East African Federation (EAF) public Views

[The Quonquerer]

blah blah blah, bottom line is EAC is a reality and you cant do anything to stop it. kenyans will come to tz and you will have to take it. you will have to put up with a kenyan neighbour who cant speak proper kiswahili.[/QUOT

Come at your own risk! Nilikwambia ukija useme ulipo uone utakavyopondwa pondwa kama nzi. U r lucky there is no any Nyang'au in my neighborhood, he would have been your sacrificial lamb! Unfortunately i meet Ugandans and other nationalities who are actually cool. It's maybe when you come, you choose to bow down. Nakamwambia, mkenya akileta arrogance atakiona cha moto. Niliwahi kukutana na mmoja kwenye pool, we provoked him, tukaona ameogopa na aka-behave kistaarabu tukamwacha. Sasa haya unayoyaandika kwenye mtandao uje uyafanye mtaani uone! Labda nisiwepo na chama langu! I don;t get it, getting excited with being an illegal alien.!!

 

[Njimba Nsalilwe]

If it was our Nyerere's project, how did he end up coining the name 'Nyang'au' reffering to hypocrite Kenyans. That's was his favorite word for Kenyans, do u wht it means? Donating land isn't an issue, we have our strategies as well, as the ones you had when you broke the first EAC. A thing is, you don't give any attention to all your neighbors but Tanzania. Kama kweli nyie ni true panafricanist, mbona hamko excited na Somalia, Sudan na Ethiopia sana. Mnataka ku-export ujinga wenu wa kikabila na wizi na kuchinjana kuja kwetu, nothing new. We follow closely what goes on in your country..that country is filthy. You seem to be interested more on economic gains, lakini ujue siasa na mtangamano lazima viwe pamoja. Hakuna uchumi bila amani! Je kwenye ukombozi wa bara la Afrika, nyie mlijitolea nini? When were fighting Kaburu you were helping them together with the likes of Kamuzu Hastings Banda. How can we trust you then?

Dear Kanyabwoya!

I understand your point of views. However, I defer with you because the shortfalls and disadvantages of EAC are open and one does not need a degree as a prerequisite to understand them.

However, the biggest problem is our leaders as they embrace them with joy. Naturally, we are not violent, I do not see any Tanzanian one day taking a machete and trying to kill any foreigner. Do not forget that, Kenyans or other foreigners can not do anything in Tanzania without being supported by the Tanzanians themselves.

I will give you some examples:

1. How can a foreigner get a work permit without our migration service?
2. How can a foreigner sign a shod contract without our representative?
3. etc

I read somewhere that Tanzanians do not like each other. People prefer to deal with foreigners and show his fellow countryman/woman that is better than him/her. If we liked each other we could not be complaining of why Kenyans take our jobs. We are in our country but still they come and take our jobs at an expense of our fellow Tanzanians.

Let us find some ways of solving our fundamental problems before trying to blame others. And for me is simple let us love each other. Let us be prepared to be criticized then we can move forward.

Try to answer the following questions:
· who is responsible for the protection of our jobs?
· who is responsible for the protection of our EAC interests?
· who is responsible for the protection of our natural resources?
· etc

The simple answer to these questions is YOU AND ME

How? How? This is 2010 use your ballot right to put a leader who will understand your problems.

I think you understand my point of views.

The concerned citizen

Njimba Nsalilwe

 

[The Quonquerer]

Dear Kanyabwoya!

I understand your point of views. However, I defer with you because the shortfalls and disadvantages of EAC are open and one does not need a degree as a prerequisite to understand them.

However, the biggest problem is our leaders as they embrace them with joy. Naturally, we are not violent, I do not see any Tanzanian one day taking a machete and trying to kill any foreigner. Do not forget that, Kenyans or other foreigners can not do anything in Tanzania without being supported by the Tanzanians themselves.


I will give you some examples:

1. How can a foreigner get a work permit without our migration service?
2. How can a foreigner sign a shod contract without our representative?
3. etc

I read somewhere that Tanzanians do not like each other. People prefer to deal with foreigners and show his fellow countryman/woman that is better than him/her. If we liked each other we could not be complaining of why Kenyans take our jobs. We are in our country but still they come and take our jobs at an expense of our fellow Tanzanians.

Let us find some ways of solving our fundamental problems before trying to blame others. And for me is simple let us love each other. Let us be prepared to be criticized then we can move forward.

Try to answer the following questions:
· who is responsible for the protection of our jobs?
· who is responsible for the protection of our EAC interests?
· who is responsible for the protection of our natural resources?
· etc

The simple answer to these questions is YOU AND ME

How? How? This is 2010 use your ballot right to put a leader who will understand your problems.

I think you understand my point of views.

The concerned citizen

Njimba Nsalilwe

That's right Mkuu. But r u aware of what these people am responding to say about Tanzanians? I don't like CCM, but it will win, very dissapointing. A danger is that when a common mwananchi is betrayed by both leaders and foreigners, he resorts to what i was saying.

 

[eliakeem]

A typical example of HOW kenyans are LESS INTELLIGENT.

Commonsense,Zain Challenge, IQ, Education are all the same to 'intelligent' smatta..ha ha ha..I mean this is really compelling.

Nimeongelea mauaji kuonesha kwamba wakenya wako na zero commonsense. Sasa ukiwa na zero commonsense no amount of education. IQ, etc ect would mean anything. SItaki kwenda kukokotoa huko kwingine..lol

Teh, Teh, I told you the other day that, dont waste your valuable energy and time to argue with these guyz smatta, nomasana and the like. I repeat, they are just laymen who talk much. Now look, for him Zain Comp is a measure of IQ. Smatta Zain was just a memory competition. It was just an exam for students who attended the memory class. in a class students are provided with books to read before the memory competition session. Now for short sighted smatta, that is intelligence quotient competition.

 

[Wacha1]

....hah haha here another i-diot with a terrible grammar,who wants to hijack TZ? kweli you re deluded bro,ones who re doing big damages like IPTL,gold companies,mafisadi etc huoni? hiyo blind patriotism itakumaliza mpuuzi wewe,and pls just STFU maana we have had enough of your s-tupidity and irrational theories...EA is here and nothing you can do to stop it.

Khe khe khe umerudi si ulijigamba hapa husomi posts zangu yamekushinda sio?

Kuna vijitu vijinga kama Koba et al ambavyo vinafikiri ukienda kusoma Kenya au Uganda na kulipa ada ya Home fees ni faida, hata havifahamu kwamba kuna watu ambao wanalipa hiyo gharama kwa njia ya kodi. Kalikuja toka Rwanda/Burundi kakasomeshwa bure na fweza za walipa kodi wa Tanzania sasa kana bwata bwata kanataka kuleta ukoo mzima ubebwe na walipa kodi wa Tanzania, mburukenge kabisa. Hakafahamu kwamba maendeleo hayaletwi kwa kuunganisha mizoga na walio hai.

Usisikilize kanavyosema mwanzo kalisema kameweka Wacha1 kwenye ignore list lakini kana nyege sana kama kamalaya flani hivi hakawezi kukaa bila kuja kuandika pumba hapa. Katabaki kuwa kakimbizi hadi kiama hakawezi hata kurudi kwao.

Tanzania ni democracy na haiwezi kubabaishwa na hawa banyamulenge/Nyang'au ambao wanafikiri WTZ wamelala. Tupo macho na ole wenu sisi tunawakodolea macho tu siku ya siku yaja hapo ndipo mtakapojua Tanzania tupo namna gani, walijaribu akina Amin et al na hawakufua dafu itakuwa nyinyi. Muulizeni Ghadafi. Msione vinaelea vimeundwa ati? Hivi mnafikiri baada ya kuwahonga Mafisadi ndio basi?

 

[Njimba Nsalilwe]

That's right Mkuu. But r u aware of what these people am responding to say about Tanzanians? I don't like CCM, but it will win, very dissapointing. A danger is that when a common mwananchi is betrayed by both leaders and foreigners, he resorts to what i was saying.

Kanyabwoya,

My biggest problem is that, we can not do that, our hearts are too soft to an extent that, even if we are being betrayed with everybody, but still we do not feel it.

We must find a plan B,

Njimba

 

[Abdulhalim]

Haujaelewa hapo niliposema nataka kuwa shallow, ama huelewi mtu anaposema ako shallow anamaanishaje? Kisha nikasema na wish hiyo Zain challenge ingekuwa stats, so you cant hold this to question my intelligence.. Nyinyi Watanzania ni wavivu na hamjaenda shule, this is a fact, no one can ever challenge this, only a handful of of have seen the inside of a class.

Sijaelewa kitu gani hapo sasa, kwamba u wish Zain challenge ingekuwa ni kipimo cha commonsense?
Beware maguruneti mengine yako njiani kulipuliwa..

Kenyans have NO COMMONSENSE, na hiyo inafanya hata uwe na elimu sijui kingereza chenyu cha Accent iwe SUFURI. Ukishakuwa maiti elimu inasaidia nini? lol

 

[eliakeem]

Thanks for providing this discourse. This should be our priority and not a dead eac.

 

[Smatta]

Thanks for providing this discourse. This should be our priority and not a dead eac.

Wewe kaa kitako ungoje Julai Mosi, you could have come up with such discourse before you signed without reading the fine print, I aint arguing on this one, am sticking to the sidelines.
OUT

 

[eliakeem]

Why do you continue to write about things you obviously know nothing about? Seriously ur mom should have made that trip to the clinic

Teh teh teh, the boy has turned a jukwaa la wasomi to hyena squad. Abt-Chaz we offer you a sword, it is now in your hand. Kindly do like what you did to a trash guy who referred him/herself as BAD SEED.

 

[Koba]

....damn,this pathetic grown man failling miserably so he decided to hate on Kenyans,eti we provoke him and he behave,tukamwacha? seriously,you must be retard need to check in the mental hospital.

 

[PatPending]

All of you need to take a chill pill. The article raises some issues that it will be foolish to dismiss them, ila jamani seriously mbona mna hasira sana? Niliwaambia toka mwanzo kuwa post nyingi za Smatta ni windups na wengi wenu naona mnachukua hizo baits. Let's have a serious discussion and leave the juvenile profanities at home. We are all grown ups there is no need to resort to "mipasho" to make our points.
Seriously I sometimes wonder what the role of mods on here is

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

All of you need to take a chill pill. The article raises some issues that it will be foolish to dismiss them, ila jamani seriously mbona mna hasira sana? Niliwaambia toka mwanzo kuwa post nyingi za Smatta ni windups na wengi wenu naona mnachukua hizo baits. Let's have a serious discussion and leave the juvenile profanities at home. We are all grown ups there is no need to resort to "mipasho" to make our points.
Seriously I sometimes wonder what the role of mods on here is

Patpending,

Thank you for your civility on this matter. Its not easy moderating a forum whereby you have to go through each and every thread and postings to weed out uncivil postings that border on threats and grandstanding.

I call upon all members who fund postings to uncivil to use the 'report post' button so that the mods can do the needful.

Hizi thread za EAC zinaanzaga poa lakini somewhere along the line, grown folks lose it na wanaanza
matusi na chuki nyengine zisizokua na miguu wala kichwa.Lets work together to build a more civil forum
where reason superseeds misplaced nationalism on both sides.

To Smatta, please mind your language coz I know you can do better than post the verbiage that I have
just deleted. We can agree to disagree without insults please.

Regards.

 

[Smatta]

Patpending,

Thank you for your civility on this matter. Its not easy moderating a forum whereby you have to go through each and every thread and postings to weed out uncivil postings that border on threats and grandstanding.

I call upon all members who fund postings to uncivil to use the 'report post' button so that the mods can do the needful.

Hizi thread za EAC zinaanzaga poa lakini somewhere along the line, grown folks lose it na wanaanza
matusi na chuki nyengine zisizokua na miguu wala kichwa.Lets work together to build a more civil forum
where reason superseeds misplaced nationalism on both sides.

To Smatta, please mind your language coz I know you can do better than post the verbiage that I have
just deleted. We can agree to disagree without insults please.

Regards.

Word.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Humu ndani kuna some people for some reasons they know themselves tend to become abusive wherever an article arises concerning interests of Tanzania contrary to Kenya's! I never understand if those people behaviour can change others' perception on them! they usually resort into things like Xenophobia, uneducated (as if they themselves are soo educated than anyone in this forum) that leads to arrogance counter-replies! Pls moderator look at those people (esp. Nomasana, Moyo and Smatta ) cause it is too much overhere! nothing constructive can be discussed!

 

[RealDeal]

I've been going through all these comments on the thread and I am compelled to say that most of these comments come from less-intellect individuals. Well, maybe you people are just enjoying yourselves without necessarily having anything to say concerning the main issue. You guys are my fellow brothers and I think its important I tell you that some of these comments are really awful when its comes to matters of union. Please consider talking to your fellow NIKKAS with respect.

As for the main issue, I have to painfully say that this is the reason why Africa in general is not performing well economically. Just look at the EU and then tell me that there are some members who are benefiting than others. Even the US is comprised of states that work with mutual understanding and you can see the result. The US is the leading economic GIANTS followed by the EU.

In my opinion, Africa is the wealthiest continent when it comes to resources(natural), but the problem is that there has never been cooperation and fellow African is Jealous of the other. I am not trying to be philosophic but if Africa could realize the potential it has and work together, we would definitely beat all other critics.

 

[kabyesiza]

There Has Been A Quite A Few Critisisms About Aec In So Many Areas, Especially For The Residents Of The Republic State Of Tanzania, Thoguht I Should Pick Among Of Those, To Just Hear What You Have To Say Economically,

(1) How Have You Benefited Since The Establishment Of East African Community? Does It Mean Anything To You ?

(2) Do You Really Know What Its In The Treat Establishing The Commuity? And How It Counducts Its Administrative Business?

(3) How Activily, You As An Intended Citizen For The Solely Establishment Purpose Of This Community Are Engaged?

(4) Do You Get A Chance To Be Listened Of Your Concerns ??

 

[nomasana]

lets be realistic. yall can call for civillity all you want but as long as most of the topics here are about how evil and arrogant kenyans are vs how nice and "clean" tanzanians are then there will never be peace in this forum.

i for one wont let none of these tanzanians trash talk kenya and go unanswered.

if you want civility then let the topics be rational cuz if they are not then it will always be chaos.

 

[Smatta]

Stick to the thread, we decided unanimously to discuss issues not people, if you want to discuss about why Kenyans venture into Tanzania to do business, rob banks, take your employment and marry your women then start a new thread and I will definitely comment on it and give you my reasons and experiences. No need to divert and eventually kill this thread by your rhetoric, you know better than that

 

[Nyaralego]

We have nothing in common with Kenyans! Tofauti yetu ni kama mbingu na nchi!

Wishful thinking!!!

We are all cut from the same clothe, the sooner you accept the better for you. Remove that head that you have buried in the sand/ground...usiwe kama mbuni. Nobody is any better than the other.

Every one is searching for that crock of gold at the end of the rainbow.

I am amused and amazed at some of the postings about EAC in here.

For you TZedians who strongly oppose the EAC go tell your MP and stop wasting your time posting it in here coz it does not have an impact at all...people just write, wakishamaliza kuandika wanaenda kulala.

When they wake-up they whine some more about EAC. Nothing is achieved. If you feel so strongly about go and lobby it your bunge and stop chest thumping.