahidi weka mezani tupate faida. Na tuwashtaki waarabu kama tulivyoshtaki KANISA.

Mistari ya taarab na mchiriku hapa sio mahala pake.
Kuna jukwaa la mipasho. Peleka mipasho huko

 

[kahtaan]

The history of slavery in the Muslim world began with institutions inherited from pre-Islamic Arabia.[1] The practices of keeping slaves in the Muslim world nevertheless developed in radically different ways in different Muslim states based on a range of social-political factors, as well as the more immediate economic and logistical considerations of the Arab slave trade. As a general principle, Islam encouraged the manumission of Muslim slaves as a way of expiating sins,[2] and many early converts to Islam, such as Bilal, were former slaves.[3][4][5][6] However, Islam never banned the practice, and it persisted as an important institution in the Muslim world through to the modern era.

Throughout Muslim history, slaves served in various social and economic roles, from powerful emirs to harshly treated manual laborers. Slaves were widely employed in irrigation, mining, and animal husbandry, but most commonly as soldiers, guards, domestic workers,[7] and concubines (sex slaves).[8] The use of slaves for hard physical labor early on in Muslim history led to several destructive slave revolts,[7] the most notable being the Zanj Rebellion of 869–883, and led to the end of the practice.[9] Many rulers also used slaves in the military and administration to such an extent that slaves could seize power, as did the Mamluks.[7]

Most slaves were imported from outside the Muslim world.[10] Slavery in Islamic law does not have a racial foundation in principle, although this was not always the case in practise.[11] The Arab slave trade was most active in West Asia, North Africa, and Southeast Africa, and rough estimates place the number of Africans enslaved in the twelve centuries prior to the 20th century at between 4 million to 10 million.[12][13][14][15][16] The Ottoman slave trade came from raids into eastern and central Europe and the Caucasus, while slave traders from the Barbary Coast raided the Mediterranean coasts of Europe and as far afield as the British Isles and Iceland.

In the early 20th century, the authorities in Muslim states gradually outlawed and suppressed slavery, largely due to pressure exerted by Western nations such as Britain and France.[17] Slavery in the Ottoman Empire was abolished in 1924 when the new Turkish Constitution disbanded the Imperial Harem and made the last concubines and eunuchs free citizens of the newly proclaimed republic.[18]

Slavery in Iran was abolished in 1929. In the Persian Gulf, Saudi Arabia and Yemen abolished it in 1962,[19] while Oman followed in 1970. Mauritania became the last state to abolish slavery, in 1981. In 1990 the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam declared that "no one has the right to enslave" another human being.[20] As of 2001, however, instances of modern slavery persisted in areas of the Sahel,[21][22] and several 21st-century terroristic jihadist groups have attempted to use historic slavery in the Muslim world as a pretext for reviving slavery in the 21st century.

Scholars point to the various difficulties in studying this amorphous phenomenon which occurs over a large geographic region (between East Africa and the Near East), a lengthy period of history (from the seventh century to the present day), and which only received greater attention after the abolition of the Atlantic slave trade.[23][24][25][26] The terms "Arab slave trade" and "Islamic slave trade" (and other similar terms) are invariably used to refer to this phenomenon.

All this garbage was written by WHITEMAN SLAVE MASTER to blind you and me from the True historical facts.

I ask you for EVIDENCE you gave me the words of Devil who USE CHURCH to spill blood of our people .
Shame on us to trust white devil

 

[Smart911]

Inasikitisha sana...


Cc: Mahondaw

 

[kahtaan]

Inaumiza sana aisee...Nina 4years sijaenda church na wala sijilaumu kikubwa simtendei mtu maovu

Hongera sana kuuona ukweli mapema.
Wengine wamekuwa vipofu wa akili. Wanadanganywa mpk leo.
Yesu mzungu.
Maria mzungu.
Malaika wazungu
Kila kizuri cha mzungu.
White Christmas
Halafu shetani mweusi.
Na kila kibaya ni cheusi.
Black Market.
Black magic.
Black list.
Mzungu kwa kutumia kanisa kausomesha ulimwengu kuwa kila kibaya kina asili ya Sisi weusi. Na kila kizuri kinatoka kwao .

 

[kahtaan]

Hata kama ni kweli, yote hayo ni irrelevant. Swali ni vipi wewe utanufaika na hiyo investment fund hadi uone hii ni habari muhimu sana kwako binafsi.

Sio issue ya kusema "hata kama ni kweli " HUU NI UKWELI WA ASILIMIA 💯 Ndio MAANA KANISA LA UINGEREZA WAMESHINDWA KUJITETEA na KUAMUA KULIPA FIDIA YA MABILIONI YA PESA KWA WAHANGA WA BIASHARA HIO HARAM YA UTUMWA

 

[Necromancer]

Don't waste your time writing poems here. WE ARE in 2024.
Bring hard evidence for your claims otherwise you can join bongoflava and sing.

Hard evidence niwafufue waarabu akina tip tip?Achana na propaganda za kiislam za kuwasafisha waarabu na uchafu wao.Hard evidence unazozitaka ziko Kilwa,ziko Zanzibar,ziko Tabora na kila sehemu aliyopita mwarabu.Historia inakuhukumu.Bilal hakuwa mtumwa?Hakuwa mweusi?Wazungi ndo walimpeleka Arabian peninsula.Wacha ujuaji ww bado ni empty set tuu

 

[Necromancer]

All this garbage was written by WHITEMAN SLAVE MASTER to blind you and me from the True historical facts.

I ask you for EVIDENCE you gave me the words of Devil who USE CHURCH to spill blood of our people .
Shame on us to trust white devil

Kajifunze kiingereza wewe.Unajivunia lugha ya makafiri kutaka kuprove umesoma.Hard evidence ipi unataka zaidi ya historical facts.Mtume wako hakuwa na watumwa?Aliletewa na wazungu?Mwarabu kwenye utumwa hasafishiki

 

[Shotocan]

Sio issue ya kusema "hata kama ni kweli " HUU NI UKWELI WA ASILIMIA 💯 Ndio MAANA KANISA LA UINGEREZA WAMESHINDWA KUJITETEA na KUAMUA KULIPA FIDIA YA MABILIONI YA PESA KWA WAHANGA WA BIASHARA HIO HARAM YA UTUMWA

Wazungu wote waliochukua watumwa ni kweli walifanya vibaya ila walikuwa na utu waliwaacha hai hawakuwaua wala hawaku wa hasi wanaume kama walivyofanya waarabu Ndio maana vizazi vya watumwa waliochukuliwa utumwani ulaya na Marekani bado vipo na wengine walirudishwa baadaye Afrika nchi kibao za Africa kwa hiyo wako hai vizazi vyao kushtaki sababu vipo sababu wao ni Pro life.Ndio maana Marekani wako kizazi cha watumwa Black American wako hai hadi leo

Waarabu walichukua waafrika watumwa milioni 15 hao ni wa kwao tu kwa ajili ya waarabu tu.Wanaume waliwahasi mbegu za kiume ili wasizae na wengine kuwaua walipoona hawana nguvu za kazi tena

Kifupi waarabu walikuwa wauaji waliua kizazi cha watumwa waafrika walioenda kwao tofauti na wazungu.Wazungu washitaki wao wako hai wakati waarabu washtaki wao walifuta ushahidi kwa kuwaua wote milioni 15 walioenda utumwani kwao

Tunashukuru kanisa na wazungu wa ulaya na Marekani kwa kuacha kizazi cha watumwa hai hadi leo hata kinaweza kwenda mahakamani kushtaki

Walaaniwe na Mungu waarabu walioua watumwa walioenda kwao na kuua vizazi vyao wasizaliane watu wwusi
Mungu awalaani waarabu wapigwe na wayahudi hadi wakome

 

[kahtaan]

Hard evidence niwafufue waarabu akina tip tip?Achana na propaganda za kiislam za kuwasafisha waarabu na uchafu wao.Hard evidence unazozitaka ziko Kilwa,ziko Zanzibar,ziko Tabora na kila sehemu aliyopita mwarabu.Historia inakuhukumu.Bilal hakuwa mtumwa?Hakuwa mweusi?Wazungi ndo walimpeleka Arabian peninsula.Wacha ujuaji ww bado ni empty set tuu

Kukosa elimu ni shida.
Unafahamu history ya slavery in Arabian peninsula?
Show me one evidence that people were forced to Slavery on that era. You know very little yet u got the gut to blame Arabs.
Once again Show me hard evidence .

 

[Prof Griff]

Kukosa elimu ni shida.
Unafahamu history ya slavery in Arabian peninsula?
Show me one evidence that people were forced to Slavery on that era. You know very little yet u got the gut to blame Arabs.
Once again Show me hard evidence .

What "hard evidence" are you looking for Sir? Physical evidence like fingerprints? DNA evidence? Video camera clips? There's no such thing as "hard evidence" in historical attempts at proving anything. Much less something that can be posted on this forum for you to see.

 

[Prof Griff]

All this garbage was written by WHITEMAN SLAVE MASTER to blind you and me from the True historical facts.

I ask you for EVIDENCE you gave me the words of Devil who USE CHURCH to spill blood of our people .
Shame on us to trust white devil

A museum is where you need to go for the "evidence". And it may depend whose side of the story the "evidence" claims to support: in your case, a "non-devil" museum would be appropriate, if ever there's one.

 

[Prof Griff]

Sio issue ya kusema "hata kama ni kweli " HUU NI UKWELI WA ASILIMIA 💯 Ndio MAANA KANISA LA UINGEREZA WAMESHINDWA KUJITETEA na KUAMUA KULIPA FIDIA YA MABILIONI YA PESA KWA WAHANGA WA BIASHARA HIO HARAM YA UTUMWA

Kwahiyo? Hao watumwa utakuta wengi walikamatwa kwa nguvu na Waafrika wenzao na kuuzwa kwa Wazungu na Waarabu. Tamaduni za utumwa zilikuwapo kwenye jamii nyingi za kiasili Afrika. Wewe umeshipalia Kanisa La ENZI HIZO. Ukumbuke pia biashara ya utumwa ilikuwa biashara halali kabisa maka hiyo bila kujali imani za kidini Ukristo, Uislamu, dini za asilia za mizimu, nk. Bila ya ushirikiano wa Waafrika wenyewe, Wazungu na Waarabu wasingeweza kusafirisha Watumwa wengi kiasi hicho. Sasa kuna kosa gani Kanisa la zama za sasa kukubali makosa yaliyofanywa na Kanisa enzi hizo kwa kutumia vigezo vya ustaarabu vya wakati huu na kulipa fidia? Huoni kwamba hilo ni jambo jema?

 

[Prof Griff]

Teh teh teh
Mipasho ya nini ? Kama una ushahidi weka mezani tupate faida. Na tuwashtaki waarabu kama tulivyoshtaki KANISA.

Mistari ya taarab na mchiriku hapa sio mahala pake.
Kuna jukwaa la mipasho. Peleka mipasho huko

Tofauti kubwa kati ya Uislamu na Ukristo kwenye hili la biashara ya utumwa ni kwamba Waarabu Waislamu wa enzi hizo (na nadhani hadi leo hii) hawakuwa organized kiimani chini ya Kiongozi/Uongozi wa kidini kama ilivyokwa Wakristo. Kwahiyo ni impossible kuchukua hatua zozote za kisheria sbb hakuna legal entity ya kupeleka lawama kama ilivyo kwa Kanisa. Huo ni mtizamo wangu tu.

 

[kahtaan]

You Don't need to work that hard.
See what they found in regard to Church involvement on slavery.
Now try to bring similar evidence and link those to Arabs.
Mind you some slavery back in the day was an agreement I guess that's news to you.
Keep digging Son. You will be amazed

 

[kahtaan]

What "hard evidence" are you looking for Sir? Physical evidence like fingerprints? DNA evidence? Video camera clips? There's no such thing as "hard evidence" in historical attempts at proving anything. Much less something that can be posted on this forum for you to see.

You Don't need to work that hard.

See what they found in regard to Church involvement on slavery.
Now try to bring similar evidence and link those to Arabs.
Mind you some slavery back in the day was an agreement I guess that's news to you.
Keep digging Son. You will be amazed what's out there.

This is why we beg our fellow Africans to work hard by studying the facts.

 

[Prof Griff]

You Don't need to work that hard.

See what they found in regard to Church involvement on slavery.
Now try to bring similar evidence and link those to Arabs.
Mind you some slavery back in the day was an agreement I guess that's news to you.
Keep digging Son. You will be amazed what's out there.

This is why we beg our fellow Africans to work hard by studying the facts.

It’s a total waste of time trying to reason with someone who is evidently narrow minded and illogical. You want to cherry pick only those things, be they facts, half truths, lies and complete nonsense that appear to support your prejudiced world view. I’m out of here! Ciao!