Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania

[Geza Ulole]

Nimejaribu kusoma hii debate yenu kuna mahali naona mnamiss if I'm not mistaken, kwa nini mnacompare vipande viwili vyenye urefu tofauti Dar-Moro na Nairobi-Mombasa ili mpambano uwe fair weka Dar- Makutupora vs Nairobi - Mombasa tuone kazi 😀.

Actually Dar-Morogoro-Dodoma-Makutupora equivalency yake (in distance) ni Mombasa-Nairobi -Naivasha!

 

[Geza Ulole]

 

[NDINDA]

Work in Progress.

 

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[Geza Ulole]

 

[coodip1]

Work in Progress.

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Vitu hivi huwa wanaviona Ulaya tuu.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Vitu hivi huwa wanaviona Ulaya tuu.

ndo sababu ya jamaa kupita kimyakimya? 🤣🤣

 

[Geza Ulole]

 

[Geza Ulole]

 

[BlietzKrieg]

TRC Headquarters in Dodoma
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Surrounding inakaa takataka ,jehanam
Nani ako na pics za Ngong or rongai station surrounding?

 

[NDINDA]

Section Pole ready for Use.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Surrounding inakaa takataka ,jehanam
Nani ako na pics za Ngong or rongai station surrounding?

upo bitter and salty!

 

[Ntaghacha]

Old railway station built by Germans in Tabora

 

[Geza Ulole]

 

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[Kafrican]

Nimejaribu kusoma hii debate yenu kuna mahali naona mnamiss if I'm not mistaken, kwa nini mnacompare vipande viwili vyenye urefu tofauti Dar-Moro na Nairobi-Mombasa ili mpambano uwe fair weka Dar- Makutupora vs Nairobi - Mombasa tuone kazi 😀.

Ukirudi hadi pale huu mjadala ulianza utagundua ni Geza Ulole ndo alianza kwa kudai eti Dar-Moro iko na madaraja mengi kuliko Mombasa-Nairobi.... So kutoka mwanzo mjadala ulikua ni huo.
Lakini hata ukachanganya hadi makutopora bado haifikii ya Mombasa-Nairobi.

Na pia mimi sijagusa Nairobi-Naivasha, manake Dar-Makutopora VS Mombasa-Naivasha ndo ziko karibu kutoshana kiurefu. Ikiwa Dar-Moro-Makutopora ni 202km + 348km = 550km VS Mombasa-Nairobi-Naivasha = 472km + 120km = 592km.

Lakini hata tukiacha hayo, Nairobi-Naivasha tu pekee 120km, ina madaraja ya urefu mkubwa kuliko ukichanganya madaraja yote kutoka Dar hadi Makutopora 550km.

There are 27 bridges of different sizes, totalling 17.3km and accounting for 14.4 per cent of the total project length.
Six per cent of the line consists of three tunnels totalling 7.147 km.
On Tuesday last week, NLC defended itself against accusations it is delaying land compensation.
Tache said the commission was paid Sh17.2 billion by Kenya Railways, of which Sh3.8 billion is yet to be paid out.
She admitted the delay was causing the affected families pain but maintained they wouldn’t want to commit the same mistakes that led to delayed payments.

Nairobi-Naivasha SGR complete 'by year end'

Compensation process ongoing, some issues in court. NLC scrutinising documents.

www.the-star.co.ke

 

[Geza Ulole]

Ukirudi hadi pale huu mjadala ulianza utagundua ni Geza Ulole ndo alianza kwa kudai eti Dar-Moro iko na madaraja mengi kuliko Mombasa-Nairobi.... So kutoka mwanzo mjadala ulikua ni huo.
Lakini hata ukachanganya hadi makutopora bado haifikii ya Mombasa-Nairobi

Still Mombasa-Nairobi-Naivasha SGR is way expensive 3.6 + 1.5 US $ bln compared to 1.2 + 1.9 US $ bln electrical SGR for Dar-Moro-Dom-Makutupora!

 

[Kafrican]

Still Mombasa-Nairobi-Naivasha SGR is way expensive 3.6 + 1.5 US $ bln compared to 1.2 + 1.9 US $ bln electrical SGR for Dar-Moro-Dom-Makutupora!

Sasa kama tuko na madaraja mara nne kushinda kwenu na matuta ya urefu wa mara tatu kushinda yenu, what do you expect?

Hii hapa screenshot kutoka SGR Uganda report to parliament ikieleza cost ya SGR Uganda

35% ya garama ya SGR Uganda ilikua inaenda kwa ujenzi wa Madaraja, na 25% ni earth works ambayo ni ujenzi wa matuta(35% +25% = 60%).... sasa kumbuka Kenya ina madajara yenye urefu zaidi kuliko Uganda.

Kwa mfano,kwenye phase II Nairobi-Naivasha SGR , Zaidi ya nusu billion usd (over $500 million) imepotea kwenye ujenzi na fidia kwa KWS kwa daraja/viaduct la 6,000m juu ya Nairobi National Park. Hio ni 30% ya garama yote ya phase II imepotea kwenye 6km ya route length.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Sasa kama tuko na madaraja mara nne kushinda kwenu na matuta ya urefu wa mara tatu kushinda yenu, what do you expect?

Hii hapa screenshot kutoka SGR Uganda report to parliament ikieleza cost ya SGR Uganda

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35% ya garama ya SGR Uganda ilikua inaenda kwa ujenzi wa Madaraja, na 25% ni earth works ambayo ni ujenzi wa matuta(35% +25% = 60%).... sasa kumbuka Kenya ina madajara yenye urefu zaidi kuliko Uganda.

Kwa mfano,kwenye phase II Nairobi-Naivasha SGR , Zaidi ya nusu billion usd (over $500 million) imepotea kwenye ujenzi na fidia kwa KWS kwa daraja/viaduct la 6,000m juu ya Nairobi National Park. Hio ni 30% ya garama yote ya phase II imepotea kwenye 6km ya route length.

Still u can`t justify the cost! This same Chinese companies have built similar projects around the world and the cost is way lower! Take example JPM bridge in Mwanza, a 6 lanes 3.2 km bridge over a lake at $299 mln! U can`t take that as a valid reason for having a difference $5.1-3.1 bln ( over 2 US$ bln) and still not electric SGR! That cost is too much! Another thing is none of ur bridges over waterbodies are over 200 m !

 

[Geza Ulole]

Ukirudi hadi pale huu mjadala ulianza utagundua ni Geza Ulole ndo alianza kwa kudai eti Dar-Moro iko na madaraja mengi kuliko Mombasa-Nairobi.... So kutoka mwanzo mjadala ulikua ni huo.
Lakini hata ukachanganya hadi makutopora bado haifikii ya Mombasa-Nairobi.

Na pia mimi sijagusa Nairobi-Naivasha, manake Dar-Makutopora VS Mombasa-Naivasha ndo ziko karibu kutoshana kiurefu. Ikiwa Dar-Moro-Makutopora ni 202km + 348km = 550km VS Mombasa-Nairobi-Naivasha = 472km + 120km = 592km.

Lakini hata tukiacha hayo, Nairobi-Naivasha tu pekee 120km, ina madaraja ya urefu mkubwa kuliko ukichanganya madaraja yote kutoka Dar hadi Makutopora 550km.

BTW Morogoro-Dodoma-Makutupora will have a number of bridges too!

Design and Engineering Services for hydrological studies, drainage plan and hydraulic studies for all permanent and temporary structures for Morogoro-Dodoma-Makutupora Railway Project section Km:201+000 – 535+000 (Approximate length of the section is 334 km).
Morogoro-Dodoma-Makutupora Railway Project section includes approximately 43 bridges, 531 culverts, 600 km drainage channel. Temelsu shall make the necessary on-site inspections, collect data and prepare Design Criteria Report, Hydrological Report, Flood Risk Assessment and Simulation Reports, Hydraulic Report for Structures and all related drawings.

Drainage Design of Morogoro-Dodoma-Makutupora Railway Project – Tanzania – Temelsu International Engineering Services INC

https://yapimerkezi.com.tr/PdfDosyalari/$RABC31I.pdf

The Longest bridge SGR Morogoro-Makutupora at 592 m

I wish to know the total km of drainage channel for ur SGR!