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[Wacha1]

vuvuzela?? u mean the one that you imported from south africa or kenya becuz tanzania is an incapable of manufacturing one for themselves? 😛ound:😛ound:😛ound:

let me put it to this way you xenophobic And insecure homo sapien, KENYANS ARE COMING TO TANZANIA WETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. THE SAD TRUTH FOR YOU IS THAT YOU CANNOT STOP KENYANS FROM COMING EVEN IF YOUR TRIED.

Si unaona tabia yako umekaa kimungiki mungiki tu khe khe khe tena wewe hata ukija TZ hakuna shida kwa sababu hutaweza kufanya chochote cha maana zaidi ya kuwa mfagizi mzuri wa barabara zetu. Niambie utakuja lini nikutafutie kibarua kabisa.

 

[Koba]

Nafikiri unahitaji kuangalia 'African journey' .. .... odyssey Jonathan Dimbleby alipokuwa anasafiri kutoka Congo kwenda Durban, wakati Congo wanasafirisha cobalt kwenda kutengeneza battery za cell phones nk. Madini kutoka Congo yanakadiriwa kuwa na utajiri wa 24 trillion US dollars.
　
Hatuwezi leo hii sisi kama waafrika kung'ang'ania kuungana na Congo ili tufaidi utajiri wao? (Hicho ndicho Kenya wanakifanya) Kila nchi ina rasilimali zake sasa kama Kenya wanapenda kuchinjana kama nguruwe halafu wanasema ati Nyerere alisema tuungane na huo ni kama msahafu tusiubadilishe hilo linakuwa ni jinamizi. Nyerere alilitaka hilo la kuungana alipokuwa hai na sababu alikuwa nazo lakini tusisahau ni marehemu JK Nyerere ndiye alifunga mpaka na Kenya manyang'au kwa sababu ya ukahaba wao na nchi za magharibi.

Jakaya Kikwete na B W Mkapa ni wasaliti wanafikiri familia zao zitajificha kwenye hii Jumuiya. Vizazi vyetu bado vipo hai na watalipishwa mara dufu mara muda utakapowadia. Ni hawa hawa wakenya ambao wanatupiga vita hata kwenye rasilimali zetu halafu kuna vimburu wanakuja hapa na kufikiri rasilimali za Tanzania ni mali ya Moi au ukoo wa Kenyata au Kenyans. We will never surrender endeleeni tu kufikiri sisi tulioona yale mapambano tumesahau. Nop wrong number and the sooner you realize that the better. Smata aka Jasusi kutoka Kenya na vikaragosi wao hawawezi kuiteka Tanzania. We are bigger than Kikwete or CCM for that matter.

....hah haha here another i-diot with a terrible grammar,who wants to hijack TZ? kweli you re deluded bro,ones who re doing big damages like IPTL,gold companies,mafisadi etc huoni? hiyo blind patriotism itakumaliza mpuuzi wewe,and pls just STFU maana we have had enough of your s-tupidity and irrational theories...EA is here and nothing you can do to stop it.

 

[Rufiji]

Wewe Koba, what is wrong with you ?Can't you express your opinions without insulting others? It seems your so closed minded, and worst of all, arrogant.

 

[Koba]

Wewe Koba, what is wrong with you ?Can't you express your opinions without insulting others? It seems your so closed minded, and worst of all, arrogant.

...kabla ya kulaumu koba,angalia hao you re trying to defend walivyonitukana huko nyuma,na wewe you call me names seems unataka same language itumike kwako,watch out.

 

[paradox]

....hah haha here another i-diot with a terrible grammar,who wants to hijack TZ? kweli you re deluded bro,ones who re doing big damages like IPTL,gold companies,mafisadi etc huoni? hiyo blind patriotism itakumaliza mpuuzi wewe,and pls just STFU maana we have had enough of your s-tupidity and irrational theories...EA is here and nothing you can do to stop it.

😛ound: This particular comment made me LOL. 😛ound:

 

[Rufiji]

Koba ,

I am not going to be intimidated with your threat. If you want go ahead and curse me out; however, that will not stop me from expressing my opinions. I would like to remind you that JAMII FORUM is a public site so you must stop using derogative terms. Remember, respect is two way street. Respect others and you will be respected.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Why Tanzania needs second thought on EAC (2)

By FURA MURO, 14th June 2010 @ 16:00, Total Comments: 0, Hits: 181

YESTERDAY we published an examination of some developments that have taken place during the 10 years existence of the East African Community (EAC). In the second and last part of this article, the author FURA MURO, makes more observations and recommends on measures that Tanzania should take to achieve faster development…

Opportunity cost

- Evaluation of the performance of exports from Tanzania to Kenya during 2005-2009 should serve as an important indicator in assessing the benefits of the EAC to Tanzania. If even before the Common Market starts to operate more than half of our exports constitute raw goods, we surely need to think again. The figures present facts, which are set to worsen, come the common market.

- If Tanzania continues to allow so much of its raw goods to be exported to its neighbours within the EAC, instead of devising ways through which value can be added on the raw good for subsequent export to the international market, then a very significant opportunity cost occurs to us. If it goes that way, which is in effect Tanzania facilitating greater returns to our neighbours (and not to Tanzania) from goods or products produced from our lakes, ocean, rivers and land, we have to think again.

- Tanzania also has to be sure that the time and other resources spent on the EAC arrangement could not have been spent more beneficially elsewhere in our economy, since a day has only 24 hours -- which have to be utilised carefully. Tanzania should and must choose wisely so that we don't reach a stage where we lose the country.

- By continuing with the implementation of the EAC process, Tanzania will be exposing itself to a host of new and costly (but unnecessary) problems. These might include tedious and time-consuming follow-ups on law-breakers on employment regulations; land ownership, etc. It is expected that there will be tireless attempts by nationals from neighbouring countries to circumvent Tanzania's land ownership laws & regulations in order to own land in our country.

The big picture

For some 20 years now, the share of Africa, South of Sahara (49 countries, including the relatively richer South Africa) in both world trade and global GDP has at best been about 2%. Strictly speaking the 2% is statistically insignificant and strategically irrelevant, even if the 49 countries were to unite.

Africa and Tanzania for that matter should think again about the ongoing push for regional integration, given the huge amounts of infrastructure investment required to make the integration succeed. Though it is important to think as Africans for Africa, it is far more important to first think as Tanzanians, for Tanzania.

The priority should be for Tanzania to come up with its own original Tanzanian solutions to our development problems and devoting less time, effort and resources in our participation in implementing East African or African solutions because we can not afford to over-stretch and make ourselves available for whatever is floated on the African/East African table.

Given the amount of natural resources that Tanzania has, our country is viable if we transform ourselves. Out of the 2% of global economy mentioned above, the South African economy account for roughly 0.5%. The remaining 1.5% is shared by the rest, i.e. 48 countries. Rules are rules, but to every rule there are exceptions.

It is widely said that "in unity there lies strength", but this is not always so. One of the main arguments put forward in favour of the EAC is that the unity will mean strength, bigger market (120 million, poor people), investments attraction etc…etc.

Tanzania has the right to think globally, and to aim big. If 48 sub-Saharan African Countries account for a mere 1.5% of the world economy, how real and true is the argument that unity of 5 East African Countries (the EAC, a small sub-set of the 48 countries) will result into something powerful, a stronger voice, a magnet for investments, and so on?

Exports data from Tanzania to Kenya from 2005 to 2009 point to a trade relationship which is not sustainable because one of the partners i.e. Tanzania has essentially been a supplier of raw goods to the other, a picture which is expected to worsen under the Common Market regime.

The EAC is an experimentation which Tanzania is embarking on, in which tiny, fragile economies with weak and inefficient administrative and regulatory systems are forging a European Union (EU)-styled integration! Learning is good, but copying unwisely can be dangerous and demeaning.

Tanzania's objective should be to organize itself into a competitive economy so that we can export to the whole world, especially to the bigger, richer economies that account for 98% of global income. In other words, it makes more economic sense to position ourselves to export to the roughly 6 billion relatively wealthier people of the greater world, rather than focusing so much on EAC's 120 million poor people.

This should be our priority, and we can achieve it without going through the EAC and its entangling treaty, and the amount of time that we are going to waste there.

Hallo Tanzania: why shop around for problems?

What Tanzania should do to achieve faster development:- Our problems are not so much to do with the availability of natural resources within Tanzania. From that fact, one of the most urgent steps that Tanzania should take is to carry out a critical and thorough examination of itself as a nation and as an economy.

To do this Tanzania has to borrow or learn much from the medical field. Appropriate treatment starts from, or depends on the quality of DIAGNOSIS undertaken on the patient/problem. In my opinion, the most primary and serious problem that Tanzania faces has to do with the quality of our Human Capital, in all its dimensions.

Almost every problem that Tanzania faces today is directly or indirectly associated with the cumulative and consequential effects of the Human Capital quality problem, since 1961. Again, this problem is serious, it is structural, and therefore it should be further diagnosed before strategies for its treatment are sought.

The ultimate objective should be to transform our Human Resource into being able to meet the requirements or demands or essentials of a market economy/capitalist system that we are in. The requirements can be described as a package broadly consisting of speed, accuracy and efficiency.

The package enables a society to be able to handle the complexities and sophistications associated with the running of a market economy which include tricks, manipulations, dummies, management systems & styles and optimization strategies. Once the Human Capital problem is thoroughly addressed, the tireless efforts of our leader to develop Tanzania will bear greater results and our potentials as a country will be realized. Tanzania can become a big, powerful country.

It is possible!

Another area which needs urgent attention is the promotion and embracing of Economic Efficiency in all spheres of our lives and at every level. Let us make Economic Efficiency an essential component of our culture. A sub-part of Economic Efficiency, which can greatly improve our economy, and the lives of Tanzanians is waste-minimization.

Tanzanians endure wastefulness in nearly every level of our day to day living, from the small kitchen in the village, peasants' farms (especially during harvests) to the big parastatal organizations, and government ministries and departments.

Being so poor but so wasteful is disturbing.

- Tanzania also needs to conduct a serious, honest and exhaustive internal discussion about its future. Let Tanzanians wherever they are, come out and reason for our beloved country. After all, time is not so much on our side.

Recommendations:

Given the state of our manufacturing sector on the one hand and the quality of our Human Capital on the other, it is advisable for Tanzania not to allow itself to continue to get further sucked into the EAC process. On balance, Tanzania is a net loser.

It means Tanzania's time and other resources will yield greater returns and satisfaction if spent elsewhere like in putting our house/economy in order so that we can one day be able to negotiate from positions of strength. Also, to continue with a bad project simply because you have already invested in the project or you are already committed to it is as good as being suicidal. Those costs are sunk.

Reducing our involvement in the EAC or even withdrawing can be costly, but not as costly as deciding to hang on. The Common Market protocol has already been signed and ratified by parliament and some aspects of the market are to become operational on July 1.

Nevertheless, Tanzania should "swallow its pride" and abstain from implementing the protocol until it is comfortable that we are not becoming a spring-board for others' economic and social development.

*The author of this article is an economist who is currently doing private business.
Daily News | Why Tanzania needs second thought on EAC (2)

 

[Koba]

OK sasa the very first benefits za EA ndio zina kick in this yr,in Education sasa all the students from member states will have same tuition fees,choice ni kubwa kwa wote kama unataka kenyata,UD,makerere or university of nairobi etc you will pay same tuition fees(not as international student),really it doesnt make sense kwa Tanzanians kwenda kenyata or makerere na kulipa double tuition fees,now you can study from any country of your choice without being restricted by tuition fees,wabongo msioelewa sasa ile mikopo ya elimu ya juu mnaweza kujisomesha University of nairobi/Kenyatta/makerere/KIST etc sio lazima wote mgombanie UD au vyuo ambavyo hata nyie wenyewe mnaviona sub standard

 

[Abdulhalim]

the above may be true but my friend umoja ni nguvu..we are of the same mother as EAfricans we cant divorce ourselves,where else in the world would you find our shared commonalities eg language? in a family there may be diferent members with different personalities and yet they are one !

Kama umoja ni nguvu kwa nini msiungane na Somalia/ Ethiopia na Southern Sudan? Nadhani mngeanza kuunganisha nguvu na Somalia maana wapo tele huko kwenu.

 

[Abdulhalim]

Did I miss the memo? Is there a treaty that you signed to bound you into only exporting raw materials to Kenya? No, really... Look at it in my perspective, the author of this article is indirectly insinuating that Tanzania is somehow arm twisted or forced into supplying raw materials alone to Kenya thus blocking it from exporting other commodities of much benefit to it, while obviously this is not the case. Its common fact that in the absence of Kenya (hypothetically), another country would align itself to benefit from Tanzania, just as Kenya is doing right now, which country wouldn't want cheap raw materials for its industries? Am sure Kenya isnt one of them.

U should improve on ur level of understanding . Sijaona popote mwandishi amesema hayo unayoyasema.

 

[Abdulhalim]

The writer of this article sounds desperate and empty upstairs,he has only pointed out problems and not offered any solution,I wish he would explore ways Tanzania can transform herself from a supplier of raw materials into that of value added products.You must invest in innovation, embrace new technology and most important encourage local participation in the economy, by encouraging the growth of Small and Medium size Enterprises and co-operative movement.
Entrepreneurship is the key,your govt must create an enviroment that would enable Tanzianinas to embrace this emerging opportunites, this is a challenge to every individual Tanzanian,dont wait for things to happen,make them happen.If you find out that you are exporting raw materials,find out ways that can encourage value addittion at a price that is not neccesarily cheap but affordable to Kenyans or E. Africans for that matter,give tax incentives,reduce the cost of production and manufactures will flock to your country.
You have an advantage over us,here in Kenya the cost of doing business is still high,we are heavily taxed,the cost of power is still high,always worried about political stability plus many other challanges,and still we have managed to keep investors here and still promote local investments.
Instead of positioning yourself as cry babies of East Africa,find ways of converting your problems and challanges into opportunities.Even us we still have some issues with EAC but we are not complaining,we have embraced it and positioned ourselves to fully benefit from it.TZ should remember,it is not about our countries but individual citizens of EAC,it is upto everyone of us to wake up and explore avenues we can empower ourselves.It can encouraging to hear a Tanzanian teaming up with a Kenyan to form a company with branches in Dar and Nrb even Kampala.We must share skills,and find out how we can merge our talents to build this region,we should not over rely on our individual govt's,they too have selfish interests in this EAC thing.
USA is a super power because different states united to form a strong union,the same applies to EU.Tanzania has everything on earth any nation would dream of,we should be hearing better things from you people,not complains everytime you talk about EAC.Remember it was your project thru the late Nyerere,and it is time for you defend and protect it by all means.I heard TZ has donated land to build the EAC HQ's,this is a good move.

Mosi, Nafikiri umepata panic attack baada ya kusoma hiyo article. Article ime-expose hizo takwimu kuhusu hizo exports, jinsi zilivojaa commodities ambazo hazijawa added a value. Thats is enough for me, huhitaji zaidi kusema nini kifanyike manake the opposite applies. Sasa hapa MJINGA NA PUNGUANI NI NANI?

Pili, hii article haihusu Kenya na hicho kinachoendelea Kibera is totally ur problems. Hizo habari za tax incentives sijui nini, mmei-embrace EAC has nothing to do with this article. Article inahusu waTz na jinsi walichukueje suala la EAC...hizo sarakasi zenu za kutaka kuwalaumu waTz kwamba wanaogopa EAC ili waingie kuprove a point, ni mbinu ya kijinga na kitoto. Natumai waTz watatumia akili zao (ambazo nina hakika ni nyingi zaidi kuliko nyinyi nyang'auz ndio maana tunaishi bila kuuana wala kulipuana na maguruneti) kuhakikisha wanapima faida na hasara za EAC na kuchagua njia sahihi ya kufuata.

 

[Abdulhalim]

blah blah blah, bottom line is EAC is a reality and you cant do anything to stop it. kenyans will come to tz and you will have to take it. you will have to put up with a kenyan neighbour who cant speak proper kiswahili.

Kwani wakenya walikatazwa kuja Tz? Wehu bana.

 

[Smatta]

Koba ,

I am not going to be intimidated with your threat. If you want go ahead and curse me out; however, that will not stop me from expressing my opinions. I would like to remind you that JAMII FORUM is a public site so you must stop using derogative terms. Remember, respect is two way street. Respect others and you will be respected.

Stop with the double standards Rufiji, can you compare the language Koba is using and the ones the retards Kanyabwoya and GU are using? If you want to pretend that you mean well, then tell your brothers to stop using abusive languages.

 

[Smatta]

Natumai waTz watatumia akili zao (ambazo nina hakika ni nyingi zaidi kuliko nyinyi nyang'auz ndio maana tunaishi bila kuuana wala kulipuana na maguruneti) kuhakikisha wanapima faida na hasara za EAC na kuchagua njia sahihi ya kufuata.

hahahahaha.... Watanzania wapimanishwe na Kenya upande wa intelligence? Let me not be shallow but DAMN son if the zain challenge was anything to go by(wish it was a statistic, then you'd be ranked the dumbest African country), then I guess you wouldnt sound so cocky, you are still many years behind us education wise. just because you have the sense God gave geese (interms of not killing your neighbor every five years) doesnt make you intelligent, it only shows that you have empathy and a little humanity, or maybe a trait of cowardice, dont go bragging around that you are intelligent just because you have a lethargic populace, which cant react no matter what is done to them.

Excuse my arrogance, you just made my day.. Tanzanians>>>intelligence= OXYMORON

 

[The Quonquerer]

the above may be true but my friend umoja ni nguvu..we are of the same mother as EAfricans we cant divorce ourselves,where else in the world would you find our shared commonalities eg language? in a family there may be diferent members with different personalities and yet they are one !

We have nothing in common with Kenyans! Tofauti yetu ni kama mbingu na nchi!

 

[The Quonquerer]

hahahahaha..... Watanzania wapimanishwe na Kenya upande wa intelligence? Let me not be shallow but DAMN son if the zain challenge was anything to go by(wish it was a statistic, then you'd be ranked the dumbest African country), then I guess you wouldnt sound so cocky, you are still many years behind us education wise. just because you have the sense God gave geese (interms of not killing your neighbor every five years) doesnt make you intelligent, it only shows that you have empathy and a little humanity, or maybe a trait of cowardice, dont go bragging around that you are intelligent just because you have a lethargic populace, which cant react no matter what is done to them.

Excuse my arrogance, you just made my day.. Tanzanians>>>intelligence= OXYMORON

Huyu mhamiaji haramu, mvamizi. Come in droves lakini ncha ya upanga iko juu ya shingo zenu! Hili liuza unga eti mfanya biashara! Wewe unadhani Zain Challenge ndiyo kigezo cha akili. Kama mna akili mbona kazi yenu kutanga tanga nchi za watu, kwa nini hamkai kwenye nchi yenu njaa ikawamaliza!

 

[Abdulhalim]

hahahahaha..... Watanzania wapimanishwe na Kenya upande wa intelligence? Let me not be shallow but DAMN son if the zain challenge was anything to go by(wish it was a statistic, then you'd be ranked the dumbest African country), then I guess you wouldnt sound so cocky, you are still many years behind us education wise. just because you have the sense God gave geese (interms of not killing your neighbor every five years) doesnt make you intelligent, it only shows that you have empathy and a little humanity, or maybe a trait of cowardice, dont go bragging around that you are intelligent just because you have a lethargic populace, which cant react no matter what is done to them.

Excuse my arrogance, you just made my day.. Tanzanians>>>intelligence= OXYMORON

A typical example of HOW kenyans are LESS INTELLIGENT.

Commonsense,Zain Challenge, IQ, Education are all the same to 'intelligent' smatta..ha ha ha..I mean this is really compelling.

Nimeongelea mauaji kuonesha kwamba wakenya wako na zero commonsense. Sasa ukiwa na zero commonsense no amount of education. IQ, etc ect would mean anything. SItaki kwenda kukokotoa huko kwingine..lol

 

[The Quonquerer]

Stop with the double standards Rufiji, can you compare the language Koba is using and the ones the retards Kanyabwoya and GU are using? If you want to pretend that you mean well, then tell your brothers to stop using abusive languages.

Wewe firauni, mimi siku-post kitu chochote halafu unanitaja? Unaniota, mvamizi wewe, mhamiaji haramu. Adhabu yako unaijua, a very sharp machete kutoka wananchi wenye hasira kali dhidi wahamiaji haramu! Wanachi wanakusubiri, usidhani watakubali kudhulimiwa na ma-vikuyu na maluo (ya Kenya). Ncha ya Upanga iko juu ya Manyang'au! Mpini tumeushikilia sisi, we r the ones to make it or break it! You r just desperate like Somalians, mnaona kwenu mnachinjana kwa hiyo mnaona TZ ndiyo pa kuponea! Lakini tutawaonyesha tu!

 

[Smatta]

A typical example of HOW kenyans are LESS INTELLIGENT.

Commonsense,Zain Challenge, IQ, Education are all the same to 'intelligent' smatta..ha ha ha..I mean this is really compelling.

Nimeongelea mauaji kuonesha kwamba wakenya wako na zero commonsense. Sasa ukiwa na zero commonsense no amount of education. IQ, etc ect would mean anything. SItaki kwenda kukokotoa huko kwingine..lol

Haujaelewa hapo niliposema nataka kuwa shallow, ama huelewi mtu anaposema ako shallow anamaanishaje? Kisha nikasema na wish hiyo Zain challenge ingekuwa stats, so you cant hold this to question my intelligence.. Nyinyi Watanzania ni wavivu na hamjaenda shule, this is a fact, no one can ever challenge this, only a handful of of have seen the inside of a class.

 

[The Quonquerer]

The writer of this article sounds desperate and empty upstairs,he has only pointed out problems and not offered any solution,I wish he would explore ways Tanzania can transform herself from a supplier of raw materials into that of value added products.You must invest in innovation, embrace new technology and most important encourage local participation in the economy, by encouraging the growth of Small and Medium size Enterprises and co-operative movement.
Entrepreneurship is the key,your govt must create an enviroment that would enable Tanzianinas to embrace this emerging opportunites, this is a challenge to every individual Tanzanian,dont wait for things to happen,make them happen.If you find out that you are exporting raw materials,find out ways that can encourage value addittion at a price that is not neccesarily cheap but affordable to Kenyans or E. Africans for that matter,give tax incentives,reduce the cost of production and manufactures will flock to your country.
You have an advantage over us,here in Kenya the cost of doing business is still high,we are heavily taxed,the cost of power is still high,always worried about political stability plus many other challanges,and still we have managed to keep investors here and still promote local investments.
Instead of positioning yourself as cry babies of East Africa,find ways of converting your problems and challanges into opportunities.Even us we still have some issues with EAC but we are not complaining,we have embraced it and positioned ourselves to fully benefit from it.TZ should remember,it is not about our countries but individual citizens of EAC,it is upto everyone of us to wake up and explore avenues we can empower ourselves.It can encouraging to hear a Tanzanian teaming up with a Kenyan to form a company with branches in Dar and Nrb even Kampala.We must share skills,and find out how we can merge our talents to build this region,we should not over rely on our individual govt's,they too have selfish interests in this EAC thing.
USA is a super power because different states united to form a strong union,the same applies to EU.Tanzania has everything on earth any nation would dream of,we should be hearing better things from you people,not complains everytime you talk about EAC.Remember it was your project thru the late Nyerere,and it is time for you defend and protect it by all means.I heard TZ has donated land to build the EAC HQ's,this is a good move.

If it was our Nyerere's project, how did he end up coining the name 'Nyang'au' reffering to hypocrite Kenyans. That's was his favorite word for Kenyans, do u wht it means? Donating land isn't an issue, we have our strategies as well, as the ones you had when you broke the first EAC. A thing is, you don't give any attention to all your neighbors but Tanzania. Kama kweli nyie ni true panafricanist, mbona hamko excited na Somalia, Sudan na Ethiopia sana. Mnataka ku-export ujinga wenu wa kikabila na wizi na kuchinjana kuja kwetu, nothing new. We follow closely what goes on in your country..that country is filthy. You seem to be interested more on economic gains, lakini ujue siasa na mtangamano lazima viwe pamoja. Hakuna uchumi bila amani! Je kwenye ukombozi wa bara la Afrika, nyie mlijitolea nini? When were fighting Kaburu you were helping them together with the likes of Kamuzu Hastings Banda. How can we trust you then?