Geza Ulole
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Rwanda hatunaye!
Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania
Cost comparison SGR Kenya vs SGR Tanzania
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ndughuri msuya
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Hana ujanja atakuja tu, ila aliyotegemea awali naona ameyakosa kwani alitaka yeye ndio awe kiunganishio cha Drc, Burundi hata na Uganda.
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Hatuwezi subiri mpka amue, tutaondoka na aliye tayari
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Kama kasusa sisi tuichukue tuipeleke mpaka Rusumo, mzigo wake awe anakuja kuusomba hapo, mengine atajua mwenyewe.
Geza Ulole
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Sasa unataka tupeleke SGR to machakani kama SGR Kunyaland pale Naivasha!
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Rwanda hana option ataunganisha tuu mwenyewe
Geza Ulole
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Ya Burundi inatokea kigoma kwenda Gitenga mpaka Congo ya Rwanda inaanzia Isaka mpaka Rwanda lakini anaweza vilevile akaunganisha na Congo aidha moja kwa moja au kupitia Burundi
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Geza bhana, Rusumo ni machakani? Tena nilishangaa sana kusikia Rwanda anataka kuunganishia Isaka, which means tungempa upper hand ya yeye kumiliki hiyo route, the point ya kumpelekea mpaka Border ni sisi kuwa na nguvu nayo in case kuna mtu anataka kuunganisha, nashukuru Samia kaja kurekebisha hilo kwa Burundi na DRC nadhani ndio sababu Rwanda kasusa, somehow, somewhere niliona Kagame kamu-outsmart JPM kwenye hilo deal and its good now liko kwa tofauti.
Geza Ulole
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sasa kama hataki unalazimisha? kwahiyo tujenge mpaka Rusumo badala ya Keza kama feasibility study ilivyotaka, for what kama Rwanda wamegoma? wacha hii maneno bana lazma cargo iwe secured na tuwe na partner upande wa pili! Lazma Kagame a-commit ndo ijengwe!
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Tusimbembeleza akisusa wenzie wala 😁
Keza would have been a better option reli inge split into two one arm to Burundi the other to Rwanda
Makubaliano ya awali Tanzania ajenge Kuanzia isaka mpaka Rusumo mpakani sio Rwanda ajenge Kuanzia isaka . Kila nchi inajenga reli upande wake
Hilo ndilo ninalolifahamu mimi.
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Hapana isingeleta maana kwa Burundi ingeongeza umbali! Jua ramani ya nchi yako kwanza! Burundi kupitia Uvinza ndo more shorter route! Keza-Msongati route ilikuwa ndoto za JPM katika kulazimisha mzigo wote upite Isaka badala ya Kigoma Uvinza ambapo Burundi inataka siku zote kujiunga na route ya Kigoma na si Isaka! Na ingeifanya Burundi ikose mzigo wa Kindu (eastern DRC)!
Kwahiyo wewe unaona sawa tujenge kipande toka Isaka mpaka Rusumo halafu tujenge kingine toka kigoma mpaka border ya Burundi badala ya kuua ndege wawili kwa jiwe moja Isaka kezaHapana isingeleta maana kwa Burundi ingeongeza umbali! Jua ramani ya nchi yako kwanza! Burundi kupitia Uvinza ndo more shorter route! Keza-Msongati route ilikuwa ndoto za JPM katika kulazimisha mzigo wote upite Isaka badala ya Kigoma Uvinza ambapo Burundi inataka siku zote kujiunga na route ya Kigoma na si Isaka! Na ingeifanya Burundi ikose mzigo wa Uvira (eastern DRC)!
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Exactly!! Na ndo imeshika hatamu! Mi sioni umuhimu wa Isaka-Keza kwa sasa maana Kagame haja-commit na naamini hata kama JPM angekuwepo Kagame asinge-commit na hata hii ya Burundi isingefika hapa ilipo maana alikuwa anawalizimisha (on self interest) kama alivyolazimishia Chato airport! Sasa kama SGR line ya Kigoma ipo sioni tatizo na hii ya Uvinza-Msongati! do ur Cost Benefit Analysis! And try to be pragmatic!
We are looking for value for money to build a rail from Isaka to Rusumo (371km) only for a small Rwandan market while we could have a single line serving both Rwanda Burundi and Congo via Isaka Keza line.
The approach you favour entails laying a track length of 527km in order to have both Rwanda na Burundi served by sgr. 156km kigoma to Burundi border and another 371 from Isaka to rusumo making a total of 527 track length aside ftom parallel rail.
The option from Isaka Keza would have required us to build a track length of only 394km that will serve the entire market of Rwanda Burundi, Congo and possibly Uganda and mind you here we are looking at economies of scale on that stretch of line as compared if both countries go solo one joins via kigoma the other through Isaka.
Piga hesabu on value for money na economies of scale utajua wapi bora.
Kagame Isaka Rwanda bado ipo on board hela ndio inatafutwa but delays ilikuwa Kagane was waiting to see which rail itafika mapema kwake kati ya central and northern corridor but now the answer is obvious
Geza Ulole
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Unajua Kigoma port? cargo second to Dar port! sasa combine Kigoma na Burundi na DRC link halafu fanya mahesabu! wacha Sukumagang mentality! Rwanda can still come on board and link via Burundi too!
Kuna sababu kwanini DRC anaikwepa Rwanda pia yuko comfortable na Burundi zaidi ya na Rwanda! Tshisekedi alikuja Dar na kipindi hicho Rwanda nao walikuwa wanapigia debe route yao ila kasaini ya route ya Burundi! Sasa kama hujui kinachoendelea as far as kutoaminiana nyamaza!!
Na hizi meli zinazokarabatiwa na zinazoenda kujengwa kuhudumia the larger eastern DRC zibaki bila ya link ya SGR yenye capacity kubwa?
watakujibu kukupinga kwa kuona points zao ni bora zaid na excuses zao blaa blaa eti sukuma gang[emoji23].. (watu wa design hii jifunze kuwasikiliza afu wapotezee mana watakupotezea mda)
kuhusu hii line 2.. tungekaa wote mezan Rwanda, Burundi na Tanzania tukubaliane kuwa TZ tujenge reli hadi Keza then RD na BD watazipeleka nchin kwao.. hapa kila mmoja akiridhika, tunakuwa tumeua ndege wawili kwa jiwe moja
kuhusu line 1.. hapa tunamkosa RD .. hata ukisema watapitisha kupitia BD itakuwa ngumu sababu hawa mara nying wanazozana wao kwa wao, mfano RD ataona BD anafaidika na mizigo ya RD ikipita BD.. ukipitisha keza (TZ) hata wakizozana wao kwa wao hakuna shida maana junction ya keza ipo TZ
kuhusu DRC kuunganisha reli.. wataunganisha popote hapo musongati either umejenga kupitia line 1 au 2.. najua DRC wanatumia Kigoma port pia kama ilivyosasa , lkn wapo watakaopita musongati hata kwa kujenga line 2 ambayo bado junction bado ipo palepale ambayo itapita musongati kama ilivyo demand yao saiz kupitia line 1.. so line 2 ungekuwa umeua ndege wawili kwa jiwe moja iff wote RD, BD na TZ tungekubaliana kujenga line 2.. na si kwa kulazimishwa na utashi (TZ na RD pekee) au (TZ na BD pekee).. tungekubaliana wote watatu line 2 ni bora zaid
kitu kingine, kwann DRC wanataka kupitia BD na si kwa port ya Kigoma ambapo ni rahis? mim naona ni kwa sababu DRC na BD wamekubaliana wao kwa wao ipite BD then itaendelea hadi huko DRC
pia ukiangalia vizur Isaka (Isaka-Mwanza) na Tabora (Tabora-Makutupora) tayar kuna wakandarasi.. then line 2 from Isaka ni pafupi zaidi ya line 1 from Tabora. Line 2 pia ina advantage ya baadae Uganda wakiwa vizur kutaka kujenga SGR kutokea hapo Keza kwenda kwao