East African Federation (EAF) public Views

East African Federation (EAF) public Views

I'm 100% in agreement with the rediscovering of the EAC. This is great for the economy, trade and the union betwen the citizens. However, I understand that most Tanzanians are not ready for it, particularly because of inferiorities and concern about security in the region.

This issues needs to be addressed by our government as soon as possible with the collaborations of all leaders involved. Another thing which is lack of preparations for tanzanians in entering the 21 century. Most of us are lacking quality education and exposure and therefore it is going to be difficult to compete with our counterparts in the job market. The president JK should start to think about spending and investing more in education than on useless his daily trips to attract investors.

Mr. President you should concentrate on investing on the educations for Tanzania, build more schools, colleges and hire qualified teachers and make sure they got proper training to teach tanzanians, unless otherwise tanzanians will be left behind on opportunities which come with the community.

Invest on infrustucture, ours is the poorest in EA, allow competition in telecommunication industry so that people will compete and better the infrustrusture.
 
Naam, Watanzania kweli sasa tumeamua kutonyamaza kama ilivyokuwa huko nyuma. Nafikiri hata wao, akiwemo Onyango, wanashangaa, kwamba watanzania nao sasa wanasema! Katika zama hizi za utandawazi, watanzania ni kama tunavamiwa kwa kuwa hatukujikita kwenye ushindani wa aina yoyote, hata kusema tu.

Makala nzuri kwa sababu imeibua mambo muhimu ya kujiuliza tunavyoelekea kwenye shirikisho! Ni muhimu kuhakikisha kwamba tanzania haifanywi kuwa mbuzi wa shughuli tunapoelekea huko. Kwa sababu hiyo, ni muhimu watanzania wakajitokeza zaidi kwa maoni yao.

Na pia habari hii nashauri ipelekwe the pia the east african na magazeti mengineyo ya afrika mashariki!
 
Naam.Watanzania twaogopa majirani wetu lakini twakubari wadharimu wa Afrika ya Kusini wanaonyonya raslimali zetu. Utumwa huu utaisha lini? Mbona tufikiri sisi ndio bora kuliko majirani wetu?
 
The Editor,
To be precise and logical, this article is more than impressive! Former East African Unity died but in reality many do not know the cause of the death! I have been tipped that the flourishing Kenya Airways was formed with a strong capital from the dead East African Airways;

Uganda took all the finances because the East African Development bank was situated in Kampala! Anyway, I support the whole idea of re-uniting but wanachi need to be well informed about it, we need a referendum! We dont want to regret in future. Idea of chopping in Rwanda and Burundi is generally disastrous because those countries have never enjoyed political stability and they have the cause of illegal fiream spread!

We dont mind the timing , whether it takes years to come to consensus, we will rather wait ! We are not ready to witness our country losing all it has simply because we like unity. Let's all wake up guys ...our counterparts Kenya and Uganda please give us some times to think and think it over! We need a clean unity ..not a dirty one!!
 
THE EAST AFRICA FEDERATION AGENDA



EAC federations new agenda for Museveni to bring the killings in Tanzania.

While Museveni has managed to rule with an iron fist in Uganda where peace had been a thing of the past since TZ routed Iddi Amin. It is an envy which drives him to his ambition to rule not only Tz but Kenya, Rwanda and Burundi. We are told that there will be a lot of benefit but one does not forget where have we reached now and how come Brigadier Museveni and his henchmen has so far failed to win power in northern of his country. Does he think he can solve the problems of a much bigger community?

It should not be an illusion to think that because there is peace in TZ then peace will prevail in all other countries. This is where Museveni lacks some of the very fundamentals of leadership, can Museveni sort his internal problems? No, he has failed for over 20 years but now he would like to try to chew a bigger cake?

TZ has a good working relationship with SADC than our northern neighbours but they are the first ones who would like to benefit first among the southern neighbours. Yes there are problems within the SADC but all members except Congo knows very well where we stand when it comes to crunch time with other nations in the world, you can not rely on Kenya or Uganda, they will bury you alive.

This should be a warning to all those who think they can bulldoze all of us in the region and come with this stupid agenda. For us Tz we have at least an experience of union with Zanzibar and this should be a big lesson for everyone.

There will not be anything like the United States of Africa forget it, we have people like Museveni who think they can do whatsoever they want (Rwanda and Congo were the brainchild from Museveni (Since he was supported during his own campaign) and he continued to help the rebels but now he wants to cleanse his hands. Guys you better watch out this idiot?


The people in Tanzania should wake up and force the government to concentrate on real issues for their benefit rather than this EAC which brings more problems than good. A good example is EU where you can see UK has opted out of the Euro and everybody in poor EU members would like to come to stay in Britain. We have no sound mechanism to see how for example Museven can do as he wishes in terms of opposition in his country and who is actually funding him for his overtures. There are a lot of different policies in the region and I wonder how you can come to a sense of having a federation not tested anywhere in the world not forgetting the original EAC. Currently member states fail to honour their subscription dues etc. its a shame the presidents think they can bulldoze us as Tom and Jerry kids.

People should not forget the fact that Tanzania right now is the envy of its neighbours and countries beyond because of its peace and tranquillity on the sound bases which where laid before. (Waswahili walisema usione vinaelea .).

At last how many EAC citizens know or care about what is being asked at the moment, time scale six months to gather information, I wonder what information is being asked Federation for whom? For the president to roam around the world and their cronies? Give us a break! And wonder who is supposed to choose this president to use our hard earned money er somebody in northern Uganda and Rwanda or Kenya where freedom of speech is a privilege. Believe me people from this countries do not speak freely even when they are at foreign countries.

People will laugh but will not forget the mistakes they make in their lifes not forgetting the Union with Zanzibar which until today is a hot potato.

The people who support this idea are the ones who benefit at the expense of others and do not care what will happen next so long as they prosper themselves or else the have seen a prospect of being elected in the doomed federation. Time will come for all who do evil to pay.

People are in position and think they deserve to collude with foreigners to steal with impunity; it all comes to tears at the end of a dream.



We are coming after you guys and you will pay.
 
On Sunday 13 October, this column was accorded with special regards from Kigali Rwanda . Our reader whose name is read as Job Jabiro,though the name does not sound to have roots in Rwanda , let's leave things as they are. The readership will rightly judge us on merit.

We sincerely commend the writer-cum accuser despite all discrepancies, brouhaha, and rigmarole and "sexed" allegations.

The person in point, shamelessly and dubiously, has registered but fear, naivety, mediocrity and all the like instead of giving reply to our article. Suffering from inssanismadogmata, bulimia and horror, the guy, has but absurdly and wrongly, alleged what he cannot prove. How can ones say that Tanzanians are afraid of competition from such tiny and sick countries! Stop such phantasmagolic assertions.

It is but an open secret that a certain cross section of our people is openly and vehemently objecting the invitation extended to Burundi and Rwanda to join the said organization.

This is clearly and nicely sighted in the article titled "Ngara people's stance on the federation", if in case, reference sounds wisely to those uncomfortable with our stance. Being their constitutional right to air their views, the said people openly and reasonably opposed the said countries to be allowed into the Federation.

We can add to their voices that it is immature and premature to allow Burundi and Rwanda to EAC. Given that those said countries have their internal problems to attend to, every reasonable person would advise them to put their house in order first before aiming at another complicated encounter. Who wants to open Pandora's box by allowing Attila to cross "The Danube?

Being the media that is read almost everywhere in the area, www.habaritanzania.com tried to chime in so as to revamp this impasse nonetheless we've ended up being accused of meddling and scuttling the whole process! What a farce! Anyway we will never apply the same rotten and sick mentality to go about this constitutional right. Instead of wasting our time subscribing to such cheap lie blaagh blaagh and daydreams, we will stand firmly to educate our poor friends wherever they might be. We will never seek any permission from anybody or whatever power that be.

The said accusations-cum fabrications were aired via "New Times Newspaper"that is based in Kigali Rwanda on 13th October this Fall. Thanks to the copy of the same that Habaritanzania received on the same date, Otherwise, we would have been in the dark as far as the whole fracas-cum debacle is concerned.

The aforementioned gentleman felt grievously offended when this website suggested that Burundi and Rwanda have to be probed before being given green lights to the Federation pursuant to what the citizens of Ngara suggested as far as the Federation is concerned to them.

We will never explore the whole hotch -potch in verbatim but at least we shall try to shed l light onto the same in order to educate the guy on top of aiming at the whole community and readership.
Let's re-commend the guy for reading our website and sending his observation to us despite all misunderstandings, misguided missiles and confusion altogether.

Firstly and foremost, we strongly rebuff all misquoted and misinterpretations by him whether committed purposely or otherwise. We shall restrain ourselves from ranting at him given that we know the malady he suffers from.

He and the like sickened as they are, bear with us, they are but the product of our brother.

To soften his poisonous and venomous assertion, the boy gerrymandered his bagatelle by seeking his camouflage behind the late, Mwalimu Julius Kambarage Nyerere whom he anglicized as if he were serious in the matter! What transmogrification by a charlatan!

The guy thought we are as good at forgetting as him as far as Nyerere is concerned! What hypocrisy!
Does this self seeker think that we have forgotten how shamelessly the same people he is advocating for, used to abusively refer to Mwalimu as "Inganga buriri", literally bed wetter! What a self-fooling charade and lie altogether!

If the guy has easily forgotten this disgrace, it is upon him to curse himself. For us the abuses are as fresh just like yesterday. For a reminder, we refer the guy to the time when the late Mwalimu was relentlessly sacrificing for the peace of Burundi . They shamelessly and openly called him a bed wetter! Miraculously the same "bed wetter" is becoming an angel! Shame upon this hypocrite!Hell no. Such peson needs to be helped.

Another sacrilege if we may say so, is the fact that the guy is shamelessly alleging that he will soon see no difference between the then Zaire (DRC), under the archetypal dictator, Joseph Desire Mobutu and Tanzania today! Common and simple wisdom force us to ask if at all this guy is normal? How can you compare lice's egg with that of the ostrich!

Can you compare a dictator like Paul Kagame with who you are in bed over a powder keg, with Jakaya Kikwete, a democratically elected luminary! Shame on you wherever you are.

Kikwete, (The President of Tanzania does not own anything even anyone just like Kagame and Museveni own their people as if they are private estate), is a leader not a demi-god just like the aforementioned duo. We are remorseful to our readership to quote Swahili saying whose translation sounds as the ape is unable to see its buttocks.

Let us tell everybody the truth we have and know as far the real situation is concerned:

Firstly, Tanzania has never been under any dictator be him/her imaginative or real. Tanzania is among ideal democracies the world over. We hope even Rwandans are aware of this shall they stop abusing their own intellectuality.

If they have, accidentally or deliberately, forgotten what goes on in Rwanda , we refer them to the whole stupidity and bulimia under which the then puppet President, Pasteur Bizimungu, found himself in hot soup. Where is Bizimungu by the way? Isn't he in the goal just because he tried to employ and enjoy his constitutional rights by forming a political Party? Do we need to stop in the agora to tell the world that Rwanda is yearning for democracy take over from thugocracy and demon-crazy she is in?

It is pity that the same gentlepeople has forgotten the contribution Tanzania did wholeheatedly offer in enabling them to live like human beings! Though the guy has admitted this, he has dogged it and contradicted himself by asserting that Tanzania has been expelling Rwandans who live behind their properties as if they came with any when they sought refuge in Tanzania ! He does not tell when, why, who and where and what not! Here the question is, how can Tanzania get away with this amidst International Instruments? What fallacy!

Moreover the Kigali boy has failed to appreciate the fact that the said Federation used to exist long time even before he was born. Why giving us lectures now while when we found the said Federation the said countries were hell bent in tribal killings. We are confident to declare that the whole world knows what befell our Federation. It is an open secret that leaders of Kenya and Uganda , as then was the case, sabotaged the said Federation.

The bud is talking of Nyerere's country as if Nyerere once owned Tanzania the way his home made dictator, Kagame owns him and Rwanda ! Gone are the days. To try the same nonsense of crying for spilled milk, one would say, Had Habyarimana and Ndadaye been alive, surely nobody would doubt the whole issue of inviting Rwanda and Burundi respectively.

When milk is spilled there is no wastage of time to cry for it. We are not such loons and goons to weep for the spilled milk like our friend. We instead have to forge ahead.

Let us put more emphasis that we strongly dispute Burundi and Rwanda to be part of East African Federation until when they put their house in order. We are accused of being afraid of competition. How if we have boldly preferred Mozambique and Zambia to Burundi and Rwanda ?

For those interested in comprehending our take on this, we refer them to another article by this column in which we clearly and fearlessly reprimanded our leaders for any shortcomings. We are proudly doing so because we know it is our right-cum duty. They understand what and we too do. A dictator does not rule us like our friend from Kigali . We are but a democratic country.

Our brother from Rwanda has also accused us of humiliating Zanzibar . First of all we wonder. When did he become the spokesperson of the Government of Zanzibar? Doesn't he know that the said Government after pondering on the truth we cited underscored what we said? It is an open secret that Zanzibar is always aware of the truth we cited. That's why Zanzibar did never bother to look at the sun so as to obtain a stain on it.

He blatantly jumped onto Kenya in that Tanzanian authorities are sabotaging Kenyan goods from entering the country, what buffoonery! We will never delve into this. Instead we shall wait for Kenya to bring their concern shall these far-fetched allegations be true.

Another point is the fact that our boy from Kigali contradicted his allegations by citing
Singapore, Japan , Thailand and Switzerland as far as development is concerned! Nonetheless, he has forgotten that despite all praises and songs about the said countries, they still wish they would have abundant land.

Had they had big portions of land, even the level of development we are talking of would be higher than what we are singing praises to. After all it is illogical to compare a rabbit with an elephant shall our schizophrenic boy from Kigali reason. Moreover the said Asian countries in point, have never known dictatorship and genocide if we honestly dispute that Thailand has never been among the Asian tigers.
 
The boy stresses that Tanzanians are but toiling on their subsistence farms. Well, let them then unite with Zambians and Mozambicans whose level of development is the same rather than Burundi and Rwanda , which are highly developed as far as development is concerned.

Even when we consider all criteria of development among ourselves, we don't see any difference between rural areas in Byumba, Kibungo,Murindi and Ruhengeri on one hand. And on the other in Bukoba, Kabanga and Muyovozi if we be realistic.
They guy accuses us for being an obstacle and being behind time. Yet he clings unto yearning for teaming up with us! This reminds us of the fable of Mr. Hare. When the gentleman failed to reach for the fruits he wanted to steal, he foolishly declared said that he did not like the fruits because were unripe! We humbly advise matured people to avert thinking like infants. For being matured, among other things, requires us to accept realities even if doing so is a bitter pill for us. Put your house in order prior to jumping onto the Federation.

Essentially when we wrote the article under dispute, we aimed at encouraging our people to make a good decision for the interests of our people as a country. We did so knowingly how some quarters take us just like yo-yos, yahoos even zombies when it comes to our rights. They always wrongly think that they will keep on taking us for a ride. It is but too late.

Also it must be clearly understood that this is not a new thing. For even currently the US is enacting a law, which will empower it to erect a concrete wall on its border and Mexico for the fear of the said 'competition' as our boy in Kigali wrongly, put it.

We are not even union phobic as the boy fallaciously has portrayed us. If we were, we would not have invited Zambia and Mozambique even preferred Uganda .

Before the dust of the suggestions by the people of Ngara settled down, we are told that even the Tanzanians in Kigoma have strongly opposed the inclusion of Burundi and Rwanda in the Federation of East Africa!

Let us surmise by calling upon our readership to differentiate between seed and chaffs, 'premmies' and babies.

We are anxiously waiting to hear what people will say in Karagwe, Burigi and Kamachumu.
After the bastard is always the same characteristically. Hide him even bolt him in the bottle, he will peer out. That is that.

May our whizzkid in Kigali come to his sense and see the truth. Weep not child. Let Tanzania speak.
 
Cry Africa!!! Na mimi nitoe yangu machache...

Hiyo barua ya Kigali ilikuwa in bad taste..niliisoma...but equally muungwana mwenzangu amejibu kwa ghadhabu sana...usingetakiwa kuwa na ghadhabu hivi....It erodes the very meaning and ideals you are defending!!!

Mimi naona huu mjadala umekwenda mbali na huyu bwana yeye ameweka taaluma yake ya kiingereza mbele kuliko kuangalia mambo ya msingi. Ila I commend you unajua kizungu sana. Rwanda na Burundi ni viinchi vidogo sana kwa Tanzania, mimi naamini tukiwaweka kwenye gurudumu la muungano/Shirikisho..., itakuwa rahisi kutatua matatizo ambayo sasa yanatumalizia rasilimali. (wote mnajua concept ya sovereignity na non intervention, ilivyo vigumu kutatua matatizo kama haya hata kama tungekuwa na uwezo...) Chukulia mfano wa wakimbizi...Ngara na Kigoma tumekuwa na wakimbizi miaka mingi mno, je unafikiria tungekuwa kitu kimoja si ingekuwa rahisi kuepuka hili tatizo, tungekuwa na very strong defence policy na army!!!??..you certainly know athari za wakambizi.... We dont need to read Thesis za wanazuoni kuelewa umuhimu wa Intergration. Hapa huyu muungwana mwenzangu naona kaandika kwa jazba (of which its his/her right) lakini ukweli unabaki pale pale. Africa is one and we shall never go back.

Comrade how do you negotiate a better deal kwa kahawa na pamba ya babu yako kule Nzega na Bukoba pekee yako na wakubwa wa WTO kwenye Doha/et el round table amidist of powerful blocks kama EU, NAFTA, LATIN America, ASEAN na wengineo??..Ila kama ungekuwa na soko la raia million 100 na zaidi, certainly watu wangeweza kucompromise their stands to allow you a better cut!! Jamani waafrika tuamke tuache majungu ambayo hayawasaidii watu wetu instead ni for elite consumption na maadui zetu. MIMI babu yangu wa MAJITA his main interests ni kuona anapata chochote kwenye kahawa, Samaki, Viazi nk Vyake, hatajali kama ameviuza Kenya wala Burundi...

Mimi nadhani huu mjadala ni mpana hata kama warundi na wanyarwanda should put their houses in order, but at the end of the day we need them and they need us, WHY? for market!!! After all we share common heritage na matatizo ni yale yale.... Mtu wa Ngara, Kigoma na Burundi na Rwanda they speak the same language! in otherwords ni rahisi hawa watu kuwasiliana na kuelewana kuliko mtu wa Songea na Manyovu!! Kwa nini?? Ukoloni..we should wake up and dismantle these useless boarders!! tuache unafiki na ubinafsi wa "national interests" ambazo infact ni "personal interests" ambazo infact ni za wachache..I once did "magendo" to Kenya and Burundi....Yes I did it as any other son of a peasant who wanted to make a living and GO TO SCHOOL!!!kuuza bidhaa ndogo ndogo...Its the way I managed kusoma na niko hapa! To me Boarders are useless!! As long as I can move freely and make my living.

Tatizo kubwa ni unafiki wa "sisi" wasomi....We unafikiri ukimwambia mtu wa Ngara au MAJITA KWAMBA ATAUZA BIDHAA ZAKE KENYA AU BURUNDI kwa uhuru wa kupita boarder bila kutoa chochote kwa afisa custom atajisikiaje?? Murua kabisa...Ask me i will tell you, uchungu wa kugawana faida na polisi au uhamiaji....

Tuache nadharia ambazo hazitusaidii...Mzee wetu Mwalimu katika maisha yake yote aliamini na alijitahidi kuona Africa is one with no barriers!! (by the way the late Houphet raisi wa Ivory cost alikataa kusaini mkataba wa Geneva kuhusu wakimbizi wa mwaka 1951, kwa nini?/ he believed that Africa is one and thus no body can be a refugee in africa which is his/her own country/continent! Hayo ndo mawazo tunayoyataka..sio national interest za kuzidi kutufanya maskini kila kukicha..JK, go ahead we are behind you!!! For how long shall we endure poverty??

Swala la referendum, ni kweli lazima watu tuulizwe, lakini vile vile wananchi waelimishwe waache zile steriotype! Za kuangalia wanyarwanda na warundi katika mirror ya Watusi na wahutu!! Wakenya kuangaliwa kama waluo na wakamba..We have to be ready to compete!1 harafu mimi nashangaa wazungu wanachukua dhahabu zetu Geita na Nyamongo, we are all relaxed....why cant we empower our own Africans?? irrespective katoka wapi..as long faida itabaki nyumbani na kunufaisha baba zetu na mama zetu..whats the problem?? tukimaliza hawa tunahamia Zambia, Malawi na Msumbiji and later Congo!!! Its a dream but its possible.. wewe unafikiri watu tungetengeneza maisha gani tungekuwa free kupata zile opportunities za Congo mbao, dhahabu na vingine..tumewaachia wazungu wachukue and we are free and happy....Africa..we should cry..your are right my brother... ingekuwa vipi tungekuwa na uhuru wa kuingia na kufanya kazi/biashara..kama raia ambao hatuhitaji vibali??

Jamani intergration, intergration..hata nyinyi mlioko ulaya na Amerika ni kwa sababu mmepata hizo opportunities you can move and work freely!! Africa tutaendelea kupigana vita mpaka lini?? Ethiopia na Eritrea?, Ivory Cost na wengineo! Jamani lets wake up, najua maadui wetu wanataka tuendelee kuwa fragmented forever, waweze kututawala vizuri..But, with serious brains and will of the oppressed, we shall unite....

Europe wameungana ....Na bado wanachukua viinchi very poor compared to their economies?? cheki Latvia na wengineo?? hata migongano ya dini na ukabila wenzetu wako tayari kuiruka as long as it involves maslahi ya wananchi wao..No body wants Islamic Turkey, but hey..they want her market ya raia million 80 na ushee...

Kwa nini EU na maendelea yao bado wanaitafuta " larger Europe" despite kuwa na members zaidi ya 25 with Bulgaria and other coming in?? jibu mnalo...

Siku njema.
 
Thanks for your reply to Jobless Jabiro. Hawa wanyarwanda na wengine wanataka kutufanya wajinga sana. Kama ameona hasira ndilo jibu,hakuna haja ya kumfanyia uungwana mtu asiye muungwana. Mwalimu aliwahi kusema kuwa swali la kipuuzi hujibiwa kipuuzi.

Wazungu wanasema tit for tat.
Keep it up.
 
I support this article fully and iam against any humilliation to my country.You article have shown how patriotic you are for our country.Iam not support the so called "A Fast track East Africa ;this is not for Tanzanian interests but for those who think they going to impose on us for their own interests...let us strongly disagree with this nasty union which won;t benefit Tanzania at all.We are doing better on ourselves then why should we bother to think any non-benefit union?Certainly we can do ourselves.

If they are still insist in that so called fast track union,let them explain what are the real reasons for the collapse of East African community in 1977?rather than cheating people that political ideology was the main reason..which is incorrect!then what about the distribution of east African properties?was it distributed evenly and rightly after the community collapse?

We saw Kenya took advantage of property grabbing because of their prior knowledge of EACs collapse.Tanzanian lets not repeat the same mistake,otherwise is going to cost us a lot..we are going to be a loser because of our good intention we have always been have.Let's stick to SADC that is only block we can work with as we had long history with our brother in southern African and we had same intention of helping eradicate poverty for our people and not taking advantage of them as our north neighbor is seem interested.

Agreeing with EAC fast track is like comitting suicide.
 
..aisee naona hapa mna agenda zenu tuu..you call kagame dictator? so your hero ni hao interahamwe.. now i know better this site is just a propaganda machine....better kagame aliyezuia mauaji kuliko walioua a milion tutsi...we dont need to go back 50 yrs ago,get life!!
 
Poorly written and in very bad taste. You gain more respect by arguing your points than uttering insults to other countries. There can be a case to demand Rwanda and Burundi to put their houses in order before joing the Federation. In fact, Tanzania, Kenya and Uganda too need to put their houses in order before jumping into any Federation.

Yet, I think the Five countries should ultimately form a Federation based on values that are deeply cherished by the people; democracy, good governance, equity and development. Please, stop insulting while making your point. Stop being xenophobic, do not imiate Hitler in thinking Tanzania is superior to others.
 
Mkenda are you okay? You need to see a doc for repeating insults that you are warning of! Let the Tanzanians speak as the author put it. When you were on the neck of each other during the referundum so as to denounce Tanzanian like premier no Tanzania yelled at you.

You need to understand that the state of denial is always the way to purgatory.
Who need what and whom are crucial things to go about instead of allegations and calling names.

STOP REGARDING YOURSELVES BETTER THAN OTHERS
 
I believe the writers at this site ought to get some sense into their way of 'doing things'. "What things?" you might quickly ask me.

Well, how you forge your thoughts and fuel the cause of this site is sometimes 'unethical' and 'loathsome'.
My friends, you ought to know when to concede 'defeat' (and that should be done amicably!). No one likes reading 'insults' camouflaged behind the façade of ostentatious, big-sounding words (sometimes meaningless to the context!).

You are a bunch of good writers. Please use your 'talent' to educate your fellow Tanzanians, helping to moot debates that are in the interest of Tanzanians. Tanzanians need a forward-geared media, not one that will gravitate to vegetate on blowing moles hills into mountains. Neither do Tanzanians (or most of Tanzanians) need a media that will delve in bandying words instead of fueling a just cause.

I can be a vitriolic critic if driven against the wall (some pieces I have read here have done just that). Calling a spade a spade, not a big spoon, is what is needed here.

Have I hurt your toes and you feel you have to speak out? That's understandable. However, before you turn on your faucet of expletives, as is your wont, hear me out:

<I>In promulgating your esoteric cogitations and articulating superficial, sentimental and psychological observations beware of platitudinous ponderosity. Let your extempore decantations have rodomontade veracious veracity. Sedalously, avoid all pusillanimous vacuity, pestiferous profanity and similar transgressions.</I>
 
I have been reading your articles but i am sorry to inform you that you are just trying to incite hatred among the people.Please be informed that Europe is also trying to expand itself by getting more countries to join it. In the present world you can only survive if you are strong and united.

People like you should never get a chance to use the media. You are the ones who are sawing the seeds of hatrad and confusion among the people. Please give all the people who are living in East Africa a chance to come together as one.
 
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Bravo, Congratulations THE THINKERS OF THIS WEBSITE FORUM, how i wish this was read by all TANZANIANS how i wish even those in AUTHORITY will yes the wabunge wetu waheshimiwa, i think i will use both english and swahili for the sake of all, so excuse me for the mixing of languages in this mail.

I start with the comments in the EAST AFRICAN today 30th October issue, kwakweli gazeti hili ni kibaraka wa kenya na linaendekezea kwa mbinu zote na nguvu zote "UMOJA" huu wa East Africa. Ukianza na makala ya Oscar iliopo ukuras wa 13 XENOPHOBIA AND THE EA FEDERATION utaona jinsi wnaavyo tulaumu eti tu na bagua wageni. Tanzania siku zote imeku nchi yenye upole mwingi kiasi tumekua ka WJINGA WOTE haswa viongozi wetu, ashakum si matusi, na hili wanaloliofanya EAST AFRICAN na wakenya na waganda ni kuwalagai viongozi wetu na sisi wote tutajikuta tunaumia TU tupende tusipende.

Hivi kwanini tusijiulize TUTAFAIDIKA NA NINI? cant we see that Kenya is INDUSTRAILISED imeja viwanda from Colonial times tena vikiitwa EAST AFRICA INDUSTRIES hadi leo hii, hatuoni colgate, always, cardbury milk choclates, cocoa, milo. omo n.k.

Kenyans are clever they want markets they want raw materials, yes maligafi na masoko ya viwanda vyao. TANZANIA AMKA hakuna atkayae kuamsha. O jamani umesahau usemi USIMWAMSHE ALALAYE ........

SASA tunachotakiwa kufanya ni kama INDIA...juzi juzi nilikuwa huko nao wamepiga hatua kubwa sana, nikongea na msomi moja wao anayeheshimika sana nakumuliza nini siri yao. akaniambia wao walipopata independence waliamua mabo matatu tu.
LA KWANZA:- ELIMU
LA PILI:- UMEME
LA TATU:- CHAKULA

Haya mambo makuu kwao sasa ya nalipa INDIA inaviwnda vingi sana wanatengeneza magari yao wenye (Tata, Mahindra etc) Ukiwaindia utoana magari yao tu ndiyo yanatawala barabara zao, wantengenza madawa ya kila aina, kama uamini nenda pharmacy ukanunue dawa leo utakuta made in India ( HII IMEWEZEKANA KWA AJILI YA ELIMU NA UMEME NA CHAKULA)

iNDIA ni nchi inoyongoza duniani kwa waatalaam mbalimbali husuan sayansi ELIMU imewalipa.....OROTDHA ni ndefu. LENGO langu ni kwamba INDIA aiku babaishwaz na umoja umoja wowote waliona mbali wakasema RASILIMALI TUNZAZO, WATU WAPO sasa tujenge nchi yetu na tutatawle DUNIA....siku moja utaniambia ukiona INDIA ni super power.

TANZANIA hatuna lengo la kudumu, kamalipo litavuruigwa na FEDERATION lets stand to build our nation FIRTS let our poor people get the jobs we promised to give them, hatuwezi kuwapa chochote kwa federation, ila tutazidi kuwazuia wasomi wetu wasipate chocote, umeona wapi MTANZANIA anfanya kazi kwenye RADIO station UGANDA au KENYA au hat kwenye maoteli au hata ulinzi tu? JAMANI HATUOPNI HAYA

WENZETU Kenya na Uganda wanelimu kwanini basi wasisubiri nasisi tufikie KIWANGO chao, KWANI FIRST TRACKING kwanini tusifanye kwa STAGES OR PHASES IF AT ALL IT IS THAT IMPORTANT KUWA NA HUU MUUNGANO. mimi binafsi naupinga kabisa kwani tumeshakufa nanja au tunashinda yoyote inle mbaka tunataka kuungana?

WABUNGE WETU MSIKUBALI KUBURUZWA, WATANZANIA TUSIKUBALI KUWA KICHWA CHA MWENDAWAZIMU......NCHI HII NI YETU POEKE YETU YA AWTANZANIA TU siyo kwa ajili ya MGANDA, MRUNDI AU AMKEYA nawaonya mkikubali waiingie mtalia machozi ya damu. VIONGOZI watakua mbali na wala hawataweza kuwasaidia....
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This is not hatred at all its being honest to express ones views, WHY do you all think that when ones sees there is no need of the FEDERATION then he/she is wrong, and sending bad or wrong messages to the people?

You should think right and straight. Note that the EU was not FAST TRACKED it was concieved and it decades to be what you see, and more so there UNION is not a federation they are not going the crazy way we want to, we in EA want a political sort of union, when we have not considered the SOCI-ECONOMIC implications....I can understand if you are from Kenya or Uganda or Rwanda or Burundi you must have considered that and you are satisfied cause you are on the winining side but not for TANZANIA, poor chap who knows nothing than welcomin every one with a big smile like a zombe yes like a fool.

NOW wa Tanzania dont be intimidated by English jagons sent by that chap who want every one to go fetch an oxford dictionary and find out he/she wants to say. The piont is clear there are no APPARENT BENEFITS for TANZANIA to be in the FEDEREATION we can survive and be fine alone, besides you will always need us anyway and you will cough forex to get things from us thats if they agree with me to scrap of this FEDERATION MONSTER
 
Jamani,
This debate on the federation of East African countries is becoming more interesting. What surprises me ni pale baadhi ya watu, na hasa wakenya na kidogo wanyarwanda, wanapokuja juu kuhusu maoni na mawazo ya watanzania kuhusu shirikisho hilo. Watu wa aina hiyo hawataki kuona watanzania wakiitumia demokrasia yao ya kutoa mawazo. Huo ni udikteta. Watanzania waachwe ili watoe maoni yao, hiyo ndiyo demokrasia.

Wote wale wanaowashutumu watanzania hawana hoja, na kimsingi wanazidi kuharibu mambo kuhusu uwezekano wa kuundwa kwa shirikisho la Afrika mashariki. Mtu aliyewahi kuumwa na nyoka hata akiguswa na unyasi huruka kwa wasiwasi. Ndivyo ilivyo kwa watanzania kwani waliwahi kuumwa na nyoka (kwa kuvunjika jumuiya ya afrika Mashariki jambo lililosherehekewa na wakenya). Wasiwasi wa watanzania kuhusu Jumuiya ya Afrika Mashariki ni wa dhati. Watanzania wanayo hoja ya nguvu. Kama wakenya walihusika katika kuivunja Jumuiya ya awali, kwanini sasa tuwaamini? Kenya inayo kesi ya kujibu kuhusu kuvunjika kwa jumuiya ya awali.

Baadhi ya Wakenya wanakuja na hoja kwamba eti Tanzania inawakumbatia watu wa Afrika kusini na kuwabagua Wakenya. Nadhani watu hao hawajafanya utafiti. Kimsingi Kenya ndiyo inayoongoza kwa uwekezaji nchini Tanzania, ikifuatiwa na Uingereza na halafu ndio Afrika Kusini.

Ni vema Wakenya wakawa makini katika suala hili la mjadala wa Jumuiya kwani inavyoonekana hawana hoja zozote zaidi ya majigambo kwamba Kenya ni Super Power na kadhalika.

Nimesoma maoni ya mtu mmoja ambaye nadhani ni Mkenya aliyesema kuwa Watanzania kama hawataki Jumuiya wajiunge na wenzao wanaofanana nao wa Burundi na kuwaacha Kenya, Uganda na Rwanda ili waungane kwenye EAC. Sasa basi mawazo ya namna hiyo hayajengi bali yanabomoa.

Watanzania wako sahihi kutaka kuelezwa faida watakazopata ndani ya Jumuiya na Shirikisho. Hatuwezi tu kuingia kichwa kichwa kwenye shirikisho hilo. Tanzania sasa imeamka, hatutaki kuwa wasindikizaji kwa lolote lile.

Kuondolewa kwa wageni walioingia kwa njia haramu nchini Tanzania isiwe nongwa na kuilaumu Tanzania kwamba eti inawachukia wageni. Pengine watu hamjaenda huko Ngara, Karagwe, Biharamulo na maoeneo ya Kigoma mkaona namna wakimbizi na hasa wale wa kutoka Rwanda na Burundi walivyoiharibu nchi yetu. Misitu ile iliyokuwepo sasa imetoweka kabisa, sababu ya wageni kutoka Rwanda. Magari ya abiria huko Kigoma, Ngara, Biharamulo na Karagwe sasa ni lazima yasindikizwe na polisi kutokana na ujambazi wa kutisha ulioletwa kutoka Rwanda na Burundi na pia Jamhuri ya Kidemokrasi ya Kongo.

Maeneo yetu hayo ya kaskazini na magharibi sasa yamegeuzwa kuwa malisho ya mifugo kutoka Rwanda na Uganda. Tunapoamua kuwaondoa eti sasa imekuwa issue. Tena basi wengine wanakwenda mbali zaidi bila hata aibu na kusema kuwa kwa kuwa wageni hao wameishi Tanzania kwa muda mrefu basi tuwaspe uraia. Hatuwezi kukubaliana na ujinga huu. Tanzania ni ya watanzania na itabaki kuwa hivyo.

Kwa kadri hali ilivyo Tanzania itanufaika zaidi na SADC kuliko EAC. Nchi za SADC zinaheshimiana, hakuna kuburuzana hoja ndizo zinazotawala na siyo majigambo.
 
I think we are rushing towards the proposed EA political federation. I am of the view that we are not ready for the federation and any decision in its favour at the present will prove not only a failure but a bitter failure.

The recent unfounded accusations against JK of Tz while in discussion with GWB of the Big Apple, show that we are not ready for the federation.
Note that whenever the Late Mwalimu JK visited the UK Tony Blair never asked him about Tanzania but rather of neighbouring countries like Rwanda. If the Europeans can regard Africa as one why not Kenyans!? I am pointing out Kenya because they could not tolerate when they heard that JK and GWB had an agendum about their country in their recent discussions. Suppose it is true they discussed about Kenya but on the good side of it-would they react!?

Let's go back to history where Mwalimu JK was ready to delay Tanganyika Independence to wait for our counterparts in order to have a common independence and unite. We are told that this failed and the obstacle was the same neighbour who is accusing the present JK.

Recently, M7 cried fought and won the 3rd term saga. The reason, he said, he wanted to see the East African Federation President (or he wanted to see himself as the first EA President!?).

I think that the end result of the federation (if it will ever exist and I don't wish it to exist) will be "brain drain" from Kenya to Tanzania, Power Hunger by Uganda and a total loss to Tanzania's economic and political stability, etc...

Note that these are my views in regard to federation between Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania. I am, for example, confident that political federation between Tanzania and Mozambique can perfectly work.
 
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