Hivi kati ya Ottoman empire na Roman empire ipi ilitumia zaidi nguvu na kuua watu wengi per time it ruled?

[wazanaki]

haya yanawezekana lakini the way forward is not to change history but to change the present.

hawa wanaojaribu ku re-write history kwa ulongo wao hawamfaidishi mtu

China waliteswa sana na wajapan,wakorea,british,Germans

Lakini hawajawahi kubadilisha historia yao na kuanza kufundisha eti walitawala dunia vita vya pili...Nope, walichofanya ni kujitambua kuwa wamekuwa wanyonge for too long ni kubadilika na kuweka mikakati long term ya kuhakikisha wankuwa superpower yenye nguvu duniani..

The change doesnt start yesterday..it starts Now and it begins with you[emoji121]

Ya sure ni kama umelala kwenye nyumba yako unaamka asubuhi unakuta mtu anaishi na vitu vyako vyote kavitoa ndani na kaweka vyake na wewe umekua mfanyakazi kwa lazima. Huku ukiwa umefungwa minyororo.
Cha kufanya hapo ni kua mpole kwanza na kujifanya mjinga. Ili akikosea tu akakupa chance ya kukufungua minyororo unatumia opportunity effectively. Na asipokosea ni kuendelea kumuwekea mitego itakayomfanya akosee.

 

[Mokaze]

so ingekuwa 'god's plan' kuunganisha dunia under 1 religion then asingeruhusu ottoman empire ianguke kwasababu mpaka leo muslims wako divided na nchi mbali mbali za kiislam ziko divided..only under ottoman empire were they truly united

Wewe nani kakuambia kwamba Waisilamu wataunganishwa chini ya empire???

 

[Mokaze]

Umejibu kishabiki sana...tukijibu kwa fact ni kwamba divisions in islam zilianza baada ya mtume kufa watu wakaanza kupigania power ya utawala wengine wakiangalia undungu wengine urafiki na muhamad..so divisions are caused by the fight for power to rule na kumbuka kulikuwa na makabila mengi ya waarabu waliotaka hiyo power ya kutawala watu..ndo source ya division

Swali halikuwa ni vipi mgawanyiko wa waisilamu ulivyotokea!!--- juu ya yote mgawanyiko ulitokea baada ya waisilamu KUACHA MAFUNDISHO YA DINI YAO, sababu zote hizo ulizozitaja MSINGI WAKE NI KUACHA MAFUNDISHO YA DINI, Kama Waisilamu wangalishikamana na kamba ya Allah kamwe wasingemuua Seydna Uthman na Seydna Ally (ra), uroho wa madaraka na magomvi miongoni mwao maana yake ni Kukosa mafundisho ya dini. Na Allah ameshasema ndani ya Qur'an kwamba hawezi kuwaacha waaminio katika hali hiyo ya kufarakana ni lazima awapambanue nani muovu na nani ni safi kwa kumtuma mtume aje kuwaonya mtume huyo ndiye Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as), huyo ni mtume mfuasi wa Mtume Muhammad (saw), huyo kaja kufundisha Uisilamu uleule aliofundisha mtume (saw). Yeye ni mujjadid.

Unasema Waahmadiyya wanaitwa makafiri na majority ya waislamu, nasema hivi; Mtume (saw) alisema umati wake utagawanyika makundi 73 yote yataingia motoni isipokuwa kundi moja tu, sasa wewe huoni kwamba makundi yote hayo inapokuja Ahmadiyya wote wanaungana dhidi ya Ahmadiyya!!, huoni kwamba ni makundi 72 dhidi ya kundi moja??!!, huoni kwamba hilo kundi moja ndiyo Ahmadiyya??

Niliposema kwamba Roman empire ilikuwepo kabla ya Yesu kuzaliwa, maana yangu ni Roman empire chini ya Emperor Caesar na siyo Roman empire chini ya Emperor Constatine na hata chini ya huyo Emperor Constatine bado hakuna ushahidi kwamba Ukristo ndiyo ulijenga hiyo Empire bali ni Empire ndiyo ilifanya ukristo uwe dini yake. Halikadhalika katika Uisilamu ni Ottoman empire ndiyo iliyokumbatia Uislam (viongozi) wake na sio vinginevyo ndipo nikasema Ukristo na Uisilamu haukuzijenga hizo Empire bali hizo empire zilijijenga zenyewe na kwakuwa wafuasi wake walikuwa na dini zao outmatically sentiments zao zikaingizwa katika empire zao, msingi wangu ulikuwa ni huo.

 

[Kipangaspecial]

Walikuwa wanakuja Afrika kujifunza technology
Hata hapo Mali wagiriki waliiba.mambo mengi mno wakaenda kupeleka kwao huko Europe

Kilichowafanya washindwe kuendeleza hiyo technology yao ni nini ?

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[Kipangaspecial]

You look down on african brother. Lakinj kama african ndo wame originate kila kitu

Acha kujijaza upepo, sasa iweje the place of origin for many things ndio iwe the poorest part of the universe ?

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[Kipangaspecial]

One can argue.. we have been conditioned to believe that we made nothing of significance.. but the truth is quite the opposite..

One place I believe we are still being used is in the area of Religion... Indians keeps their own religion, English have The Anglican, Italy keeps their Catholicism, Arabs are proud of islam, Chinese got Confucious.. Russians they have Russian Orthodox, the Greeks have their own Orthodox, even Muslims have varieties popular in different places..

My biggest question is... Why! If we all believe in Allah and the Holy Quran why should there be differences!? If we Believe in one God and the Bible why all these differences!!?

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Rafiki haupo serious , unaongelea Anglican church iliyokuja juzi juzi hapa, basically most parts of western europe was under Catholic church.

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[Kipangaspecial]

Kuna mdau kasema wale Egyptian walikuwa watu weusi.. Nubians..
Je walikuwa hawana technology yoyote ya kuwafanya watu wa ulaya waje kujifunza?

Ikawaje jamii za Bantus na Khoisan zisiende ku kopi hayo maarifa ?

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[Kipangaspecial]

Jessie Russell
Invented The technology that made possible for the modern day Cellphones and Cellphone Towers to Exist. And he still lives if am not mistaken..

But ask yourself... Mark Zuckerberg is big for inventing a website... But the guy who makes it possible for us to enjoy the site is forgotten..

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Nani kamsahau ?
Kama tunajua amesahaulika, nani anatuzuia sisi waafrika kum promote mwafrika mwenzetu ?


We, Africans like excuses

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[Kipangaspecial]

This goes back to the Imperial German East Africa Co. (IGEACO) under Carl Peters .. Carl alikuwa broker hakuwa ametumwa na serikali alikuja atafute makoloni for his country.. Serikali haikuwa imempa assistance at first.. so he needed to play smart putting together deals which will not cost his country when time comes to implement.

Na moja ya vikwazo vikubwa ilikuwa ni resistance na gharama kubwa za vita kwa Ujerumani. Ndio maana aliweka deals na machief kuwaheshimu na kulinda interest zao ikiwemo their rights to access their land and practice their culture.. for Kenya and Zimbabwe The English has money a d was ready to spend.

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Katika watu tunaosema walisaini mikataba feki ni huyo Carl Peters but hapa unam portray kama someone trustworthy

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[Kipangaspecial]

Kama nilivyosema Ancient Egypt was one of the biggest empires in the world and it stayed intact as a civilization for over 3milenium.. and that comes with alot.. people coming in wanaona na kuzaa and that changes everything..

In 30generations na muingiliano people will look differently... Imagine from slavery to date USA is hardly 400yes (4generation) and already you can see the changes physically.. of black people na muingiliano unaotengeneza Mulatos akina Maria Obama who will go on to mix with more people to create and entirely different race.

So originally Ancient Egypt was Black Civilization. What happened in 3000years could have led to alot of changes ..I believe

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400 years ni 8 generations

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[Kipangaspecial]

Walikua hawana sababu ya ku expand empire, walikua wanakila kitu na walikua wanaheshimu utu.
Walikua wamefocus kwenye technology, mathematics na vingine kibao.
Au wenda wali expand empire wezi jua. Maana the black egypt tunayoongelea ni 4000 yrs back in time. Can yu imagine. Na historia ya roman empire imeandikwa na mzungu. Sa ulitegemea achafue history yake.
Hata kama egypt once ilikua the greatest kuliko hizo roman empire. Mzungu hawezi kukuandikia hiyo narrative. Hiyo narrative utakuja kui prove mwenyewe kwenye modern african people. Why tysom? Why michael jackson, why mayweather, why etc......... we are the greatest now. Cant yu see the proof

Yaani Tyson Mayweather na MJ ndio mifano yako katika ku justify hoja yako, Big NOOOOO.

Ipo hiviiii, kule marekani kutokana na mbinyo uliokuwepo katika jamii za watu weusi vs watu weupe, weusi wengi walikosa fursa ya kujiunga na sekta ambazo ni za white collar jobs ambazo zilihitaji wasomi unlike entertainment industry ambayo ever since haikuwa strict hivyo kufanya iwe sehemu ya blacks kupumulia na ku make a living.

Utakuja kutoa tena mifano ya richest rappers like Sean Comb na Shawn Cutter. Hawa again chimbuko la muziki wao ni struggle za slaves kule America ambao walikuwa wana compose nyimbo ambazo tunaziita za miondoko ya hip hop katika hatua zao za ku claim better living standard in the Us, but later on until todate their purpose has no longer being an issue of claiming better living standard but rather entertaining people worldwide.

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[Kipangaspecial]

Kama umeshasema zote ziliondoa uhai wa watu wakati wa kueneza dini, unataka tutumie nini kuionesha moja kuwa brutal kuliko nyingine? Namna ya kuua, ama nini?

Idadi ya waliouliwa

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[Kipangaspecial]

ingekuwa hivo waisrael mpaka leo wangekuwa weusi...au unataka kusema walikuwaga weusi ila gene mutation ilitokea wakawa weupe?

Hawa waisrael wa kizazi hiki ni wahuni watupu, Israel ya sasa imejaa wazungu ambao wanakijua kiyahudi

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[Kelevra]

Wakuu mbona mnajua sana kuhusu roman empire kuliko empire zilizokuwepo afrika. Hii sio effect ya colonial education. Hamstuki

Hata hiyo Historia ya Africa watu wanaijua Ila siyo mada inayojadiliwa hapa...hujagundua hilo mkuu?

 

[Kamukhm]

Katika watu tunaosema walisaini mikataba feki ni huyo Carl Peters but hapa unam portray kama someone trustworthy

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Mikataba ya hovyo inakuwa dhana . subjective. Kwa wajerumani waliohitaji makoloni ilikuwa mikataba mizuri... Kwa sisi watawaliwa haikuwa mizuri.. na Carl kwa Wajerumani was a smart man.. na Kwetu he was smart but evil

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[Kamukhm]

400 years ni 8 generations

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Ahsante Kwa kunijuza Kiongozi

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[February Makamba]

Wewe nani kakuambia kwamba Waisilamu wataunganishwa chini ya empire???

historia ndo imenambia hakuna kipindi waislam walikuwa wamoja kama kipindi cha empires baada yapo kila siku wanazidi kutengana na kuuana....

Sasa hizi stori za uahmadiyya hazina maana eti kwasababu waahmad wanapingwa sana basi ndo wa kweli kwa maana vikundi vipo vingi vidogo vinavyopingwa na waislam wengi na kuchukuliwa kama makafir...
hata wasunni wanawapinga washia na kuwaita makafir.Hivyo kupingwa haimaanishi uko sahihi

BTW kila kundi linajiona lenyewe ndo lile la ukweli 1 out of 73

Although ni kweli ahmaddiya ni most peaceful sect na ndo sababu wanapingwa sana na waislam wengine Lakini haimaanishi wao ndo waislam wa kwel.

Tena u'peacefulness wao unahesabiwa kama ukafir maana wanaweza kwenda hata kusali kanisani hao

 

[Mokaze]

historia ndo imenambia hakuna kipindi waislam walikuwa wamoja kama kipindi cha empires baada yapo kila siku wanazidi kutengana na kuuana....

Sasa hizi stori za uahmadiyya hazina maana eti kwasababu waahmad wanapingwa sana basi ndo wa kweli kwa maana vikundi vipo vingi vidogo vinavyopingwa na waislam wengi na kuchukuliwa kama makafir...
hata wasunni wanawapinga washia na kuwaita makafir.Hivyo kupingwa haimaanishi uko sahihi

BTW kila kundi linajiona lenyewe ndo lile la ukweli 1 out of 73

Although ni kweli ahmaddiya ni most peaceful sect na ndo sababu wanapingwa sana na waislam wengine Lakini haimaanishi wao ndo waislam wa kwel.

Tena u'peacefulness wao unahesabiwa kama ukafir maana wanaweza kwenda hata kusali kanisani hao

Kwanza lazima ujue mafundisho Yote ya Uisilamu yanapatikana katika Qur'an na Hadithi za mtume Muhammad (saw), hivyo ili waisilamu waungane ni lazima waunganishwe chini ya Imam Mahd (kiongozi anayeongozwa ) na sio chini ya Empire yoyote, hakuna kitu kama hicho kwamba Empire ndiyo itawaleta pamoja waisilamu, kama unaoushahidi kutoka katika hizo Sources mbili yaani Qur'an na Hadithi lete hapa. Imam Mahd ndiye Muanzilishi mtukufu wa Jumuiyya ya waislamu wa Ahmadiyya.

Umesema kweli kwamba dhehebu la Sunni wanawaita Mashia Makafiri na Mashia hivyo hivyo huwaita Masunni makafiri, Answar sunna pia huwaita Mashia makafiri na hivyohivyo mashia huwaita Answar makafiri ilmuradi wote wanaitana makafiri, lakini jifunze jambo hili; wanapotokea Ahmadiyya mbele ya hayo madhehebu mengine hayo madhehebu huungana na huweka tofauti zao pembeni na kuwa kitu kimoja dhidi ya Ahmadiyya, mfano wake ni huu Simba na Swala ni maadui lakini ukiwaweka katika chumba kimoja na ukawasha moto hapo uadui wao huisha na kuanza kupambana na moto kwanza, hapo Ahmadiyya ni kama moto na hayo madhehebu mengine ni kama simba na swala, hapo ndipo ile hadithi ya mtume (saw) inapofanya kazi pale aliposema kwamba; "Umati wake utagawanyika makundi 73 yote yataingia motoni isipokuwa kundi moja".

Umesema kweli kwamba waisilamu wa Waahmadiyya ni watu wa amani lakini hujasema kweli unaposema kwamba waisilamu -Waahmadiyya huswali kanisani, karibu kila nchi duniani kuna Waahmadiyya na kuna Misikiti ya Ahmadiyya imejengwa sasa inakuaje unadanganya kwamba Waahmadiyya huswali kanisani??.

Of all religions sects, Ahmadiyya sect is in Islam is the fastest growing sect of all sects , Chukua madhehebu ya dini zote duniani Ahmadiyya ndiyo dhehebu linalokuwa kwa kasi kubwa kupita madhehebu ya dini zote na hii ni moja ya sababu ya Ahmadiyya kuchukiwa na madhebu mengine ya Waisilamu, licha ya juhudi za hali na mali zinazofanywa na hao waisilamu wengine kuzuia Jumuiyya ya Waisilamu wa Ahmadiyya lakini wao wenyewe wanakiri; Ahmadiyya is unstopable.

 

[Capitano]

kwanini mkuu

Kwa sababu ilitawala muda mrefu zaidi

 

[Kitoabu]

Kwasababu ni Roman empire ndio waliomuuwa mjumbe wa Mungu Isa aka Yesu aka Jesus aka Iso aka Joshua aka Kristo aka Yasu..aka ....

A.k.a kitoabu