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FROM LONDON - UK
WHOM DO YOU THINK YOU CAN LIE TO? MR. MKEYA- ORIGI YOU KNOW FOR SURE THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING BACK IN KENYA, EVEN THE LAND YOUR ANCESTORS LEFT TO YOU. THE MOI'S AND ALIKES SOLD TO THE BRITS THAT IS WHY YOU THINK TO COME AND SETTLE IN TZ. WHAT WE TZ'S SAY IS THAT WE DON'T WANT FEDERATION PERIOD.
YOU HAVE EVEN FAILED TO CONVICT MOI AND HIS BROTHERS WHO STOLE YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY. YOU CAN'T SHIFT YOUR PROBLEMS.
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You are such a fool..one of those that I 'm talking about...Is that the reason why you are in london, ?? and what have you done with the land "you have" back in Tanzania ?? Umepanda minazi ...What does Moi have to do with Tz ??When will people like you start thinking ?? What do you know about Kenya anyway ?? DUMB ASS.
mKENYA-ORIGI.. Get that !!!
mKENYA-ORIGI.. Get that !!!
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foolish tanzanian cleaning white ass in london you have such a gut, muthafucka, tz is the most corrupt country in east africa, the land u think u got is not even good enuff to feed ur arses thas why u import all ur food and get debt relief, fuckin ass u r the perfect slave , u arse, u better kiss ur old white seniors arse in UK and then you go out and lie u r doing business in UK, we know what u tz are doing in UK trying to claim refugee status. u bogus refugee. if u had land in tz you'd b farming it not cleaning white arse in london,and if tz was soo good u wouldn't b in london thinkin how u will never go back to ur tz, https://jamii.app/JFUserGuide u man,
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So ,The toughest and brightest is in UK doing business,If you can display such a lack of knowledge ,writting all over here that you are in "UK" where do you think some of us are ?? why are you wasting your precious time and money at a cyber cafe trying to "kutisha" watu..?Top ten ..since you can write in english..makes you think you are there ..DUMB ASS..LOL ..If you display such arrogance ,..what do I expect from your brothers back in Bongo ?? Ha haaa !! Who wants your business anyway ?? Did you have to send your money in a container,to take back home one television set..??You are so full of it .Dear bro,..save yourself time and money (That can get you some lunch someday,UK is tough my friend,theres no ujamaa there) and spare yourself the embarassment of being classified among the people who haven't gone to " school" I'm really beginning to doubt you now ..and last but not least,this is a grown man !! Keep digging info about Kenya..I don't know s**T about Tz.....LOL.
Mkenya-ORIGI !!
Mkenya-ORIGI !!
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Have you convicted those who recently sold used Boeing engines as equipment for electricity to your power authority?Unregistered said:
Are you trying to say there is no corruption going on or that went on in TZ?
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big deal Kenyans wanna live and work in Tanzania.They also going to work in rwanda,Libya,Sudan,Uganda etc.Libyans are shopping for Swahili teachers in Nairobi.Why don't you grab that opportunity since u better in the language.
Currently there are about 30000 Kenyans working in the mid east.It's not that they are only interested in Tanzania,it's about going global.Globalise urselves dear friends.
Currently there are about 30000 Kenyans working in the mid east.It's not that they are only interested in Tanzania,it's about going global.Globalise urselves dear friends.
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Boeing engines as equipments for electricity?!!!!!!!!!!! your are real have nothing in your f**** head! Since when boeing engines can be equipments for electricity?oooh since those engines use turbines and you heard tz imported turbines, you just cant differentiate!
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Loordy.You have no freaking idea of how electricity is generated!Do you?Physics 101.A jet engine could be rigged to power electric production.Somehow airplanes have gadgets that need electrical power.Wonder where it comes from.Never seen one fly by, with cables dangling out, hooked to the power grid on the ground.TzPride said:
Inasikitisha na kuuma.
CCM, wanapaswa kufanya hivyo katika chaguzi za ndani kama kawaida yao na siyo za wawakilishi nje ya nchi.
Ni kwa nini CCM wasitumie wingi wao kupitisha sheria bungeni ili waondoe kipengele cha kuwa na mbunge kutoka upinzani? kama hawataki kuwa na wapinzani strong?
Lakini cha kushangaza ni kuwa hata hao wa CCM waliochaguliwa wanaweza kuwa ni goi goi ulinganishwa na walioachwa nje.
Haniingi akilini kwa mfano mtu aliteuliwa na Rais katika kamati ya kukusanya maoni aachwe nje!
waliopiga kura huko dodoma wametuma message gani kwa JK?
Kwamba huyo professor Wangwe hafai kabisa ni vizuri ateu mwingine kuwa chairman wa kamati ya kukusanya maoni?
CCM, wanapaswa kufanya hivyo katika chaguzi za ndani kama kawaida yao na siyo za wawakilishi nje ya nchi.
Ni kwa nini CCM wasitumie wingi wao kupitisha sheria bungeni ili waondoe kipengele cha kuwa na mbunge kutoka upinzani? kama hawataki kuwa na wapinzani strong?
Lakini cha kushangaza ni kuwa hata hao wa CCM waliochaguliwa wanaweza kuwa ni goi goi ulinganishwa na walioachwa nje.
Haniingi akilini kwa mfano mtu aliteuliwa na Rais katika kamati ya kukusanya maoni aachwe nje!
waliopiga kura huko dodoma wametuma message gani kwa JK?
Kwamba huyo professor Wangwe hafai kabisa ni vizuri ateu mwingine kuwa chairman wa kamati ya kukusanya maoni?
Kwa mara nyingine tena CCM inaonyesha haina interest ya kuisaidia nchi bali wapo busy na siasa za maangamizi. Unapomuacha Prof Wangwe, au Prof Baregu kwa sababu duni eti kwamba anatoka kambi ya upinzani, inasikitisha sana.hili suala la kuchagua CHAMA badala ya mtu litatupeleka mahali pabaya. Nendelea kuamini yasiowezekana duniani kote yanawezekana Tanzania tu.
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Nimefika DSM. Press iliyokuwa niifanye leo tumeiahirisha until further notice. But nitarejea kesho kutoa mchango wangu kuhusu suala hili.
Mswahili:
Nitajibu hoja zako kama nilivyoahidi. Sikutaka kujibu juu juu. Hivyo baada ya kumaliza kampeni za Profesa Baregu sasa nina wasaa wa kukujibu.
JJ
Mswahili:
Nitajibu hoja zako kama nilivyoahidi. Sikutaka kujibu juu juu. Hivyo baada ya kumaliza kampeni za Profesa Baregu sasa nina wasaa wa kukujibu.
JJ
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Mzee Mkira na Alles,
Bravo wote mko katika mstari unaotakiwa, katika uchaguzi huu hakukuwa na interest ya nchi kabisaaa, na kama ipo basi iatkuwa ni interest ambayo haikubaliki na wanachi bali kwa vigogo wa CCM tu, katika process ya kutawala milele,
Yaaani ndio ninaelewa kuwa Mzee Masha ni msomi na nini, lakini wakati umeenda kwa yeye kuwa able kuelewa issue za kileo na hasa huko kwenye issue za immigration na economics,
ndio only in bongo!
Bravo wote mko katika mstari unaotakiwa, katika uchaguzi huu hakukuwa na interest ya nchi kabisaaa, na kama ipo basi iatkuwa ni interest ambayo haikubaliki na wanachi bali kwa vigogo wa CCM tu, katika process ya kutawala milele,
Yaaani ndio ninaelewa kuwa Mzee Masha ni msomi na nini, lakini wakati umeenda kwa yeye kuwa able kuelewa issue za kileo na hasa huko kwenye issue za immigration na economics,
ndio only in bongo!
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You are a mindless platitude who doesnt wish to discuss the specifics based on objective realities. Your incompetent power mongering and absurdity and illusions of big market are none other than apathy through active ignorance.
And its no wonder the same incompetent narcissistic, vacuous, malicious criminals are in charge of your country. Read about the Geneva conversion on human rights first before thinking of TZ clamouring for refugee status in UK. (Only countries like Kenya, Rwanda, Burundi, Somalia, Uganda and the like can be recognised easily to be refugees ..). Ask why???? Idiot.
The majority of TZ have said we can not leave our country vulnerable to unchecked and unchallenged parasites of this notion of federation. Only scumbags could support this phony federation to facilitate wholesale theft.
We are not going to be slaves of anybody as you rightly said the type of work you do to the whites. You even make us be more afraid of your attitudes.
Federation do it with others not us. .!!!!!!!!!!
And its no wonder the same incompetent narcissistic, vacuous, malicious criminals are in charge of your country. Read about the Geneva conversion on human rights first before thinking of TZ clamouring for refugee status in UK. (Only countries like Kenya, Rwanda, Burundi, Somalia, Uganda and the like can be recognised easily to be refugees ..). Ask why???? Idiot.
The majority of TZ have said we can not leave our country vulnerable to unchecked and unchallenged parasites of this notion of federation. Only scumbags could support this phony federation to facilitate wholesale theft.
We are not going to be slaves of anybody as you rightly said the type of work you do to the whites. You even make us be more afraid of your attitudes.
Federation do it with others not us. .!!!!!!!!!!
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Mimi naishi Marekani. Babangu alizaliwa Uganda, mamangu mkenya. Mimi mwenyewe Mkenya. Nilipofika katika jimbo la Arizona, Kusini magharibi mwa Marekani, nilikuwa na upweke sana. Sikuona mtu mweusi kwa miezi mitano. Siku moja, Karibu na mji mkuu wa jimbo hilo, Phoenix, nilimkuta mfanyi kazi mmoja wa benki, mweusi. Zote tulikuwa na furaha kukutana. Baada ya kujuliana hali - alisema yeye atoka Rwanda nilimwambia mimi ni Mkenya.
Kama vile hatukuaminiana, alianza kuongea kiswahili - nilijibu kwa Kiswahili. Aliacha kazi kwa dakika chache, kaja mbele ya benki - tukakumbatiana kwa mda mrefu. Jiulize ni kwanini?
Nasema hivi kwasababu sisi - Wakenya, Watanzania na Waganda, tunajiona bora kuliko Warundi na Warwanda. Ukweli ni kwamba- hawa ni ndugu zetu. Ndugu akifiwa, jamii yake waomboleza naye. Burundi na Rwanda walizozana, wakapigana na wakafiwa. Ni wajibu wetu kuwashika mkono, tusiwaache waangamie. Tusiwahukumu wenzetu tafadhali.
Kama vile hatukuaminiana, alianza kuongea kiswahili - nilijibu kwa Kiswahili. Aliacha kazi kwa dakika chache, kaja mbele ya benki - tukakumbatiana kwa mda mrefu. Jiulize ni kwanini?
Nasema hivi kwasababu sisi - Wakenya, Watanzania na Waganda, tunajiona bora kuliko Warundi na Warwanda. Ukweli ni kwamba- hawa ni ndugu zetu. Ndugu akifiwa, jamii yake waomboleza naye. Burundi na Rwanda walizozana, wakapigana na wakafiwa. Ni wajibu wetu kuwashika mkono, tusiwaache waangamie. Tusiwahukumu wenzetu tafadhali.
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I am Kenyan.
I have been reading contributions from my Tanzanian brothers for the past one month. I like the openness - i respect opinions, especially those against EA federation.
It is probably true that Kenyans and Ugandans would be rough players, unfair competitors for fair, peace-loving Tanzanians. Rwanda and Burundi have many wounds to heal after the 1990's genocide.
The truth is:
1) Many countries of the world are benefiting from unions - take the United States for example, during the civil war, millions of people from southern states did not support the federation. The union was not formed until the northern states (led by the Union Army) defeated the southern Confederate soldiers. People lost their lives.
2) Another example - is the EU. Citizens of member states of the EU can't be any happier. Benefits range from economic, social and political. The only way to influence the world today is when you have influence. Influence begins with population and economic might, and political stability. If other people are sitting and articulating policies in one voice, how come we can't do it.
3) Incase of a war (God forbid) - just like in 1994 Tanzania will be forced to accept refugees from neighboring countries. The same thing happened in the 70's when Uganda wa fighting. Tanzanians are very generous people - and we (other EAC) countries ought to sit down, listen and learn the secret to fairness, kindness, and generosity. The point is, when one is in trouble, they seek help from the closest neighbor before they go somewhere else. I like South Africa and its politics However, it would wrong, in my opinion, for Tanzania to view South Africa as a closer ally than Kenya, Uganda and our brother in Rwanda and Burundi. We have many things in common and we need to accept this as a fact.
4) The Hutu and Tutsi people will NOT be a problem for EAC - why? Because any kind of battle will not be against each other, but rather against other 110 million people in other states. When E Africans embrace Rwanda and Burundi, the rebels against the 2 governments will loose it place. We, Kenya Tanzania and Uganda, have a responsibility to help these countries heal their wounds through EA federation.
5) What about the LRA and Charles Kony in Uganda? He will be tamed too. He will no longer have Ugandan government as the enemy - and he will NOT attempt to fight an Army representing more than 100 million people.
6) Kenyan tribalism will have NO PLACE in the federation. The aggressive Luo leaders will have to convince 100 million people that they are worth being leaders before they are voted in. Guess what - if we do not like them, they can't force their way to presidency. The same with Kikuyus - they will no longer be thinking about themselves as being the majority tribe. I am from the Luhya tribe - we vote for leaders from different political parties, not like the former two that only vote for certain people when instructed by their political and tribal chiefs. The Kamba, Somali, Mijikenda (including the sociable Swahili) and of late the Kalenjins are very diverse in political choices. There are many people in Kenya who are tired of the Kikuyu-Luo domination. The point i am trying to make is: EA federation will help Kenyans think beyond their tribes. I know millions of people are willing to do exactly that. Corruption will also die because a corrupt Kenyan, will anger not just a section of Kenyans, but also more than 70 million East Africans. The latter from a majority so impeachment will be a common term. We will NOT stand any unfairness perpetrated on any of our citizens.
The Way out:
1) If, and when we form a federation, views (especially dissenting) - like the ones being voiced in this forum MUST be taken seriously. Representatives from different countries will be looking for a common ground to accommodate everyones concerns. Laws (and many of them) will be drafted that will not favor any tribe or country. Already, Tanzanians are complaining of anticipated domination by other citizens. Regulations will be put in place to be fair to every group, region and country.
2) We should not worry about current presidents being presidents of the Union. My take on this is that, our laws will include regulations about presidency say its rotating presidency restricted to 2 terms, by the time it passes around to 2-3 states, the current presidents will be too old and they would not be serious contenders. Again, say if Kibaki or Museveni runs, and we do not like him we choose someone else. The union will not be run like a military regime. Wananchi will have an option of rejecting non popular leaders.
I hope you read all the above. Kwaherini ndugu zangu.
mzatiti@yahoo.com
I have been reading contributions from my Tanzanian brothers for the past one month. I like the openness - i respect opinions, especially those against EA federation.
It is probably true that Kenyans and Ugandans would be rough players, unfair competitors for fair, peace-loving Tanzanians. Rwanda and Burundi have many wounds to heal after the 1990's genocide.
The truth is:
1) Many countries of the world are benefiting from unions - take the United States for example, during the civil war, millions of people from southern states did not support the federation. The union was not formed until the northern states (led by the Union Army) defeated the southern Confederate soldiers. People lost their lives.
2) Another example - is the EU. Citizens of member states of the EU can't be any happier. Benefits range from economic, social and political. The only way to influence the world today is when you have influence. Influence begins with population and economic might, and political stability. If other people are sitting and articulating policies in one voice, how come we can't do it.
3) Incase of a war (God forbid) - just like in 1994 Tanzania will be forced to accept refugees from neighboring countries. The same thing happened in the 70's when Uganda wa fighting. Tanzanians are very generous people - and we (other EAC) countries ought to sit down, listen and learn the secret to fairness, kindness, and generosity. The point is, when one is in trouble, they seek help from the closest neighbor before they go somewhere else. I like South Africa and its politics However, it would wrong, in my opinion, for Tanzania to view South Africa as a closer ally than Kenya, Uganda and our brother in Rwanda and Burundi. We have many things in common and we need to accept this as a fact.
4) The Hutu and Tutsi people will NOT be a problem for EAC - why? Because any kind of battle will not be against each other, but rather against other 110 million people in other states. When E Africans embrace Rwanda and Burundi, the rebels against the 2 governments will loose it place. We, Kenya Tanzania and Uganda, have a responsibility to help these countries heal their wounds through EA federation.
5) What about the LRA and Charles Kony in Uganda? He will be tamed too. He will no longer have Ugandan government as the enemy - and he will NOT attempt to fight an Army representing more than 100 million people.
6) Kenyan tribalism will have NO PLACE in the federation. The aggressive Luo leaders will have to convince 100 million people that they are worth being leaders before they are voted in. Guess what - if we do not like them, they can't force their way to presidency. The same with Kikuyus - they will no longer be thinking about themselves as being the majority tribe. I am from the Luhya tribe - we vote for leaders from different political parties, not like the former two that only vote for certain people when instructed by their political and tribal chiefs. The Kamba, Somali, Mijikenda (including the sociable Swahili) and of late the Kalenjins are very diverse in political choices. There are many people in Kenya who are tired of the Kikuyu-Luo domination. The point i am trying to make is: EA federation will help Kenyans think beyond their tribes. I know millions of people are willing to do exactly that. Corruption will also die because a corrupt Kenyan, will anger not just a section of Kenyans, but also more than 70 million East Africans. The latter from a majority so impeachment will be a common term. We will NOT stand any unfairness perpetrated on any of our citizens.
The Way out:
1) If, and when we form a federation, views (especially dissenting) - like the ones being voiced in this forum MUST be taken seriously. Representatives from different countries will be looking for a common ground to accommodate everyones concerns. Laws (and many of them) will be drafted that will not favor any tribe or country. Already, Tanzanians are complaining of anticipated domination by other citizens. Regulations will be put in place to be fair to every group, region and country.
2) We should not worry about current presidents being presidents of the Union. My take on this is that, our laws will include regulations about presidency say its rotating presidency restricted to 2 terms, by the time it passes around to 2-3 states, the current presidents will be too old and they would not be serious contenders. Again, say if Kibaki or Museveni runs, and we do not like him we choose someone else. The union will not be run like a military regime. Wananchi will have an option of rejecting non popular leaders.
I hope you read all the above. Kwaherini ndugu zangu.
mzatiti@yahoo.com
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what a fool. Is tanzania a boeing aeroplane, that you are going to need a jet engine to produce your electricity, how many megawatts of electricity can jet engines produce? and how many megawatts of electricity does TZ need? perhaps your primitve economy needs a jet engine to power its economy coz the only thing u guys make is fools.
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the only "mindless platitude" is you and your fellow countrymen, in this world of intergration and cooperation ,your only arguments against federation is your insecurity with your neighbours, it is obvious you guys are jus regressive,hmmm that explains your current position and perhaps your future condition.protectionism is a relic of the past you guys better wake up and smell the coffee.NEWS NEWS NEWS, TZ u got nothin we want, we got what we want, we don't need u tellin us what we want from u. coz ive never heard a kenyan sayin they want ur land. we have moved beyond land ownership as basis for growth ,modern economies are tagged to service and manufacturing industry,not agrarian basis.
Talking of "specifics based on objective realities" fact is u have a nerve to say that, the only thing u guys have been doing is insult kenyans and when one insults u back u scream,"specifics based on objective realities" the only thing u guys have been consistent about is the insult you throw at kenyans. And Reality -nigga pliz, the only ppl who need a reality check are u TZ, hey AMKENI its the 21 century.and even without the federation, we gon b pimpin your TZ arse anyways jus as we have been doing since 1963 bwana.
and who said we want federation wit you guys ,if we had a referendum on the issue kenyans will say no coz we dont want you fools crossing our border to come traffic heroin in kenya jus like you guys always get caught trafficking in south africa.And if you loved ur country so much there will be no Tanzanians in the UK masquerading as rwandese,congolese and burundians so they can get refugee status.
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first of all,my fellow kenya countrymen,dont stoop low to use foul language with your own brethren.it serves no purpose.be balanced and fair in dialogue this is not war,its a discussion.we can agree to disagree.
kenyan business enterprise is service and technology oriented,tanzania is more agriculturally oriented.check the stats from the CIA:
TANZANIA
agriculture: 43.2%
industry: 17.2%
services: 39.6% (2004 est.)
KENYA
agriculture: 16.3%
industry: 18.8%
services: 65.1% (2004 est.)
now,what is this fear kenyan entreprenuers are coming to grab your land?is it rational or logical?mandugu zangu jirani,emotion and prejudice seldom results in positives.we are not begging to be with you,its an option,thats why Eafricans will have a referendum,if you reject it,well,thats democracy,the pple have spoken.
sure,we dont blame you for being cautious.but dont paint kenya as a country that is disfunctional and full of evil while tanzania is a corrupt free hub devoid of crime and poverty.we can learn from tanzanian couretsy and selflessness.you can learn to be agrressive and enterprsing from us kenyans.kenyans fought the bloodiest independence war because we had the highest number of colonialists in kenya.and that aggressive aatitude was transplanted into various sectors of kenyan lives.it encouraged economic competition but inter tribal competition too.
someone is even threatening military aggression on kenya by tanzania.please note that for every US 1$ u spend on your military budget,kenya spends $100.but this is besides the point.tanzanians cant stop preaching about he beauty of their land,i ask you.go to any reliable resource for country profile and its kenya that is described variously"cradle of mankind" "a country of scenic beauty" "breath taking landscape" and the first thing you read on tanzania is always the poverty.yes we are poor too.and we know,but we try to better ourselves without necessarrily blaming unseeming neighbours.by the way,currently,uganda is kenya's biggest trading partner in the region.tanzania relies more on the kenyans economy than the former does.you read between the lines who needs who.
these are the stats:
TANZANIA
import partners:South Africa 12.2%, China 9.6%, India 7%, UAE 6.1%, Kenya 5.2%, UK 4.1% (2005)
export parners:China 10.2%, Canada 8.6%, India 7.3%, Netherlands 5.2%, Japan 4.5%, Kenya 4.4%, Germany 4.3% (2005)
KENYA
import partners:UAE 13.6%, Saudi Arabia 9.9%, US 9.8%, India 8.3%, South Africa 7.9%, China 7.1%, UK 5.4% (2005)
export parners:Uganda 13.9%, UK 10.5%, US 9.5%, Netherlands 8.2%, Egypt 5.1%, Tanzania 4.7%, Pakistan 4.5% (2005)
these are facts.kenya has subsahara africa 2nd most important sea port.and commercailly the most important financial hub in the whole of eastern and central africa.this is not boasting my brothers,my point is,before you undermine the capabilities of kenya and kenyans,before you call us names and say you dont really need us and you hate us,purely based on empty emotion,look at the figures.the facts.they hurt but theyre facts.
you call us arrogant and then you say apart from the economy,you have nothing to gain from us,least of all culturally.why is it that benga artist and the ones from uganda seek 1st critical acclaim in the streets of mombasa and nairobi to really boast status?who is to say kenyan culture is inferior to yours?yes we are self centered and greedy and tribalistic.but you see?we criticize ourselves and dont think we are perfect.we know kenya is not perfect.we criticize our leaders {something tzdians regard as abuse to leaders}.thats is freedom of speech.our has the most diverse media in the region i ask you?who is to say tzdian athletes wont benefit from interaction with kenyans?what of education?how many movies have been about kenya and even won oscars?tanzania can benefit from this!rugby and inter school across the states competition.we can enrich each toher enormously.
each country iz unique in their own way.there are so many kenyans in uganda as well,doing business and studying but dont face so much hatred.yet uganda is "the pearl of africa".kenya was actually accidentally discovered on the way to uganda.but ugandans,who have the most fertile land in EAC dont boast like you tanzanians.
you think the reason there are many kenyans in uganda,tanzania,rwanda,burundi,botswana is because our country has ran out of fortunes?its because we are always willing to try out new things,go to new places,have a try to crack it big,be aggressive,to expose ourselves to new possibilities.we have roughly the same population as TZ and UG if not less,but you'll find more kenyans out there than any other country.doing what they do best,giving it ago.
kenyan business enterprise is service and technology oriented,tanzania is more agriculturally oriented.check the stats from the CIA:
TANZANIA
agriculture: 43.2%
industry: 17.2%
services: 39.6% (2004 est.)
KENYA
agriculture: 16.3%
industry: 18.8%
services: 65.1% (2004 est.)
now,what is this fear kenyan entreprenuers are coming to grab your land?is it rational or logical?mandugu zangu jirani,emotion and prejudice seldom results in positives.we are not begging to be with you,its an option,thats why Eafricans will have a referendum,if you reject it,well,thats democracy,the pple have spoken.
sure,we dont blame you for being cautious.but dont paint kenya as a country that is disfunctional and full of evil while tanzania is a corrupt free hub devoid of crime and poverty.we can learn from tanzanian couretsy and selflessness.you can learn to be agrressive and enterprsing from us kenyans.kenyans fought the bloodiest independence war because we had the highest number of colonialists in kenya.and that aggressive aatitude was transplanted into various sectors of kenyan lives.it encouraged economic competition but inter tribal competition too.
someone is even threatening military aggression on kenya by tanzania.please note that for every US 1$ u spend on your military budget,kenya spends $100.but this is besides the point.tanzanians cant stop preaching about he beauty of their land,i ask you.go to any reliable resource for country profile and its kenya that is described variously"cradle of mankind" "a country of scenic beauty" "breath taking landscape" and the first thing you read on tanzania is always the poverty.yes we are poor too.and we know,but we try to better ourselves without necessarrily blaming unseeming neighbours.by the way,currently,uganda is kenya's biggest trading partner in the region.tanzania relies more on the kenyans economy than the former does.you read between the lines who needs who.
these are the stats:
TANZANIA
import partners:South Africa 12.2%, China 9.6%, India 7%, UAE 6.1%, Kenya 5.2%, UK 4.1% (2005)
export parners:China 10.2%, Canada 8.6%, India 7.3%, Netherlands 5.2%, Japan 4.5%, Kenya 4.4%, Germany 4.3% (2005)
KENYA
import partners:UAE 13.6%, Saudi Arabia 9.9%, US 9.8%, India 8.3%, South Africa 7.9%, China 7.1%, UK 5.4% (2005)
export parners:Uganda 13.9%, UK 10.5%, US 9.5%, Netherlands 8.2%, Egypt 5.1%, Tanzania 4.7%, Pakistan 4.5% (2005)
these are facts.kenya has subsahara africa 2nd most important sea port.and commercailly the most important financial hub in the whole of eastern and central africa.this is not boasting my brothers,my point is,before you undermine the capabilities of kenya and kenyans,before you call us names and say you dont really need us and you hate us,purely based on empty emotion,look at the figures.the facts.they hurt but theyre facts.
you call us arrogant and then you say apart from the economy,you have nothing to gain from us,least of all culturally.why is it that benga artist and the ones from uganda seek 1st critical acclaim in the streets of mombasa and nairobi to really boast status?who is to say kenyan culture is inferior to yours?yes we are self centered and greedy and tribalistic.but you see?we criticize ourselves and dont think we are perfect.we know kenya is not perfect.we criticize our leaders {something tzdians regard as abuse to leaders}.thats is freedom of speech.our has the most diverse media in the region i ask you?who is to say tzdian athletes wont benefit from interaction with kenyans?what of education?how many movies have been about kenya and even won oscars?tanzania can benefit from this!rugby and inter school across the states competition.we can enrich each toher enormously.
each country iz unique in their own way.there are so many kenyans in uganda as well,doing business and studying but dont face so much hatred.yet uganda is "the pearl of africa".kenya was actually accidentally discovered on the way to uganda.but ugandans,who have the most fertile land in EAC dont boast like you tanzanians.
you think the reason there are many kenyans in uganda,tanzania,rwanda,burundi,botswana is because our country has ran out of fortunes?its because we are always willing to try out new things,go to new places,have a try to crack it big,be aggressive,to expose ourselves to new possibilities.we have roughly the same population as TZ and UG if not less,but you'll find more kenyans out there than any other country.doing what they do best,giving it ago.
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someone is even threatening military aggression on kenya by tanzania.please note that for every US 1$ u spend on your military budget,kenya spends $100.
KENYA
Military expenditures - dollar figure
$280.5 million (2005 est.)
TANZANIA
Military expenditures - dollar figure
$21.2 million (2005 est.)
just so these idiots dont start saying the poster above has fabricated the statistics.
you tanzanians in general,apart from a few,really need to be enlightened and educated in modern politcal economy.seems from the replies im reading from a vast majority of you abounds in shocking ignorance.while the kenyans have given you facts and figures coupled with reason and rationale,you retort s are fraught with "siasa za peni nane".village mentality.
KENYA
Military expenditures - dollar figure
$280.5 million (2005 est.)
TANZANIA
Military expenditures - dollar figure
$21.2 million (2005 est.)
just so these idiots dont start saying the poster above has fabricated the statistics.
you tanzanians in general,apart from a few,really need to be enlightened and educated in modern politcal economy.seems from the replies im reading from a vast majority of you abounds in shocking ignorance.while the kenyans have given you facts and figures coupled with reason and rationale,you retort s are fraught with "siasa za peni nane".village mentality.