East African Federation (EAF) public Views

East African Federation (EAF) public Views

This is a reply to Mzalendo halisi message.

Let me ask you Mr. Mzalendo halisi. How much did Amin's Uganda spend in military before its invasion to Tanzania? And, where is Amin now?
 
wasike Wasike said:
I am Kenyan.
I have been reading contributions from my Tanzanian brothers for the past one month. I like the openness - i respect opinions, especially those against EA federation.

It is probably true that Kenyans and Ugandans would be rough players, unfair competitors for fair, peace-loving Tanzanians. Rwanda and Burundi have many wounds to heal after the 1990's genocide.

The truth is:
1) Many countries of the world are benefiting from unions - take the United States for example, during the civil war, millions of people from southern states did not support the federation. The union was not formed until the northern states (led by the Union Army) defeated the southern Confederate soldiers. People lost their lives.

2) Another example - is the EU. Citizens of member states of the EU can't be any happier. Benefits range from economic, social and political. The only way to influence the world today is when you have influence. Influence begins with population and economic might, and political stability. If other people are sitting and articulating policies in one voice, how come we can't do it.

3) Incase of a war (God forbid) - just like in 1994 Tanzania will be forced to accept refugees from neighboring countries. The same thing happened in the 70's when Uganda wa fighting. Tanzanians are very generous people - and we (other EAC) countries ought to sit down, listen and learn the secret to fairness, kindness, and generosity. The point is, when one is in trouble, they seek help from the closest neighbor before they go somewhere else. I like South Africa and its politics – However, it would wrong, in my opinion, for Tanzania to view South Africa as a closer ally than Kenya, Uganda and our brother in Rwanda and Burundi. We have many things in common and we need to accept this as a fact.

4) The Hutu and Tutsi people will NOT be a problem for EAC - why? Because any kind of battle will not be against each other, but rather against other 110 million people in other states. When E Africans embrace Rwanda and Burundi, the rebels against the 2 governments will loose it place. We, Kenya Tanzania and Uganda, have a responsibility to help these countries heal their wounds – through EA federation.

5) What about the LRA and Charles Kony in Uganda? He will be tamed too. He will no longer have Ugandan government as the enemy - and he will NOT attempt to fight an Army representing more than 100 million people.

6) Kenyan tribalism will have NO PLACE in the federation. The aggressive Luo leaders will have to convince 100 million people that they are worth being leaders before they are voted in. Guess what - if we do not like them, they can't force their way to presidency. The same with Kikuyus - they will no longer be thinking about themselves as being the majority tribe. I am from the Luhya tribe - we vote for leaders from different political parties, not like the former two that only vote for certain people when instructed by their political and tribal chiefs. The Kamba, Somali, Mijikenda (including the sociable Swahili) and of late the Kalenjins are very diverse in political choices. There are many people in Kenya who are tired of the Kikuyu-Luo domination. The point i am trying to make is: EA federation will help Kenyans think beyond their tribes. I know millions of people are willing to do exactly that. Corruption will also die because a corrupt Kenyan, will anger not just a section of Kenyans, but also more than 70 million East Africans. The latter from a majority – so impeachment will be a common term. We will NOT stand any unfairness perpetrated on any of our citizens.

The Way out:

1) If, and when we form a federation, views (especially dissenting) - like the ones being voiced in this forum MUST be taken seriously. Representatives from different countries will be looking for a common ground to accommodate everyone’s concerns. Laws (and many of them) will be drafted that will not favor any tribe or country. Already, Tanzanians are complaining of anticipated domination by other citizens. Regulations will be put in place to be fair to every group, region and country.
2) We should not worry about current presidents being presidents of the Union. My take on this is that, our laws will include regulations about presidency – say it’s rotating presidency – restricted to 2 terms, by the time it passes around to 2-3 states, the current presidents will be too old and they would not be serious contenders. Again, say if Kibaki or Museveni runs, and we do not like him – we choose someone else. The union will not be run like a military regime. Wananchi will have an option of rejecting non popular leaders.


I hope you read all the above. Kwaherini ndugu zangu.
mzatiti@yahoo.com
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I see now we are starting on issues! Congratulations! May all of us start on these lines?

Beacsue as i said earlier, arguments about who is who are a rather childish. Worst, insults are a lowest point one can go.

Who is the owner of this forum? I will suggest he/she put out the vitriol, abakishe mambo muhimu tuuu!

Ukishaanza kutukana ina maana huna la kutuambia, na hakuna mwenye kutaka kusikia matusi!
 
I better repeat this now... We've been watching whatever people are posting. We've tried to prune those being harshy ones. Inakuwa ngumu kuzikata kila moja kwani kila unapoipunguza ukali wa maneno wanaamua kuja kwa lugha ya kuonewa na kuwa ni ubaguzi.

Kuongelea Federation ya Afrika Mashariki haimaanishi kutukanana au kutoa lugha za kuwakashifu wenzako. Yanayoandikwa humu aidha yajulikane wazi si mawazo ya JamboForums bali ni mawazo ya watu waliochangia kwenye hoja flani.

Tunaangalia uwezekano wa kuziweka kwa lugha ya kiswahili sheria zetu ili ziweze kueleweka kwa wote ili pindi mtu akiweka post akakuta imefutwa arejee kwenye sheria na kanuni zetu.

Inasikitisha ila sasa inabidi tutambue kuwa tunatakiwa kutoa hoja za msingi na si hoja za nguvu na kukashifiana kwa namna yoyote ile.

Nawatakia juma jema na uchangiaji mwema wa mada zinazoendelea kwenye Jamvi letu hili.

Regards
 
Nadhani watu wengi hawapendi kuambiwa wakoje. Kuna watu wanalalamika kwamaba wamekashifiwa! Kukuanbia wewe uko hivi sina maana nimekukashifu kama ni kweli unajijua uko hivyo.

Kuingia kwenye EAF italeta uhusiano katika mambo mengi sana. Kwanza kabla hujaamua kuungana na jirani yako kwa jambo lolote, lazima uzijue tabia zake na ujue madhara yatakayotokana na hizo tabia mkiwa katika utekelezaji wa jambo lenu. EAF imechochewa hasa na kutaka faida za kiuchumi kuliko jingine lolote. Na ndugu zetu wa kenya ndio wanalolisizitiza zaidi. Pamoja na faida za kiuchumi ambazo tutaweza pata, kijamii kama hatutakuwa tunaenda vizuri basi uchumi pia hautaenda mbali. Kumbukeni tuliwahi ingia kwenye kitu kama hiki miaka michache tu iliyo pita, kilianguka vibaya! Je, matatizo yaliyopelekea kuangaka sasa hayapo?. Uganda kidemokrasia iko hoi, kwani M7 hajaweka taasisi imara za kidemokrasia, bado kuna vita wakipigania haki zao za msingi.

Kwa nini tusivute muda kuipa uganda muda kuweka nchi pazuri badala kuharakisha EAF? Kenya wanajiona wao "Super Power", kwa nini tusivute muda ili Tz na Uganda angalau wa vute kamba kuwakaribia? Tz bado ni maskini sana kwa nini wasipewe muda kuweka sawa mambo yao kiuchumi ili wawakaribe majirani zao. Kenya pia jamii yao imeparanganyikana, ina makundi ya kikabila, maskini(wengi sana) sana na matajiri sana(wachache sana) na rushwa iko juu zaidi.

Kwa nini tusichukue miaka kama 50 hivi kurekebisha haya yote hala tuingie EAF badala ya ku ''Fast track" wakati jamii iko imbalanced?

Naona EAF bado haifai kwa sasa.
 
Kama Tanzania imeshindwa kudhibiti wageni lukuki wanaofanya kazi ambazo watanzania wanaweza kufanya, tukijiunga watanzania si ndo watakuwa manamba wa kufa? Viongozi wanakimbilia kuungana bila kuangalia maharamia wa nchi za jirani, Asia walivyojinyakulia nafasi nyingi bora kwenye maeneo ya kazi. Uongozi mbovu kama huu bora hata Tanzania yenyewe igawanywe kwanza kabla ya kufikiria EAC.

Wanapita wapi kuingia hapa TZ kama si mikononi mwa serikali. Vyombo vya usalama viko wapi? Vinalipwa? Ndiyo! Vinafanya nini? Kuwakandamiza watanzania haohao wanojitolea kodi kuwalipa mshahara!
 
Mnakumbuka na mmesoma katika vyombo vya habari kuwa Wabunge 4 wa CHADEMA (Halima Mdee, Zitto Kabwe, Maulidah Anna Komu na Chacha Wangwe) walitoka nje kususia uchaguzi wa wabunge wa Afrika Mashariki. Pia wabunge wote wa CUF walitoka nje.

Nawaletea barua ambayo Zitto aliandika kwa Katibu wa Bunge mwezi mmoja kabla ya uchaguzi, akikumbushia barua yake ya miezi miwili kabla ya uchaguzi. Masuala yote hayakufanyiwa kazi. Hata majibu hakujibiwa.

Huu ndio msingi wa kususia uchaguzi na kisha kwenda mahakamani. Halima Mdee ndie wakili wa kesi hiyo kamambe.

Barua ni Hii







Dar es Salaam
1/10/2006
Katibu wa Bunge
Bunge la Jamhuri ya Muungano wa Tanzania
Ofisi ndogo ya Bunge
Dar es Salaam.


Ndugu,

UCHAGUZI WA WABUNGE WA BUNGE LA AFRIKA MASHARIKI KUTOKA JAMHURI YA MUUNGANO WA TANZANIA

Tarehe 11/9/2006 nilikuandikia barua kuhusiana na somo hilo hapo juu. Mpaka ninapokuandikia leo sijapata majibu ya barua hiyo wala maelekezo yeyote kuhusiana masuala niliyoyaeleza.

Pia tarehe 27/9/2006 nilikutana na wewe ofisi kwako na kujadili masuala hayo ambapo uliniahidi kuwasilisha masuala hayo kwa Spika wa Bunge Mhe. Samwel John Sitta.

Napenda nichukue fursa hii kukumbusha masuala niliyoyataja katika barua yangu ambayo kambi ya upinzani inahitaji majibu ili iweze kujiandaa na uchaguzi huo.

Kwanza, kufuatia kuongezeka kwa wabunge wa kambi ya Upinzani katika Bunge kutoka asilimia saba (7%) mpaka asilimia (14%), yaani kutoka wabunge 17 mwaka 2001 mpaka wabunge 45 mwaka 2006, kambi ya upinzani inaomba na inastahili kuongezewa nafasi ya uwakilishi katika Bunge la Afrika Mashariki EALA kutoka nafasi moja (1) mpaka mbili (2). Kwa mujibu wa kanuni 11(3) ya kanuni za uteuzi wa wabunge wa Afrika Mashariki (kiambatanisho cha III cha kanuni za Bunge la Tanzania toleo la mwaka 2004) kundi C ndio kundi la wagombea wa vyama vya upinzani.

Kwa kuwa kanuni 11(3) haitaji idadi ya wabunge katika kila kundi ( hivyo, idadi ya wagombea si suala la kikanuni kama inavyodhaniwa na wengi), Msimamizi wa uchaguzi unapaswa kumjulisha Mheshimiwa Spika juu ya mabadiliko ya uwakilishi wa vyama Bungeni (parliamentary groups configuration) ili aweze kutangaza mgawanyo mpya wa wabunge wa kila kundi (A, B, C na D).

Mgawanyo huu ujulishwe kwa vyama vya siasa mapema iwezekanavyo kabla ya tarehe 30 Oktoba saa 10 kamili jioni ili kurutubisha mchakato ndani ya vyama vya siasa.

Pili, Mkataba wa Jumuiya ya Afrika Mashariki unataka wabunge wa Bunge la EALA waoneshe sura ya kisiasa ya nchi mwanachama. Katika masuala niliyokuletea nilikukumbusha kuwa katika wabunge wanaotoka Zanzibar ni lazima hali ya kisiasa Zanzibar ionekane. Hivyo, Katika kundi B (wagombea kutoka Zanzibar) ni lazima kuwe na mgombea wa chama cha upinzani chenye uwakilishi Zanzibar. Lengo ni kutoa sura halisi ya kisiasa ya nchi ili kutimiza matakwa ya mkataba.
Ni makosa makubwa katika kundi la Zanzibar kupeleka wabunge wote kutoka Chama Cha Mapinduzi (CCM) kama ilivyo sasa.

Tatu, Wagombea wa Ubunge wa Afrika Mashariki wanapaswa kutoka katika vyama vyenye Wabunge ndani ya Bunge la Jamhuri ya Muungano wa Tanzania. Mwaka 2001 makosa ya kikanuni yalifanyika kwa Katibu wa Bunge (Msimamizi wa Uchaguzi) kuandika barua kwa Makatibu wakuu wa vyama ili vyama viteue wagombea. Mwaka huu makosa hayo yamerudiwa.

Kwa mujibu wa kanuni 13(3) ya kanuni za Bunge la Jamahuri ya Muungano wa Tanzania toleo la mwaka 2004, chama maana yake ni kamati za vyama vya siasa zilizotajwa katika kanuni ya 83A ya kanuni za Bunge.

Kanuni ya 83A inasema “Wabunge wa kila chama cha siasa kinachowakilishwa Bungeni wanaweza kuunda kamati ya Wabunge wote wa chama hicho kwa kuzingatia katiba, Kanuni na taratibu za chama kinachohusika. Isipokuwa endapo makubaliano yamefikiwa kama inavyoelezwa katika kanuni 11(4), Wabunge wa kambi ya Upinzani waweza kuunda kamati ya Wabunge wote wa kambi hiyo”. Msisitizo ni wangu.

Katika Bunge la Tanzania kuna kamati mbili tu za Vyama - Kamati ya Wabunge wa CCM na Kamati ya Wabunge wa Upinzani.

Kanuni hizi zinamfanya Katibu wa Bunge kuwasiliana na Makatibu wa Kamati za vyama ndani ya Bunge na wala sio makatibu wakuu wa vyama kama inavyofanyika sasa.

Vile vile, msimamizi wa uchaguzi anapaswa kupokea fomu za wagombea zilizowekwa sahihi na makatibu wa kamati za vyama na wala sio makatibu wakuu wa vyama vya siasa. Tofauti na hivyo ni kuvunja kanuni za Bunge na vile vile kuvunja misingi ya demokrasia ambayo Bunge linapaswa kuilinda, kuitetea na kuienzi kwa nguvu zake zote.

Kwa kuwa bado tunao muda wa kutosha kurekebisha mapungufu yaliyojitokeza, nakuomba uzingatie hoja zetu nilizozieleza wazi wazi katika barua yangu ya tarehe 11/9/2006.

Ni matumaini yangu makubwa sasa kuwa utashughlikia masuala haya haraka na kutoa taarifa kwa vyama kabla vikao vya uteuzi havijakaa. Ni matumaini yangu pia utatafakari hoja zetu hizi kwa kuzingatia kanuni za Bunge na pia uzalendo kwa nchi yetu bila upendeleo wa aina yeyote. Nina imani kubwa na uadilifu wako kwa Bunge letu tukufu na pia utendaji wako usio kuwa na chembe ya ubaguzi.

Natanguliza shukrani za dhati,


Kabwe Z. Zitto, Mb

Katibu – Kamati ya Wabunge wa Upinzani


Nakala:

Spika, Bunge la Jamhuri ya Muungano wa Tanzania
 
Have you been to Tanzania? I am here. I think Tanzania dont need to wait, Tanzania should stop thinking about East Africa. After all ordinary people have never and will never get the benefits if at all we'll join. Tanzania can join effectively only if everything is sold including government.

If we sold public enterprises for reason that they were not perfoming, why not government which is at sleep? The best option Tanzanians have is to form a federation within itself before thinking of EAF. Private sector is doing well, improved quality/quantity than before, good management, paying taxes which of course we here it in figures but nothing has changed in public services. The government is proud of improving infrastructure especially road transport, but indeed we have borrowed to finance it! Ordinary Tanzanians dont know they'll pay for it + interest.

Generally the private sector is nourishing but covered with thorns and bushes from gvts' very poor administration system you have ever seen. The only obstacle to the EAF is the leadership itself, peolple arent convinced that this gvt will do anything better for their country after joining. They have failed as single entity, how can they as a big EAF?

If you take a look at illegal immigrants working in Tanzania, and here the public voices condemning it with no any sort of reaction from government, you'll get the point why most Tanzanians dont want EAF.
kassamv@yahoo.com.
 
Kassam said:
Have you been to Tanzania? I am here. I think Tanzania dont need to wait, Tanzania should stop thinking about East Africa. After all ordinary people have never and will never get the benefits if at all we'll join. Tanzania can join effectively only if everything is sold including government. If we sold public enterprises for reason that they were not perfoming, why not government which is at sleep? The best option Tanzanians have is to form a federation within itself before thinking of EAF. Private sector is doing well, improved quality/quantity than before, good management, paying taxes which of course we here it in figures but nothing has changed in public services. The government is proud of improving infrastructure especially road transport, but indeed we have borrowed to finance it! Ordinary Tanzanians dont know they'll pay for it + interest.
Generally the private sector is nourishing but covered with thorns and bushes from gvts' very poor administration system you have ever seen. The only obstacle to the EAF is the leadership itself, peolple arent convinced that this gvt will do anything better for their country after joining. They have failed as single entity, how can they as a big EAF?
If you take a look at illegal immigrants working in Tanzania, and here the public voices condemning it with no any sort of reaction from government, you'll get the point why most Tanzanians dont want EAF.
kassamv@yahoo.com.
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Indeed, Kassam.

Watanzania no kama kondoo aliyekosa mchungaji kwenye mbuga za malisho zenye wanyama wakali na wenye njaa. Watanzania watakuwa mbuzi wa shughuli! (ceremonial/sacrificial lamb)!

Tunaposema tusitishe mambo hayo kidogo nikwa sababu tungependa tuupe muda uongozi wetu ujipange kutuongoza sawa sawa kwenye mchakato huo. Ilivyo sasa hivi ... Mbuzi wa shughuli!
 
Damit guys.This site is freaking explosive.Time for me to changia.Of cause I have views a Tznia don't want to hear.Fisrt we r not nyangaus.Of couse we r disintergrated along tribal lines(just like any other society from Usa to the so called amani-tz).It comes in many ways man against woman,vijana kwa wazee,among nations(Cuba & Usa),White & black(Usa),rich & poor(TZ),of course among tribes (Kenye as u Say it) or even just within nations(Tz & Zan) even among Africans or black against black.

The thing is the benefits of a fed go beyond the pride we have in our tiny little countries.With the huge population turned into informed human capital every one of us will benefit.This something that of cause everyone must be suspicious about.But then the zeal by Rwanda & Buru shows that it is what u beliave in not what u think mean percieve u r.The fomer failed bcos it did not proper legal politcal & econ binding well spelt out on.Of cause Njojo as u say it is among those who r top blame.If u dont Know he is still oppossing up to now.Dont listen to him he uselessnow.

Nations that prosper in the mdern world have base economieslike the Us b4 any b4 any of their prods go to the outside world ,they aready have sold 60%localy of course with higher return compared to the other side.Let us look at the economic & political development of the outside world & ask ourselves if we stand a chance to even b recongnized the way we are.
 
Ndabita, hiyo blogger inanilazimisha kufanya usajili, mi sipendi kusajiliwa kule nifanyeje? huwezi kutumwagia madude hapa? kwani hiyo ni wewe umeandika kwa Spika? Nilikuwa nakusubiria kwa usongo uje na madudez
 
Hawa jamaa inabidi wajifunze kupendana wenyewe kwanza kabla hatujawakaribisha EAC!, otherwise, badala ya kujadili maendeleo tutakuwa tunaamulia maugomvi yao kila leo.
 
East Africa Federation

Let me start by saying that, most of the comments from Kenya if not all would like this federation, ask them why? They will come with same explanation and comments all the time about the benefits of this federation.

Who knows better about true union? (Tanganyika & Zanzibar formed Tanzania, so ask yourself). Majority of Tanzanians know the pros and cons, so our Nyang’aus should ask themselves Kulikoni?

Its true, Nyang’aus benefited a lot from the former EAC and they saw the results at that time which they continued to enjoy until today, I remember Kenya took the aircrafts from EAA and one aeroplane was detained in TZ for some time. So they know very well that things will go their way as the old days.

Unfortunately the Nyang’aus preaches that TZ is very poor, ask yourself who is poor? The person who buys your commodity? Most of the Kenyan products are sold in TZ, in other words amongst the biggest trading partner in the region. If for sure TZ is so poor does the Nyang’au feed this poor population of TZ? Do they bring these goods free of charge?

TZ’s pay for these goods, how they pay is non of anybody’s business, we had this same story about being poor or whatsoever, but remember the Katrina hurricane in USA, the Americans failed to cope with it for some time. Right now people are afraid of the Chinese economy but few years ago it was a different story ….. communists blab bla bla…..

We have big problems in the border between Kenya and TZ in Mara region where people are killing each other and stories coming from Kenya of tribal killings, AK47 being sold in markets, failure of good governance and sanitation problems in Nairobi (Unavailability of toilets – the only way is to put your goods in a plastic bag) (Mind you this is not my words from your fellow Kenyan who was bombarded with plastic bags in the morning) and other towns, rich and civilised Kenya cannot sort these problems out eh? But would like to sort-out TZ economic or whatever you call it, Rwanda and Burundi internal conflicts and not forgetting M7 failure to control his northern part of Uganda where children brandish AK47 since he took power etc. Don’t cheat yourself?

At the moment after a long help to our brothers and sisters to liberate them from colonialism its time to build our country as the saying goes charity begins at home. (Not forgetting one dictator in Uganda) Nyang’aus and the like should just go on with their business. Our programme to eradicate poverty in our country does not need Nyang’aus, M7 or any other as right now we are in control of our own destiny.

The majority of Tanzanians do not wish this Fed to happen because we know the history, and normally history repeats itself. Kenya and any other friendly countries should first sort out their own problems before embarking on bigger things which are beyond their means.

Ask the supporters if they know the mandate of this Federation? No.
Where is this hidden constitution? Nobody cares.
Who made it? Does it really matter.
I hope it’s not a secret, unless it’s a constitution for secret dealings…..well. If all the above aren’t clear why all the fuss…………..

Regards

MTZ001
 
wOrM said:
ndabita, hiyo blogger inanilazimisha kufanya usajili, mi sipendi kusajiliwa kule nifanyeje? huwezi kutumwagia madude hapa? kwani hiyo ni wewe umeandika kwa Spika? Nilikuwa nakusubiria kwa usongo uje na madudez
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Leo nimesikia kupitia kwa Dr. Willibrod Slaa,Katibu Mkuu wa CHADEMA kuwa Spika wa Bunge amenitaka niombe radhi kwa kusema kuwa ama hajui kanuni au anapindisha kanuni ili kusaidia Chama cha Mapinduzi. Nimepewa mpaka tarehe 11 nov kuomba radhi. Kwanza siji ni kwa nini Spika wetu Mhe. Samwel John Sitta anaanza kufuata nyayo zile zile za Spika aliyemtangulia. Bunge linaanza kugeuzwa mahakama.

Spika Sitta tangu ameiingia katika kiti amekuwa mstari wa mbele sana kuliimarisha Bunge kama asasi. Katika hili nimekuwa nikimuunga mkono na kumpa moyo sana kwani ndio legacy yake.

Sitta amekuwa akipigwa vita na baadhi ya wabunge wa CCM kiasi cha kuanza kufikiria kumtoa katika nafsi yake. Mimi niliwasikia wabunge wa CCM kwa masikio yangu na ninaweza kuwataja kwa majina wakilalamika kwamba Spika anapendela wapinzani na kwamba inabidi wamtoe. Waziri Mkuu amekuwa akilalama chini chini juu ya Spika kwamba analipa nguvu Bunge ili kumdhibiti yeye. Na hivi sasa Waziri Mkuu amepanga timu ya wabunge kupinga mabadiliko ya kanuni za Bunge ambazo Sitta anataka ziboreshwe.
Sitta ni mwanasheria mahiri.

Amekaa nje ya Bunge kwa Miaka kumi na hivyo akaja na mawazo mazuri sana ya kuliboresha Bunge. Mimi nimekuwa miongoni mwa wabunge wa mbele kabisa katika kuhakikisha nia ya Spika kuimarisha Bunge inatimia. Mimi nitakuwa wa mwisho kumyundermine. Spika anajua ananipenda sana na amekuwa akinipa moyo sana katika kazi zangu za ubunge. Mimi namwona kama njia ya kuimarisha demokrasia nchini kwetu.

Lakini juzi Spika amevunja kanuni za Bunge. Mimi sio mnafiki. Nitasema hili mbele yake.Kwamba amevunja kanuni ama bila kujua au kwa makusudi. Hili la bila kujua kwangu lina uzito mdogo. Hili la pili la makusudi ni kubwa zaidi. Amevunja kanuni ili kuridhisha chama chake ambacho yeye ni mjumbe wa Kamati Kuu. Spika Sitta, alikuwa akijua kuwa anavunja kanuni. Mimi namjua. Nilivyomwona anavyoongea, na alponikatalia kuongea na kuomba ufafanuzi nikajua hapa Spika anavunja kanuni makusudi. CCM wanambana Spika. CCM wanatuharibia Spika wetu. Spika ambae ni tegemeo la wabunge na wananchi ili kuifanya serikali ifanye kazi. Watu walienda kumshtaki kwa Rais kuwa anaibana sana serikali.

Waziri Mkuu Lowasa ndie alifanya hivyo. Najua. Spika sasa ile kasi na viwango inamwishia. Namwambia Spika, asitishwe na hao wahafidhina wa CCM wasiotaka mabadiliko. Umefanya mabadiliko makubwa TIC, ni lazima ufanye mabadiliko ya Bunge. Historia itakuandika vizuri. Achana na vitisho vya kina Lowassa wasiopenda demokrasia ishamiri. Najua wewe ni muumini wa demokrasia.

Spika aliamua kuvunja kanuni ili kusaidia chama chake. Huu ndio msimamo wangu. Sitabadilika.

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I am Kenyan and after reading all the crap you think about us, Tanzania is the last place I want to visit or live on earth. You are welcome to live in Kenya. We do not hate anybody.
 
Unregistered said:
I am Kenyan and after reading all the crap you think about us, Tanzania is the last place I want to visit or live on earth. You are welcome to live in Kenya. We do not hate anybody.
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Don't even think of coming down here, we have alot of Kenyans a.k.a Nyang'aus already greedly roaming around. One thing you need to know, Kenyans are so self centred. I'm personally a victim of Kenyan discrimination; I worked for a Kenyan company with almost 90% kenyans of the same tribe.

These ppl are surely arrongant, selfish and foreign culture worshipers- you would think they are British, they way they treat you if you dont speak english! They belielive intelligence resides in english language. Njonjo descendant!

I cant imagine have ferderation with these ppl, civil war is inevitable.
 
TzPride said:
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Don't even think of coming down here, we have alot of Kenyans a.k.a Nyang'aus already greedly roaming around. One thing you need to know, Kenyans are so self centred. I'm personally a victim of Kenyan discrimination; I worked for a Kenyan company with almost 90% kenyans of the same tribe. These ppl are surely arrongant, selfish and foreign culture worshipers- you would think they are British, they way they treat you if you dont speak english! They belielive intelligence resides in english language. Njonjo descendant!

I cant imagine have ferderation with these ppl, civil war is inevitable.
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It's apparent u hate Kenyans with a passion.Good for u.Your hate is somehow helping unite the Kenyans.A trol through the Kenyan blodworld will confirm that.Your hate,our gain.You dig.
 
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It's apparent u hate Kenyans with a passion.Good for u.Your hate is somehow helping unite the Kenyans.A trol through the Kenyan blodworld will confirm that.Your hate,our gain.You dig.
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I don't its really hate, just an experience, may be a bitter one since he found how difficult it was for him to intergrate. It is an experience I have head time and again from tanzanians who have worked in kenya. some have lost their lives! Tanzanians are very welcoming, ask any kenyan who has lived in tz. So it must be a shock to find the opposite in Ke.

So, we have a lot of uncommons that need to be ironed out before this fed thing. One basic of which is how to accomodate the other, both at individual level and finally at national level.
 
Pole sana kakangu! Hii ndiyo siasa ya nchi yetu. Lakini nina imani kuna watu wenye hekima kubwa hapa na naamini kwakuwa umelifikisha mbele ya baraza hili utasaidiwa mawazo yenye hekima kuu.

Hii imenigusa nikaonelea ni vema nikupe pole. Ninachokuomba ni kuwa imara katika uaminicho. Usije kuwa walewale (vigeugeu). Nahisi uko upinzani (kwa mawazo yangu) ingawa sina hakika.

Aidha nawaomba wanabodi kama mmemwelewa mwenzetu msaidieni. Kwa kufatilia alichokuwa anaandika hapo awali nimepata picha flani ambayo inanipelekea kuwaomba wanabodi kumpa mawazo juu ya NINI AFANYE. Naamini pamoja tunaweza. Haya ni mawazo yangu binafsi...

Inshallah (Leo niko visible 🙂 )
 
Sasa,
kwasababu kesi hiyo sasa hivi itaamuliwa na mahakama,
yeye anaweza kumuomba apology tu ya kiutu uzima.

Unajua hao ni madikteta ccm na wako zaidi ya 300 bungeni vs huyu mbunge mmoja wa chadema, they can still dectect taking into considerations that they want to eliminate opossiton,

But that just the way i see it.
 
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