Investors: Nairobi slowly taking Johannesburg's place as Sub Saharan Africa's first choice for HQs

Investors: Nairobi slowly taking Johannesburg's place as Sub Saharan Africa's first choice for HQs

Tobaaa said:
Do you even know what 92 percent stands for brother ... its above an average meaning its something that is observable .... huwezi kuniambia mji uliopo na 92% slum ukawa una slums ndogondogo wakati areas zilizopo poa ni 8 percent ..yaani how on earth can 8 % dissolve 92% hadi isiwe observable ?????.....
How is that even possible , hebu niambie zaidi
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I told Hoshea above that I do not think that 92% of Dar really comprise of slums. That for sure cannot be correct, my Kenyan brother there said that just to poke fun in retaliation for being insulted by Hoshea.

And my response to u was meant to explain that just bcos Nairobi has Kibera, which bears the unenviable reputation for being the largest slum in Africa does not infer that much of Nairobi is a slum, or that Nairobi comprises of Kibera. That is what u were saying, right?
Nairobi is about 700km², Kibera is only 2.5km².

Some cities have several small, unplanned settlements so close to each other that if were combined into a single settlement unit, would make one very humongous slum several times Kibera.

I mentioned Kampala for example. What if the three adjacent slums of Katwe, Kibuli and Nsambya, were combined to form a single residential area, with one name? Wont it be a one big slum, much larger than Kibera?

What if the place that is Kibera was divided into just 2 different residential units with one retainining that name Kibera while the other given some other name, and it is considered distinct from that other slum called Kibera, would Kibera still be regarded as the largest slum Africa?

See, it is just semantics.
 
Iconoclastes said:
True, slums cover only 6% of Nairobi total area.

Nairobi – The Informal City Dialogues

Unaeza ata confirm kwa google maps


Satellite map of Nairobi
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As usual, carefully citing publications that consoles you..
Wakenya ni Viumbe Fulani wa hovyo sana
Kibera covers 6% of total Nairobi Area,
But is a home of 60% Nairobians.(2.5m)

Kindly find your Nairobi's slum coverage

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game over said:
As usual, carefully citing publications that consoles you..
Wakenya ni Viumbe Fulani wa hovyo sana
Kibera covers 6% of total Nairobi Area,
But is a home of 60% Nairobians.(2.5m)

Kindly find your Nairobi's slum coverage

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Those are your statistics.. If kibera had 2.5 m residents ...why does it have less than 150000 registered voters...ujinga hauna dawa
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Iconoclastes said:
I told Hoshea above that I do not think that 92% of Dar really comprise of slums. That for sure cannot be correct, my Kenyan brother there said that just to poke fun in retaliation for being insulted by Hoshea.

And my response to u was meant to explain that just bcos Nairobi has Kibera, which bears the unenviable reputation for being the largest slum in Africa does not infer that much of Nairobi is a slum, or that Nairobi comprises of Kibera. That is what u were saying, right?
Nairobi is about 700km², Kibera is only 2.5km².

Some cities have several small, unplanned settlements so close to each other that if were combined into a single settlement unit, would make one very humongous slum several times Kibera.

I mentioned Kampala for example. What if the three adjacent slums of Katwe, Kibuli and Nsambya, were combined to form a single residential area, with one name? Wont it be a one big slum, much larger than Kibera?

What if the place that is Kibera was divided into just 2 different residential units with one retainining that name Kibera while the other given some other name, and it is considered distinct from that other slum called Kibera, would Kibera still be regarded as the largest slum Africa?

See, it is just semantics.
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Nashukuru kwa kunielewa na pia nimekuelewa vizuri tu lakini kitu ninachokiona huwezi kuifananisha Kibera na unplanned settlements za kawaida ambazo zipo Tanzania yaani hapa ni katika quality of life e.g mbagala ambayo watu huiponda kwamba ni slum ina Nyumba nyingi tu za middle income earners na facilities karibu ZOTE zipo......

Nikiziangalia picha na kuzisoma story za kibera kwa kweli zinahuzunisha sana kwa sababu hakuna facilities zozote zile ila nilisikia years back kuwa kuna upgrading inafanyika (hii ilinifariji sana coz ukiacha Utanzania na Ukenya ,we are all Africans nd humans )

Kilichonisikitisha ni kuwa ilidhaniwa watu wa kibera wangepangisha vyumba hivyo ILI wapate rent instead of staying safely ..how is that bro
 
Tobaaa said:
Nashukuru kwa kunielewa na pia nimekuelewa vizuri tu lakini kitu ninachokiona huwezi kuifananisha Kibera na unplanned settlements za kawaida ambazo zipo Tanzania yaani hapa ni katika quality of life e.g mbagala ambayo watu huiponda kwamba ni slum ina Nyumba nyingi tu za middle income earners na facilities karibu ZOTE zipo......

Nikiziangalia picha na kuzisoma story za kibera kwa kweli zinahuzunisha sana kwa sababu hakuna facilities zozote zile ila nilisikia years back kuwa kuna upgrading inafanyika (hii ilinifariji sana coz ukiacha Utanzania na Ukenya ,we are all Africans nd humans )

Kilichonisikitisha ni kuwa ilidhaniwa watu wa kibera wangepangisha vyumba hivyo ILI wapate rent instead of staying safely ..how is that bro
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The structures are bad, but kusema hakuna facilities zozote sio kweli. There are lots of facilities such as hospitals, schools, clean water depots, toilets, social halls, street lightings to enhance security etc. But the pics u see in the media or hear are the things they want u to see, in order to reinforce the notion that this place is hell on earth. But the problems in Kibera are typical of any slum anywhere in the world.
The govt, esp the current govt has really tried to spruce up the place.

Mbagala sipajui, kwa hivo I cannot draw any comparisons, lakini vile nimesema hapo juu, shida zilizopo Kibera are not different from those in the other slums elsewhere in Africa. Mbagala may not be as bad as Kibera, I may sat so is Kangemi slum.

Sijaelewa hilo swali lako la mwisho, lakini Kibera kunaendelea huo mpango wa kujenga makazi mapya na kuwapa wakaazi, lakini kuna changamoto kadhaa ambazo zinaalow down the process.

Mifano:

a) baadhi ya watu wa Kibera wanashuku huo ni mpango wa kuwatoa kiujanja kutoka eneo hilo kwa kujenga haya makao na kudai eti ni yao, hata kuwapa. Lakini polepole rent zitapandishwa, na wakishindwa kulipa warafurushwa na hizo nyumba kupewa wenye uwezo wa kifedha.

b) siasa:- kuna pande mbili zinataka kudai credit for the work done.

c) the Nubian question. Hiyo ardhi ya Kibera inamilikiwa kihalali na wananubi kutoka Sudan walioletwa Kenya miaka ya 1920 na 30 kama mamluki wa serikali ya kikoloni, wakapewa ardhi hiyo kama zawadi, na ni ardhi pekee jammii hii inamiliki Kenya, na wana hofu sana kuipoteza. Hawa ndio wamiliki wa nyingi ya vibanda hivyo, na wanaogopa kupoteza biashara hiyo, hivyo kujaribu kuhujumu shuguli hiyo.

d) je, wakazi hawa maskini wataweza kweli kumudu gharama ya nyumba hizo?
 
Wadanganyika ni majibwa tu ya Waarabu... bora useme Kibra watabweka hadi milele......... sikia- Kibera!
 
Iam impressed with powerful skyscrapers under construction in Nairobi! Johannesburg twaiweka kwenye system ya kutupwa!
Nairobi hoyeee!!
 
Sema nairobae beiby. Acha iyo iwe completed kwanza hiyo yenu itaingiamo times 3
 
Tobaaa said:
Kama 92 ya dar ( 92 ya dar ni zaidi ya Nairobi nzima) ni slum bhasi dar ingekuwa na largest slum in the world ... Sasa mbona dar haina Hiyo fame kuliko Nairobi ????...

Can you explain more bout this
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The whole of Dar, ukitoa CBD, ni slum. Very disorganized city.
 
Hoshea said:
Hi hii, aibu hadi unapika facts, worldly fact is that Nairobi has the largest slums in Africa and second largest in the world sijui 3rd, but number one in Africa, jina la slum kubwa ilochangia nairobi kushika nambari one ni kibera, na nasikia kuna zingine zinaifukuzia kibera, therefore kibera has to watch out and improve.
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Kuwa mwalimu ni kazi sana. Huku tumeongea sana kuhusu tofauti iliyopo kati ya UNPLANNED SETTLEMENTS NA SLUMS.

TANZANIA KUNA UNPLANNED SETTLEMENTS NA SI SLUMS.
Ni kuwa miji haijapangwa lkn kuna nyumba au investment za mpaka US $ 500'000. Mfano Makongo juu kina Ben wana posh houses lkn ni unplanned settlement.
 
Iconoclastes said:
The structures are bad, but kusema hakuna facilities zozote sio kweli. There are lots of facilities such as hospitals, schools, clean water depots, toilets, social halls, street lightings to enhance security etc. But the pics u see in the media or hear are the things they want u to see, in order to reinforce the notion that this place is hell on earth. But the problems in Kibera are typical of any slum anywhere in the world.
The govt, esp the current govt has really tried to spruce up the place.

Mbagala sipajui, kwa hivo I cannot draw any comparisons, lakini vile nimesema hapo juu, shida zilizopo Kibera are not different from those in the other slums elsewhere in Africa. Mbagala may not be as bad as Kibera, I may sat so is Kangemi slum.

Sijaelewa hilo swali lako la mwisho, lakini Kibera kunaendelea huo mpango wa kujenga makazi mapya na kuwapa wakaazi, lakini kuna changamoto kadhaa ambazo zinaalow down the process.

Mifano:

a) baadhi ya watu wa Kibera wanashuku huo ni mpango wa kuwatoa kiujanja kutoka eneo hilo kwa kujenga haya makao na kudai eti ni yao, hata kuwapa. Lakini polepole rent zitapandishwa, na wakishindwa kulipa warafurushwa na hizo nyumba kupewa wenye uwezo wa kifedha.

b) siasa:- kuna pande mbili zinataka kudai credit for the work done.

c) the Nubian question. Hiyo ardhi ya Kibera inamilikiwa kihalali na wananubi kutoka Sudan walioletwa Kenya miaka ya 1920 na 30 kama mamluki wa serikali ya kikoloni, wakapewa ardhi hiyo kama zawadi, na ni ardhi pekee jammii hii inamiliki Kenya, na wana hofu sana kuipoteza. Hawa ndio wamiliki wa nyingi ya vibanda hivyo, na wanaogopa kupoteza biashara hiyo, hivyo kujaribu kuhujumu shuguli hiyo.

d) je, wakazi hawa maskini wataweza kweli kumudu gharama ya nyumba hizo?
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How bad is bad depends on z perception of a person involved ... kwangu mimi i always search for truth ili nisiwe bias...
slums za Kenya nimeanza kuzisoma katika vitabu vya Ngugi waThion'go hasaa THIS TIME TOMORROW ambayo alikuwa akionesha maisha ya average citizens wanaoishi katika slums...

Na kwangu kibera is a nightmare coz hata ukiziangalia nyumba hizo ni za mabanda ya bati meaning watu hawana uwezo hata wa kuafford cement kwa ujenzi ....
Serikali yenu itilie mkazo suala hili
 
Nairobae Hoyeee! Soon Johannesburg is going to be put aside by our aggressive developments!
 
Luggy jameni nenda shule kaka....usije kujiaibisha hapa...kwanza, hii article imeandikwa na mwandishi wa CNN na sio mleta mada...pili, nadhani ametaja milima miwili...Kilimanjaro and Kenya...hehehehe! alafu kuhusu Kilimanjaro inahusiana vipi na skyscraper ya Nairobi jibu lako ni hili....Kilimanjaro is in East Africa...the skyscraper will be in East Africa as well....ndio maana akasema "the mountains will soon be sharing a skyline with a man-made behemoth" pili, Kilimanjaro ndio the highest point in Africa, this skyscraper will also be the highest manmade point in Africa as well...do you see the relation? hehe jamaa unachekesha kweli...hawa waandisi wa CNN sio wa kubahatisha...ameandkika kama insha vile...unaanza na kusisimua watakao soma habari na mambo ya Kilimanjaro na Mt. Kenya kisha unaenda moja kwa moja kwa habari yenyewe...
 
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