Indonesia, nchi ya kiislamu yakubali kuwa na uhusiano na Israel

Indonesia, nchi ya kiislamu yakubali kuwa na uhusiano na Israel

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Hawa wametia akili na kuacha muarabu abaki na bifu zake kwenye dini yake....

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OECD Secretary-General Mathias Cormann​


Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, will normalize ties with Israel in exchange for Jerusalem’s approval of its request to join the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), following three months of discreet negotiations between the two countries and the organization, Ynet learned on Thursday.

"I am pleased to announce the Council has officially agreed to the clear and explicit early conditions according to which Indonesia must establish diplomatic relations with all OECD member countries before any decision is made to admit it to the OECD,” OECD Secretary-General Mathias Cormann wrote in a letter issued two weeks ago to Foreign Minister Israel Katz and approves by Indonesia beforehand.

“Furthermore, any future decision to accept Indonesia as a member of the organization will require unanimous agreement among all member countries, including Israel. I am convinced that this provides you with assurance at this crucial point,” the letter added.

In a response letter sent by Katz to Cormann on Wednesday, the minister welcomed the breakthrough. "I share your expectation that this process will constitute a change for Indonesia, as I anticipate a positive change in its policy toward Israel, especially abandoning its hostile policy toward it, leading the path to full diplomatic relations between all sides."

According to sources involved in the talks, Indonesia wishes to start the process of joining the OECD, which requires the consensus of all 38 member states of the organization, including the establishment of diplomatic relations with all of them.

Originally, the OECD asked Israel "not to object" to the move, to which Katz declined citing Indonesia’s comments against Israel since the start of the war in Gaza and its support of South Africa’s litigation against Israel at the International Court of Justice at The Hague.

Secretary-General Cormann appealed to Katz and asked him to withdraw the objection, which he refused, insisting Indonesia must show a gesture of goodwill toward Israel. Cormann then discussed the matter with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who decided to leave the decision in Katz’s hands.

After weeks of negotiations, the OECD and Indonesia agreed to include a term in the decision stating Indonesia would have to establish diplomatic relations with Israel before a vote for its joining was approved by the organization.

Prior to this decision, Cormann made an early commitment in a formal letter notifying Katz of the agreement. "I want to sincerely thank you for our very constructive discussions over the past few weeks and for Israel's important decision to allow talks between Indonesia and the OECD regarding its joining the organization.”

“As discussed with you and Prime Minister Netanyahu, the precondition of the start of diplomatic relations prior to any decision to invite Indonesia as a member of the organization is included as a clause in the OECD Council’s official conclusions for the talks,” he added.

Cormann added he was willing to assist in improving relations between Indonesia and Israel at an early stage of the talks as agreed. However, he asserted the final deadline for doing so will take place after Indonesia’s joining the OECD. "As we discussed, this process will have a positive long-term impact, so it was crucial to allow the process to begin," he wrote.

Cormann further specified Indonesia must undergo a technical process that could take between two to three years before joining the organization, implementing a roadmap that includes 26 committees to examine legislation, policies, and regulations in the country.

Each committee will include an Israeli expert, giving Israel a systematic opportunity to communicate with Indonesia - and cast a veto on its accession should it fail to normalize ties with Israel.

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Hawa wametia akili na kuacha muarabu abaki na bifu zake kwenye dini yake....

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OECD Secretary-General Mathias Cormann​


Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, will normalize ties with Israel in exchange for Jerusalem’s approval of its request to join the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), following three months of discreet negotiations between the two countries and the organization, Ynet learned on Thursday.

"I am pleased to announce the Council has officially agreed to the clear and explicit early conditions according to which Indonesia must establish diplomatic relations with all OECD member countries before any decision is made to admit it to the OECD,” OECD Secretary-General Mathias Cormann wrote in a letter issued two weeks ago to Foreign Minister Israel Katz and approves by Indonesia beforehand.

“Furthermore, any future decision to accept Indonesia as a member of the organization will require unanimous agreement among all member countries, including Israel. I am convinced that this provides you with assurance at this crucial point,” the letter added.

In a response letter sent by Katz to Cormann on Wednesday, the minister welcomed the breakthrough. "I share your expectation that this process will constitute a change for Indonesia, as I anticipate a positive change in its policy toward Israel, especially abandoning its hostile policy toward it, leading the path to full diplomatic relations between all sides."

According to sources involved in the talks, Indonesia wishes to start the process of joining the OECD, which requires the consensus of all 38 member states of the organization, including the establishment of diplomatic relations with all of them.

Originally, the OECD asked Israel "not to object" to the move, to which Katz declined citing Indonesia’s comments against Israel since the start of the war in Gaza and its support of South Africa’s litigation against Israel at the International Court of Justice at The Hague.

Secretary-General Cormann appealed to Katz and asked him to withdraw the objection, which he refused, insisting Indonesia must show a gesture of goodwill toward Israel. Cormann then discussed the matter with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who decided to leave the decision in Katz’s hands.

After weeks of negotiations, the OECD and Indonesia agreed to include a term in the decision stating Indonesia would have to establish diplomatic relations with Israel before a vote for its joining was approved by the organization.

Prior to this decision, Cormann made an early commitment in a formal letter notifying Katz of the agreement. "I want to sincerely thank you for our very constructive discussions over the past few weeks and for Israel's important decision to allow talks between Indonesia and the OECD regarding its joining the organization.”

“As discussed with you and Prime Minister Netanyahu, the precondition of the start of diplomatic relations prior to any decision to invite Indonesia as a member of the organization is included as a clause in the OECD Council’s official conclusions for the talks,” he added.

Cormann added he was willing to assist in improving relations between Indonesia and Israel at an early stage of the talks as agreed. However, he asserted the final deadline for doing so will take place after Indonesia’s joining the OECD. "As we discussed, this process will have a positive long-term impact, so it was crucial to allow the process to begin," he wrote.

Cormann further specified Indonesia must undergo a technical process that could take between two to three years before joining the organization, implementing a roadmap that includes 26 committees to examine legislation, policies, and regulations in the country.

Each committee will include an Israeli expert, giving Israel a systematic opportunity to communicate with Indonesia - and cast a veto on its accession should it fail to normalize ties with Israel.

YNet News
Hakuna nchi inayoweza kusimama yenyewe bila mahusiano na nchi zingine.......
Marekani,Urusi,China,Saudi Arabia,UAE e.t.c haziwezi kusimama zenyewe...
Hilo ni jambo la kawaida tatizo wewe umekomalia udini tuuuu.....
 
Hakuna nchi inayoweza kusimama yenyewe bila mahusiano na nchi zingine.......
Marekani,Urusi,China,Saudi Arabia,UAE e.t.c haziwezi kusimama zenyewe...
Hilo ni jambo la kawaida tatizo wewe umekomalia udini tuuuu.....

Kwani si mataifa yote yanayoendeshwa na mihemko ya hiyo dini huwa hayataki uhusiano na Israel.
 
Kwani si mataifa yote yanayoendeshwa na mihemko ya hiyo dini huwa hayataki uhusiano na Israel.
Mataifa hayo hata ukiyataja sababu kubwa ni Israel kuchukua maeneo ya Palestine na kuyakalia kwa mabavu.....
Na yanataka mipaka ya kimataifa iheshimiwe!!!
Hapo kuna Mataifa yanayoiunga mkono palestna iwe huru,,na Kuna Mataifa yanaiunga mkono Israel na sera zake.....
Hakuna vita ya kidini kati ya Palestine na Israel!!!!
 
Issue za middle east ni ya kisiasa na wala sio dini.
nchi ya kiislamu kuwa na mahusiano na israel ni jambo la kawaida tu.
 
According to the Muslim apostle Sura nyeupe pekee ndizo zitaingia peponi...
 
Hawa wametia akili na kuacha muarabu abaki na bifu zake kwenye dini yake....

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OECD Secretary-General Mathias Cormann​


Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, will normalize ties with Israel in exchange for Jerusalem’s approval of its request to join the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), following three months of discreet negotiations between the two countries and the organization, Ynet learned on Thursday.

"I am pleased to announce the Council has officially agreed to the clear and explicit early conditions according to which Indonesia must establish diplomatic relations with all OECD member countries before any decision is made to admit it to the OECD,” OECD Secretary-General Mathias Cormann wrote in a letter issued two weeks ago to Foreign Minister Israel Katz and approves by Indonesia beforehand.

“Furthermore, any future decision to accept Indonesia as a member of the organization will require unanimous agreement among all member countries, including Israel. I am convinced that this provides you with assurance at this crucial point,” the letter added.

In a response letter sent by Katz to Cormann on Wednesday, the minister welcomed the breakthrough. "I share your expectation that this process will constitute a change for Indonesia, as I anticipate a positive change in its policy toward Israel, especially abandoning its hostile policy toward it, leading the path to full diplomatic relations between all sides."

According to sources involved in the talks, Indonesia wishes to start the process of joining the OECD, which requires the consensus of all 38 member states of the organization, including the establishment of diplomatic relations with all of them.

Originally, the OECD asked Israel "not to object" to the move, to which Katz declined citing Indonesia’s comments against Israel since the start of the war in Gaza and its support of South Africa’s litigation against Israel at the International Court of Justice at The Hague.

Secretary-General Cormann appealed to Katz and asked him to withdraw the objection, which he refused, insisting Indonesia must show a gesture of goodwill toward Israel. Cormann then discussed the matter with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who decided to leave the decision in Katz’s hands.

After weeks of negotiations, the OECD and Indonesia agreed to include a term in the decision stating Indonesia would have to establish diplomatic relations with Israel before a vote for its joining was approved by the organization.

Prior to this decision, Cormann made an early commitment in a formal letter notifying Katz of the agreement. "I want to sincerely thank you for our very constructive discussions over the past few weeks and for Israel's important decision to allow talks between Indonesia and the OECD regarding its joining the organization.”

“As discussed with you and Prime Minister Netanyahu, the precondition of the start of diplomatic relations prior to any decision to invite Indonesia as a member of the organization is included as a clause in the OECD Council’s official conclusions for the talks,” he added.

Cormann added he was willing to assist in improving relations between Indonesia and Israel at an early stage of the talks as agreed. However, he asserted the final deadline for doing so will take place after Indonesia’s joining the OECD. "As we discussed, this process will have a positive long-term impact, so it was crucial to allow the process to begin," he wrote.

Cormann further specified Indonesia must undergo a technical process that could take between two to three years before joining the organization, implementing a roadmap that includes 26 committees to examine legislation, policies, and regulations in the country.

Each committee will include an Israeli expert, giving Israel a systematic opportunity to communicate with Indonesia - and cast a veto on its accession should it fail to normalize ties with Israel.

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Uharo mtupu.

Toka lini wewe umeanza kuongelea vizuri Uislam. Umekosa cha kuandika.
 
Kwani si mataifa yote yanayoendeshwa na mihemko ya hiyo dini huwa hayataki uhusiano na Israel.
Dear Muslims of Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia…..

Your governments will use the following excuses to justify the normalisation with the Zionist state:

1- We are not more royal than the king, nor more Arab than the Arabs. Jordan, Egypt, the UAE, Bahrain, Morocco, and Saudi Arabia are all cozying up to Israel, and they are the essence of Islam, so we have no right to be more Muslim than them.

2- We are against the Zionist occupation of Palestine and support the Palestinian people. Economic normalization does not mean we will abandon the Palestinians; it is a means to support the cause.

3- Peace treaties in Islam are permissible and lawful. There are examples like the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah between the Prophet Muhammad and non-Muslims. [This is incorrect because there was no permanent peace with any occupier of Muslim land, but rather with originally non-Muslim territory and a Muslim force. Peace was temporary, while normalization is permanent…]

4- We do not love the Zionists and do not want peace with them, but it is a temporary peace to benefit from economic privileges. When we become an economic power, we can impose our convictions…..

and more….
 
Mataifa hayo hata ukiyataja sababu kubwa ni Israel kuchukua maeneo ya Palestine na kuyakalia kwa mabavu.....
Na yanataka mipaka ya kimataifa iheshimiwe!!!
Hapo kuna Mataifa yanayoiunga mkono palestna iwe huru,,na Kuna Mataifa yanaiunga mkono Israel na sera zake.....
Hakuna vita ya kidini kati ya Palestine na Israel!!!!

Fuata historia ya pale acha hizi kauli za kizembe, hao waarabu ndio waliwakuta Wayahudi kwenye ardhi ya urithi wao.
Wapalestina wakikubali kuishi kwa amani na Wayahudi wala hakutakua na shida, tatizo hiyo dini yenu huwaharibu akili.
 
Fuata historia ya pale acha hizi kauli za kizembe, hao waarabu ndio waliwakuta Wayahudi kwenye ardhi ya urithi wao.
Wapalestina wakikubali kuishi kwa amani na Wayahudi wala hakutakua na shida, tatizo hiyo dini yenu huwaharibu akili.
Duh kuelewa ni kazi kweli kweli...... point ni moja Palestine wanataka Uhuru wa eneo lao pamoja na maeneo yanayokaliwa kimabavu na Israel.
Sasa shida ni hapo kuwa huru,Kuna baadhi ya mataifa yanakwamisha hilo wazo......ila Kuna baadhi ya mataifa yanakubali wazo la two states.
Ishu ni hiyo tuu simple.......ila kusema kwamba Kuna vita ya kidini hapana!!
 
Duh kuelewa ni kazi kweli kweli...... point ni moja Palestine wanataka Uhuru wa eneo lao pamoja na maeneo yanayokaliwa kimabavu na Israel.
Sasa shida ni hapo kuwa huru,Kuna baadhi ya mataifa yanakwamisha hilo wazo......ila Kuna baadhi ya mataifa yanakubali wazo la two states.
Ishu ni hiyo tuu simple.......ila kusema kwamba Kuna vita ya kidini hapana!!

Hautakaa uelewe maana unategemea ilmu ya dini, tafuta mtu akuelimishe historia ya pale.....Hawa mazombi wenu watazidi kuuawa kwa hizi kauli za kidini za kutaka kuifuta Israel.

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Hawa wametia akili na kuacha muarabu abaki na bifu zake kwenye dini yake....

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OECD Secretary-General Mathias Cormann​


Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world, will normalize ties with Israel in exchange for Jerusalem’s approval of its request to join the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), following three months of discreet negotiations between the two countries and the organization, Ynet learned on Thursday.

"I am pleased to announce the Council has officially agreed to the clear and explicit early conditions according to which Indonesia must establish diplomatic relations with all OECD member countries before any decision is made to admit it to the OECD,” OECD Secretary-General Mathias Cormann wrote in a letter issued two weeks ago to Foreign Minister Israel Katz and approves by Indonesia beforehand.

“Furthermore, any future decision to accept Indonesia as a member of the organization will require unanimous agreement among all member countries, including Israel. I am convinced that this provides you with assurance at this crucial point,” the letter added.

In a response letter sent by Katz to Cormann on Wednesday, the minister welcomed the breakthrough. "I share your expectation that this process will constitute a change for Indonesia, as I anticipate a positive change in its policy toward Israel, especially abandoning its hostile policy toward it, leading the path to full diplomatic relations between all sides."

According to sources involved in the talks, Indonesia wishes to start the process of joining the OECD, which requires the consensus of all 38 member states of the organization, including the establishment of diplomatic relations with all of them.

Originally, the OECD asked Israel "not to object" to the move, to which Katz declined citing Indonesia’s comments against Israel since the start of the war in Gaza and its support of South Africa’s litigation against Israel at the International Court of Justice at The Hague.

Secretary-General Cormann appealed to Katz and asked him to withdraw the objection, which he refused, insisting Indonesia must show a gesture of goodwill toward Israel. Cormann then discussed the matter with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who decided to leave the decision in Katz’s hands.

After weeks of negotiations, the OECD and Indonesia agreed to include a term in the decision stating Indonesia would have to establish diplomatic relations with Israel before a vote for its joining was approved by the organization.

Prior to this decision, Cormann made an early commitment in a formal letter notifying Katz of the agreement. "I want to sincerely thank you for our very constructive discussions over the past few weeks and for Israel's important decision to allow talks between Indonesia and the OECD regarding its joining the organization.”

“As discussed with you and Prime Minister Netanyahu, the precondition of the start of diplomatic relations prior to any decision to invite Indonesia as a member of the organization is included as a clause in the OECD Council’s official conclusions for the talks,” he added.

Cormann added he was willing to assist in improving relations between Indonesia and Israel at an early stage of the talks as agreed. However, he asserted the final deadline for doing so will take place after Indonesia’s joining the OECD. "As we discussed, this process will have a positive long-term impact, so it was crucial to allow the process to begin," he wrote.

Cormann further specified Indonesia must undergo a technical process that could take between two to three years before joining the organization, implementing a roadmap that includes 26 committees to examine legislation, policies, and regulations in the country.

Each committee will include an Israeli expert, giving Israel a systematic opportunity to communicate with Indonesia - and cast a veto on its accession should it fail to normalize ties with Israel.

YNet News
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