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Forget the federation, iam kenyan and i honestly dont like the idea of federation, it seems like a big mistake, we should deal with our own problems first ,kenya has a lot of problems and we have a lot of problems we have to tackle before we start dealing with our neighbours.

It is also a bad idea to deal too closely with Tanzania, they are hypocrites and have a history of mistrusting foreigners and are known to be xenophobes not to mention slightly retarded on economic issues.sahau jumuia, funga mipaka and deport the tz prostitutes working in majengo.
 
tdzians,

if u havent noticed,kenyans can be tribalistic on their own.they can argue amongst themselves.but i'll tell you one thing;they are fiercely patriotic and damn proud to be kenyan.and each and everyone of them has indicated that kenyan pride in their reply,whether or not they want the federation.

what iz the fashion trend in kenya now?shirts,blouses,dresses,pants with the colours of the kenyan flag.or the kenyan shield.my point being,the more you call 'em nyanga'us,the more you give 'em a reason to be even more patriotic.

yes,therez is a definate inferiority complex of tanzanians when it comes to their interaction with kenyans.why iz it that kenyans have repeatedly stated they admire the politeness,selflessness,courtesy,peacefulness of tanzanians while the TZdians just scream about kenyan corruption,tribalism,nairobi's sanitary condition,defective leadership?

are the tanzanians looking for any feeble excuse to bridge the gap between them and kenyans?how do you know someone is better than you?you know by their attitude.while you see the good in you,they want to concentrate in the bad in you,to make them feel good.a bit of esteem.why all the uncalled for insults by tanzanians?kenyans are go getters,that makes them "nyangau's"?just coz theyre not lazy?

and why are you Tzdians acting as if that country is perfect.clearly,some of you are in dire need of education in economics if you think the buyer (tanzania) is richer than the seller (kenya).and kenya sells more to uganda than tanzania.lemme see,youre better than the UK coz you buy from them and they dont buy from you?you people are very hilarious indeed.and you wonder why you lag behind in all asspects....intellectually,economically etc

stp crying over mt kilimanjaro,njonjo,1977,idi amin and move on with the time.upumbavu mwingi mwache.

and so you know,in all honesty,any kenyan would rather stay at home than live in tanzania.circumstances take them there.wenye wivu wajinyonge kweli,as your own saida karoli sez.
 
Unregistered said:
This is a reply to Mzalendo halisi message.

Let me ask you Mr. Mzalendo halisi. How much did Amin's Uganda spend in military before its invasion to Tanzania? And, where is Amin now?


idi amin this idi amin that.caught in a time wap you fool.just coz you ousted a dictator aided by ugandan rebels you think you can even start dreaming of taking on kenya?

kenya? hahahahaha....tanzanians really lack any depth of reasoning,im waking a sleeping dog here!u cant pick your economy up and you dare compare us with you in any way?!an ancient battle with a dictator who was a bafoon hated by his own people who collapsed his country's economy,you use that as a basis to have the audacity to think you match up to kenya in any way?least of all militarily?


hahahahaha.....joke of the day.
 
im glad kenyans have turned up in this enclave of hateful tanzanians and though in vain,tried to knock some sense into their empty skulls.

show 'em the kenyan spirit,we dont take insults and degradation without putting up a fight.you gat the wrong crowd tanzanian brethren,to pick a fight with.

try the ugandans or rwandese.mnaelewa hii lugha kweli?
 
Filamu mpya kwa jina la Gem Slaves: Tanzanite's child labour imezinduliwa wiki hii Umoja wa Mataifa, New York, Marekani. Filamu hiyo inaonyeshwa jinsi watoto wanavyotumikishwa katika machimbo ya tanzanite Mererani na watoto hao kutokwenda shule na kufanya kibarua kama "NYOKA" jina ambalo utumiwa katika migodi hiyo.

Filamu hiyo inaanza kwa kuwaonyesha watoto wanne wapo chini ya migodi wakitafuta mawe. Moja wa hao watoto Wilson Peter ( Miaka 12) anasema "tunatelemka mgodini, tukifika chini tunaanza kuchekecha mchanga, muda mwingine hatupati madini njaa inatuuma hata tunalazimika kurudi nyumbani."

Mtoto huyo anaendelea kusimulia "Tukishamaliza kula tunarudi tena kuchekecha changa mitaani, ukifika muda wa saa kumi na mbili jioni tunarudi nyumbani. Muda wa jioni ukifika, tunabadilisha nguo tunavaa za nyumbani badala ya kuendelea na zile ambazo tunazivaa wakati wa kuchekecha mchanga. Tukishavaa nguo za nyumbani tunakwenda kuchota maji ya kutumia nyumbani, na tunamsaidia mama kazi. Usiku ukifika tunakwenda kulala."

Filamu hiyo inaendelea kuelezea Mererani kama sehemu moja tuu duniani yanayopatikana madini ya Tanzanite na kwamba kila mwaka madini hayo huingiza fedha nyingi sawa na dola milioni 300 za kimarekani.

Wananchi wanaozunguka migodi hiyo bado wanaishi katika maisha ya kimasikini ya chini ya dola moja kwa siku. Filamu hiyo inaendelea kuelezea kwamba kila mwaka maelfu ya watu wanakwenda Mererani kutafuta hayo madini na Watoto ndio wanaofanya kazi kubwa.

Filamu hiyo inaendelea kusimulia zaidi ya wachimbaji elfu thelathini huenda chini zaidi ya mita 300 bila vyombo vyovyote vya usalama na bila msharahara wenye uhakika. Kila siku wachimbaji wadogo 4000 wa miaka kati ya 14-24 wanahatarisha maisha yao katika migodi hiyo isiyo na vyombo madhubuti, pia watoto hao hupata mlo mmoja kwa siku.

Filamu hiyo inasema, watu wanapoona tanzanite madukani wanaiona imependeza sana ila hawajui inapatikana vipi mpaka ikafikia rangi na mng'aro mzuri ilionao.

Wilson Peter ( Miaka 12) anasema anajua kwamba kunahatari anapokuwa ndani ya migodi na kwamba anaweza kuangukiwa na miamba mikubwa (gema), kupata ugonjwa wa kifua au kuteleza na kuanguka kwenye mashimo yaliyo na kina kirefu cha kutisha.

Mtoto huyo anasema haoni vizuri na busara kwa watoto kufanya kazi migodini kwasababu huwa wanatumwa tumwa ovyo kwenda nje ya shimo, kuleta soda, kuchukuwa tindo ya umeme (jack hummer) na yeye bado ni mtoto.

Mtoto mwingine Mutasi anasema yeye alikua akifanya kazi kama nyoka, akaacha kutoka ana na ugonjwa alioupata wa kifua na siku nyingine anashindwa kula chakula cha mchana. Aliacha yeye peke yake akawacha wenzake zaidi ya 50 bado wakiendelea kufanya hiyo kazi mpaka sasa.

Alikutana na fundi moja aliyekuja katika mgodi kutengeneza mashine na huyo mtoto akamueleza fundi tatizo lake. Fundi akamua kumfundisha jinsi ya kuwa fundi wa magari. Sasa anajifunza kazi za karakana na baadaye akisha kuwa mkubwa anategemea kufungua karakana yake na kufundisha watoto wenzake kama yeye alivyofundishwa.

Mama Peter ( Mama wa Wilson Peter) anasema "kwa kweli wanavyochekecha mchanga huko migodini hatufurahi, ila wanachekecha kutokana na shida iliyopo hapa . Maana watakapopata shilingi 200 au 300 wanaleta nyumbani, wananitupia hapa nami inaniwezesha kuendelea kuwalea. Na mimi nikihangaika kuuza mboga inawasaidia kuendelea kuishi"

Mama Peter anasema "Ndio maana tunawaruhusu, wakisema wanakwenda kuchekecha hatuwanyimi maana kila mtoto anabahati yake. Kwa kweli wanavyohangaika tunawahurumia lakini kutokana na shida tuliyonayo hapa inabidi tuwavumilie, tuwalee katika hii mbaya."

Mwisho kabisa Wilson anasema " Kama nikiwa Rais wa Tanzania sitaruhusu watoto kwenda kufanya kazi migodini na wale ambao watakamatwa wakitumikisha watoto migodini watahukumiwa kifungo"
 
Hallo Kenyans on the Web! This is on the Front page of Kenya Standard Newspaper ... May I ask you, Isthis what you want to bring with as your contribution to EA Fed.? No thank you we do not want Federation ...

Read this and ask yourself... who is ready for this
By Standard Team

Four people were hacked to death and another two shot dead by police in Mathare slums on Monday night as the violence — that began on Sunday — escalated.

The four who were hacked to death are believed to have met their fate at the hands of members of the outlawed Mungiki sect.

The other two were shot dead by police officers who moved in at dawn to quell the violence.

And hundreds of fearful residents deserted their shanty homes as two warring gangs appeared to take over the slum village and threaten their security.

But last evening, the Government dispatched the paramilitary General Service Unit to the area in a bid to check the violence.

The terror, that was visited on the slum overnight, was evident at dawn when the six bodies were found lying on muddy paths and 20 houses, burnt in the mayhem, were still smouldering. In an unprecedented display of the extent of slum take-over by gang members, men armed with guns and crude weapons repulsed the police.

But the law enforcers moved to contain a repeat of the attacks last night, with Nairobi Provincial Commissioner Mr John Waweru imposing a dusk-to-dawn curfew on the slum.

He said anyone seen venturing out of his or her dwelling after 7 pm would be arrested.

Waweru also ordered police officers from the Muthaiga area to keep away from the slum as he moved in a heavily armed contingent of GSU with orders to patrol the area on a 24-hour basis.

The Mathare gangs, suspected to belong to the outlawed Mungiki and Taliban, had taken control of areas deep in the slum where police dared not venture for the better part of the day.

Police officers operated from the vicinity of Juja Road and avoided an area christened Kosovo that is situated along the Nairobi River.

The Nairobi Provincial Police Officer, Mr King’ori Mwangi, who led the operation, was at one time stoned and shouted down by angry youths, who said they did not want the police since they had not answered their distress calls the previous night.

Initial reports indicated that the attacks were carried out by Mungiki members in an area believed to be under the control of the rival Taliban gang.

Sources suspect the motive was to avenge Sunday’s attack in which the Taliban burnt houses in an area considered Mungiki territory.

A Datsun pick-up, which had been driven into the area to evacuate families, was set ablaze and burnt to a shell.

Tension remained high as residents fled in large numbers for fear of more attacks.

Starehe MP Mr Maina Kamanda, who is also the Sports minister, visited the area last evening and said the Government would provide relief aid to those who had fled their homes. He called on the police to intensify security operations in the area.

A steady downpour that was experienced for the better part of yesterday made things worse for the fleeing residents, who could be seen shielding themselves with polythene papers.

"What can you do when houses are being burnt and people killed yet police cannot help?" asked Mr Joseph Munyao, a father of four.

Most affected were young children and women, some of who said they did not have anywhere to go.

The helplessness of residents was evident when, despite the heavy presence of security officers, a fourth victim was killed early in the morning even as police watched from a distance.

The body of the man was later found lying in a pool of blood in a ditch with deep cuts in the head and neck.

Residents said the victim was among those who spoke on the skirmishes on Monday when Waweru visited the area.

There was trouble when police went to pick the body, with some of the gangs and residents shouting and throwing stones at them. The officers managed to remove the body after threatening to shoot the angry crowd.

Another man was found bleeding with deep cuts in his head and neck, and was rushed to hospital.

Mwangi led a team of police from the GSU, the Administration and Regular police to the area in an effort to calm the situation.

And the Kenya Certificate of Primary Education examinations went on at nearby Genesis and Upendo primary schools where candidates braved the commotion to sit their papers.

Fleeing residents and parents sheltered from the rain under the eaves of the exam rooms.

The pupils had difficult times restraining themselves from looking out of their windows as their neighbours, siblings and parents cowered in fear.

The rivalry between the two gangs started at the weekend when Mungiki raided chang’aa-drinking dens and poured the intoxicant in an area where Taliban collect protection money.

The Taliban retaliated by burning houses in the latter’s jurisdiction on Sunday night. And the Mungiki yesterday morning struck again in Taliban areas with devastating results.

The two groups have imposed various illegal levies on residents. They include fees for security, use of toilets, sale of illicit brews and protection, illegally tapped electricity, water supply and others. Business people also pay levies to the gangs.

Mathare is not a stranger to violence. In June 2003, a rent war erupted when about 100 suspected Mungiki adherents went on the rampage leading to vicious fights, which left 15 youths dead.

The youths had been ferried into the area by a landlord to evict tenants he had disagreed with over rent.

Emerging details indicate the flare-up was triggered by turf wars.

Mungiki is in charge of housing, water, toilets and security and every resident is bound by the unwritten law whose breach can lead to summary execution, say sources.

If you are a visitor in Mathare, you must pay Sh30 every time you visit the toilet.

Residents who want electricity must part with Sh200 per month, sources say.

According to the residents, trouble has been brewing following Mungiki’s attempt to lock out the Taliban from levying protection fee on chang’aa brewers.

The Taliban have been collecting Sh300 for every drum of chang’aa, but Mungiki have been planning to rid the slum of the brew, residents said.
 
Unregistered said:
Hallo Kenyans on the Web! This is on the Front page of Kenya Standard Newspaper ... May I ask you, Isthis what you want to bring with as your contribution to EA Fed.? No thank you we do not want Federation ...

Read this and ask yourself... who is ready for this
By Standard Team

Four people were hacked to death and another two shot dead by police in Mathare slums on Monday night as the violence — that began on Sunday — escalated.

The four who were hacked to death are believed to have met their fate at the hands of members of the outlawed Mungiki sect.

The other two were shot dead by police officers who moved in at dawn to quell the violence.

And hundreds of fearful residents deserted their shanty homes as two warring gangs appeared to take over the slum village and threaten their security.

But last evening, the Government dispatched the paramilitary General Service Unit to the area in a bid to check the violence.

The terror, that was visited on the slum overnight, was evident at dawn when the six bodies were found lying on muddy paths and 20 houses, burnt in the mayhem, were still smouldering. In an unprecedented display of the extent of slum take-over by gang members, men armed with guns and crude weapons repulsed the police.

But the law enforcers moved to contain a repeat of the attacks last night, with Nairobi Provincial Commissioner Mr John Waweru imposing a dusk-to-dawn curfew on the slum.

He said anyone seen venturing out of his or her dwelling after 7 pm would be arrested.

Waweru also ordered police officers from the Muthaiga area to keep away from the slum as he moved in a heavily armed contingent of GSU with orders to patrol the area on a 24-hour basis.

The Mathare gangs, suspected to belong to the outlawed Mungiki and Taliban, had taken control of areas deep in the slum where police dared not venture for the better part of the day.

Police officers operated from the vicinity of Juja Road and avoided an area christened Kosovo that is situated along the Nairobi River.

The Nairobi Provincial Police Officer, Mr King’ori Mwangi, who led the operation, was at one time stoned and shouted down by angry youths, who said they did not want the police since they had not answered their distress calls the previous night.

Initial reports indicated that the attacks were carried out by Mungiki members in an area believed to be under the control of the rival Taliban gang.

Sources suspect the motive was to avenge Sunday’s attack in which the Taliban burnt houses in an area considered Mungiki territory.

A Datsun pick-up, which had been driven into the area to evacuate families, was set ablaze and burnt to a shell.

Tension remained high as residents fled in large numbers for fear of more attacks.

Starehe MP Mr Maina Kamanda, who is also the Sports minister, visited the area last evening and said the Government would provide relief aid to those who had fled their homes. He called on the police to intensify security operations in the area.

A steady downpour that was experienced for the better part of yesterday made things worse for the fleeing residents, who could be seen shielding themselves with polythene papers.

"What can you do when houses are being burnt and people killed yet police cannot help?" asked Mr Joseph Munyao, a father of four.

Most affected were young children and women, some of who said they did not have anywhere to go.

The helplessness of residents was evident when, despite the heavy presence of security officers, a fourth victim was killed early in the morning even as police watched from a distance.

The body of the man was later found lying in a pool of blood in a ditch with deep cuts in the head and neck.

Residents said the victim was among those who spoke on the skirmishes on Monday when Waweru visited the area.

There was trouble when police went to pick the body, with some of the gangs and residents shouting and throwing stones at them. The officers managed to remove the body after threatening to shoot the angry crowd.

Another man was found bleeding with deep cuts in his head and neck, and was rushed to hospital.

Mwangi led a team of police from the GSU, the Administration and Regular police to the area in an effort to calm the situation.

And the Kenya Certificate of Primary Education examinations went on at nearby Genesis and Upendo primary schools where candidates braved the commotion to sit their papers.

Fleeing residents and parents sheltered from the rain under the eaves of the exam rooms.

The pupils had difficult times restraining themselves from looking out of their windows as their neighbours, siblings and parents cowered in fear.

The rivalry between the two gangs started at the weekend when Mungiki raided chang’aa-drinking dens and poured the intoxicant in an area where Taliban collect protection money.

The Taliban retaliated by burning houses in the latter’s jurisdiction on Sunday night. And the Mungiki yesterday morning struck again in Taliban areas with devastating results.

The two groups have imposed various illegal levies on residents. They include fees for security, use of toilets, sale of illicit brews and protection, illegally tapped electricity, water supply and others. Business people also pay levies to the gangs.

Mathare is not a stranger to violence. In June 2003, a rent war erupted when about 100 suspected Mungiki adherents went on the rampage leading to vicious fights, which left 15 youths dead.

The youths had been ferried into the area by a landlord to evict tenants he had disagreed with over rent.

Emerging details indicate the flare-up was triggered by turf wars.

Mungiki is in charge of housing, water, toilets and security and every resident is bound by the unwritten law whose breach can lead to summary execution, say sources.

If you are a visitor in Mathare, you must pay Sh30 every time you visit the toilet.

Residents who want electricity must part with Sh200 per month, sources say.

According to the residents, trouble has been brewing following Mungiki’s attempt to lock out the Taliban from levying protection fee on chang’aa brewers.

The Taliban have been collecting Sh300 for every drum of chang’aa, but Mungiki have been planning to rid the slum of the brew, residents said.

How is this relevant to the debate at hand i.e. EAF????

Balozi
 
Unregistered said:
How is this relevant to the debate at hand i.e. EAF????

Balozi

Halo Balozi, if you can not see the connection, how can I help you? Kenya should clean up its house before exporting violence to the Fed. May be you can read this also from the Nation Newspaper and see the point:Alarm as toll rises in clash-torn area

Story by KENNEDY MASIBO and SAM KIPLAGAT
Publication Date: 11/8/2006
Mistrust and rivalry over land ownership following the politically instigated clashes of the early 90s have re-emerged in Kuresoi, resulting in loss of lives and property over the past four months.
The latest flare-up starting last week follows an uneasy calm, not just in Kuresoi but in parts of Molo, Nakuru and Laikipia over the past month. Clashes in these areas resulted in a major crackdown by the Government last month.
The ongoing conflict has affected large portions of the 306 square kilometre area of highly productive agricultural land occupied mainly by members of four communities.

During the 1992 clashes, pockets of people from certain communities were driven out of farms such as Korofa, Chapakundi and Saosa. Other people then acquired title deeds to the abandoned farms, making it hard for the initial owners to return.

Former President Moi ordered that about 700 families ejected from Chapakundi be settled in Elburgon forest (in a scheme named Kapsita). In effect, this closed the door to return of those affected to Chapakundi. They have since settled at Kasarani village in Elburgon.

In other farms hit by the 1992 clashes such as Temuyota, Murinduko, Kawmaura and Giticha no meaningful stability has been established over the years. Many people still sleep in trading centres and work in their farms during the day.

During the recent disturbances at Nessuit, members of two communities clashed over sheep stolen from a pastor's home. More than 50 houses were subsequently set ablaze and many families forced to flee the area.
Later, members of one community claimed that the other had encroached on its ancestral land and should move out.

Since the recent flare-up of violence in Kuresoi, more than 300 houses have been burnt and at least seven people killed.
The violence has been blamed on the attempted rape of a girl by three members of another community. But the man who died over the issue was from a third community. He met a group of incensed people on its way to revenge the rape.

Within hours, houses were burnt in several farms and hundreds of families sent fleeing. The victims see this as a continuation of ethnic cleansing that started in 1992 and say it has nothing to do with cattle theft or rape incidents as alleged.

Many abandoned houses are looted and torched several days later. The mayhem usually spreads to areas more than 20 kilometres away.
Petrol and paraffin, which are quite costly, are used ... yet very few of the rural invaders own cars.

Most of the affected farms were bought by co-operative societies and companies during the Kenyatta era and subdivided into small units. Others belonged to the Settlement Fund Trustee (SFT). Beneficiaries were expected to pay for the land through loans issued by the Government.

Members of one community in Kuresoi claim that the Kenyatta regime favoured its own people in land distribution. This is one of the underlying causes of the problem.

During the 1992 clashes, some politicians incited members of their community to cleanse certain areas of people from other communities (referred to as madoadoa). And just before the 1997 General Election, clashes recurred in Njoro and Laikipia.

Human rights groups are blaming the Government for failing to deal with fundamental land issues, saying that sending policemen to quell the crisis will not solve the problem.

Mr Kefa Magenyi of the Internally Displaced People group says not a single murderer or arsonist has been convicted since 1992. Perpetrators of violence always go underground and resurface when they deem it necessary, he says.
Neither has any politician been charged with inciting people to violence, yet the Governments intelligence machinery has facts and figures.
The latest flare-up in Kuresoi confirms fears that tribal clashes are far from over. The people killed so far include four suspected arsonists and three civilians. The arsonists were shot dead by security personnel while the others were attacked by raiders.

During the August clashes, five people were killed, 23 were injured and thousands were displaced. More than 200 houses were burnt down.
Conflicts in Kuresoi have persisted this year since the first incident in August when a suspected cattle rustler was lynched by villagers allegedly responding to a distress call at Ndimu-Karai farm.
More than 20 houses were burnt down while an old woman sustained machete cuts after she was found in her house by arsonists. They proceeded on a looting spree.

A few weeks later, six people were killed in the neighbouring Temyota Four farm when raiders struck in a revenge mission.
This week, tensions have risen after the attempted defilement of a primary school pupil, but what ignited the clashes was the release of the suspect by police.

Members of the girl's community confronted the suspect and roughed him up, but he was saved by the local councillor. That night, a gang armed with bows and arrows attacked Temyota village and killed two people.
Residents of Murinduko have, for a while now, decried arson attacks that have persisted since skirmishes erupted in mid September. Raiders target deserted homesteads and villages in Kuresoi division in a bid to stop affected families from returning to their farms.

So far, over 240 houses have been torched, despite the Government's assurance that law and order has been restored. In fact, the Government had been appealing to displaced families to return to their farms.
During the last clashes, the provincial security committee mobilised an extra 250 police officers in 16 hours to control the fighting.

Among those killed this week are Mr Wilson Makori, Mr Francis Kariuki and Mr Albert Onyango. Several people have been injured and others displaced, while over 30 houses have been torched in the past four days.
From Murinduko area, the violence spread to Baringo farm, Umoja and Buchage by Monday. Most of the local farms were purchased through land companies from white settlers. Some of the farmers have lived there since 1977.

The settlers engage in agricultural and dairy farming and have good access to the main market in Molo town, about 70 kilometres away.
Mr Bernard Musiola, who the Nation found at Mucharage said: "The raiders are interested only in driving us out of our land.

He added that his family had lived in the area for over 20 years after purchasing their farm from a land buying company.
Mr John Mbugua Muchiri, who resides on Baringo farm, says the fighting is purely tribal, noting that it is the second time their house has been set ablaze.
Other leaders said various communities had been residing peacefully in the area and point accusing fingers at politicians for inciting the violence.
"Elders from various communities should meet and discuss ways of finding a lasting solution to the problem," said a resident.

Other residents said they previously dwelt in forests in Elburgon but moved to the areas some years ago as farm workers. Then they bought small portions of land to eke a living. Raiders have been accused of stealing maize and other foodstuff once victims flee their homes.

During the last meeting, some locals said they were confining their cattle to their houses at night to guard against rustling. They said attackers usually flee in one direction, adding that security personnel should follow the stolen livestock to a certain forest settlement scheme.

Rift Valley PC Hassan Noor Hassan recently blamed the sporadic violence to unemployment, saying many youth are idle.
On a claim by residents that of the 49 chiefs and their assistants in the area, only four were from different communities, the PC said the appointments were done on merit.

The security officers deployed to the area during the last skirmishes were withdrawn after complaints that they were from communities involved in the conflict. Nakuru DC Andrew Rukaria says the Government is determined to maintain law and order and will not allow destruction of life and property.
During a security operation in Nessuit scheme a month ago, the police used force to end the clashes. Human rights activist Patrick Githinji calls for a peace and reconciliation committee.

The volatile situation at Boron, Kamwaura, Temyota, Buchege, Githima, Mwahe, Murinduko and Sundu River villages has adversely affected farming and other economic activities.

Many people have had to seek refuge in trading centres at night, and go to their farms only during the day.
 
Hawa ndio wakenya wanavyoishi, watakwambia huo ni uongo waacheni waendelee hivyo hivyo... (hatutaki federation ng'oooooooooooooooooo
 
Mh Mbunge Zitto

Rational ya idadi ya wabunge kwa uwiano bado ni Fumbo linalohitaji kujadiliwa. Kusema kuongezeka toka 7% to 14% ndio idadi ya wabunge iongezeke si kweli. Kwani kwa haraka haraka ukiangalia ratio wakati mna nafasi moja na mpaka mpate mbunge wa pili it is not that much direct, wataalamu wa mahesabu Mwl Moshi, FD, Kichuguu wanaweza kukufafanulia hilo. Just wape idadi ya hiyo 7% mlikuwa wangapi against CCM, na sasa hiyo 14% ni wangapi against CCM

Bunge la Jamhuri = Tanzania bara + Zanzibar and also
Bunge la Jamhuri = Chama Tawala + Upinzani


Ili Kuchagua Wabunge wa EALA

1.Mchakato wa Chama Tawala = X
2.Mchakato wa Upinzani (Modality to be agreed) = Y. NOTE: washiriki hapa ni wenye uwakilishi ktk Bunge la Jamhuri


X = Bara + Zanzibar
Y = Bara + Zanzibar

Sasa kama hilo hapo juu haliko kama nilivyoainisha then kuna hoja

Kuvunja kanuni ni one thing (No excuse kwenye ujinga) na kusaidia Chama is another thing. Do not mix the two please

Invincible
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nyanga'u proud said:
im glad kenyans have turned up in this enclave of hateful tanzanians and though in vain,tried to knock some sense into their empty skulls.

show 'em the kenyan spirit,we dont take insults and degradation without putting up a fight.you gat the wrong crowd tanzanian brethren,to pick a fight with.

try the ugandans or rwandese.mnaelewa hii lugha kweli?
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Hivi umesemaje? maana sisi hatuelewi kizungu ati. Naona Njonjo mdogo unajivunia lugha yako yenye kuonyesha utamaduni wako(mmmh.. nilisikia ni kasumba tu aliyowaachia muingereza).

There is no point so far made by any kenyan in here, only persuading Tzs to join hand in EAF federation. Instead of doing it respectively, they go along with their way of boasting being a EA super power! Who said Kenya economy is good? Few nyang'aus robbed the country and the rest left in alarming poverty does not make the country rich.. say robbed. Ok?

How would you feel having Tz out of EAF? We dont need this thing, we know where it will end. If you think we fear foreigners, that's up to you to judge.
 
Ndugu yangu Ndabita, mimi nakuaminia. Sikupi pole; nakupa hongera kwa kuweza kusimamia ukweli. Uliyoyaongea kuhusu speaker kwa waandishi wa habari naamini ni ukweli ambao wengi wanajua hivyo. Tofauti yako na wengine ni kwamba wewe umekwenda mbele na kuusema huo ukweli hadharani, wengine ama wamekaa kimya au wameongea na wake/waume zao tu basi. Hii ndio kasumba yetu na inazidi kututafuna mpaka wakenya watakapokuja kututawala ndani ya EAC. Kwetu mkubwa haambiwa amejamba! Ulichofanya wewe ni kuvunja huu mwiko na kumwambia Sitta kuwa kajamba, tena kajamba kijambo chenye harufu kali na mbaya sana badala ya kumwambia etu upepo wa shetani umepita
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Siungi mkono kuomba radhi kiutu uzima kama alivyopendekeza moja ya wachangiaji. Ufanye hivyo tu kama uliyoyaongea ama si ya kweli au huna uhakika kama ni ya kweli. Kama una uhakika shikilia msimamo wako. Nenda mbele zaidi uandkike mawazo yako jinsi unavyoona Sitta kavunja kanuni ukidorosa vipengele muhimu vya katiba,kisheria na kanuni za bunge letu na mabunge mengine katika jumuiya ya madola. Itabidi ukae na wanasheria wazalendo hasa Tundu ili mpitie sentensi baada ya sentensi na neno baada ya neno katika statement utakayoandika.

Katika kuisoma hiyo statement bungeni, uwe umetulia tuli usiwe na wasiwasi; all the time ukisoma hiyo statement umwangilie speaker Sitta straight on his eyes.

Ndugu yangu Ndabita ukiomba msamaha, kuna hatari ya kushusha hadhi sana ubunge wako. Kumbuka hii itakuwa mara ya pili kuomba msamaha katika kipindi kisichozidi mwaka tangu uingie bungeni. Hii haitatoa picha nzuri kwa wapiga kura wako. Utaonekana wewe ni mwongo! Hamna kitu kibaya kwa mwanasiasa kama kuonekana kwamba ni muongo hasa kwa wapiga kura wake!
Bora wakupe adhabu uitumikie kwa kusema ukweli kulikoni kuomba msamaha huku ukijua kabisa humaanishi katika huo msamaha (yaani msamaha wa kinafiki). Hapa ndipo pa kuonesha tofauti katika ya wanasiasa wazee na vijana kwa upande mmoja, na wanasiasa wa CCM na upinzani kwa upande mwingine.

Chama pia lazima kikusaidie katika hili. Kwa jambo kubwa ambalo uliliongea sidhani kwamba uliongea 100% as an individual. You spoke as an institution, first as an MP and second as CHADEMA and opposition. Our party and other opposition parties must stand on your side. I will be staggered if the CHADEMA leadership will stand back and just witness your crucification without any empathetic and sympathetic support.



Mwisho: najua utatishwa sana. Lakini utambue kuwa hizo ndizo gharama za kuwa mpinzani katika nchi zetu za kiafrika zinazoongozwa na miungu watu. You have started the race, keep up the struggle. Unfortunately, some of us have no much help other than writing in this kind of forum sympathetically.

Best wishes in your struggle to give our politics a new look.
 
silly tanzanians, kenyans have always had their problems, but we always find a way to disagree without any major problems.kenya is a democracy with an active opposition and freedom of press , we get to say what we think and we talk about our problems without trying to hide them.

Tanzanians also have major problems, but halloooo they will never talk about their problems openly, your whole nation is a just a bunch of "yes men" you "follow the leader", yes like the characters in George Orwells animal farm ,remember the quote "Napoleon is always correct" yeah thats what im talkin about, you have a non existent opposition, you harrass your press, and suck up to SADC, how ironic, you come here complaining about The EAST AFRICAN federation and you run out and beg to join SADC.

Hmmmm, south africans are just like kenyans only that they are worse they will take everything you own, they are already in huge campaign to dominate your economy,they just acquired you airline, maybe they will own kilimanjaro as well hahaha, lol. you will be fools to believe that you will compete effectively with south africans, in twenty years time you will be hating on south africans the way you hate on kenyans,lol.

Go on you are like a headless chicken running around.swinging btw EA and SA, you know whaenga walisema mwenda tezi na omo marejeo ni ngamani. maybe when you fools have gone, your kids will open their eyes and see the new world order.
 
Ndabita, simamia msimamo wako achana na huyo mzee hana maana!

anataka kukumaliza. Ukikaa kimya utamumaliza yeye na hasa akiamua kuchukua uamzi wake wa kidikiteta.

Na kama alivyosema mwana siasa, hii itakuwa mara ya pili. Ninaamini wewe hukwenda bungeni kutafuta posho kama SITA anavyofiri.

Muda wake umeisha atawaacha vijana bungeni.
 
Mzee Ndabita,

Ninaomba ku-diggest kwanza hii issue na nipate the insides, halafu nitakupa mawazo yangu!
 
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silly tanzanians, kenyans have always had their problems, but we always find a way to disagree without any major problems.kenya is a democracy with an active opposition and freedom of press , we get to say what we think and we talk about our problems without trying to hide them.Tanzanians also have major problems, but halloooo they will never talk about their problems openly, your whole nation is a just a bunch of "yes men" you "follow the leader", yes like the characters in George Orwells animal farm ,remember the quote "Napoleon is always correct" yeah thats what im talkin about, you have a non existent opposition, you harrass your press, and suck up to SADC, how ironic, you come here complaining about The EAST AFRICAN federation and you run out and beg to join SADC,hmmmm, south africans are just like kenyans only that they are worse they will take everything you own, they are already in huge campaign to dominate your economy,they just acquired you airline, maybe they will own kilimanjaro as well hahaha, lol. you will be fools to believe that you will compete effectively with south africans, in twenty years time you will be hating on south africans the way you hate on kenyans,lol.go on you are like a headless chicken running around.swinging btw EA and SA, you know whaenga walisema mwenda tezi na omo marejeo ni ngamani. maybe when you fools have gone, your kids will open their eyes and see the new world order.

keep on brother, tell it like it is,tanzanians jus have hate, thas all they got, they have no arguments, except emotional arguments, man you can always argue about how bad your neighbour is, but it doesn't matter coz in the end its the "ECONOMY STUPID" we know we kenyans lack in manners, but so are the americans and everyone else, you and your good manners, let see if that will pay the rent and feed your masses.
 
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