Does science crush the whole idea of "religious' doom's day" ??

[think3r91]

I have been recently speculating about the connection existing between how the science foresees the earth with respect to how religion tells us about the end of the world. its quite amusing, yet rises some few questions if both of the two have the hitting target there after.

This journey of speculation started by the time i came across with these topics in physics called THERMODYNAMICS.and in geography HISTORICAL and GEOGRAPHICAL phenomena , the universe.

• thermodynamics The branch of physics dealing with energy (heat energy) in motion between two or many bodies. under this interesting topic, there are two laws which were of my concern, 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics. of the two laws, second law is what i will mainly be talking about here.
• The second thermodynamics law of heat states that "there is constant flow of heat, from the hot object or body to the less hot object or body, and the flow will continue until the state of thermoequilibrium between the bodies is attained"
• historical and geographical phenomena: under this topic i came to learn and see how the earth we living today have, in one way or the other, changed in terms of physical features as lift valleys,mountains and so forth, variation of temperature on earth surfaces causing the frequently rising in temperature and of course changing from the ice age to where we are today.
• the universe here, i looked on the issues as the universe at large. the space and everything it contains including the stars, galaxies and black holes.

According to the fact stated on the 2nd law of thermodynamics, the historical and geographical phenomena of the earth, and of course the universe, here are my intakes as for why i raised the question "DOES SCIENCE CRUSH RELIGION?"

1. If the earth exist in the universe, and in the milky way galaxy with a famous solar system, then since it is in the solar system with the sun as the hottest body in the system, then there has been a flow of heat from the sun to, not only earth, but also other planets to such a way that one day the average temperature on the earth and other planets will be as equal to that of the sun (thermo equilibrium). which means it will approximately have the temperature above 2000 degree Celsius.
   • at this point every living organism and non living organism will not tolerate the temperature or even adapting to the changes, hence the earth will one day end due to this temperature increments.
   • scientific and most observable features includes the constant rise in temperature on earth resulting to the disappearing of the ICE AGE, increasing of the deserts span and least is the global warming to which most people blame the industries.
2. On the other hand, in our holy books i.e quran and bible, (the books with ancient writings and to which we believe were there before modern science) have also talked about this doom's day or the last day on earth. they all claim that those with sin will be burnt to the HELL FIRE. which in one way or the other come to coincide with what the science say.
3. I am not saying or criticizing any of the source but my intake is the two are either supporting or crushing one another.
4. is there really a dooms day? are we all going to see GOD as the holy books say? or are we all gonna die and rot to give a chance for a study of human civilization in 21st century?

 

[2013]

I have been recently speculating about the connection existing between how the science foresees the earth with respect to how religion tells us about the end of the world. its quite amusing, yet rises some few questions if both of the two have the hitting target there after.

This journey of speculation started by the time i came across with these topics in physics called THERMODYNAMICS.and in geography HISTORICAL and GEOGRAPHICAL phenomena , the universe.

• thermodynamics The branch of physics dealing with energy (heat energy) in motion between two or many bodies. under this interesting topic, there are two laws which were of my concern, 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics. of the two laws, second law is what i will mainly be talking about here.
• The second thermodynamics law of heat states that "there is constant flow of heat, from the hot object or body to the less hot object or body, and the flow will continue until the state of thermoequilibrium between the bodies is attained"
• historical and geographical phenomena: under this topic i came to learn and see how the earth we living today have, in one way or the other, changed in terms of physical features as lift valleys,mountains and so forth, variation of temperature on earth surfaces causing the frequently rising in temperature and of course changing from the ice age to where we are today.
• the universe here, i looked on the issues as the universe at large. the space and everything it contains including the stars, galaxies and black holes.

According to the fact stated on the 2nd law of thermodynamics, the historical and geographical phenomena of the earth, and of course the universe, here are my intakes as for why i raised the question "DOES SCIENCE CRUSH RELIGION?"

1. If the earth exist in the universe, and in the milky way galaxy with a famous solar system, then since it is in the solar system with the sun as the hottest body in the system, then there has been a flow of heat from the sun to, not only earth, but also other planets to such a way that one day the average temperature on the earth and other planets will be as equal to that of the sun (thermo equilibrium). which means it will approximately have the temperature above 2000 degree Celsius.
   • at this point every living organism and non living organism will not tolerate the temperature or even adapting to the changes, hence the earth will one day end due to this temperature increments.
   • scientific and most observable features includes the constant rise in temperature on earth resulting to the disappearing of the ICE AGE, increasing of the deserts span and least is the global warming to which most people blame the industries.
2. On the other hand, in our holy books i.e quran and bible, (the books with ancient writings and to which we believe were there before modern science) have also talked about this doom's day or the last day on earth. they all claim that those with sin will be burnt to the HELL FIRE. which in one way or the other come to coincide with what the science say.
3. I am not saying or criticizing any of the source but my intake is the two are either supporting or crushing one another.
4. is there really a dooms day? are we all going to see GOD as the holy books say? or are we all gonna die and rot to give a chance for a study of human civilization in 21st century?

penye red- hii ndo nini?
jua linapotoa miale yake llinapungua size yake na ipo siku litakwisha kabisa na dunia kuwa gizani.
kuyeyuka kwa barafu duniani hakuathiriwi na jua bali human activiies zaidi zinazozalisha carbon na hewa nyingine, volcano,ambavyo vinaua O3(ozone) linalozuia joto la jua kuingia duniani kwa wingi kwa kuweka blanket la joto maarufu kama green house gases linalo zuia joto kutoka kwenye jua kuja duniani lisipotee. hivyo kufanya joto linaloingia kuwaongezeka zaidi. Ongezeko la watu duniani linahofiwa kuzidi carrying capacity zaidi ya bilion 8 huko mbeleni na kuweka hofu mahitaji ya chakula na maji safi na salama ya kunywa, japo umetumia physical science, nahope pia kwenye social science mipango ya kupunguza watu kwa uzazi wa mpango,encourage one baby kama china, vita, maradhi matetemeko, njaa yanaendelea ku-ensure equilibrium. mfano hakuna mwana-sayansi alijua tsunami kubwa kama ile kihistoria ingetokea lakini wanyama walijua wakasepa mapema.
kuchanganya dini na sayansi ni kujenga bifu zito na imani yako, sidhani kama elimu ya waandishi na wanadamu wa kipindi wanaandika hivyo vitabu vyenye upako walikuwa na elimu ya kutosha kama hivi leo. kuna mambo watu wakisoma wanaishia ku-skip tu, na vitabu hivyo kwa kila kimoja zina hoja zinazopingana sana na hili sio siri bali halizungumzwi kwa uhuru pia uchunguzi unaonyesha imani hizi za mashariki ya kati na kwingineko hazikuanza kama zinavyoonekana bali zimekuwa zikijibadilisha kiujanjaujanja(harmonizing) ziweze kuendana na utamaduni na upeo wa watu waliopo kwa wakati huo.ikitokea wanasayansi wakaweza kumwongezea mtu miaka 100 zaid ya kuishidini hizi zitajifanya kudai zilijua na imeandikwa, au wakigundua hakuna dumzdei zita-oblitter mistari iendane na wakati huo.
kwa kutumia physics wanaanga waliokwenda mwezini na kwenye space na mars hawajamwona mungu hivyo hawawezi kuthibitisha uwepo wake.wanachohisi kuna uwezekano wa kuwepo extraterestrial being ambao wanatechnology kubwa kuliko ya kwetu hapa duniani, lakini utafitii bado unaendelea.
kuhusu dumzdei hiyo kitu imekaa kiimani zaidi haiwafai etheist free thinker japo umegusia blackhole, kuna probability kubwa ya universe yetu ikitokea ikaingia kwenye blackhole na hapo inaweza kuwa ndio doomsday

 

[sam2000]

penye red- hii ndo nini?
jua linapotoa miale yake llinapungua size yake na ipo siku litakwisha kabisa na dunia kuwa gizani.
kuyeyuka kwa barafu duniani hakuathiriwi na jua bali human activiies zaidi zinazozalisha carbon na hewa nyingine, volcano,ambavyo vinaua O3(ozone) linalozuia joto la jua kuingia duniani kwa wingi kwa kuweka blanket la joto maarufu kama green house gases linalo zuia joto kutoka kwenye jua kuja duniani lisipotee. hivyo kufanya joto linaloingia kuwaongezeka zaidi. Ongezeko la watu duniani linahofiwa kuzidi carrying capacity zaidi ya bilion 8 huko mbeleni na kuweka hofu mahitaji ya chakula na maji safi na salama ya kunywa, japo umetumia physical science, nahope pia kwenye social science mipango ya kupunguza watu kwa uzazi wa mpango,encourage one baby kama china, vita, maradhi matetemeko, njaa yanaendelea ku-ensure equilibrium. mfano hakuna mwana-sayansi alijua tsunami kubwa kama ile kihistoria ingetokea lakini wanyama walijua wakasepa mapema.
kuchanganya dini na sayansi ni kujenga bifu zito na imani yako, sidhani kama elimu ya waandishi na wanadamu wa kipindi wanaandika hivyo vitabu vyenye upako walikuwa na elimu ya kutosha kama hivi leo. kuna mambo watu wakisoma wanaishia ku-skip tu, na vitabu hivyo kwa kila kimoja zina hoja zinazopingana sana na hili sio siri bali halizungumzwi kwa uhuru pia uchunguzi unaonyesha imani hizi za mashariki ya kati na kwingineko hazikuanza kama zinavyoonekana bali zimekuwa zikijibadilisha kiujanjaujanja(harmonizing) ziweze kuendana na utamaduni na upeo wa watu waliopo kwa wakati huo.ikitokea wanasayansi wakaweza kumwongezea mtu miaka 100 zaid ya kuishidini hizi zitajifanya kudai zilijua na imeandikwa, au wakigundua hakuna dumzdei zita-oblitter mistari iendane na wakati huo.
kwa kutumia physics wanaanga waliokwenda mwezini na kwenye space na mars hawajamwona mungu hivyo hawawezi kuthibitisha uwepo wake.wanachohisi kuna uwezekano wa kuwepo extraterestrial being ambao wanatechnology kubwa kuliko ya kwetu hapa duniani, lakini utafitii bado unaendelea.
kuhusu dumzdei hiyo kitu imekaa kiimani zaidi haiwafai etheist free thinker japo umegusia blackhole, kuna probability kubwa ya universe yetu ikitokea ikaingia kwenye blackhole na hapo inaweza kuwa ndio doomsday

Mkuu salute kwa hii analysis nimekubali kweli wewe ni free thinker kamanda. Doomsday is for the fearful!

 

[think3r91]

penye red- hii ndo nini?
jua linapotoa miale yake llinapungua size yake na ipo siku litakwisha kabisa na dunia kuwa gizani.
kuyeyuka kwa barafu duniani hakuathiriwi na jua bali human activiies zaidi zinazozalisha carbon na hewa nyingine, volcano,ambavyo vinaua O3(ozone) linalozuia joto la jua kuingia duniani kwa wingi kwa kuweka blanket la joto maarufu kama green house gases linalo zuia joto kutoka kwenye jua kuja duniani lisipotee. hivyo kufanya joto linaloingia kuwaongezeka zaidi. Ongezeko la watu duniani linahofiwa kuzidi carrying capacity zaidi ya bilion 8 huko mbeleni na kuweka hofu mahitaji ya chakula na maji safi na salama ya kunywa, japo umetumia physical science, nahope pia kwenye social science mipango ya kupunguza watu kwa uzazi wa mpango,encourage one baby kama china, vita, maradhi matetemeko, njaa yanaendelea ku-ensure equilibrium. mfano hakuna mwana-sayansi alijua tsunami kubwa kama ile kihistoria ingetokea lakini wanyama walijua wakasepa mapema.
kuchanganya dini na sayansi ni kujenga bifu zito na imani yako, sidhani kama elimu ya waandishi na wanadamu wa kipindi wanaandika hivyo vitabu vyenye upako walikuwa na elimu ya kutosha kama hivi leo. kuna mambo watu wakisoma wanaishia ku-skip tu, na vitabu hivyo kwa kila kimoja zina hoja zinazopingana sana na hili sio siri bali halizungumzwi kwa uhuru pia uchunguzi unaonyesha imani hizi za mashariki ya kati na kwingineko hazikuanza kama zinavyoonekana bali zimekuwa zikijibadilisha kiujanjaujanja(harmonizing) ziweze kuendana na utamaduni na upeo wa watu waliopo kwa wakati huo.ikitokea wanasayansi wakaweza kumwongezea mtu miaka 100 zaid ya kuishidini hizi zitajifanya kudai zilijua na imeandikwa, au wakigundua hakuna dumzdei zita-oblitter mistari iendane na wakati huo.
kwa kutumia physics wanaanga waliokwenda mwezini na kwenye space na mars hawajamwona mungu hivyo hawawezi kuthibitisha uwepo wake.wanachohisi kuna uwezekano wa kuwepo extraterestrial being ambao wanatechnology kubwa kuliko ya kwetu hapa duniani, lakini utafitii bado unaendelea.
kuhusu dumzdei hiyo kitu imekaa kiimani zaidi haiwafai etheist free thinker japo umegusia blackhole, kuna probability kubwa ya universe yetu ikitokea ikaingia kwenye blackhole na hapo inaweza kuwa ndio doomsday

nashukuru kwa analysis yako mkuu 2013. lengo kubwa ya mimi kuonesha kuwepo kwa bonde la ufa ni kuonesha jinsi matukio ya asili ya dunia kwenye visahani vyake ambavyo vinaendelea kusogea kila kukicha japo sio kwa kasi kubwa sana.
sipingani kuwepo kwa ozone layer , pamoja na green house gases ,na ongezeko la joto duniani kama global warming ila kunakitu nadhani ungekifahamu zaidi ya hapo kwamba ni nini kilisababisha ICE AGE kupotea duniani miaka ile ambapo kulikuwa na watu wachache kuliko wakati mwingine wowote duniani? na niliopo sema kuondoka kwa ice age sikumaanisha kuyayuka kwa barafu ambazo tunashuhudia saa hii, ila ice age ni ile ya kipindi kile ambayo inaaminika dunia kabla ya kujigawa katika mabara.. uso wake ulitandwa na barafu. natokea kipindikile mpaka leo hii joto duniani linazidi kuongezeka taratibu na taratibu na sasa linasaidiwa kuongezeka na hiki tunachokiita global warming.

na kuhusu black hole ni nadharia ambayo haijawahi kuonekana ila wanasayansi wanaamini kabisa kwamba kitu kinapoendelea ku-radiate energy yake, kinapungua.. na mwisho kutoweka moja kwa moja, kwa hili tumeoneshwa mifano mingi kuhusiana na kufa kwa baadhi ya nyota. jua pia ni nyota na itakopotoweka, ama kufa then will one day create what we call a black hole though this process is said to take million of years and it will explode.

 

[Kifyatu]

Mkuu think3r91 swali lako ni zuri sana lakini linahitaji majibu ya kina. Hapa sitakujibu directly bali nitakuonjesha dondoo hizi zifuatazo. Kama hizi dondoo zitakugusa basi niko tayari kukupa ufafanuzi wa kina katika kila dondoo.

1. Mtizamo wa Dini (hasa hizi tatu kubwa) hautofautiani na ule wa sayansi. Ni semantics tu.
2. Ni vizuri kama Dini na science wangeshirikiana kwa sababu wanazungumzia kitu kimoja.
3. While Science try to explain HOW, Religion tries to explain WHY things are as they are. Hapa ndio tu wanapotofautiana.
4. The CREATION vs EVOLUTION debate is silly because religion as well as science believe in both.
5. Mwisho wa dunia (Dooms day) is real from both perspectives.
6. Global warming is a result of green house gases. Earth is quite capable of releasing heat absorbed from the sun if given the chance. Stop pollution.

Hapa naona nimekuchokoza. Nijuze ni dondoo gani hapa unataka nilielezee kiundani? Kama ni dondoo zote basi nipe order yako ya priority. Nitajaribu kukujibu kila dondoo na posting yake. Usiji-limit na hizi dondoo 6. Kama una swali jingine ongeza tu.

Mimi sio muumini wa dini yoyote ile BALI ninazifahamu kwa undani. Ukitaka majibu yako yazingatie mafundisho ya dini moja maalum, please let me know.


cc. 2013
sam2000

 

[think3r91]

Mkuu think3r91 swali lako ni zuri sana lakini linahitaji majibu ya kina. Hapa sitakujibu directly bali nitakuonjesha dondoo hizi zifuatazo. Kama hizi dondoo zitakugusa basi niko tayari kukupa ufafanuzi wa kina katika kila dondoo.

1. Mtizamo wa Dini (hasa hizi tatu kubwa) hautofautiani na ule wa sayansi. Ni semantics tu.
2. Ni vizuri kama Dini na science wangeshirikiana kwa sababu wanazungumzia kitu kimoja.
3. While Science try to explain HOW, Religion tries to explain WHY things are as they are. Hapa ndio tu wanapotofautiana.
4. The CREATION vs EVOLUTION debate is silly because religion as well as science believe in both.
5. Mwisho wa dunia (Dooms day) is real from both perspectives.
6. Global warming is a result of green house gases. Earth is quite capable of releasing heat absorbed from the sun if given the chance. Stop pollution.

Hapa naona nimekuchokoza. Nijuze ni dondoo gani hapa unataka nilielezee kiundani? Kama ni dondoo zote basi nipe order yako ya priority. Nitajaribu kukujibu kila dondoo na posting yake. Usiji-limit na hizi dondoo 6. Kama una swali jingine ongeza tu.

Mimi sio muumini wa dini yoyote ile BALI ninazifahamu kwa undani. Ukitaka majibu yako yazingatie mafundisho ya dini moja maalum, please let me know.

well nashukuru mkuu kifyatu.. kwa sababu lengo kuu ya hili jambo ni kuhusiana na mwisho wa dunia katika perspectives mbili..kisayansi na kiimani.. nadhani kwa leo dondoo namba tano itakuwa njema na kuniweka wazi zaidi

 

[Kifyatu]

well nashukuru mkuu kifyatu.. kwa sababu lengo kuu ya hili jambo ni kuhusiana na mwisho wa dunia katika perspectives mbili..kisayansi na kiimani.. nadhani kwa leo dondoo namba tano itakuwa njema na kuniweka wazi zaidi

Haya, mlolongo huu hapa.

Mwisho wa Dunia:

KISAYANSI
Mwisho wa nguvu za jua:
Dunia yetu ina-support maisha kutokana na energy (nuclear/atomic fusion) itokayo kwenye jua. Kwenye jua every two hydrogen atoms fuse (under enormous gravity) to form one helium atom. The combined mass of the hydrogen atoms is more than the resulting helium atom. The difference in mass is released as energy (heat, sound, radiation-light, x-rays, gamma rays, etc) based on Einstein's E = mC[SUP]2[/SUP].

Kuna hydrogen nyingi sana kwenye jua hivyo basi hii process itachukua mabilioni ya miaka kumaliza hydrogen yote. Hydrogen ikiisha, helium ita-fuse kutengeneza carbon atoms. Baadae carbon ita-fuse kutengeneza iron atoms. Jua litakapoanza tu kutengeneza iron atoms ndio limefikia mwisho wake. The sun will implode to form a supernova.

However, kabla ya kuwa super nova, wakati jua litakapoanza kutengeneza carbon, litaanza kufura na atmosphere yake itafikia orbits za sayari ya Mercury au hata Venus. At that point dunia yetu (Earth) will be incinerated and any form of life will perish. Huu utakuwa mwisho wa dunia.

Kupigwa dharuba na asteroids:
Kuna uwezekano mwengine wa maisha duniani kumalizika kama itapigwa dhoruba na asteroid big enough to decimate it. However, while mwisho wa nguvu za jua hauna utata (utatokea), kukumbwa na asteroid is probabilistic and may never happen during our time on earth.

KIDINI
Mwisho wa dunia kiimani za dini ni kweli. Lakini inahitaji kwanza uelewe falsafa ya hizi dini (imani). Mwisho wa dunia kidini haimaanishi end of planet earth or the dying of our physical bodies. Hapa inabidi ujijue kuwa wewe ni nani (sio your physical body but the essence in you that is supposed to be in the image of GOD).

To understand kiama from the religious point of view you need to find or discover yourself first, and subsequently discover GOD (and I do not mean using your senses of touch, hear, smell, taste or see).

I posted two articles in this forum dealing with the question "WAS JESUS A REAL PERSON" (please follow this thread - https://www.jamiiforums.com/jamii-intelligence/448719-was-jesus-a-real-person.html).

In those two postings I started revealing the meanings contained in the scriptures from the Judeo-Christian perspective. Naomba uziangalie. Once you discover yourself and GOD you will be able to understand spiritual concepts such as:

• Promissed land
  
• Hell
• Heaven
• End of world - Kiama
• Judgement day
• etc.

Ubishi wa kidini
Ukianza kuelezea spiritual concepts kwa kutumia mifano from the physical world you will be confused. This is what is creating ubishi kati ya waumini wa dini na wasiokuwa na dini au watu wa imani nyingine. Spiritual paradigm is different from the physical paradigm even though zinaelezea kitu hicho hicho.

Tuanze na hapa.

 

[think3r91]

Haya, mlolongo huu hapa.

Mwisho wa Dunia:

KISAYANSI
Mwisho wa nguvu za jua:
Dunia yetu ina-support maisha kutokana na energy (nuclear/atomic fusion) itokayo kwenye jua. Kwenye jua every two hydrogen atoms fuse (under enormous gravity) to form one helium atom. The combined mass of the hydrogen atoms is more than the resulting helium atom. The difference in mass is released as energy (heat, sound, radiation-light, x-rays, gamma rays, etc) based on Einstein's E = mC[SUP]2[/SUP].

Kuna hydrogen nyingi sana kwenye jua hivyo basi hii process itachukua mabilioni ya miaka kumaliza hydrogen yote. Hydrogen ikiisha, helium ita-fuse kutengeneza carbon atoms. Baadae carbon ita-fuse kutengeneza iron atoms. Jua litakapoanza tu kutengeneza iron atoms ndio limefikia mwisho wake. The sun will implode to form a supernova.

However, kabla ya kuwa super nova, wakati jua litakapoanza kutengeneza carbon, litaanza kufura na atmosphere yake itafikia orbits za sayari ya Mercury au hata Venus. At that point dunia yetu (Earth) will be incinerated and any form of life will perish. Huu utakuwa mwisho wa dunia.

Kupigwa dharuba na asteroids:
Kuna uwezekano mwengine wa maisha duniani kumalizika kama itapigwa dhoruba na asteroid big enough to decimate it. However, while mwisho wa nguvu za jua hauna utata (utatokea), kukumbwa na asteroid is probabilistic and may never happen during our time on earth.

KIDINI
Mwisho wa dunia kiimani za dini ni kweli. Lakini inahitaji kwanza uelewe falsafa ya hizi dini (imani). Mwisho wa dunia kidini haimaanishi end of planet earth or the dying of our physical bodies. Hapa inabidi ujijue kuwa wewe ni nani (sio your physical body but the essence in you that is supposed to be in the image of GOD).

To understand kiama from the religious point of view you need to find or discover yourself first, and subsequently discover GOD (and I do not mean using your senses of touch, hear, smell, taste or see).

I posted two articles in this forum dealing with the question "WAS JESUS A REAL PERSON" (please follow this thread - https://www.jamiiforums.com/jamii-intelligence/448719-was-jesus-a-real-person.html).

In those two postings I started revealing the meanings contained in the scriptures from the Judeo-Christian perspective. Naomba uziangalie. Once you discover yourself and GOD you will be able to understand spiritual concepts such as:

• Promissed land
  
• Hell
• Heaven
• End of world - Kiama
• Judgement day
• etc.

Ubishi wa kidini
Ukianza kuelezea spiritual concepts kwa kutumia mifano from the physical world you will be confused. This is what is creating ubishi kati ya waumini wa dini na wasiokuwa na dini au watu wa imani nyingine. Spiritual paradigm is different from the physical paradigm even though zinaelezea kitu hicho hicho.

Tuanze na hapa.

umenielezea vizuri mpaka sasa sina mkingamo tena, nimependa ulivyomalizia mkuu kwamba physical and spiritual paradigm can not be explained in the same point of view. may be that was my problem

on the other hand, what i was talking from the very beginning was at that point where i have highlighted. and sure thing i am well satisfied with the explanations.

i happened to pass through the post about " WAS A JESUS A REAL PERSON". and sure thing it is..self-explanatory

 

[Eiyer]

Mi naona kama Sayansi inajikomba kwenye dini
'
Walishakataa haya wanayotuletea,hofu ya ongezeko la watu ni mchezo wa kitoto
'
Dini inaendelea kuwa sahihi tu,sayansi inajua hilo!

 

[IGWE]

Mi naona kama Sayansi inajikomba kwenye dini
'
Walishakataa haya wanayotuletea,hofu ya ongezeko la watu ni mchezo wa kitoto
'
Dini inaendelea kuwa sahihi tu,sayansi inajua hilo!

mmmmmmh_kwa lipi mkuuu...?..anyway ni mtazamo lakini

 

[mwekundu]

I have been recently speculating about the connection existing between how the science foresees the earth with respect to how religion tells us about the end of the world. its quite amusing, yet rises some few questions if both of the two have the hitting target there after.

This journey of speculation started by the time i came across with these topics in physics called THERMODYNAMICS.and in geography HISTORICAL and GEOGRAPHICAL phenomena , the universe.

• thermodynamics The branch of physics dealing with energy (heat energy) in motion between two or many bodies. under this interesting topic, there are two laws which were of my concern, 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics. of the two laws, second law is what i will mainly be talking about here.
• The second thermodynamics law of heat states that "there is constant flow of heat, from the hot object or body to the less hot object or body, and the flow will continue until the state of thermoequilibrium between the bodies is attained"
• historical and geographical phenomena: under this topic i came to learn and see how the earth we living today have, in one way or the other, changed in terms of physical features as lift valleys,mountains and so forth, variation of temperature on earth surfaces causing the frequently rising in temperature and of course changing from the ice age to where we are today.
• the universe here, i looked on the issues as the universe at large. the space and everything it contains including the stars, galaxies and black holes.

According to the fact stated on the 2nd law of thermodynamics, the historical and geographical phenomena of the earth, and of course the universe, here are my intakes as for why i raised the question "DOES SCIENCE CRUSH RELIGION?"

1. If the earth exist in the universe, and in the milky way galaxy with a famous solar system, then since it is in the solar system with the sun as the hottest body in the system, then there has been a flow of heat from the sun to, not only earth, but also other planets to such a way that one day the average temperature on the earth and other planets will be as equal to that of the sun (thermo equilibrium). which means it will approximately have the temperature above 2000 degree Celsius.
   • at this point every living organism and non living organism will not tolerate the temperature or even adapting to the changes, hence the earth will one day end due to this temperature increments.
   • scientific and most observable features includes the constant rise in temperature on earth resulting to the disappearing of the ICE AGE, increasing of the deserts span and least is the global warming to which most people blame the industries.
2. On the other hand, in our holy books i.e quran and bible, (the books with ancient writings and to which we believe were there before modern science) have also talked about this doom's day or the last day on earth. they all claim that those with sin will be burnt to the HELL FIRE. which in one way or the other come to coincide with what the science say.
3. I am not saying or criticizing any of the source but my intake is the two are either supporting or crushing one another.
4. is there really a dooms day? are we all going to see GOD as the holy books say? or are we all gonna die and rot to give a chance for a study of human civilization in 21st century?

This topic always people answer depending on their FAITH,science postulates EVOLUTION and religion CREATION

 

[think3r91]

Mi naona kama Sayansi inajikomba kwenye dini
'
Walishakataa haya wanayotuletea,hofu ya ongezeko la watu ni mchezo wa kitoto
'
Dini inaendelea kuwa sahihi tu,sayansi inajua hilo!

si wakati wote dini inaweza kuwa sahihi kuelezea matukio ya kisayansi na yanamna hii.. Unaweza, kwa manufaa yako binfsi, ukufuatilia kiundani ugomvi uliojitokeza kati ya kanisa na mwanasaynsi galileo, pia na nadharia nzima iliyojitokeza pale kanisa na washika dini wengi walipokuwa wanakataa kusadiki kwamba dunia ni mviringo

 

[think3r91]

This topic always people answer depending on their FAITH,science postulates EVOLUTION and religion CREATION

sure thing, the source of info affects the output for this one but there are people who tries to xplain abit more further by combining the ideas..physical and spoken ideas from both spheres

 

[2013]

Mi naona kama Sayansi inajikomba kwenye dini
'
Walishakataa haya wanayotuletea,hofu ya ongezeko la watu ni mchezo wa kitoto
'
Dini inaendelea kuwa sahihi tu,sayansi inajua hilo!

mkuu unapozungumzia dini ujue sio tu abrahamic religions pekee, kuna hindu, budha, scientology,confucious, and so forth. nijuavyo hakuna kweli mbili, hivyo lazima kuna dini moja ambayo ni sahihi zaidi ya nyingine(sisemi uitaje) thats why sio kitu cha kuhusisha na sayansi.dini inahusika na imani, kama vile sayansi inataka uone ndio uamini, wakati dini inasisitiza uamini kabla hujaona.

 

[2013]

Haya, mlolongo huu hapa.

Mwisho wa Dunia:

KISAYANSI
Mwisho wa nguvu za jua:
Dunia yetu ina-support maisha kutokana na energy (nuclear/atomic fusion) itokayo kwenye jua. Kwenye jua every two hydrogen atoms fuse (under enormous gravity) to form one helium atom. The combined mass of the hydrogen atoms is more than the resulting helium atom. The difference in mass is released as energy (heat, sound, radiation-light, x-rays, gamma rays, etc) based on Einstein's E = mC[SUP]2[/SUP].

Kuna hydrogen nyingi sana kwenye jua hivyo basi hii process itachukua mabilioni ya miaka kumaliza hydrogen yote. Hydrogen ikiisha, helium ita-fuse kutengeneza carbon atoms. Baadae carbon ita-fuse kutengeneza iron atoms. Jua litakapoanza tu kutengeneza iron atoms ndio limefikia mwisho wake. The sun will implode to form a supernova.

However, kabla ya kuwa super nova, wakati jua litakapoanza kutengeneza carbon, litaanza kufura na atmosphere yake itafikia orbits za sayari ya Mercury au hata Venus. At that point dunia yetu (Earth) will be incinerated and any form of life will perish. Huu utakuwa mwisho wa dunia.

Kupigwa dharuba na asteroids:
Kuna uwezekano mwengine wa maisha duniani kumalizika kama itapigwa dhoruba na asteroid big enough to decimate it. However, while mwisho wa nguvu za jua hauna utata (utatokea), kukumbwa na asteroid is probabilistic and may never happen during our time on earth.

KIDINI
Mwisho wa dunia kiimani za dini ni kweli. Lakini inahitaji kwanza uelewe falsafa ya hizi dini (imani). Mwisho wa dunia kidini haimaanishi end of planet earth or the dying of our physical bodies. Hapa inabidi ujijue kuwa wewe ni nani (sio your physical body but the essence in you that is supposed to be in the image of GOD).

To understand kiama from the religious point of view you need to find or discover yourself first, and subsequently discover GOD (and I do not mean using your senses of touch, hear, smell, taste or see).

I posted two articles in this forum dealing with the question "WAS JESUS A REAL PERSON" (please follow this thread - https://www.jamiiforums.com/jamii-intelligence/448719-was-jesus-a-real-person.html).

In those two postings I started revealing the meanings contained in the scriptures from the Judeo-Christian perspective. Naomba uziangalie. Once you discover yourself and GOD you will be able to understand spiritual concepts such as:

• Promissed land
  
• Hell
• Heaven
• End of world - Kiama
• Judgement day
• etc.

Ubishi wa kidini
Ukianza kuelezea spiritual concepts kwa kutumia mifano from the physical world you will be confused. This is what is creating ubishi kati ya waumini wa dini na wasiokuwa na dini au watu wa imani nyingine. Spiritual paradigm is different from the physical paradigm even though zinaelezea kitu hicho hicho.

Tuanze na hapa.

mkuu sayansi inatabia ya kupingana kutokana na maendeleo ya kiteknolojia, mfano,kipindi cha nyuma kuna principle moja inasema atom is the smallest indivisible particleand atom can NOT be created nor destroyed baada ya maendeleo ya ki-atomic na ugunduzi wa nyuklia, wakagundua and atom can be created and destroyed. hivyo the latter statement is nowadays correct na waliosoma zamani kemia watakuwa outdated. experience yangu inanionyesha dini haitaki mageuzi kama hayo hivyo dini na sayansi ni tofauti. unaizungumziaje hii mkuu.

 

[Kifyatu]

mkuu sayansi inatabia ya kupingana kutokana na maendeleo ya kiteknolojia, mfano, zamani vitabu vya chemistry viliweka principle moja inasema atom can not be created nor destroyed baada ya maendeleo ya ki-atomic na ugunduzi wa nyuklia, wakagundua atom can be created and destroyed. hivyo the latter statement is nowadays correct. experience yangu inanionyesha dini haitaki mageuzi kama hayo hivyo dini na sayansi ni tofauti. unaizungumziaje hii mkuu.

Mkuu 2013 nakubaliana na observation zako 100%. Hutapata upinzani kutoka kwangu.

Sayansi:
Uzuri mmoja wa sayansi ni kuwa kama ukweli mbadala ukifahamika basi dhana nayo pia inabadilishwa bila ya kuchinjana. Kwa sababu sayansi ni fact/research-based ukweli mpya ukijulikana basi mtizamo wa sayansi nao unabadilika.

Dini:
Kinachotugawa kwenye dini zetu nyingi ni kwamba, Dini is dogmatic.

Viongozi wengi wa dini huchukulia maandiko ya vitabu vitakatifu (Bibilia, Qu'ran, Torah, etc.) literally. Ukiwahoji chochote kile kuhusu hivi vitabu wanakuambia "hili ni neno la MUNGU". How do you argue or discuss further with a person who has just invoked GOD? We can not summon GOD here to clarify what HE/SHE meant!

I am sorry kusema kuwa mara nyingi haya matatizo yanatokana na ignorance ya hawa tunaowaita viongozi wa dini.

Tatizo kubwa lipo katika kutafsiri haya maandiko matakatifu (spiritual matters or elimu-ahera) kwa kutumia mifano ya hapa duniani (physical world). Nilikwisha eleza sehemu nyingine kuwa all scriptures are written in CODE.

Kwa mfano: Bibilia linapozungumzia kuhusu utumwa wa wana ISRAEL, halizungumzii Wayahudi walivyowekwa utumwani kule Misri (enzi hizo) bali linakuzungumzia wewe (your spiritual self, or ISRAEL) ulivyokuwa utumwani kwa kutojijua na kutoelewa uhusiano wako na the spiritual entity called GOD (Allah, Elohim, Mungu, Nguluvi, Katonga, Zambe, etc.). ISRAEL (Israelites) haimaanishi JEWS!!

Scriptures are living documents, meaning that they are not just history books about what happened in the bygone days but rather vinakuzungumzia wewe, leo.

Once you understand these CODES behind spiritual texts hutaona tofauti ya kinachosemwa na Bibilia (DINI) au anachosema Charles Darwin (SAYANSI).

I hope this helps.

 

[sokwe]

If you ask me who is the greatest scientist of all time, I will simply tell you god.

 

[Kijakazi]

penye red- hii ndo nini?
jua linapotoa miale yake llinapungua size yake na ipo siku litakwisha kabisa na dunia kuwa gizani.
kuyeyuka kwa barafu duniani hakuathiriwi na jua bali human activiies zaidi zinazozalisha carbon na hewa nyingine, volcano,ambavyo vinaua O3(ozone) linalozuia joto la jua kuingia duniani kwa wingi kwa kuweka blanket la joto maarufu kama green house gases linalo zuia joto kutoka kwenye jua kuja duniani lisipotee. hivyo kufanya joto linaloingia kuwaongezeka zaidi. Ongezeko la watu duniani linahofiwa kuzidi carrying capacity zaidi ya bilion 8 huko mbeleni na kuweka hofu mahitaji ya chakula na maji safi na salama ya kunywa, japo umetumia physical science, nahope pia kwenye social science mipango ya kupunguza watu kwa uzazi wa mpango,encourage one baby kama china, vita, maradhi matetemeko, njaa yanaendelea ku-ensure equilibrium. mfano hakuna mwana-sayansi alijua tsunami kubwa kama ile kihistoria ingetokea lakini wanyama walijua wakasepa mapema.
kuchanganya dini na sayansi ni kujenga bifu zito na imani yako, sidhani kama elimu ya waandishi na wanadamu wa kipindi wanaandika hivyo vitabu vyenye upako walikuwa na elimu ya kutosha kama hivi leo. kuna mambo watu wakisoma wanaishia ku-skip tu, na vitabu hivyo kwa kila kimoja zina hoja zinazopingana sana na hili sio siri bali halizungumzwi kwa uhuru pia uchunguzi unaonyesha imani hizi za mashariki ya kati na kwingineko hazikuanza kama zinavyoonekana bali zimekuwa zikijibadilisha kiujanjaujanja(harmonizing) ziweze kuendana na utamaduni na upeo wa watu waliopo kwa wakati huo.ikitokea wanasayansi wakaweza kumwongezea mtu miaka 100 zaid ya kuishidini hizi zitajifanya kudai zilijua na imeandikwa, au wakigundua hakuna dumzdei zita-oblitter mistari iendane na wakati huo.
kwa kutumia physics wanaanga waliokwenda mwezini na kwenye space na mars hawajamwona mungu hivyo hawawezi kuthibitisha uwepo wake.wanachohisi kuna uwezekano wa kuwepo extraterestrial being ambao wanatechnology kubwa kuliko ya kwetu hapa duniani, lakini utafitii bado unaendelea.
kuhusu dumzdei hiyo kitu imekaa kiimani zaidi haiwafai etheist free thinker japo umegusia blackhole, kuna probability kubwa ya universe yetu ikitokea ikaingia kwenye blackhole na hapo inaweza kuwa ndio doomsday

Mimi natoka nje ya mada kidogo!
kutokana na maelezo mazuri na yanayoeleweka Je, hauoni kama muda umefika sasa wa kufundisha kwa Kiswahili kuanzia Chekechea mpaka Chuo Kikuu? kwa maana watu wengi wamekuwa wakipinga kwamba hilo haliwezekani kwa sababu ya udahifu wa Lugha yetu, mbona wewe umeweza kulezea mambo ya kisayansi kwa Kiswahili na umeeleweka? tatizo liko wapi?

 

[IGWE]

If you ask me who is the greatest scientist of all time, I will simply tell you god.

But why....?....tell me why and how mkuu.....mmmmmh?

 

[chilubi]

Mkuu 2013 nakubaliana na observation zako 100%. Hutapata upinzani kutoka kwangu.

Sayansi:
Uzuri mmoja wa sayansi ni kuwa kama ukweli mbadala ukifahamika basi dhana nayo pia inabadilishwa bila ya kuchinjana. Kwa sababu sayansi ni fact/research-based ukweli mpya ukijulikana basi mtizamo wa sayansi nao unabadilika.

Dini:
Kinachotugawa kwenye dini zetu nyingi ni kwamba, Dini is dogmatic.

Viongozi wengi wa dini huchukulia maandiko ya vitabu vitakatifu (Bibilia, Qu'ran, Torah, etc.) literally. Ukiwahoji chochote kile kuhusu hivi vitabu wanakuambia "hili ni neno la MUNGU". How do you argue or discuss further with a person who has just invoked GOD? We can not summon GOD here to clarify what HE/SHE meant!

I am sorry kusema kuwa mara nyingi haya matatizo yanatokana na ignorance ya hawa tunaowaita viongozi wa dini.

Tatizo kubwa lipo katika kutafsiri haya maandiko matakatifu (spiritual matters or elimu-ahera) kwa kutumia mifano ya hapa duniani (physical world). Nilikwisha eleza sehemu nyingine kuwa all scriptures are written in CODE.

Kwa mfano: Bibilia linapozungumzia kuhusu utumwa wa wana ISRAEL, halizungumzii Wayahudi walivyowekwa utumwani kule Misri (enzi hizo) bali linakuzungumzia wewe (your spiritual self, or ISRAEL) ulivyokuwa utumwani kwa kutojijua na kutoelewa uhusiano wako na the spiritual entity called GOD (Allah, Elohim, Mungu, Nguluvi, Katonga, Zambe, etc.). ISRAEL (Israelites) haimaanishi JEWS!!

Scriptures are living documents, meaning that they are not just history books about what happened in the bygone days but rather vinakuzungumzia wewe, leo.

Once you understand these CODES behind spiritual texts hutaona tofauti ya kinachosemwa na Bibilia (DINI) au anachosema Charles Darwin (SAYANSI).

I hope this helps.

Mkuu, kidogo nkukosoe hapo kwenye watu wanaotafsiri literally. Sio wote kabisa. Kwa mfano katika uislam kuna dhehebu moja la kiibadhi (ibadhism) hawa jamaa wana dig deep katika "Quran", wanaitumia quran yenyewe kujitafsiri panapohitajika, wanakuchambulia neno kwa neno. Hebu siku moja usione tabu nenda msikiti wa ibadhi (Ilala au Kitumbini kama upo dar) omba upatiwe mtu mwenye elimu, kisha muulize maswali mawili matatu kuhusu akhera/dunia atakupa elimu, sio lazima usilimu kama hutaki lakini angalau upate elimu, uone kuwa kuna watu wana dig deep katika vitabu takatifu na kuna watu wanachukulia vitu easy easy tu. Tena uzuri wa hawa jamaa ni kuwa sio tu wanatumia hoja za kidini, bali wanatumia akili pia katika kukufanya uelewe jambo. Maana kuna masheikh wengine wao ukiwafuata ukiwaambia mbona jambo fulani hivi, anakukafirisha apo apo, hataki uhoji, lakini hawa maibadhi watakuruhusu kutumia akili yako ili waone umeelewa nini na watatumia akili ili kukuelewesha hoja ya dini ama amri ya dini!