East African Federation (EAF) public Views

East African Federation (EAF) public Views

The contributor of the above ideas brings a new twist to the whole EAC issue.
I respect his ideas - it's the truth.

I know very many TZs and East Africans read materials posted on this website. Thank God most of them do not contribute bacause of infantile ideas by participants punctuated by disrespect and choice of dirty adjectives to describe and define people from other countries.

I am sure - it's just a few - very few people author contents on this website. The thoughts, ideas and feelings do not represent the majority of TZ citizens. If anyone disputes this - please include your name email address and/or residency. If you think you are so philosophical, including the moderator(s), and what you say is absolute truth, i ask that you include your name.

You see - people who are liberated in mind and thought stand by what they believe. I am sure the few people claiming to represent views of TZ can not do this - why? It is characteristic of Africans to give cheap shots at issues that deserve seriousness, then duck into anonynimity.

Thank you for those who are not participating. Thanks for those participating and not painting TZ as a garden of roses - because everybody knows every country has its own problems - and no one country should think they are superior over others. It's a pity.
 
Unregistered said:
The contributor of the above ideas brings a new twist to the whole EAC issue.
I respect his ideas - it's the truth.

I know very many TZs and East Africans read materials posted on this website. Thank God most of them do not contribute bacause of infantile ideas by participants punctuated by disrespect and choice of dirty adjectives to describe and define people from other countries.

I am sure - it's just a few - very few people author contents on this website. The thoughts, ideas and feelings do not represent the majority of TZ citizens. If anyone disputes this - please include your name email address and/or residency. If you think you are so philosophical, including the moderator(s), and what you say is absolute truth, i ask that you include your name.

You see - people who are liberated in mind and thought stand by what they believe. I am sure the few people claiming to represent views of TZ can not do this - why? It is characteristic of Africans to give cheap shots at issues that deserve seriousness, then duck into anonynimity.

Thank you for those who are not participating. Thanks for those participating and not painting TZ as a garden of roses - because everybody knows every country has its own problems - and no one country should think they are superior over others. It's a pity.

1. Why yourself haven't put your name and details?

2. Say what isn't a fact?

3. Freedom of speech from wherever it comes, remember most of this said leaders get this positions by buying votes and it seems you are part and parcel of this dictotorial people if you want to curb one of their fundamental rights.

Lets continue to give views which matters to our countries and discuss the federation.
I like this site, the few who are stealing money and resources with impunity are trembling with facts.
(THE WORLD HAS CHANGED AND THE GIN IS OUT OF THE BOTTLE)
 
Unregistered said:
The contributor of the above ideas brings a new twist to the whole EAC issue.
I respect his ideas - it's the truth.

I know very many TZs and East Africans read materials posted on this website. Thank God most of them do not contribute bacause of infantile ideas by participants punctuated by disrespect and choice of dirty adjectives to describe and define people from other countries.

I am sure - it's just a few - very few people author contents on this website. The thoughts, ideas and feelings do not represent the majority of TZ citizens. If anyone disputes this - please include your name email address and/or residency. If you think you are so philosophical, including the moderator(s), and what you say is absolute truth, i ask that you include your name.

You see - people who are liberated in mind and thought stand by what they believe. I am sure the few people claiming to represent views of TZ can not do this - why? It is characteristic of Africans to give cheap shots at issues that deserve seriousness, then duck into anonynimity.

Thank you for those who are not participating. Thanks for those participating and not painting TZ as a garden of roses - because everybody knows every country has its own problems - and no one country should think they are superior over others. It's a pity.

VERY TRUE ZANZIBAR MUST BE FREED!
Iam a Zanzibari undertaking my doctorate studies in economics in the UK. I come from Mlandege in Zanzibar, I have not been in Zanzibar for many years. I agree with the views expressed by my fellow Zanzibari on the oppression of our people. In the year 2000 after a brutal election our people fled to Kenya why did they not go to Tz mainland? Zanzibar contributes disproportionately to the union with mainland. Yet we get very little if anything from this union!

Our people are only interested in improving their lives not to be moved to COMESA then SADAC! I agree with my fellow Zanzibari that we are closer socially, economically and culturally with east Africa than Southern Africa. Otherwise when the brutal army from the mainland came to crush our people they would have used boats to Mozambique but no, they went to Shimoni in Kenya as refugees.

We Zanzibaris are very bitter that we are being mistreated and ignored in the EAF debate, our founding fathers are being described by some readers as Makuli! Ngumbaru etc. sincerely with this hate how can we be proud to be part of the Muungano. We want to join COMESA/ EAF as Zanzibar and not Tanzania.

We are poor and divided in Zanzibar because of this union thing! Some people say we Zanzibaris are lazy and uneducated! Would a man like me be in UK studying hard? I need to help my people progress. Insults will not help them please.....

Kwa wale wenzangu wanao tumia lugha iso stahili lazma ni wakumbushe kwamba ustaarabu ulianzia Zanzibar. Tuko tayari kuwa elimisha.

Wasalaam
Mzanzibari
Toka Mlandege
 
TzPride said:
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Pole sana ndugu mzanzibari. Kweli Muungano unaouzungumzia ni kitu kilicho fanywa kingumbaru zaidi. Ndio maana tunataka yasitokee haya ya EAF, kwani majuto kama hayo yako hatutayakwepa. Lakini ndugu Mzanzibari naomba nikukumbushe yafuatayo:
1. Hakuna nchi inaitwa Tanganyika katika ramani ya dunia ya sasa.

2. Zanzibar ilikuwa na bahati mbaya kuwa na kiongozi ngumbaru wakati wa kuweka sawa articles of union, si unajua jamaa alikuwa "kuli" tu?

3. Wazanzibari kama wakenya nao ukabila ni ugonjwa sugu kwao; uunguja na upemba ni tisho kwa uhai wa zanzibar huru, bila wanaume toka upande wa bara mambo yenu hayataenda barabara. Niaminii ndugu yangu.

4. Uchumi wenu ulikuwa wa karafuu tu, sasa si unajua karafuu hatima yake?

5. Nisingependa kuona unawatamani waarabu walewale waliowalamba mboko na mkaamua kuwatimua. leo unawataka!

Mwisho jitahidi kuwaelimisha wazanzibari kuhusu kuacha kubaguana wenyewe na muweze dai haki ya taifa lenu kwa pamoja. Hata mimi sioni sababu Tanganyika(marehemu) inabeba mzigo wa Zanzibar wakati hakuna faida yeyote tunapata toka huko. Zanzibar yote ina fanana na willaya ya Sengerema kwa population, resources, area nk lakini Zenji kuna Rais mpaka m/kiti wa kitongoji wakati Sengerema ni wilaya tu. Zenj kweli mnatakiwa muwe kivyenu ili myaone haya.

Salamu zao huko Kibanda maiti na Mchamba wima....


Jamaani haya si madharau?
Ngumbaru Makuli? kwaku dai haki zetu. Mabaradhuli kama nyinyi ndio mnao endeleza ukandamizaji wa wazanzibari.Ipo siku.......Ipo siku..... Ipo siku.....Zanzibar ita kuwa huru!

Eti unalinganisha Zanzibar na Sengerema! huna haya veve! Nitarudia (samahani kwa hasira: zangu si zamkizi) Zanzibar siyo Koloni la Tanganyika usijaribu kamwe kutu fananisha na wilaya masikini zisizo na mbele wala nyuma. Nina hakika huja wahi kufika Zanzibar kwa hiyo usijifanye mwerevu. Unyonyaji wa mali ghafi ya Zanzibar utakoma. Mwisho kiwango chako cha elimu? Tueleze waziwazi!
 
Administrator Tafadhali Fungua Mjadala Wa Muungano Wa Zanzibar Na Tanganyika - Huu Ulikuwa Bungeni Wakati Fulani Ukazimwa.

Jazba Hazisaidii Kitu Ndio Maana Maoni Mengi Hayaongelei Mambo Ya Muungano Wa Tanganyika Na Zanzibar.

Kitu Muhimu Tusivuruge Huu Wa Federation Ya Eac. Kama Zanzibar Ni Nchi Iwekwe Wazi Sio Waje Kwenye Huu Mjadala Kwa Ubavu Wa Tanzania Maana Sijaona Contribution Ya Watanganyika?????


Inakuwaje!
 
Unregistered said:
Jamaani haya si madharau?
Ngumbaru Makuli? kwaku dai haki zetu. Mabaradhuli kama nyinyi ndio mnao endeleza ukandamizaji wa wazanzibari.Ipo siku.......Ipo siku..... Ipo siku.....Zanzibar ita kuwa huru!

Eti unalinganisha Zanzibar na Sengerema! huna haya veve! Nitarudia (samahani kwa hasira: zangu si zamkizi) Zanzibar siyo Koloni la Tanganyika usijaribu kamwe kutu fananisha na wilaya masikini zisizo na mbele wala nyuma. Nina hakika huja wahi kufika Zanzibar kwa hiyo usijifanye mwerevu. Unyonyaji wa mali ghafi ya Zanzibar utakoma. Mwisho kiwango chako cha elimu? Tueleze waziwazi!

Mali ghafi gani iliyoko zenji? hebu tueleze, nani kakuambia sijafika zanzibar, wala hamu nako sina. Nyie wapemba ndio mnakula vya bure kutoka bara hamuwezi kutubabaisha. Mbona hamjengi kwenu mnakimbilia uarabuni? Kwa mawazo yako yalivyo unataka kulinganisha population ya bara ya millioni 35 na ushee na watu wasiozidi millioni? Amka kijana.
 
Unregistered said:
U couldn't be more wrong u Kenyan scumbag.I don't have to act like a Kenyan.Born,educated,lived there most of my life.I'm Kenyan in whatever shape or form but unfortunately i had to leave coz the likes of u turned the country into a shythole.The superior attitude u wanna apply to Tzs is the same u got on ur fellow Kenyans who don't belong to your tribe.Coz of that,look how Kenya has turned out to be.A nation of 35 million tribal psychos who won't stand criticism from outside.Meanwhile we so talented in electing thieves,thugs,idiots,clowns,wanna-be comedians, to run the country.Presently i'd rather have a Giraffe residing in Statehouse,Nairobi.The thought of a Hippo passing laws in the Kenyan Parliament is quite dandy with me.We could as well be robots programmed to hate each other based on tribe but whenever a foreigner tries to update you on the cons of such a program u go bananas chanting on how offended u are.Ati they calling us Nyangau!!!???Big deal.Sue your own ass!!News flash,Tzs are not wired like u.It's a cohesive society.That fact makes turns me green with envy an admiration.Stop the denial that we are diseased with tribalism.The rest of the world has diagonised that we are incredibly afflicted with it..How come u can't recognise whilst u the carrier???Matter of fact stay away from Tzns coz they may fall victim to the plague.

if you are a kenyan, you should be charged with treason, judas iscariot,quisling.
 
Unregistered said:
At least we allow foreigners to hunt animals. How many foreigners were allowed to hunt poor Kenyans without being charged.
None Chamley is in Mathare...at least get your facts right before displaying folly!
 
None said:
None Chamley is in Mathare...at least get your facts right before displaying folly!


FYI this was a second murder. Where do you live?

Aristocrat denies Kenyan murder

Thomas Cholmondeley is heir to a 100,000-acre Rift Valley farm
An aristocrat in Kenya has pleaded not guilty to murdering a man he suspected of poaching on his farm.
It is the second murder charge Thomas Cholmondeley, great-grandson of one of Kenya's first white settlers, Lord Delamere, has faced in a year.

He admitted shooting a Maasai ranger but denied murder last year. The case was dropped, sparking national outrage.

Mr Cholmondeley's lawyer told the court his client in this case was aiming at dogs released by the alleged poacher.

Fred Ojiambo said his client understood the case had revived memories of colonialism, but it had no relevance in this case, the Associated Press news agency reports.

"In this case the lies are being orchestrated to make him look like the guy who shoots Africans for sport," he said.



Mr Cholmondeley, 38, appeared handcuffed in the High Court. He sat impassively with his eyes lowered while waiting for proceedings to start, the BBC's Adam Mynott at the court said.

Four of his friends were in court. His father, the fifth Baron Delamere and his mother Lady Delamere were understood to be in Britain.

When asked if it was true he had murdered Robert Njoya on 10 May at Soysambu farm, Mr Cholmondeley replied: "Not true".

The judge ruled that the case should come for trial at the end of September. Mr Cholmondeley, a Kenyan citizen, was led away and will be detained in custody to await trial.

'Self-defence'

Correspondents say this case is likely to spark more controversy in the central Rift Valley where resentment still rankles with the region's Maasai community over the dropping of the last case.

Thomas Cholmondeley and a friend were arrested earlier this month after he phoned the police to tell them about the incident.

He told police that the man had three companions and a pack of dogs and he suspected them of poaching a gazelle.

He said he shot at the group after they set his dogs on him, hitting the man, who died later on the way to hospital, and killing two dogs.

Last year, Mr Cholmondeley admitted shooting Maasai ranger Samson Ole Sisina, but said he acted in self defence mistaking the warden for an armed robber.

That case highlighted the security fears of landowners and the resentment of the local Maasai population in the Rift Valley region.

Mr Cholmondeley is heir to a massive 100,000-acre farm in the Rift Valley region, acquired by his great-grandfather.
 
None said:
None Chamley is in Mathare...at least get your facts right before displaying folly!


FYI this was a second murder. Where do you live?

Aristocrat denies Kenyan murder

Thomas Cholmondeley is heir to a 100,000-acre Rift Valley farm
An aristocrat in Kenya has pleaded not guilty to murdering a man he suspected of poaching on his farm.
It is the second murder charge Thomas Cholmondeley, great-grandson of one of Kenya's first white settlers, Lord Delamere, has faced in a year.

He admitted shooting a Maasai ranger but denied murder last year. The case was dropped, sparking national outrage.

Mr Cholmondeley's lawyer told the court his client in this case was aiming at dogs released by the alleged poacher.

Fred Ojiambo said his client understood the case had revived memories of colonialism, but it had no relevance in this case, the Associated Press news agency reports.

"In this case the lies are being orchestrated to make him look like the guy who shoots Africans for sport," he said.



Mr Cholmondeley, 38, appeared handcuffed in the High Court. He sat impassively with his eyes lowered while waiting for proceedings to start, the BBC's Adam Mynott at the court said.

Four of his friends were in court. His father, the fifth Baron Delamere and his mother Lady Delamere were understood to be in Britain.

When asked if it was true he had murdered Robert Njoya on 10 May at Soysambu farm, Mr Cholmondeley replied: "Not true".

The judge ruled that the case should come for trial at the end of September. Mr Cholmondeley, a Kenyan citizen, was led away and will be detained in custody to await trial.

'Self-defence'

Correspondents say this case is likely to spark more controversy in the central Rift Valley where resentment still rankles with the region's Maasai community over the dropping of the last case.

Thomas Cholmondeley and a friend were arrested earlier this month after he phoned the police to tell them about the incident.

He told police that the man had three companions and a pack of dogs and he suspected them of poaching a gazelle.

He said he shot at the group after they set his dogs on him, hitting the man, who died later on the way to hospital, and killing two dogs.

Last year, Mr Cholmondeley admitted shooting Maasai ranger Samson Ole Sisina, but said he acted in self defence mistaking the warden for an armed robber.

That case highlighted the security fears of landowners and the resentment of the local Maasai population in the Rift Valley region.

Mr Cholmondeley is heir to a massive 100,000-acre farm in the Rift Valley region, acquired by his great-grandfather.
 
Unregistered said:
Administrator Tafadhali Fungua Mjadala Wa Muungano Wa Zanzibar Na Tanganyika - Huu Ulikuwa Bungeni Wakati Fulani Ukazimwa.

Jazba Hazisaidii Kitu Ndio Maana Maoni Mengi Hayaongelei Mambo Ya Muungano Wa Tanganyika Na Zanzibar.

Kitu Muhimu Tusivuruge Huu Wa Federation Ya Eac. Kama Zanzibar Ni Nchi Iwekwe Wazi Sio Waje Kwenye Huu Mjadala Kwa Ubavu Wa Tanzania Maana Sijaona Contribution Ya Watanganyika?????


Inakuwaje!


Pilipili iko Zanzibar watanganyika inawaashiani? Mjadala wa nini ikiwa wanyonyaji wana julikana? Hakuna atakae vuruga mjadala wa EAF. Zanzibar itajiunga na COMESA (ambao ni haki yaetu) hatimae na EAF. Tanganyika itaendelea kuwa SADAC, habari njema ni kwamba wata pata (watanganyika) wengine wapya wakuwa kandamiza k.m. Malawi na Msumbiji! Hakuna haja ya mjadala kaka! Zanzibar kama alivyo sema Mzanzibari itakuwa huru mahasid kama nyinyi mpende msipende!
 
Loota L. Mungaya said:
My opinion as far as the East Africa Federation is Concern is, both countries have to sort out their internal problems that emanating from their political, economical and socio environments before embarking on this very big, very sensitive and ambiguous kind of a so called federation. For example in Kenya and Uganda they have an endless ethnic group’s war, tribalism, and regionalism. Tanzania is trying to looking ways of emancipate themselves from an infant economy. Although we have very common things to share there is no point to say we are sharing these things the same way.

What are we going to do with the LRA issues which in Tanzania we are just hearing from the radios and read from Magazine? What can we do with Narc Coalition and other tribal parties surrounded Kenya’s politics. It is true that Kenyan economy is better than us but is better to eat Ugali with Kisanvu oilless peacefully rather than eating buffet with virungu every day, night with our beloved young kinds taken to war. Tanzania is still struggling in solving the so called Mpasuko wa kisiasa in Zanzibar and Viraga vya Muungano.

How can we get into this while pulling from our back all these problems? How can we embark on the large federation while the small one we have in hand is still a problem to us. We better not.

VERY TRUE ZANZIBAR MUST BE FREED!
Iam a Zanzibari undertaking my doctorate studies in economics in the UK. I come from Mlandege in Zanzibar, I have not been in Zanzibar for many years. I agree with the views expressed by my fellow Zanzibari on the oppression of our people. In the year 2000 after a brutal election our people fled to Kenya why did they not go to Tz mainland? Zanzibar contributes disproportionately to the union with mainland. Yet we get very little if anything from this union!

Our people are only interested in improving their lives not to be moved to COMESA then SADAC! I agree with my fellow Zanzibari that we are closer socially, economically and culturally with east Africa than Southern Africa. Otherwise when the brutal army from the mainland came to crush our people they would have used boats to Mozambique but no, they went to Shimoni in Kenya as refugees.

We Zanzibaris are very bitter that we are being mistreated and ignored in the EAF debate, our founding fathers are being described by some readers as Makuli! Ngumbaru etc. sincerely with this hate how can we be proud to be part of the Muungano. We want to join COMESA/ EAF as Zanzibar and not Tanzania.

We are poor and divided in Zanzibar because of this union thing! Some people say we Zanzibaris are lazy and uneducated! Would a man like me be in UK studying hard? I need to help my people progress. Insults will not help them please.....

Kwa wale wenzangu wanao tumia lugha iso stahili lazma ni wakumbushe kwamba ustaarabu ulianzia Zanzibar. Tuko tayari kuwa elimisha.

Wasalaam
Mzanzibari
Toka Mlandege
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nimesoma maoni ya waafrika wenzangu hapa na kwa kweli nimefurahi sana kuona kiwango cha juu cha uelevu wa mambo. Mie sina matatizo na watu wanaotumia lugha kali hapa kwa sababu ni vyema ndugu yako akutukane hadharani kuliko kukusema hovyo wakati haupo.

Ingawa inaumiza kusoma toka kwa waafrika waliozaliwa Kenya kuwa wenzao waliozaliwa Tanzania ni masikini na wavivu, ni vizuri pia kuweka wazi kuwa hawa waafrika waliozaliwa Tanzania ni masikini kwa sababu walitumia pesa na nguvu kazi yao (labor force) kupigania uhuru wa wenzao waliozaliwa kusini mwa afrika. Mimi ni mwafrika niliyezaliwa Tz na sioni aibu kuitwa masikini kwa sababu najua kwa nini niko masikini.

Kuhusu ndugu zangu waliozaliwa Rwanda na Burundi kunyanyaswa hapa Tz, naomba huyo ndugu yangu aeleze kwa hakika kuwa ni waafrika wangapi toka Rwanda, Burundi, Msumbiji, Uganda, Namibia, Angola, Zimbabwe, Zambia, na Afrika kusini walioishi kwa miaka mingi Tanzania bila kusumbuliwa na mtu yeyote yule.

Kuhusu ndugu zangu mliozaliwa Tanzania kuwaita wenzenu waliozaliwa kenya nyangau na kadhalika, nadhani ni vizuri kutumia hii nguvu kujenga hoja ya kuuunga au kupinga federation badala ya kuhafifisha pointi kwa lugha hiyo. Au kama ukiamua kutumia lugha kali ni vizuri ukatenganisha wakati wa kutumia lugha kali na wakati wa kutoa hoja zako.

Kuhusu waafrika wenzangu waliozaliwa visiwani (vya zanzibar na pemba) na wale wanaopinga muungano wa Tanzania. Naomba yule aliyeandika humu akijiita mzanzibari anayesomea uchumi UK aseme kwa hakika kama kabla ya kuja kwa wakoloni wa kiarabu na kizungu afrika kulikuwa na nchi ya wapemba peke yao au ya wazanzibari peke yao au ya watanganyika peke yao. Hii ni pamoja na wale tunaoshabikia mgawanyo wa waafrika ulioletwa na wakoloni kwa visingizio vya dini, elimu na utawala bora.

Peace.
 
Waheshimiwa nadhani kuhusiana na Muungano wa Tz, hapo hakuna kisichoeleweka. Muungano utadumu daima dawamu vinginevyo wenye kuupinga walete sababu. Zanzibar inahitaji muungano kwa ajili ya usalama wao, nasi tuliowasaidia hapo mwanzo hatutawaacha kamwe. Mtoto wetu hatumwachi akaenda tena kule "shimoni" halafu ahamishiwe "Daadabu'.

EFA iendelee bila kuwepo Tz kwanza halafu sisi tufanye utafiti wa kutosha namna ya kuingia. "Fast Tracking' ndio tatizo kubwa kwani ni pupa ileile iliyo leta kilio kwa watz(hasa) hapo 1977.

Mwisho nawaomba wachangiaji msikasirike kwa maneno manaoyaita makali, ili mradi ni facts. Hapa tunatakiwa kueleza tatizo bila kuliremba. Kama mtu mwizi sema " mwizi' sio "mjanja". Ukisema mimi Mtz mvivu nami najijua sio mvivu, kwani itanidhuru nini? . Jamani sifichi mapenzi makubwa niliyo nayo juu ya nchi yangu, naidhamini jinsi ilivyo.

Umaskini sio kilema, leo upo kesho waweza ondoka. Sitaki kuona nashindwa kwenda sehemu fulani ya nchi ati mimi sio mwenyeji...Tz utatoka Mtwara kwenda Musoma bila kujiuliza itakuaje. Naamini huwezi toka Lamu kwenda Kisumu bila kujiuliza nitaishije na wale watu. Hii ndio tofauti kati yetu, Tz na Ke au wengineo. Usione vyaelea, vimeundwa, Tz tumetumia raslimali nyingi kufikia hali hiyo..hatuwezi kuanza upya.

Sina chuki, ila naeleza tatizo lilopo
 
Unregistered said:
VERY TRUE ZANZIBAR MUST BE FREED!
Iam a Zanzibari undertaking my doctorate studies in economics in the UK. I come from Mlandege in Zanzibar, I have not been in Zanzibar for many years. I agree with the views expressed by my fellow Zanzibari on the oppression of our people. In the year 2000 after a brutal election our people fled to Kenya why did they not go to Tz mainland? Zanzibar contributes disproportionately to the union with mainland. Yet we get very little if anything from this union!

Our people are only interested in improving their lives not to be moved to COMESA then SADAC! I agree with my fellow Zanzibari that we are closer socially, economically and culturally with east Africa than Southern Africa. Otherwise when the brutal army from the mainland came to crush our people they would have used boats to Mozambique but no, they went to Shimoni in Kenya as refugees.

We Zanzibaris are very bitter that we are being mistreated and ignored in the EAF debate, our founding fathers are being described by some readers as Makuli! Ngumbaru etc. sincerely with this hate how can we be proud to be part of the Muungano. We want to join COMESA/ EAF as Zanzibar and not Tanzania.

We are poor and divided in Zanzibar because of this union thing! Some people say we Zanzibaris are lazy and uneducated! Would a man like me be in UK studying hard? I need to help my people progress. Insults will not help them please.....

Kwa wale wenzangu wanao tumia lugha iso stahili lazma ni wakumbushe kwamba ustaarabu ulianzia Zanzibar. Tuko tayari kuwa elimisha.

Wasalaam
Mzanzibari
Toka Mlandege
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I wonder what type of doctorate of economics you are taking as you can't differentiate between Zanzibar and Tanzania.

For your information Zanzibar is part of Tanzania.


Dua
 
Unregistered said:
Yahye kwanza nikwambia kabisa kama unataka mjadala wa muungano wa Tanzania mwombe Administrator afungue huu mjadala . Nitafurahi sana ili nikujibu mapigo yake maana hapa tunaongelea swala la muungano wa East Africa. Natumaini ni vizuri ukalielewa hilo.

Mengine yote hayo tisa.


But surely we should also ask ourselves... where is Zanzibar??? is it not in East Africa, secondly if we can include the Rwanda's Burundi into the EAF why not Zanzibar????
Balozi
 
Balozi said:
But surely we should also ask ourselves... where is Zanzibar??? is it not in East Africa, secondly if we can include the Rwanda's Burundi into the EAF why not Zanzibar????
Balozi

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Balozi,

Zanzibar is part of Tz, if Tz joins EAF, Zanzibar will be in automatically. So there is no point discussing Zanzibar to join EAF, that's contrary to Tz constitution.
 
Tunauwezo wa kushindana na Wakenya,Watanzania tusiwe na wasiwasi,wasiwasi tulionao ndiyo unatudumaza na kuonekana malimbukeni wakati tuko vizuri na hata wakenya wanatambua hilo wanachotumia ni vita vya kisaikolojia tu

bigmakky
 
Wasalaam,

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Eric,

Naomba uliweke tamko hili Jamboforum/TEF. Waeleze nimeshindwa kuingia kuliweka. Forum inakataa jina na password yangu. Naomba moderator anitumie maelekezo kwenye mnyika@yahoo.com. Waeleze kuwa hoja zilizoelekezwa kwangu kuhusu elimu nitazijibu baada ya hii kama nilivyoahidi.

JJ

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UTANGULIZI

Tamko hili linatoa taarifa ya timu ya kampeni ya mgombea ubunge wa Afrika Mashariki kwa tiketi ya Chama cha Demokrasia na Maendeleo(CHADEMA) kuhusu mapungufu, mafanikio, mapendekezo na mwelekeo kuhusiana na mchakato wa uchaguzi husika.

Novemba pili mwaka 2006 wabunge wa bunge la Jamhuri ya Muungano wa Tanzania walichagua kwa niaba ya watanzania wabunge wa kuiwakilisha nchi yetu kwenye bunge la Jumuia ya Afrika Mashariki.

Mchakato wa uchaguzi huu ulianza rasmi mapema mwezi Septemba baada ya katibu wa bunge kutangaza nafasi kuwa wazi na kupeleka barua kwa vyama kuteua wagombea.

CHADEMA kilishiriki katika uchaguzi huo toka mwanzo mpaka mwisho wa mchakato wa uchaguzi huu.

CHADEMA ilianza kwa kutangaza kwa uwazi kwa wanachama wake katika ngazi mbalimbali kujitokeza kugombea nafasi za ubunge wa Afrika Mashariki kwa tiketi ya CHADEMA. Wanachama mbalimbali walijitokeza kuomba na kamati kuu iliketi Oktoba 27 mwaka huu kufanya uteuzi wa wagombea ambapo wagombea wawili waliteuliwa mmoja katika kundi la wanawake na mmoja katika kundi la vyama vya upinzani. Mgombea wa kundi la wanawake alijitoa katika hatua za awali kabla ya jina lake kuwasilishwa kwa msimamizi wa uchaguzi.

Hivyo CHADEMA iliwasilisha jina la mgombea mmoja katika kundi C la vyama vya upinzani Profesa Mwesiga Baregu. Timu ya kampeni iliundwa kwa ajili ya kuratibu kampeni za mgombea wa CHADEMA katika uchaguzi huo.

Lifuatalo ni tamko la timu ya kampeni za mgombea wa Afrika ya Mashariki kwa tiketi ya CHADEMA kuhusu uchaguzi huo.


MAPUNGUFU:

Uchaguzi wa Bunge la Afrika ya Mashariki 2006 HAUKUWA HURU WALA WA HAKI kutokana na mapungufu yafuatayo ya msingi:

1. UFISADI NA SHINIKIZO/MAELEKEZO KWA WAPIGA KURA: Kampeni zilitawaliwa na mapungufu mawili makubwa: Mosi, palikuwa na ufisadi katika kampeni hususani katika makundi yaliyogombewa na wagombea wa Chama cha Mapinduzi(CCM) pekee. Katika lugha rahisi ufisadi unaweza kutafsiriwa kama uozo wa kimaadili ambao unajumuisha rushwa ya fedha, matumizi mabaya ya madaraka nakadhalika. Katika kundi hili la wagombea yalisikika malalamiko toka kwa wagombea mbalimbali kwamba wapo waliokuwa wakitumia rushwa ya fedha, wengine wakitumia sababu za kuwa na ndugu zao ama watu wa karibu yao walioko katika utawala na hivyo kampeni kujikita katika siasa za makundi na kambi mbalimbali. Takribani nusu ya wagombea walioshinda wana undugu na watu mbalimbali katika utawala ama baba, kaka, wanandoa nakadhalika.

Pia palikuwa na malalamiko ya kuwepo kwa kampeni za kuchafuana hususani kupitia jumbe za simu za mkono.(SMS). Lakini katika hali ya kushangaza na pengine yenye kuleta hisia za kulindana wagombea hao hao walihutubia na kutangaza kwamba mchakato mzima ulikuwa wa kidemokrasia. Kwa upande wa kundi C la upinzani hali ilikuwa mbaya zaidi, kwa ujumla wapiga kura ambao pia ni wabunge wa jamhuri ya Muungano wengi wao walipiga kura kwa shinikizo na maelekezo. Usiku wa kuamkia siku ya kupiga kura wabunge wa CCM walikutana kama kamati ya chama chao(party caucus). Vyanzo vya kuaminika vimedokeza kwamba kupitia kikao hicho aliyekuwa Mwenyekiti wa Kikao Mheshimiwa Edward Lowasa ambaye pia ni Waziri Mkuu alitoa maelekezo kwamba imeamuliwa kura zote za wabunge wa CCM apewe mgombea wa UDP Dk. Fortunatus Masha.
Vyanzo mbalimbali vinaeleza kuwa hoja hii ilizua mjadala huku wachache wakiipinga waziwazi lakini mwisho shinikizo na maelekezo hayo yalibadili upepo wa uchaguzi. Sababu za kufikia uamuzi huu zilizotolewa ni pamoja na hisia kwamba Profesa Baregu angekuwa na msimamo usiyoyumbishwa katika masuala fulani fulani na kwa upande mwingine hofu kwamba kumpa fursa hiyo ingekuwa ni kama kuijenga CHADEMA kisiasa. Kwa ujumla ufisadi na shinikizo vilifanya wengi ya wabunge wapige kura si kwa kuzingatia zaidi uwezo wa wagombea na maslahi ya taifa na hivyo kufanya uchaguzi kutokuwa huru na wa haki hususani katika kundi la vyama vya upinzani.

2. UKIUKWAJI WA KANUNI NA TARATIBU ZA UCHAGUZI:Kuanzia mchakato wa uchaguzi wa bunge la Afrika ya mashariki kwa upande wa Tanzania ulipotangazwa CHADEMA ilimuandikia barua spika katika hatua mbalimbali kutaka ufafanuzi ama kulalamikia baadhi ya taratibu. Masuala mengi ambayo CHADEMA ilipendekeza yazingatiwe katika uchaguzi huu hayakuzingatiwa. Lakini kwa upande mwingine ofisi ya spika ilitoa ufafanuzi kwamba vyama vya upinzani vinayoruhusa ya kusimamisha wagombea katika makundi mbalimbali katika uchaguzi huu zaidi ya kundi C ambalo limetengwa mahususi kwa vyama vya upinzani.

Barua hii ndio ilikuwa msingi wa matangazo ya mwito kwa wanachama kujitokeza kugombea na hata mchakato wa kuteua wagombea uliofanywa na kikao cha kamati kuu ya CHADEMA. Ufafanuzi huu uliendana pia na hukumu iliyotolewa na msimamizi wa uchaguzi wa kipindi kilichopita ambaye alikuwa katibu wa bunge kipindi hicho Bwana Musa Kipenka ambaye kwa sasa ni Jaji wa Mahakama Kuu. Katika hoja zake alizotumia kutupilia mbali pingamizi dhidi ya mgombea mmoja wapo wa TLP wakati huo aliweka bayana kuwa vyama vya upinzani vinahaki ya kugombea katika makundi mbalimbali ya uchaguzi huo. Lakini hali ilikuwa tofauti katika hatua za mwisho za uchaguzi wa mwaka huu ambapo spika wa bunge aliamua ama kwa kutokujua au kwa makusudi kupindisha kanuni na tafsiri yake. Baadhi ya vitendo vya ukiukwaji wa kanuni na taratibu ni pamoja na: Mosi, uhuru wa mawazo na haki ya kujitetea iliminywa hususani katika hatua za awali za msingi. Kuanzia katika utangulizi wake spika alionyesha kuwa hayuko tayari kwa majadiliano huku akisisitiza kwamba mwongozo wa spika ni wa mwisho na kwamba yoyote mwenye dukuduku awasilishe malalamiko yake katika kamati inayohusika na kwamba maamuzi ya kamati yatatolewa baada ya uchaguzi na yatakuwa ni kwa ajili ya kumbukumbu tu.

Pamoja na kwamba kanuni za sasa zinampa mamlaka haya spika kwa vyovyote vile kwa nia ya kuondoa mashaka na madukuduku tulitegemea spika angepanua wigo wa majadiliano na maridhiano kwa mamlaka hayo hayo aliyopewa. Pili, Spika alimnyima mathalani mgombea wa CUF Mohamed Abrahaman Dedes haki yake ya kugombea kundi la Zanzibar. Na mbaya zaidi spika alimhamishia kundi la upinzani ambalo silo alilotaka kugombea. Hii ni sawa na mtu aliyewasilisha fomu za kugombea ubunge Ubungo ajikute tume ya uchaguzi imempeleka kugombea Ilala. Kwa vyovyote vile mgombea aliyefanyiwa hivi anao uhalali wa kisheria wa kubatilisha uchaguzi kutokana na kunyimwa haki yake ya kushiriki.

Tatu, spika alimua kutumia mamlaka aliyopewa kuteua maofisa wa ofisi yake kuwa mawakala wa kuhesabu kura badala ya mawakala kupendekezwa na wagombea au vyama vyao ama kambi mbili za bunge(ingawa baadaye aliruhusu wagombea kushuhudia izingatiwe kuwa katika mazingira ya uchaguzi mara nyingi mgombea mwenyewe hushindwa kuwa wakala, ndio maana katika uchaguzi unaofuata misingi ya demokrasia mgombea hupewa fursa ya kuteua wakala wa kumwakilisha). Ikumbukwe kuwa katika uchaguzi uliopita spika wa wakati huo, Pius Msekwa aliteua mawakala wawili miongoni mwa wabunge mmoja akiwakilisha chama tawala na mwingine akiwakilisha kambi ya upinzani.


MAFANIKIO:

a) TUMEENDESHA KAMPENI ZENYE UFANISI NA KUWEKA MBELE MASLAHI YA TAIFA: Timu ya kampeni ya CHADEMA ilifanikiwa kuendeleza utamaduni wa kuendesha kampeni zenye ufanisi zilizojikita katika ajenda, uwezo wa mgombea na kutanguliza mbele maslahi ya taifa. Mgombea wa CHADEMA Profesa Mwesiga Baregu aliongoza kwa kuweka bayana ajenda zake kuhusu Afrika ya Mashariki na kumfanya kukubalika na kuheshimika. Alibainisha vyema dira(vision) yake ya kuona Afrika ya Mashariki yenye watu wenye ustawi ambayo imeungana kiuchumi na yenye umoja wa kisiasa ikiongoza mwendo kuelekea jumuia ya kiuchumi ya afrika na Umoja wa Afrika wenye kukabiliana na chagamoto zo utandawazi. Nia na sababu zilizomfanya agombee pamoja na malengo yake ya kufanya kama angechaguliwa kuiwakilisha nchi katika bunge hilo kwa pamoja viliibua majadiliano.

Baadhi ya masuala yaliyoibuka ni pamoja na: haja ya Tanzania kuwa nchi ongozi katika mchakato wa Afrika ya Mashariki kutokana na uzoefu wake katika Muungano, idadi ya watu, uwingi wa raslimali na kadhalika; kulinda maslahi ya Tanzania katika muktadha wa maslahi ya pamoja yanayohusiana baina ya nchi za afrika ya mashariki; nafasi ya jumuia katika kufanya mageuzi ya kiuchumi katika nchi wanachama na pendekezo la wabunge wa Afrika Mashariki kuchaguliwa moja kwa moja na wananchi ama kupanua mfumo wa uwakilishi na uchaguzi. Kwa ujumla wasifu wa Profesa Baregu kama msomi anayeshimika katika masuala ya siasa na mahusiano ya kimataifa pamoja na mchango wake katika kamati mbalimbali za kiserikali (chini ya wizara ya mambo ya nchi za nje na ushirikiano wa kimataifa) za michakato ya amani ya katika eneo la maziwa makuu na usalama wa Afrika ya Mashariki vilifanya watu wengi kumpa nafasi kubwa ya kushinda katika
 
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