Ingredients of treason in Tanzania: Je Lissu katenda yapi/lipi kati ya haya

Ingredients of treason in Tanzania: Je Lissu katenda yapi/lipi kati ya haya

Mayor Quimby said:
The starting point of any prosecutor or defence in a criminal case is not precedence (but looking at the facts of the case)

Thereafter it’s the duty of prosecution to provide the ‘burden of proof’ on the allegations until proven otherwise (the matter is assumed innocence).

There is no such thing as ‘ingredients’ of crime in criminal law anywhere in the world. The basis of criminal offences are always expressed from the nation penal code (summarised, same offenses could be expressed in different acts).
Click to expand...
"The starting point of any prosecutor or defence in a criminal case is not precedence (but looking at the facts of the case)."
Intent: Suggests that cases begin with facts, not legal precedent.
''Precedence" is the wrong word — you likely meant "precedent" (legal rulings from previous cases).
It's misleading. While facts are primary, legal precedent is still important for interpreting the law and guiding arguments.
 
Retired said:
You are very correct!1 Lakini literature inasema hivyo, may be let us first define the word "ingredient"/elements
Click to expand...
Mkubwa law is social science ‘discipline’.

Its rules are underpinned from
various philosophies and prominent scholars thinking; same as in other disciplines.

Only that law is concerned with morals ethical values and just.

Hizo rules azijaibuka tu from nowhere. Kuna maandishi luluki, ethical na moral justifications.

There is no such thing as literature nor ingredients in criminal offences; but there is burden of proof (hiyo nayo ni story nyingine ndefu).

You do know, haki za mfungwa mawakili wa Lissu wameokotea JK kutoka kwenye post yangu.

Sasa trust me, nikikwambia leave it, hayo mambo unayoongelea ufafanuzi wako ni simple.

Muda wa kulała huku
 
macho_mdiliko said:
"The starting point of any prosecutor or defence in a criminal case is not precedence (but looking at the facts of the case)."
Intent: Suggests that cases begin with facts, not legal precedent.
''Precedence" is the wrong word — you likely meant "precedent" (legal rulings from previous cases).
It's misleading. While facts are primary, legal precedent is still important for interpreting the law and guiding arguments.
Click to expand...
Learn the heirachy of laws, first; before you write such nonsense (sorry for my offensive language, I kind do that; when I am tired).

Ciao
 
macho_mdiliko said:
Uko sahihi kabisa. Na walivyo vilaza, rais anakaa kabisa Ikulu eti anafuatilia kesi. Ksema ukweli sikudhani kuwa serikali hii ina watu wa hovyo namna hii. Huyo hakimu anatumika ili watoto wake na yeye wapate kula japo hili nalo siyo kisingizio. Watu wamelewa madaraka na wasijue kuwa siku moja tu inaweza kubadilisha mengi kwenye siasa. Magufuli na wapambe wake nao walikuwa wamelewa chakari mpaka siku mambo yalipobadilika bila wao kuamini.
Click to expand...
unatazama hoja kwa kioo chako na kwa hisia zako na matakwa yako,hivyo ndivyo utakavyoamua,lakini siku zote jitahidi kuwa neutral unapochambua mambo ili uupate ukweli sahihi
 
fimboyaukwaju said:
unatazama hoja kwa kioo chako na kwa hisia zako na matakwa yako,hivyo ndivyo utakavyoamua,lakini siku zote jitahidi kuwa neutral unapochambua mambo ili uupate ukweli sahihi
Click to expand...
Siku zote kila mtu anatazama hoja kwa kutumia ''upande wake''. Huwezi kutazama hoja kutumia akili za wengine na kama unafanya hivyo basi ujue wewe ni kilaza. Mimi natazama hoja kwa kutumia experince na elimu yangu. Kuwa neutral ndiyo huku sasa i.e hutumii mitazamo ya wengine.
 
Mayor Quimby said:
Learn the heirachy of laws, first; before you write such nonsense (sorry for my offensive language, I kind do that; when I am tired).

Ciao
Click to expand...
Dear, I am not offended by your comment that I wrote nonsense. What seems like nonsense can sometimes just depend on one’s perspective or understanding!
 
Retired said:
kwahiyo waandishi wote , dunia nzima wanakosea wanaposema ingredients? Very strange!

You prove what? naanza kuchoka !
Click to expand...
Leta mfano wa article moja tu uliyotumia neno ingredients, kwenye kuelezea legal matter.

With reference hata ya website, hakuna matumizi ya neno ingredient kwenye legal vocabulary.

Ingredients (recipe), mainly in cooking; that’s not a legal terminology.
 
Mayor Quimby said:
Leta mfano wa article moja tu uliyotumia neno ingredients, kwenye kuelezea legal matter.

With reference hata ya website, hakuna matumizi ya neno ingredient kwenye legal vocabulary.

Ingredients (recipe), mainly in cooking; that’s not a legal terminology.
Click to expand...
usianze kunipa mashaka...........,,hakuna nini? Legal vocabulary? ingredients? kwaheri
 
Mayor Quimby said:

Soma ‘section VII’ ya penal code, treason imefafamuliwa kwa kina in article 39. Au kwenye katiba na ‘Treason Act 1970’ utapata maelezo zaidi.

Hizo ulizoweka ni ‘actus and mens rea’ (burden of proof) za treason.

An act, has various definitions from the law, which include; execution of the intention or public incitement or planning to commit.

Aina maana natetea serikali kuendelea na hiyo kesi ya kijinga (given the gravity of punishment).

Nonetheless you don’t have to collaborate with any to commit a treason offence.
Click to expand...
So far so good!all boil to one important conclusion: If you exclude pointing a gun to a president, the rest need collaboration of more than ONE INDIVIDUAL. Naomba maoni yako tuifunze kitu hapa seems unayajua haya mambo
 
Mayor Quimby said:
Leta mfano wa article moja tu uliyotumia neno ingredients, kwenye kuelezea legal matter.

With reference hata ya website, hakuna matumizi ya neno ingredient kwenye legal vocabulary.

Ingredients (recipe), mainly in cooking; that’s not a legal terminology.
Click to expand...
Kwa hiyo Wewe ni Londoner!
 
Notorious_Marcc said:
Kisheria, treason siyo kauli au criticism, bali ni kitendo cha wazi kinachoathiri sovereignty ya nchi. Unless Lissu committed a specific and proven act against the state , not just speaking against the government , basi it’s legally weak to label his actions as treasonous.
Click to expand...

kutoka kwenye mtandao

In legal terms, uasi (Swahili for rebellion or revolt) does not automatically equate to uhaini (treason), though they are closely related penal offenses concerning state security.

Differences Under the Law

    • Uasi (Rebellion / Revolt): Refers to open, organized, or forceful resistance against authority, laws, or established procedures by a group or individuals, which may involve civil disobedience or public disruption without necessarily aiming to overthrow the sovereign government.
    • Uhaini (Treason): Is a specific, gravest-tier crime involving a direct breach of allegiance to the state—such as actively conspiring to overthrow the lawfully constituted government, levying war against the republic, or aiding foreign enemies.

Key Distinctions
    • Scope: Rebellion is a broader category of resistance against rules or authorities, whereas treason has strict, narrow legal elements centered on national betrayal and overthrow. [1]
    • Overlap: An extreme or armed rebellion aimed at violently unseating the government can cross the threshold into treason, but peaceful or localized acts of defiance, public dissent, or political protest classified as rebellion/incitement do not legally equal high treason.
 
Nilishangaa mahakama ilipokataa pingamizi la Lissu kwamba information haioneshi kosa la uhaini, mahakama ikasema hayo yatajulikana baada ya ushahidi wa Jamhuri.
 
technically said:
Uhaini ni tendo sio maneno

Hawa mawakili wa serikali waliokubali kutetea huu ujinga nao ni wajinga tu!!

Wakili makini hasingechukua hii kesi ya kijinga!!
Click to expand...
Watumishi wa serikali ni kikundi Cha watu wasiojielewa. Embu fikiria mtu na akili yake anakesha kwenye mwenge? Kisa anamuogopa afisa utumishi ambaye ana elimu kama yy au hata kumzidi?
Fikiria mtu anaingia na kura fake zilizopigwa na kuzisokomeza kwenye masanduku Ili ccm ishinde baada ya uchaguzi analalamika mshahara mdogo
Ndo mana wale wa cwt acha yawakute pumbavuu
 
Notorious_Marcc said:
Kisheria, treason siyo kauli au criticism, bali ni kitendo cha wazi kinachoathiri sovereignty ya nchi. Unless Lissu committed a specific and proven act against the state , not just speaking against the government , basi it’s legally weak to label his actions as treasonous.
Click to expand...
Unadhani hawajui? Wanajua vizuri ila wanatumwa kufanya upumbavu. They are not stupid
 
Retired said:
haya ndiyo mambo ya kujadiliwa na wasomi.

Lisu katenda lipi kati ya haya

IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF TANZANIA AT ZANZIBAR

(CORAM: KISANGA J.A, RAMADHANI , J.A, And LUGAKINGIRA, J.A.)

CRIMINAL APPLICATION NO 9 OF 2000

Between.

S. M. Z. ................. ........................................................APPLICANT

A n d

MACHANO KHAMIS ALI &17 OTHERS..........................REPONDENTS

(Application for Revision from the Ruling of the

High Court of Zanzibar at Zanzibar)

( Tumaka Deputy CJ)

dated the 3rd day of April, 2000

in

Session Case No. 7 of 1999

ORDER OF THE COURT​

.........................From the cited authorities, therefore, the following four matters have to be proved in an

Indictment for treason:

1. An act has been committed

2.The act is treasonable

3. The act is against a sovereign or a state; and lastly

4. The act was done by a person who owes allegiance to the sovereign or the state.


View attachment 3395119
Court of appeal of Tanzania
Click to expand...
Kama Ndunguru angelitumia test as elucidated in this case, then Lisu has no case to answer.
 
Mayor Quimby said:

Soma ‘section VII’ ya penal code, treason imefafamuliwa kwa kina in article 39. Au kwenye katiba na ‘Treason Act 1970’ utapata maelezo zaidi.

Hizo ulizoweka ni ‘actus and mens rea’ (burden of proof) za treason.

An act, has various definitions from the law, which include; execution of the intention or public incitement or planning to commit.

Aina maana natetea serikali kuendelea na hiyo kesi ya kijinga (given the gravity of punishment).

Nonetheless you don’t have to collaborate with any to commit a treason offence.
Click to expand...

Nimejaribu kuona tena andiko lako na kulifanyia search kidogo. Hiyo niy nliyopata kutoka AI

your writing above: An act, has various definitions from the law, which include; execution of the intention or public incitement or planning to commit.

In legal terms, an "act" in the context of treason refers to an overt, physical deed—such as executing an intention, planning, or public incitement—that openly manifests a treasonous design against the state. [1, 2]

Core Legal Meanings of an "Act" in Treason
    • Overt Act: A physical, open deed or action done to further the crime, rather than a hidden thought or mere intent. [1, 2]
    • Execution of Intention: Carrying out a pre-arranged plan or putting a treasonous scheme into motion. [1]
    • Planning and Preparation: Conspiring, devising, or taking preparatory steps (like gathering arms) to levy war or overthrow the government. [1, 2]
    • Public Incitement: Urging, instigating, or declaring intentions publicly to provoke an armed invasion or rebellion against state authority
    SASA LISU KATENDA LIPI KATI YA HAYO
    naomba maoni yako kama darasa kidog tuchangmshe ubongo kidogo
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Our Community

Coming Soon

Regional Communities

Coming Soon
Back
Top Bottom
Menu
Forums
New posts
Log in
Register