Deni La Taifa La Kenya Ni Mara Mbili Ya Deni La Tanzania Na Mara Tano Ya Deni La Uganda

Deni La Taifa La Kenya Ni Mara Mbili Ya Deni La Tanzania Na Mara Tano Ya Deni La Uganda

joto la jiwe said:
Hahahahahaha, I have more than 100 friends who drive cars too. Tafadhali thibitisha kwamba you do import 100,000 cars per year, also tell us howmany these cars belong to UN and foreigners, because you have many foreigners next to South Africa. Kenya you have pseudo economy.
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Ati 100 friends who drive.. From you bedsitter, where did you get 100 friends?😀😀

The total number of cars we buy per year is not constant. Can't get the latest figures, but it is thereabout 100,000, including the brand new cars.

I don't know what you mean by foreigners. You should make a point of visiting Nairobi instead of coming up with figures from your bedsitter all the time.

The biggest number of foreigners in Kenya are omba ombas from Tanzania.
People of Caucasian origin living or working in Kenya are less than 80,000 by last census.
 
kennedy0000 said:
Ati 100 friends who drive.. From you bedsitter, where did you get 100 friends?😀😀

The total number of cars we buy per year is not constant. Can't get the latest figures, but it is thereabout 100,000, including the brand new cars.

I don't know what you mean by foreigners. You should make a point of visiting Nairobi instead of coming up with figures from your bedsitter all the time.

The biggest number of foreigners in Kenya are omba ombas from Tanzania.
People of Caucasian origin living or working in Kenya are less than 80,000 by last census.
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Hahahahahahaha Kunyaman from Kunyaland failed state, try to support your argument by using reliable data and statistics, remember this is high voltage discussion, we don't allow propagandalists to come up with hot air discussion.

If you have failed to provide evidence on number of vehicle imported per year, stop your nonsense claim that you import more cars than Tanzania, you are not sure how many cars are imported in Kenya or Tanzania per year, therefore you don't have legitimacy to compare the two.

It is true that Nairobi hosts many UN organization than any other country in Africa with exception of South Africa, also Nairobi has got many HQs of foreign companies like Cocacola and alike, therefore many of these have many foreigners employees who own big percentage of Kenya economy, this is known as Pseudo economy.
 
joto la jiwe said:
Hahahahahahaha Kunyaman from Kunyaland failed state, try to support your argument by using reliable data and statistics, remember this is high voltage discussion, we don't allow propagandalists to come up with hot air discussion.

If you have failed to provide evidence on number of vehicle imported per year, stop your nonsense claim that you import more cars than Tanzania, you are not sure how many cars are imported in Kenya or Tanzania per year, therefore you don't have legitimacy to compare the two.

It is true that Nairobi hosts many UN organization than any other country in Africa with exception of South Africa, also Nairobi has got many HQs of foreign companies like Cocacola and alike, therefore many of these have many foreigners employees who own big percentage of Kenya economy, this is known as Pseudo economy.
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Anytime I give you data and charts, you go into hiding with shame. Mara mingi you've asked for data and when the data proves you wrong, you go silent.

This is the last time I'm doing the work of Googling for you.

Motor vehicles per 1000 people (Vehicles per capita)
Kenya - 23.85
Tanzania - 7

Total registered vehicles (2015)
Kenya - 1.4 million
Tanzania - 380,000

2015 vehicle sales

Kenya imports - 87,795
Kenya brand new - 19,966
Total - 107,761
Vehicles imported through port of Mombasa - 143,833

Tanzania imports - Got tired of looking. Serikali yenu siri haiwezi release data.


Sources - Expensive vehicles cut imports by Sh31.7 billion

https://nairobinews.nation.co.ke/news/vehicle-imports-decline-first-time-five-years/

General Motors leading in market share despite plunge in car

Kenya Motor Vehicles Per 1 000 People

Tanzania Motor Vehicles Per 1 000 People
 
Lyamber said:
Je uchumi wa Tanzania ni sawa sawa na wa Kenya au na Uganda? Tuangalie mishahara wanayolipwa watumishi wa umma Kenya na Tanzania vinawiana? Hata magari ywliyopo barabarani Kenya na Tanzania ni tofauti sana
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Vile vile hayo tuliyofanya na hiyo mikopo.Tujiulize jee bila hiyo mikopo maisha yangeendelea?
 
IGONDI said:
Vile vile hayo tuliyofanya na hiyo mikopo.Tujiulize jee bila hiyo mikopo maisha yangeendelea?
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Usihangaike sana na kupiga porojo.
Hiyo GDP ya kenya unayoisifia ni 74bn$, ukitoa 51bn$ ya madeni unapata 24bn$.
Tanzania ni 55bn$ ukitoa 26bn$ ya madeni unapata 29bn$.

Sasa wewe mwenyewe niambie ipi ni more efficient? Unaona bora tuwaombe wachina bilioni 25 wachukue nchi? Halafu tuishi kama punda with slums all over na sehemu nyingine jangwa si jangwa, vichaka si vichaka. Yaani ni mwendo wa kula nyoka na nyani.

Sasa huo wewe unaona ni ujanja?
 
Kobello said:
Usihangaike sana na kupiga porojo.
Hiyo GDP ya kenya unayoisifia ni 74bn$, ukitoa 51bn$ ya madeni unapata 24bn$.
Tanzania ni 55bn$ ukitoa 26bn$ ya madeni unapata 29bn$.

Sasa wewe mwenyewe niambie ipi ni more efficient? Unaona bora tuwaombe wachina bilioni 25 wachukue nchi? Halafu tuishi kama punda with slums all over na sehemu nyingine jangwa si jangwa, vichaka si vichaka. Yaani ni mwendo wa kula nyoka na nyani.

Sasa huo wewe unaona ni ujanja?
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Masomo ya Tanzania ni matope tu. Ndio maana wenzako wamefurika Kenya.

GDP, ambayo ni products na services zote za nchi kwa mwaka mmoja, unalinganisha na madeni ambayo mengine yatalipwa kwa miaka ishirini?
Madeni ambayo mengine ni ya zamani.

Rudi shule, na usirudi Saint Kayumba.
 
kennedy0000 said:
Masomo ya Tanzania ni matope tu. Ndio maana wenzako wamefurika Kenya.

GDP, ambayo ni products na services zote za nchi kwa mwaka mmoja, unalinganisha na madeni ambayo mengine yatalipwa kwa miaka ishirini?
Madeni ambayo mengine ni ya zamani.

Rudi shule, na usirudi Saint Kayumba.
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Wewe sasa ndiyo urudi shule.
Unafikiri hizo products and services zimetengenezwa na fedha ipi? Instant or cumulative?
Hapo maana yake, pamoja na kukopa hela zote hizo, yaani pamoja na kumlisha ng'ombe chakula kingi ulichokopa kwa jirani, bado anazalisha lita mbili kwa siku.
Wakati mwenzako ng'ombe wake anazalisha lita 1.6/day na amekopa concentrates nusu ya uliyokopa.

Wewe nenda ka - copy and paste data, usijaribu kunifundisha.
 
Kobello said:
Wewe sasa ndiyo urudi shule.
Unafikiri hizo products and services zimetengenezwa na fedha ipi? Instant or cumulative?
Hapo maana yake, pamoja na kukopa hela zote hizo, yaani pamoja na kumlisha ng'ombe chakula kingi ulichokopa kwa jirani, bado anazalisha lita mbili kwa siku.
Wakati mwenzako ng'ombe wake anazalisha lita 1.6/day na amekopa concentrates nusu ya uliyokopa.

Wewe nenda ka - copy and paste data, usijaribu kunifundisha.
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Wacha ni kusaidie. Labda sio kupenda kwako.

GDP ni annual. Yaani value ya goods and services kila mwaka.

Sasa, wewe unajumulisha madeni yote ya Kenya ya miaka mingi, alafu unatoa kwa GDP ya kenya ya mwaka mmoja.
Wewe unaona logic hapo kweli?

Haya ni madeni ambayo yatalipwa baada ya miaka mingi.

Kama unataka kufanya hesabu, ya 'adjusted GDP', chukua GDP ya Kenya, alafu utoe madeni ambayo tutalipa huu mwaka.

Huwezi calculate GDP ya Kenya ya 2018, kwa kusubtract deni ambalo tutalipa 2038.

Ukifanya calculation za kijinga kama hizi, ni kumaanisha nchi kama USA ambayo ina GDP ya $19 Trillion na deni la $21 Trillion, itakuwa na negative GDP.
Kumaanisha hata Tanzania imepita USA.

Ndio maana nimekwambia rudi shule.
 
kennedy0000 said:
Anytime I give you data and charts, you go into hiding with shame. Mara mingi you've asked for data and when the data proves you wrong, you go silent.

This is the last time I'm doing the work of Googling for you.

Motor vehicles per 1000 people (Vehicles per capita)
Kenya - 23.85
Tanzania - 7

Total registered vehicles (2015)
Kenya - 1.4 million
Tanzania - 380,000

2015 vehicle sales

Kenya imports - 87,795
Kenya brand new - 19,966
Total - 107,761
Vehicles imported through port of Mombasa - 143,833

Tanzania imports - Got tired of looking. Serikali yenu siri haiwezi release data.


Sources - Expensive vehicles cut imports by Sh31.7 billion

Vehicle imports decline for the first time in five years

General Motors leading in market share despite plunge in car

Kenya Motor Vehicles Per 1 000 People

Tanzania Motor Vehicles Per 1 000 People
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Only last data which compares vehicles per 1000 people is relevant because it compares two countries, but the rest is just narrative about Kenya.

1)This information is not valid because Kenya data is for year 2010, while that of Tanzania is for 2007

2)Tanzania population is 60M, Kenya is 40M, total number of vehicle Tanzania will be higher than Kenya

3)Majority of vehicles imported in Kenya belong to UN and international HQs like BBC, RCI, Cocacola and others.
 
kennedy0000 said:
Wacha ni kusaidie. Labda sio kupenda kwako.

GDP ni annual. Yaani value ya goods and services kila mwaka.

Sasa, wewe unajumulisha madeni yote ya Kenya ya miaka mingi, alafu unatoa kwa GDP ya kenya ya mwaka mmoja.
Wewe unaona logic hapo kweli?

Haya ni madeni ambayo yatalipwa baada ya miaka mingi.

Kama unataka kufanya hesabu, ya 'adjusted GDP', chukua GDP ya Kenya, alafu utoe madeni ambayo tutalipa huu mwaka.

Huwezi calculate GDP ya Kenya ya 2018, kwa kusubtract deni ambalo tutalipa 2038.

Ukifanya calculation za kijinga kama hizi, ni kumaanisha nchi kama USA ambayo ina GDP ya $19 Trillion na deni la $21 Trillion, itakuwa na negative GDP.
Kumaanisha hata Tanzania imepita USA.

Ndio maana nimekwambia rudi shule.
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Concept hapa ni efficiency.
Hata hayo madeni ya US huwezi kufananisha na madeni ya third world countries, ndiyo maana nikakwambia wewe ndiyo urudi shule.
Kwa mdeni yetu ya third world, ni benki za nje na ndani ndiyo zinazoshikilia, wakati madeni ya nchi kama US mengi yanashikiliwa na institutions zinazohusiana na serikali.

Kwa mfano, US Federal reserve inashikilia karibu 7tr$, other government institutions zinashikilia karibu 3tr$. Bado ukiangalia hapo, the real debt portifolio ya US ambayo inafanana na Kenya Tanzania ni kama 10 to 12tr$ leaving abuout 9tr$ kama part ambayo siyo deni. Yaani wanaweza kuwalipa wachina, wajapan na benki zingine binafsi na bado wakawa na almost 9TR ambazo ni za humohumo ndani.

Kukupa mfano mdogo, ili usijichanganye sana, States za US zinaidai Fed Govt, almost 3T, SASA HATA WAKILIPWA BADO HELA NI INTRAGOVERNMENTAL. Wakati hakuna chokoraa county inayoidai central govt Kenya. Usipende kufananisha third world politics na nchi zilizoendelea. Tupo tofauti na hatujitegemei, we are dependents.

So let's talk bananas.
 
Kobello said:
Concept hapa ni efficiency.
Hata hayo madeni ya US huwezi kufananisha na madeni ya third world countries, ndiyo maana nikakwambia wewe ndiyo urudi shule.
Kwa mdeni yetu ya third world, ni benki za nje na ndani ndiyo zinazoshikilia, wakati madeni ya nchi kama US mengi yanashikiliwa na institutions zinazohusiana na serikali.

Kwa mfano, US Federal reserve inashikilia karibu 7tr$, other government institutions zinashikilia karibu 3tr$. Bado ukiangalia hapo, the real debt portifolio ya US ambayo inafanana na Kenya Tanzania ni kama 10 to 12tr$ leaving abuout 9tr$ kama part ambayo siyo deni. Yaani wanaweza kuwalipa wachina, wajapan na benki zingine binafsi na bado wakawa na almost 9TR ambazo ni za humohumo ndani.

Kukupa mfano mdogo, ili usijichanganye sana, States za US zinaidai Fed Govt, almost 3T, SASA HATA WAKILIPWA BADO HELA NI INTRAGOVERNMENTAL. Wakati hakuna chokoraa county inayoidai central govt Kenya. Usipende kufananisha third world politics na nchi zilizoendelea. Tupo tofauti na hatujitegemei, we are dependents.

So let's talk bananas.
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Wewe huwezi saidika.

For you to take a cumulative debt that has been gathered over many years and will be repaid over several decades, and subtract from the annual GDP and hail it as your eureka moment, that's stupidity.

Na pia inaonyesha hujui maana ya GDP kabisa. Unlike Tanzania where government does everything, GDP in civilized countries like Kenya is driven by the private sector. Here in Kenya its to the tune of 80%.

Even if for some reason we were to use your stupid reasoning and pay off the debt in one year, 50% of it is domestic debt. Borrowed from banks and normal Kenyans in terms of bonds, T bills and the rest.
It short it is Kenyan money that is still part of our GDP.
 
joto la jiwe said:
Only last data which compares vehicles per 1000 people is relevant because it compares two countries, but the rest is just narrative about Kenya.

1)This information is not valid because Kenya data is for year 2010, while that of Tanzania is for 2007

2)Tanzania population is 60M, Kenya is 40M, total number of vehicle Tanzania will be higher than Kenya

3)Majority of vehicles imported in Kenya belong to UN and international HQs like BBC, RCI, Cocacola and others.
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1. Bring your own latests data.
2. Kenya has a population of 48-50 million.
3. Sawa. Keep believing what you want. Utachoka tu.
 
kennedy0000 said:
Wewe huwezi saidika.

For you to take a cumulative debt that has been gathered over many years and will be repaid over several decades, and subtract from the annual GDP and hail it as your eureka moment, that's stupidity.

Na pia inaonyesha hujui maana ya GDP kabisa. Unlike Tanzania where government does everything, GDP in civilized countries like Kenya is driven by the private sector. Here in Kenya its to the tune of 80%.

Even if for some reason we were to use your stupid reasoning and pay off the debt in one year, 50% of it is domestic debt. Borrowed from banks and normal Kenyans in terms of bonds, T bills and the rest.
It short it is Kenyan money that is still part of our GDP.
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He he
Kaangalie ratio of Government expenditure to GDP, 18% for Tanzania, and 27% for Kenya in 2016. So I don't know how and where you get your wicked data. But I can guess.
Pia, nadhani huelewi, just because the debt is domestic, it's still owned by private Banks and other financial institutions, most of which are publicly traded. There are Tanzanians OWNING STOCKS in Kenyan Banks, there are also other nationalities ownig our domestic debts.
US debts (good part of it) is owned by governmental institutions and some State governments, so the portfolio is not the same at all!!
 
Kobello said:
He he
Kaangalie ratio of Government expenditure to GDP, 18% for Tanzania, and 27% for Kenya in 2016. So I don't know how and where you get your wicked data. But I can guess.
Pia, nadhani huelewi, just because the debt is domestic, it's still owned by private Banks and other financial institutions, most of which are publicly traded. There are Tanzanians OWNING STOCKS in Kenyan Banks, there are also other nationalities ownig our domestic debts.
US debts (good part of it) is owned by governmental institutions and some State governments, so the portfolio is not the same at all!!
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42% of US government debt is owed to foreign governments and investors, including over $1 Trillion to China alone.
7% of US government debt is owed to Banks.
16% of US government debt is owed to mutual funds, bonds etc.

Only 23% of US debt is owed to government institutions and state governments.

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