Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

[Ntaghacha]

Huyu

Acha umama, huwezi jibu hoja bila kufanya personal attacks...kila mtu aha uhuru wa kuchangia maoni yake vile anaona inafaa...
By theway JPM kaingiaje hapa?and if you didnt know plan ya kwanza ya mzee mkapa na wenzie 2002 ilikua ni kupita isaka ili ku accomodate mradi wa kabanga Nikel, u can even refer speach ya JK alivyotembea mradi wa SGR after JPM died.
Once again jifunze kuheshimu maoni ya wenzio ht km hukubaliani nayo bila kufanya personal attack, ukion huwezi unaweza pia ku skip maoni yao, sio lazima uyajibu.

Huyu Jamaa anajidai ni "much know " Sana,alafu anapenda kutanguliza matusi Sana hata kama mtu anatia maoni yake binafsi,cha msingi ni kumpuuza tu!

 

[Geza Ulole]

Huyu

Huyu Jamaa anajidai ni "much know " Sana,alafu anapenda kutanguliza matusi Sana hata kama mtu anatia maoni yake binafsi,cha msingi ni kumpuuza tu!

Mangosha utawajua tu hata wapewe vivid evidence ya sababu ya kwanini Burundi wametaka Uvinza Msongati badala ya Isaka-Keza watabisha! Uzuri JPM wa kulazimisha mambo hayupo! BTW neno ujuaji si tusi!

 

[Geza Ulole]

 

[Gobole]

Mangosha utawajua tu hata wapewe vivid evidence ya sababu ya kwanini Burundi wametaka Uvinza Msongati badala ya Isaka-Keza watabisha! Uzuri JPM wa kulazimisha mambo hayupo! BTW neno ujuaji si tusi!

Dada Geza pungunza mihemko ya period...tafta document inaitwa East Africa Railways Master Plan, Final report ya 2009 utakuta kuna The Isaka-Kigali Line with a Link from Keza-Musongati...hii study iliandaliwa 7yrs kabla ht JPM hachaguliwa kua raisi...hii habari ya kusema JPM alilazimisha umeitoa wapi au ndo period inakusumbua?
Ushauri ukiwa MP take your timeoff, u look stupid mbele za watu.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Dada Geza pungunza mihemko ya period...tafta document inaitwa East Africa Railways Master Plan, Final report ya 2009 utakuta kuna The Isaka-Kigali Line with a Link from Keza-Musongati...hii study iliandaliwa 7yrs kabla ht JPM hachaguliwa kua raisi...hii habari ya kusema JPM alilazimisha umeitoa wapi au ndo period inakusumbua?
Ushauri ukiwa MP take your timeoff, u look stupid mbele za watu.

Sasa kama partners ni Burundi na Tanzania na mteja ni Burundi na anasema anataka mzigo ufike Msongati ambapo makao makuu ya serikali na mji mkuu Gitega ni hapo huku reli ya SGR inayoenda Kigoma itahudumia pia Bujumbura na DRC kupitia lake Tanganyika, hiyo masterplan ya mbinafsi JPM is rendered null and void! Halafu usitukane maana najua kutukana pia!

 

[Dotworld]

Tafta document inaitwa East Africa Railways Master Plan, Final report ya 2009 utakuta kuna The Isaka-Kigali Line with a Link from Keza-Musongati...hii study iliandaliwa 7yrs kabla ht JPM hachaguliwa kua raisi...hii habari ya kusema JPM alilazimisha umeitoa wapi

cc: Gobole .Geza Ulole

Download Document - East African Railways Master Plan Study - Final Report - Jan, 2009

 

[Gobole]

Sasa kama partners ni Burundi na Tanzania na mteja ni Burundi na anasema anataka mzigo ufike Msongati ambapo makao makuu ya serikali na mji mkuu Gitega ni hapo huku reli ya SGR inayoenda Kigoma itahudumia pia Bujumbura na DRC kupitia lake Tanganyika, hiyo masterplan ya mbinafsi JPM is rendered null and void! Halafu usitukane maana najua kutukana pia!

1st. Master plan report iliandaliwa na EAT Community (inchi zote 5) mwaka 2009 at that time JPM alikua waziri wa Ardhi utasemaje hio report ya JPM, who was he to influence hio report at that point in time?

2nd. Ht kutoka Keza unaweza kufika Musogati bila tatzo na ht report hio ya 2009 imesema hivyo.

3rd. Km unataka kutukana tukana tu hakuna aliekukataza, hio ndo njia pekee hua unaitumia kujibu hoja za watu ukiwa huna hoja kinzani.

 

[Ntaghacha]

Ni ubaguzi kuwaita wenzako ngosha(kama ni utani,Hamna shida) Ila mtu anapotoa maoni yake binafsi si mjuaji,cha msingi ni kuheshimu mawazo yake na kumrekebisha!

Mangosha utawajua tu hata wapewe vivid evidence ya sababu ya kwanini Burundi wametaka Uvinza Msongati badala ya Isaka-Keza watabisha! Uzuri JPM wa kulazimisha mambo hayupo! BTW neno ujuaji si

 

[Gobole]

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cc: Gobole .Geza Ulole

Download Document - East African Railways Master Plan Study - Final Report - Jan, 2009

Mzee hii report ni nishaisoma...kinachonishangaza report zipo na zinasema kuna link ya isaka-keza-msogati...ila still kuna vilaza wanataka kuaminisha wenzao kua link ya isaka keza ni mawazo binafsi ya JPM...JPM alichofanya ni ku change that plan into a reality...Mnyonge myongeni ila haki yake mpeni.

 

[Dotworld]

Mzee hii report ni nishaisoma...kinachonishangaza report zipo na zinasema kuna link ya isaka-keza-msogati...ila still kuna vilaza wanataka kuaminisha wenzao kua link ya isaka keza ni mawazo binafsi ya JPM...JPM alichofanya ni ku change that plan into a reality...Mnyonge myongeni ila haki yake mpeni.

EAC Current Network with Proposed Lines

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source:
EAST AFRICAN RAILWAYS MASTER PLAN STUDY FINAL REPORT - 2009

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[Geza Ulole]

EAC Current Network with Proposed Lines

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source:
EAST AFRICAN RAILWAYS MASTER PLAN STUDY FINAL REPORT - 2009

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Link Ya Uvinza-Msongati kwenye hiyo ramani haionekani sio? Mangosha bwana? Aisee ni kama expection ilikuwa kila kitu kipite Isaka! Nchi nzima isimame!

 

[Mashashola]

 

[Mashashola]

 

[Mashashola]

Too much for the 'modern electric esigiara'

 

[Tz_one]

Analysis imetulia mkuu.

Pia Kuna line ya Mtwara-Mbamba Bay-Mchuchuma. Hiyo italink nyanda za juu kusini na inaweza kupanda hadi central zone via Iringa.

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With Liganga and Mchuchuma mines set to be developed...The rail will be crucial ..pia hata kwa malawi watakuwa wanapitisha mzgo wao Mtwara ...ikipandisha hadi mbeya ..basi hata mizigo ya Zambia inaweza ikawa inapitia mtwara port ...

 

[Tz_one]

Rwanda wamebadili mawazo nini? Mbona Isaka-Kigali SGR ime-stagnate?

Its kind of diffcult kujua kwann hawana drive kama ile ya zamani..i thought Rwanda would be easier to do the project than Burundi ukiangalia na uchumi wao .they can easily get ..it is a 571km rail.ni ki compare na cost za dar to dodoma it might cost aroud 2.5bil usd..each country has to come with ratio depending on kilometers to be covered

Naona kama Afdb imetajwa tajwa maybe might be a biggest lender for the project

 

[Amari]

With Liganga and Mchuchuma mines set to be developed...The rail will be crucial ..pia hata kwa malawi watakuwa wanapitisha mzgo wao Mtwara ...ikipandisha hadi mbeya ..basi hata mizigo ya Zambia inaweza ikawa inapitia mtwara port ...

The rail is very crucial and strategic for the development of Southern corridor.

Zambia, Malawi na hata DRC wanaweza kutumia Mtwara Port. Hata Zimbabwe nao wanaweza kuitumia. Kwa investment kubwa iliyofanyika na upanuzi wa bandari na uwanja wa ndege wa kimataifa huko inabidi wafocus na biashara kubwa ili kurudisha hiyo thamani ya uwekezaji kwenye miundombinu.

Bandari hiyo wasiishie kwenye korosho na chuma cha Liganga na makaa ya mawe alone. Kuna potential kubwa ya kuserve SADC katika logistics. Nchi nyingi hazina miundombinu bora na ya kisasa kama TZ katika ukanda huu.

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[Tz_one]

Kwahiyo wewe ndo unawapangia? Sio wao based on their geopolitical influence (kutopita nchi mbili) and distance to the sea? Wacha ujuaji wao ni wateja na wanaamua wapi ipite kutokana na interests zao! Rwanda wana-interest na Mwanza pia! Swala la cost halikuhusu wacha reli itapakae huko maana hiyo ya Rwanda kupitia Keza itamvuta Uganda!

it is an opinion..naona rwanda wako wanasusua..but whatever they choose ni maamuzi yao...i think watataka Isaka Keza Kigali...which will cost 2.5bn usd or more.but i will be an advantage to us Tz ..in case Uganda wants the rail..to pass via land wataichota mpakani mwa kagera kama Tz ataona ni sawa kujenga ..

Untill then Tz focus should be kwenye Reli Zake
Tabora to Isaka 165km
Tabora to Kigoma 411km
Kaliua -Mpanda -Karema 317km

All those above might cost around 5Bil usd

Then maybe... Mtwara to Mbamba Bay via songea with branches to Mchuchuma and Liganga

 

[Tz_one]

The rail is very crucial and strategic for the development of Southern corridor.

Zambia, Malawi na hata DRC wanaweza kutumia Mtwara Port. Hata Zimbabwe nao wanaweza kuitumia. Kwa investment kubwa iliyofanyika na upanuzi wa bandari na uwanja wa ndege wa kimataifa huko inabidi wafocus na biashara kubwa ili kurudisha hiyo thamani ya uwekezaji kwenye miundombinu.

Bandari hiyo wasiishie kwenye korosho na chuma cha Liganga na makaa ya mawe alone. Kuna potential kubwa ya kuserve SADC katika logistics. Nchi nyingi hazina miundombinu bora na ya kisasa kama TZ katika ukanda huu.

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We still need to build alot of ferries pia kwenye various lakes

 

[Geza Ulole]

Tanzania, Burundi Sign $900 Million Railway Deal to Boost Trade​

• The two East African nations to jointly seek financing
• Tanzania wants to become regional trade, transport hub

By
Fumbuka Ng'Wanakilala
16. Januar 2022, 21:26 MEZ

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Tanzania and Burundi have signed an agreement to build a $900 million railway that will connect the neighboring East African nations.

The two sides signed a memorandum of understanding to construct a 282-kilometer (175-mile) line from the western Tanzanian town of Uvinza to Burundi’s capital Gitega. Finance and transport ministers from the two countries signed the deal in the western Tanzanian town of Kigoma on Sunday, Tanzania’s finance ministry said in a statement.

Tanzania, which wants to become a regional trade and transport hub, is building a standard gauge railway line to connect the port of Dar es Salaam to landlocked neighbors, including the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

The two governments will jointly seek financing for the railway, Tanzania Finance Minister Mwigulu Nchemba said, adding that the final cost “will likely not exceed $900 million.” He didn’t provide details on the source of financing.

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