Commentary Kuhusu Video ya Tundu Lissu Inayosambazwa

Capital · Jul 19, 2017

TL nailed it.. for better for worse! Let the truth be said in a daylight that Magufuli is a tyrant. At least in thinking that he has absolute powers and right to commit anything he so desires.. one thing is certain that he is a failure already in whatever he is doing.

Honestly, his words and deeds make everybody doubtful over where our country is headed to.. To show that this guy is no different from fellow African dictators and thieves, he is diverting national treasures to finance hopeless projects like airport Chato and flying coffins in the name of aircrafts.. more so.. thinking that Tanzania can become economically stable with such liabilities exhibit st:upidity of the highest order in the man.

No grand schools built, no grand irrigation project in the horizon, no grand hospital project.. nothing.. Public servants have for the past two years gone without pay rise meanwhile price inflation has skyrocketted. Yet the man thinks he is doing anything.. hopeless!

He knows what is in the hearts of Tanzanians, and he surely knows what Tanzanians did in the wake of general elections in october 2015. He knows that he and his devilish ccm rigged elections, and he was no match to chadema candidate.. this is the reason why he is not settled.. he is up for mutilation of democracy and free thinking.

Anyway, we are not discouraged.. he is there just temporarily.. he will soon be gone. Tanzania is far greater than that fake phd..

LONG LIVE TUNDU LISSU

Panzi Mchanga said:
Thank Keju for seeing this.

From Lisu statements (which I can call them the last minute statements because there will be no more statements before the great collapse of CHADEMA) signifies a significant shift in opposition policies and specifically CHADEMA; policies intended to create instability in the country and derail development-as an individual and as a nation. Scan around the world; east to west; north to south, religion and tribalism sits at the centre of violence.

Unfortunately for CHADEMA to realise this evil dream, it will take another 100 years, for simple reasons; I am from Kilimanjaro, my wife is from Tanga, my brother married from Kagera, my sister was married in Iringa. My friend a -Muslim- invites me-a Christian-in all Muslim events-good and sad ones; similarly I invite him in all Christian events-good and sad one.

He talked about lake zone (but also he has forgotten that, the initial CHADEMA contestants for EALA were all MEN from the lake zone); but this is not my issue; the issue is,Tanzania has more than 120 tribes and really I do not know where they are located; let alone their language. We may need to have 119 "lake zones" or so when we start to talk about tribalism.

And again "Christian and Muslims" a country with nearly equal proportions! This is coming from a renowned lawyer-a credit which Tundu Lisu does not deserve any more. Where will you put the other side-including those without religion.

In Tanzania, we have history written on the wall already since the multipart started. Parties which used religion and tribalism as their main policies in politics, they never made it.

And how can someone disassociate what is happening in Kibiti and religious statements like those made by CHADEMA

For the government; CHADEMA is bringing political Leprosy to our country. We may not see it now but we should not let our children be affected while we had a chance to contain it.

But also I suspect CHADEMA as a part or an individual, might have done something terribly wrong which is being pursued by the security organs and now a sympathy is being sought from the community. We have to remember also CHADEMA approval rating is 17% as of June 2017 down from 32%- almost half-reason being cannibalization through their statements.

While we need opposition is not CHADEMA at this point unless there is a serious change in their policies. A part that wishes their citizen bad things!

tanga kwetu · Jul 19, 2017

Lissu haeleweki kwa watu wenye moderate and low IQ. Shule anazotoaga ni ngumu sana. Hali ya utengemano kama taifa iko mbaya sana. Tushaanza kuona mifano michache: Spika kasusiwa futari, ubaguzi na manyanyaso wa kichama kwenye msiba wa Lucky Vicent School, msiba wa mke wa Mwakyembe nk nk nk. Hata huku mitaani, chuki za kisisasa ni kubwa sana maana ukiongea chochote kinyume na Rais unakuwa treated as gaidi/mhaini/hayawani nk nk. Utawala unasimika matajiri wake kwa "kuua" matajiri iliowakuta. Wafanyabisahara na watumishi wa umma wote wanaohisiwa pro-opposition wanateswa/wananyanyaswa. Kinachoshangiliwa kama maendeleo wananchi huku mtaani hawakioni. Kwa anayeona mbali kwa macho ya uzalendo, hali sio nzuri. Watu wanaumia kimoyomoyo. Mioyo inawaka moto kwa ndani. Siku wakiamua kuitoa nje hiyo mioto, Bombardier na SGR hazitakuwa na maana. Utawala huu una-treat watu kama vitu-wasihoji, wasiulize wala wasisogee kutoka pale walipo. Nafsi yake inamsuta kwa uchakachuzi alioufanya October 2015 ndio anaogopa hata kivuli cha mamvi. kama haogopi aache watu wafanye siasa freely.

Pascal Mayalla · Jul 19, 2017

BAK said:
Wewe naye ndiyo wale wale.
Acha kudumaza akili yako Pascal kwa unafiki na undumilakuwili uliokithiri.

Mkuu BAK, kwa heshma na taadhima, nakujibu kistaarabu kabisa kuwa kuitwa ndumilakuwili nimeisha zoea.

Lissu atawaingiza chaka, Magufuli sio dikiteta uchwala!. Uchwala ni isiyo halisi, isiyo yenyewe yaani fake!.
Magufuli ni mwenyewe na halisi, sio fake!.

Paskali

residentura · Jul 19, 2017

Malkia bora said:
Jamani people of good will mshaurini Rais ajaribu kuleta umoja na uzalendo nchini. Anaisogeza nchi kwenye vita badala ya viwanda. Chuki inazidi kuchemka. Ni kwa nini viongozi wa zamani wako kimya hivi. Angalau Warioba na wale wasafi wachache waseme ukweli. Nchi haiko sawa. Vinyongo ni vingi mnokuhusu uonevu.
Inauma ila Lisu kaema asikilizwe. Mambo ya"sasa zamu yetu" hayafai. Kesho ikiwa zamu ya wengine itakuwaje?
Tusiwe short sighted. Let us be visionaries!

Kweli wewe Malkia bora.

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zitto junior · Jul 19, 2017

Panzi Mchanga said:
"Firstly is maguli a dictator??????"

A question that may surprise everybody; and that why I do not have a great answer of the day

Elections were made based on a constitution and he took an oath to uphold ; and all parties participated. Citizen selected their leader(s) including member of parliament. CCM formed the government based on the mandate given by the people.

The president did not elect the parliamentarians and there are decisions made here-about that- dictatorship? We have the judicial system-from which the opposition and the ruling part has benefited from the decisions made- is that a dictatorship. We have the cabinet and several ministries and instruments are there on how things should go.

I addition we have the local government -where through their councilors-decisions are made (including several owned by the opposition!)

"Numbers dont determine tribalism its the impact"

And how lake zone was singled out-and not Lindi or Zanzibar-number 2? In fact you are negating what Lisus and CHADEMA) was trying to tell people, that numbers don't matter! THANK YOU

My expectation is that, the then renounced person like Tundu Lisu would come out with sections of the constitution what have been broken and how that relates to the issue of tribalism and religion sentiments.

You may continue quoting countries; but history needs to be known before making reference to other countries

I still conclude there were other Evil things were meant to be the outcome of Tundu Lisu address to the media and that is the basis of my thread.

1. U mean magufuli is not a dictator then why did he ban political rallies of opposition parties as against the law governing the operations of political parties...... whilst at the same time his political party CCM is carryinh out rallies all over tanzania with no objections at all???? Thats what lisu said and u still claim magufuli is not a dictator without facts banning political rallies is one of the examples lisu gave among many others u should start adressing that one

2. Tribalism is not only based on numbers it depends on the amount of influence that tribe or religion has over the decision making of the president thats why i said if u claim that only 2 are his relatives without forgetting that in uganda museveni has only 3 relatives in the government but he is called a despot/tribalist because of tje amount of influemce those three have in his decision making so before answering lisu u should consider that and he gave an example of investment decisions which was made by one of his relatives how do adress such a motion??? By numbers of relatives available in the gov't or by the influence of that relative in the gov't????

3. Yes lissu quoted many sections of the constitution which magufuli has tresspassed but you the defender's of magufuli thr is no where u have adressed them.... lets start with the political parties act as ammended in 2007!!! Which allows and gives freedom to political parties to carry out rallies and deminstrations countrtwide without limits but magu personally ordered that no politics till 2020!!!!! Now hasn't he bypassed the law??? No foul cry???

COME WITH FACTS BROTHER TANZANIANS ARE TIRED OF BLAH BLAH now lisu is raising facts instead of adressing them you defenders are just bringing assumptions that he had negative intentions??? Since when is it illegal to express ur views and perceptions??

mopaozi · Jul 19, 2017

Usibishane na mpumbavu.......................

mrangi · Jul 19, 2017

laki si pesa. said:
kama hakuna freedom of speech mbona unaandika pumba humu na hukamatwi?

Tulia we gamba!naona sindano imekuingiaaa

Ova

zitto junior · Jul 19, 2017

Che mittoga said:
Yes brother, Tundu Lisu is working hard to drive Tanzanians on Looking at negative things done by President Magufuli.
Lisu is ignoring all good things which are being implemented by The President.
He make us to see to it that, the political opponent of Chadema is no more CCM, but President Magufuli.
Magufuli have driven Chadema out of their political move, they have completely forgotten to advocate their political
policy.
They are no longer fighting for Warioba Constitution, Free Election Comittee and Better Social Service.
The plan for M4C, UKUTA, UKAWA, UFISADI and the like, are at the momment, placed in dust bin.
I see Chadema loosing direction on political arena, because of seeing Magufuli as a political party and not a human being who can make mistake.
If Magufuli is out of political game, (at the moment) what are we expecting to hear from Lisu and Chadema ?

CCM has no or opponent on their way to 2020.

Chadema is chasing Magufuli, CUF is chasing Lipumba.
ACT, Wazalendo is chasing Ana Mgwila

What an advantage.

Same blah blah blah again....... now how can u advocate for warioba's constitution and an independent electoral commission while even internal political meetings are banned???? When do u make such plans while the moment u step in the office ur arrested??? Do u need a telescope to see that there is unfairness in the political arena???

I repeat the mistake most people who support magufuli do is by diverting all issues he is being criticized using his achievements!!! For example lisu said magufuli is an authoritarian then no one in this thread has objected that rather they all rush to magufuli is a hardworker, magufuli procured bombardier's !!! Why all this??? Whether magufuli is the best leader ever on earth or lisu and chadema are the most wicked politicians ever does it change the fact that magufuli is an authoritarian????

Funny enough ur blaming chadema for chasing after magufuli and not chasing after ccm not knowing that in authoritarian system one man has a voice than his political party....... do u think CCM MPs can demand for the contract and procurement procedure of the bombardier's???? Magufuli is killing the opposition hence they have to check on him not ccm coz its not ccm who banned neither political rallies nor bunge live!!!!!

Abuu Saad · Jul 19, 2017

Magamba sasa mmeamua kubadili lugha ambayo hata m/kiti wenu taifa HAIFAHAMU.
Cc.DAB

Magobe T · Jul 19, 2017

Keju said:
Honestly speaking, I real appreciate Ngosha's administration by 100% irrespective to his weakness he has. Additionally, regardless of my little knowledge I have about politics, politicians, and with the support from the preceding governments after that of the founding father of this nation, the late Mwalimu Julius Kambarage Nyerere, now, I can see a green light coming again for this country under Magufuli's era.

While some people, more specifically the opposition leaders still ignore Magufuli administration plans and efforts on creating a new bright, and strong Tanzania economically, it is now a time for other Tanzanians to support and encourage our president to keep it up, and of course, we will, regardless of what other say. Moreover, the situation which we reached as a nation, it was obvious that we wanted Magufuli's approach to move this country a step ahead. Furthermore, in order to reach our national economic strategic ambition of 2025, we wanted a creative, strong and practically-oriented leadership style, that set the plans and start implementing them rather than that which end by politicizing them only, of which Magufuli leadership style deserve those credits.

As I'm enjoying to see what I wanted to be done in Tanzania, much is needed to support our president on moving this country ahead. Normally, a good and wise human character, appreciate nice stuffs those that are done by a leader, and provide constructive critics without, tamper, haterate, despising, disrespect etc on some issues seems to be not correct, of which Ubuntu has to be applied on them. Besides, being an opposition leader, does not mean that you opposite each and every what the ruling government do. On top of that you as a leader, you can oppose each and everything, but we, as the mere citizens, we truly see, and we know, what our innermost heart tell us about our President Maguli's ambitions to this country.

It is my time now to ask politicians of this country, and more specifically opposition leader, of whom Tundu Lisu is my prime target, and I have some few questions here: 1) will you teach us to see what Magufuli administration is doing?; 2) do you think that we do not know where we came from, where are we now, and where are we heading?; 3) do you think that we do not know where did you mess up, after all your efforts you devoted on building your political part, and the you fallen in a graving trap in 2015, because of greedy of securing Magogoni by shortcut? Now you see, the way you messed up, we had a trust in you, but you ended by lying us; 4) Why are you denying yourself? what you wanted to be done in this country, such as curbing corruption, we have now and we are still seeing Ngosha's success on this, can you ignore this achievement?, and 5) why are you now coming with simple, and lower-minded arguments against our president? I can see now you are talking about tribalism, religious sentiments, ukanda, and dictatorship, this click in my mind and tell me that no more ufisadi in this country as you used to see. No matter which tribal, religion, and zone background any leader is coming from, for me if he or she is qualified for serving this nation, let them do their best in bringing development in this nation.

Sometimes, professionalism is blinded by politics, and this what is happening with Tundu Lisu. Matokeo ya kukosa nini wasimamie kwa sasa kama chama, maana ajenda kuu waliizika 2015, saizi imebaki kuvizia tu. Na haya ndiyo matokeo ya kutaka kuingia ikulu kwa shortcut unaacha misimamo au misingi yenu kama chama, mlioijenga kwa miongo mingi. Watu wanapo mess up, wanakuja na simple justification za siasa hazina adui wa kudumu au rafika wa kudumu, lakini implication zake ni kubwa sana. This is what they are reaping now. Unajua sisi wa tz ni waongeaji sana, bila vitendo, now we have a man who speak and do it practically, what else do we what?. Jamaa hawa hawa, walimtukana sana JK kuwa ni dhaifu, TZ kuna ombwe la Uongozi, rushwa zilizokithiri, and I agree with them, but now, Ngosha has curbed all these malicious stamping blocks in our development.

Finally, may God almighty be with our president Dr John Joseph Pombe Magufuli in all his every steps to move this country ahead, give him wisdom strength to lead this nation.

God Bless Africa, Tanzania, and our president Dr John Joseph Pombe Magufuli.

Best,
A mere citizen with no any post in government, but I will keep on supporting and advising him in his plans and effort on leading this nation .

Kwangu mimi, kusifia na kukosoa vyote viko level moja - they are only opposites - no right, no wrong.

zitto junior · Jul 19, 2017

kotelyimola said:
The guy is trying to tell you guys to be objective, give JPM credit where he deserve and hammer him for his wrong doings! In other words be rational as he is a human being not an angel

Mr Kotelyimola just a fortnight ago lisu praised magufuli for arresting seth and rugemalira for obvious reasons didnt u see that lisu gave credit to magufuli even kafulila and zitto praused magufuli for that??? Didnt bulaya praise magufuli for the decision of supplying desks to primary schools the campaign which was done countrywide??? Didnt mnyika praise magufuli for the bringing forth the ammendments of different acts with a nature of protecting our natural resources for example gas and petroleum act of 2015????

They have given him credit most times mind you but still magufuli is banning thr political activities if you wea lisu what would u do??? If he lets them free to operate politicaly dont u think thy will be in a good spirit to support magufuli because he would have done them more good tha harm??? But for now dont u think its funny for them to support magufuli while they cant even be free to host a political rally or indoor meeting???

Duh hta mie nitawashangaa sana wapinzani i will be schocked

Sophist · Jul 19, 2017

zitto junior said:
Elimu Elimu Elimu what i hate the most is this tendency of believing whoever criticises magufuli then he is perceived as an anti-development icon!!!!!

What Tundu lisu was trying to stress out among others was about democracy which has been deprived from most political parties in TZ mainly opposition and this is a fact whether magufuli has bought bombardiers , SGR and so on it doesnr change the fact that he has a dictatorial and authoritarian characteristics

So instead of piling questions to Lisu which most are to justify magufuli legitimacy and credibilty its better you use this precious time ro advise ghe president to practice democracy as stated in our constitution

What i hate about most magufuli supporters they try to hide his weaknesses within his achievements......whoever criticizes magufuli because of 1 or 2 issues they quickly run to explain his achievements...... lisu said magufuli is a dictator i havent seen anywhere in ur article where you have adressed that motion rather 90% ur either attacking lissu and chadema or praising magufuli leadership skills

Instead of wasting ur energy better advise ur president to be lenient with democracy otherwise let him declare its an authoritarian state and banish all political parties rather than claiming its a democratic country while he is not abiding to the constitution of the country

AS PER NOW NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO CLEARLY CONVINCE US THAT LISU IS WRONG ABOUT MAGUFULI..... ALL ARE JUST BEATING AROUND THE BUSH

...just another nonsense statement. You can't eat your cake and have it! It is all about opportunity cost. Leaving everyone in the government relaxed while eating public money scot free, means forget about development delivery as outcome of political leadership. Deploying strict political management including tight money policy, cubing official corruption and the like in which everyone toils, ends in public enjoyment of social and economic benefits. Sasa wewe sijui ni kilaza wa wapi usiyejua mambo haya na dhana zake?

Sophist · Jul 19, 2017

zitto junior said:
Mr Kotelyimola just a fortnight ago lisu praised magufuli for arresting seth and rugemalira for obvious reasons didnt u see that lisu gave credit to magufuli even kafulila and zitto praused magufuli for that??? Didnt bulaya praise magufuli for the decision of supplying desks to primary schools the campaign which was done countrywide??? Didnt mnyika praise magufuli for the bringing forth the ammendments of different acts with a nature of protecting our natural resources for example gas and petroleum act of 2015????

They have given him credit most times mind you but still magufuli is banning thr political activities if you wea lisu what would u do??? If he lets them free to operate politicaly dont u think thy will be in a good spirit to support magufuli because he would have done them more good tha harm??? But for now dont u think its funny for them to support magufuli while they cant even be free to host a political rally or indoor meeting???

Duh hta mie nitawashangaa sana wapinzani i will be schocked

wewe kichwani mwako huna hata dhana ya unachozungumzia. Soma tena Makala ya mleta uzi.

zitto junior · Jul 19, 2017

wise-comedian said:
We no longer need opposition in Tz,we can do much better without them.

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Yeah but according to NEC over 40% nearly half of those who voted in 2015 think different...... so if u think otherwise u can call for a referendum and be ready to be suprised

zitto junior · Jul 19, 2017

Sophist said:
...just another nonsense statement. You can't eat your cake and have it! It is all about opportunity cost. Leaving everyone in the government relaxed while eating public money scot free, means forget about development delivery as outcome of political leadership. Deploying strict political management including tight money policy, cubing official corruption and the like in which everyone toils, ends in public enjoyment of social and economic benefits. Sasa wewe sijui ni kilaza wa wapi usiyejua mambo haya na dhana zake?

Kwahiyo wwe usiye kilaza unarudia nlichosema hapo kwamba kwanni hamjibu hoja mnakimbilia mafanikio ya magufuli??? Kma anatala kuweka strict political management si aende bungeni afute sheria ya vyama vya siasa na ikiwezekana avifute vyama vya upinzani kigumu kipi si ccm wapo wengi bungeni??

Yaani hakuna anayejibu hoja za lisu hapa wengi wenu mnakimbilia ooh maendeleo ooh ana uongozi mzuri so what?? Sio dikteta??? Hata castro na gadaffi walifanya makubwa ila kipi kilifanywa wachukiwe na ulimwengu kma sio kukandamiza demokrasia nyie shabikieni tu mkifkiri maendeleo ni muhim kuliko uhuru mnasahau kuna watu walisema ni bora ule majani kwenye nchi ya uhuru kuliko nyama kwenye nchi ya utumwa

Ahsante

Dr. Msafiri · Jul 19, 2017

"Watu wangu wanaangamizwa kwa kukosa maarifa"!

zitto junior · Jul 19, 2017

Sophist said:
wewe kichwani mwako huna hata dhana ya unachozungumzia. Soma tena Makala ya mleta uzi.

Nmesoma na nimemuelewa anahamisha mjadala kutoka kujibu hoja za lisu eti anaanza kuhoji udhaifu wa chadema na lisu na anajadili mafanikio ya magufuli sasa ndio nni hiko??? Hivi gadaffi hakufanya makubwa zaidi ya magufuli ila mbona aliitwa dikteta hadi akapinduliwa????

Jibuni hoja je hakuna ukandamizawaji wa demokrasia.....??? Sio oooh magufuli kaleta mageuzi sijui chadema kimechoka mnakera sana

Sophist · Jul 19, 2017

zitto junior said:
Kwahiyo wwe usiye kilaza unarudia nlichosema hapo kwamba kwanni hamjibu hoja mnakimbilia mafanikio ya magufuli??? Kma anatala kuweka strict political management si aende bungeni afute sheria ya vyama vya siasa na ikiwezekana avifute vyama vya upinzani kigumu kipi si ccm wapo wengi bungeni??

Yaani hakuna anayejibu hoja za lisu hapa wengi wenu mnakimbilia ooh maendeleo ooh ana uongozi mzuri so what?? Sio dikteta??? Hata castro na gadaffi walifanya makubwa ila kipi kilifanywa wachukiwe na ulimwengu kma sio kukandamiza demokrasia nyie shabikieni tu mkifkiri maendeleo ni muhim kuliko uhuru mnasahau kuna watu walisema ni bora ule majani kwenye nchi ya uhuru kuliko nyama kwenye nchi ya utumwa

Ahsante

malalamishi as usual. hakuna serikali na watu makini watajiingiza mambo ya kujibizana na kichaaa. Enzi za USSR kulikuwa na jela mahsusi kwa ajili ya vichaa wa namna hii, and they ended up there.

Sophist · Jul 19, 2017

zitto junior said:
Nmesoma na nimemuelewa anahamisha mjadala kutoka kujibu hoja za lisu eti anaanza kuhoji udhaifu wa chadema na lisu na anajadili mafanikio ya magufuli sasa ndio nni hiko??? Hivi gadaffi hakufanya makubwa zaidi ya magufuli ila mbona aliitwa dikteta hadi akapinduliwa????

Jibuni hoja je hakuna ukandamizawaji wa demokrasia.....??? Sio oooh magufuli kaleta mageuzi sijui chadema kimechoka mnakera sana

big picture?

zitto junior · Jul 19, 2017

Hwasha said:
The best way for oppositions to solve their/our problems (if at all they have/we facing problems is to seek foreign support.With such kind of brain do we still need to trust them for higher positions in our country?

Hahahahahahahhaha mandela did the same brother to overcome the apartheid goverment and nyerere supported the boycott!!!! Recently iran were given a trade embargo and it was supported by foreign minister Hon mahiga and he is in the government so do u think ur stand has credibility anymore???

If mahiga accepts it why is it a crime if lisu accepts that strategy too???? Teh teh teh

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