Is non theism mindless?

Is non theism mindless?

Uso wa nyoka said:
Oh! I forgot, its sabbath huh! Ishmael is praying
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Obviously, you can't prove your diabolical non theist belief. You can't even provide arguments or evidence to justify your belief. Diabolical non theism is mindless.

Come back when you can be honest about your mindless faith.
 
Ishmael said:
Obviously, you can't prove your diabolical non theist belief. You can't even provide arguments or evidence to justify your belief. Diabolical non theism is mindless.

Come back when you can be honest about your mindless faith.
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Can you now provide evidence as proof to your god's existence?
 
Uso wa nyoka said:
Can you now provide evidence as proof to your god's existence?
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This repetitive nonsense is getting old.

Obviously we both know you are lying. Your lies are even more naked and egregious as the written record reveals I have answered you with a full and valid refutation.

1) The arguments are evidences for God.

2) I regularly offer massive evidence to justify Theistic belief (see below). You cannot refute my evidence nor can you offer any justification for your non theistic belief.

Here is my evidence for God's likely existence.
Where is your evidence God does not exist?

Contingency – Why does something exist rather than nothing? Something cannot come from nothing, so Something must self-exist. Self-existence is necessary. Universe began. Universe is not self-existent. Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it's existence. God does not – no beginning.

Cosmological – Absolute beginning requires a cause. Cause of Physical Universe cannot be Physical. Must be non-physical, space-less, timeless and willful to cause Physical Universe from Physical Nothingness.

Design: specified complexity, specifically integrated interdependencies for third purposes, irreducible complexity. No plausible Naturalistic mechanisms or explanations actually exist.

Precision FINELY TUNED constants and quantities present in initial conditions of the Universe to within infinitesimally narrow ranges to permit life. Universe is precision balanced on razor's edge.

Ontological argument – God is a metaphysically necessary Being. Since God's attributes are metaphysically possible, and all metaphysical possibilities are also actual, God must be actual.

Intelligence in Nature: Intelligence, order and reason and information all from Nothingness?
Spiritual instinct of man: Evolved to connect with something not actual?

Free-will: Chemical causation is not free-will. Agency requires a soul. Chemicals have no moral duties
Moral Truth / Apprehension of Objective moral truth. Is rape really wrong or just an illusion? Is rape just a natural chemical byproduct caused by electrochemical activity (non theism) – or an act of will.

Massive Historical evidences of witnessed Miracles, visions, fulfilled prophecies,
Personal experiences: Ubiquitous NDE's, supernatural phenomena
Christ's resurrection witnessed by hundreds.

Absolute failure of Naturalism to explain a Finely tuned Universe, Finite Universe, Sentience, Rational truth and natural order, Moral Law (morality), intuition, intentionality, intelligence, purpose, free-will…

You have no answers, no evidences, no refutation of mine. You have a weird psychological bias against God and a blind belief in No God that you cannot justify
 
Uso wa nyoka said:
Thats a bogus question to ask Me, I think its best if you ask spinozists, I believe they'll be in a better position to answer you!
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Common sense won't tell you that stealing money, rape, robbery or assault is wrong - if you can get away with it.
 
Ishmael;Kiongozi, unajua hawa jamaa wapo hapa kubishana tena bila ya ushahidhi, na wanaishi hapa JF maana hawana kazi, ona yule Kiranga, yeye yupo hapa 24 hours a day, what a shame, nevertheless, I pray to my God everyday and not once a day.

That's a point brother,.we feel the presence of God because we commune with him. We don't just pray but we commune with our God, atheists keep on quoting the Bible wrongly and end up being lost. The Bible is not only about interpretation but rather application that's why it is called the Book of interpretation. If the knowing God was all about reading the Bible then the Devil himself would have been the first,.So what matters is how far your life reflects what is Godly.
 
MALCOM LUMUMBA said:
Ishmael;Kiongozi, unajua hawa jamaa wapo hapa kubishana tena bila ya ushahidhi, na wanaishi hapa JF maana hawana kazi, ona yule Kiranga, yeye yupo hapa 24 hours a day, what a shame, nevertheless, I pray to my God everyday and not once a day.

That's a point brother,.we feel the presence of God because we commune with him. We don't just pray but we commune with our God, atheists keep on quoting the Bible wrongly and end up being lost. The Bible is not only about interpretation but rather application that's why it is called the Book of interpretation. If the knowing God was all about reading the Bible then the Devil himself would have been the first,.So what matters is how far your life reflects what is Godly.
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If the Bible is the book of interpretation, then those who can't interpret it due to lack of knowledge, IQ, or resource aren't sinners.
 
Ishmael said:
This repetitive nonsense is getting old.

Obviously we both know you are lying. Your lies are even more naked and egregious as the written record reveals I have answered you with a full and valid refutation.

1) The arguments are evidences for God.

2) I regularly offer massive evidence to justify Theistic belief (see below). You cannot refute my evidence nor can you offer any justification for your non theistic belief.

Here is my evidence for God's likely existence.
Where is your evidence God does not exist?

Contingency – Why does something exist rather than nothing? Something cannot come from nothing, so Something must self-exist. Self-existence is necessary. Universe began. Universe is not self-existent. Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it's existence. God does not – no beginning.

Cosmological – Absolute beginning requires a cause. Cause of Physical Universe cannot be Physical. Must be non-physical, space-less, timeless and willful to cause Physical Universe from Physical Nothingness.

Design: specified complexity, specifically integrated interdependencies for third purposes, irreducible complexity. No plausible Naturalistic mechanisms or explanations actually exist.

Precision FINELY TUNED constants and quantities present in initial conditions of the Universe to within infinitesimally narrow ranges to permit life. Universe is precision balanced on razor's edge.

Ontological argument – God is a metaphysically necessary Being. Since God's attributes are metaphysically possible, and all metaphysical possibilities are also actual, God must be actual.

Intelligence in Nature: Intelligence, order and reason and information all from Nothingness?
Spiritual instinct of man: Evolved to connect with something not actual?

Free-will: Chemical causation is not free-will. Agency requires a soul. Chemicals have no moral duties
Moral Truth / Apprehension of Objective moral truth. Is rape really wrong or just an illusion? Is rape just a natural chemical byproduct caused by electrochemical activity (non theism) – or an act of will.

Massive Historical evidences of witnessed Miracles, visions, fulfilled prophecies,
Personal experiences: Ubiquitous NDE's, supernatural phenomena
Christ's resurrection witnessed by hundreds.

Absolute failure of Naturalism to explain a Finely tuned Universe, Finite Universe, Sentience, Rational truth and natural order, Moral Law (morality), intuition, intentionality, intelligence, purpose, free-will…

You have no answers, no evidences, no refutation of mine. You have a weird psychological bias against God and a blind belief in No God that you cannot justify
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Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
This repetitive nonsense is getting old.

Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
What repetitive nonsense are you talking about? Shouldn`t I express my reservations over the existence of the god you claim exists?

Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Obviously we both know you are lying. Your lies are even more naked and egregious as the written record reveals I have answered you with a full and valid refutation.

Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
I have not lied anywhere, I simply ignore your answers because you bring them each time I ask as evidence while we both know they do not link in any way to the existence of your god.

Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
1) The arguments are evidences for God.

Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
I have not seen any substantial evidence to prove your god does exist.

Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
2) I regularly offer massive evidence to justify Theistic belief (see below). You cannot refute my evidence nor can you offer any justification for your non theistic belief.

Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
You have never offered any evidence so far, what I always see is just bogus ---- to support your narrow mind. I am going to show you how simple minded you are and how you always fail to provide evidence as you always claim.



Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Here is my evidence for God's likely existence.
Where is your evidence God does not exist?

Contingency – Why does something exist rather than nothing? Something cannot come from nothing, so Something must self-exist. Self-existence is necessary. Universe began. Universe is not self-existent. Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it's existence. God does not – no beginning.
Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
If something can not exist without cause, how does that prove that your god was the cause? If something requires a causally antecedent agency to explain its existence, how does this explain the existence of god and what proof indicates that he has no beginning? I don`t see anything connecting all this bullshit to him, its just some fancy language with no substance. It neither explains your god nor provides any remote concept about your god.

Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Cosmological – Absolute beginning requires a cause. Cause of Physical Universe cannot be Physical. Must be non-physical, space-less, timeless and willful to cause Physical Universe from Physical Nothingness.

Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
Again, I do not see anything here which links to the god you claim exists! What makes you say the cause of the universe can not be physical, spaceless, timeless and willful to cause physical universe from physical nothingness? Where did you get that? This is simply bullshit, Do you know that sometimes a subnuclear particle can explode out of nowhere in certain high energy processes?

Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Design: specified complexity, specifically integrated interdependencies for third purposes, irreducible complexity. No plausible Naturalistic mechanisms or explanations actually exist.
Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
Now this is ----, what tells me that god does exist? Can you point it out for Me please? Nothing here explains that god did that.
Food Chains, earth energy balance, atom balance, atomic design, balanced brain, rational thinking, intuitive processing logic, balanced sense, extreme cultures on earth western world eastern world.
All these are a result of evolution and adaptation. Now tell me how they relate to your god.

Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Precision FINELY TUNED constants and quantities present in initial conditions of the Universe to within infinitesimally narrow ranges to permit life. Universe is precision balanced on razor's edge.
Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
Its true that its balanced but how does your god come into the picture? Write something which links to him and not imagination just because you don't have proof.

Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Ontological argument – God is a metaphysically necessary Being. Since God's attributes are metaphysically possible, and all metaphysical possibilities are also actual, God must be actual.
Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
What makes god a possibility? Take this ---- somewhere else and bring me proof.
Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Intelligence in Nature: Intelligence, order and reason and information all from Nothingness?
Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
Again ----!Humans are capable of all given the right conditions or force and that is not god.
Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Spiritual instinct of man: Evolved to connect with something not actual?
Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
So what? How does it show that god does exist?

Free-will: Chemical causation is not free-will. Agency requires a soul. Chemicals have no moral duties

Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
So how does it show Me that god does exist? Whats wrong with you?

Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Moral Truth / Apprehension of Objective moral truth. Is rape really wrong or just an illusion? Is rape just a natural chemical by product caused by electrochemical activity (non theism) – or an act of will.
Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
Are we still talking about proof of your god`s existence?
Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Massive Historical evidences of witnessed Miracles, vision, fulfilled prophecies, Personal experiences: Ubiquitous NDE's, supernatural phenomena Christ's resurrection witnessed by hundreds.
Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
How does all this connect to your god?
Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Absolute failure of Naturalism to explain a Finely tuned Universe, Finite Universe, Sentience, Rational truth and natural order, Moral Law (morality), intuition, intentionality, intelligence, purpose, free-will…
You have not answered anything. What I see is just bullshit you have been made to believe without asking why or how.
Bring Me evidence.


 
Mzuvendi said:
If the Bible is the book of interpretation, then those who can't interpret it due to lack of knowledge, IQ, or resource aren't sinners.
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Not having the knowledge has nothing to do with sin.
 
MALCOM LUMUMBA said:
Ishmael;Kiongozi, unajua hawa jamaa wapo hapa kubishana tena bila ya ushahidhi, na wanaishi hapa JF maana hawana kazi, ona yule Kiranga, yeye yupo hapa 24 hours a day, what a shame, nevertheless, I pray to my God everyday and not once a day.

That's a point brother,.we feel the presence of God because we commune with him. We don't just pray but we commune with our God, atheists keep on quoting the Bible wrongly and end up being lost. The Bible is not only about interpretation but rather application that's why it is called the Book of interpretation. If the knowing God was all about reading the Bible then the Devil himself would have been the first,.So what matters is how far your life reflects what is Godly.
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Amen and amen
 
Uso wa nyoka said:
Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
This repetitive nonsense is getting old.

Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
What repetitive nonsense are you talking about? Shouldn`t I express my reservations over the existence of the god you claim exists?

Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Obviously we both know you are lying. Your lies are even more naked and egregious as the written record reveals I have answered you with a full and valid refutation.

Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
I have not lied anywhere, I simply ignore your answers because you bring them each time I ask as evidence while we both know they do not link in any way to the existence of your god.

Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
1) The arguments are evidences for God.

Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
I have not seen any substantial evidence to prove your god does exist.

Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
2) I regularly offer massive evidence to justify Theistic belief (see below). You cannot refute my evidence nor can you offer any justification for your non theistic belief.

Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
You have never offered any evidence so far, what I always see is just bogus ---- to support your narrow mind. I am going to show you how simple minded you are and how you always fail to provide evidence as you always claim.



Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Here is my evidence for God's likely existence.
Where is your evidence God does not exist?

Contingency – Why does something exist rather than nothing? Something cannot come from nothing, so Something must self-exist. Self-existence is necessary. Universe began. Universe is not self-existent. Universe requires a causally antecedent agency to explain it’s existence. God does not – no beginning.
Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
If something can not exist without cause, how does that prove that your god was the cause? If something requires a causally antecedent agency to explain its existence, how does this explain the existence of god and what proof indicates that he has no beginning? I don`t see anything connecting all this bullshit to him, its just some fancy language with no substance. It neither explains your god nor provides any remote concept about your god.

Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Cosmological – Absolute beginning requires a cause. Cause of Physical Universe cannot be Physical. Must be non-physical, space-less, timeless and willful to cause Physical Universe from Physical Nothingness.

Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
Again, I do not see anything here which links to the god you claim exists! What makes you say the cause of the universe can not be physical, spaceless, timeless and willful to cause physical universe from physical nothingness? Where did you get that? This is simply bullshit, Do you know that sometimes a subnuclear particle can explode out of nowhere in certain high energy processes?

Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Design: specified complexity, specifically integrated interdependencies for third purposes, irreducible complexity. No plausible Naturalistic mechanisms or explanations actually exist.
Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
Now this is ----, what tells me that god does exist? Can you point it out for Me please? Nothing here explains that god did that.
Food Chains, earth energy balance, atom balance, atomic design, balanced brain, rational thinking, intuitive processing logic, balanced sense, extreme cultures on earth western world eastern world.
All these are a result of evolution and adaptation. Now tell me how they relate to your god.

Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Precision FINELY TUNED constants and quantities present in initial conditions of the Universe to within infinitesimally narrow ranges to permit life. Universe is precision balanced on razor’s edge.
Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
Its true that its balanced but how does your god come into the picture? Write something which links to him and not imagination just because you don’t have proof.

Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Ontological argument – God is a metaphysically necessary Being. Since God’s attributes are metaphysically possible, and all metaphysical possibilities are also actual, God must be actual.
Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
What makes god a possibility? Take this ---- somewhere else and bring me proof.
Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Intelligence in Nature: Intelligence, order and reason and information all from Nothingness?
Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
Again ----!Humans are capable of all given the right conditions or force and that is not god.
Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Spiritual instinct of man: Evolved to connect with something not actual?
Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
So what? How does it show that god does exist?

Free-will: Chemical causation is not free-will. Agency requires a soul. Chemicals have no moral duties

Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
So how does it show Me that god does exist? Whats wrong with you?

Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Moral Truth / Apprehension of Objective moral truth. Is rape really wrong or just an illusion? Is rape just a natural chemical by product caused by electrochemical activity (non theism) – or an act of will.
Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
Are we still talking about proof of your god`s existence?
Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Massive Historical evidences of witnessed Miracles, vision, fulfilled prophecies, Personal experiences: Ubiquitous NDE’s, supernatural phenomena Christ’s resurrection witnessed by hundreds.
Uso wa nyoka (Answer)
How does all this connect to your god?
Idiot/Ishmael (Quote)
Absolute failure of Naturalism to explain a Finely tuned Universe, Finite Universe, Sentience, Rational truth and natural order, Moral Law (morality), intuition, intentionality, intelligence, purpose, free-will…
You have not answered anything. What I see is just bullshit you have been made to believe without asking why or how.
Bring Me evidence.
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wewe utakuwa Msukule sio binadam. unasema gravitation force ipo kwa kurejea effect zake.
ukionyeshwa Mungu kwa jinsi ya matokeo ya kuwepo kwake akili yako inareject.
wewe sio binadam kamili utakuwa zombieee....
 
Nkwesa Makambo said:
wewe utakuwa Msukule sio binadam. unasema gravitation force ipo kwa kurejea effect zake.
ukionyeshwa Mungu kwa jinsi ya matokeo ya kuwepo kwake akili yako inareject.
wewe sio binadam kamili utakuwa zombieee....
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Zombie ana sifa zipi zinazohusiana na topic hii? Ungependa nikupe sifa yako pia?
 
Nkwesa Makambo said:
wewe utakuwa Msukule sio binadam. unasema gravitation force ipo kwa kurejea effect zake.
ukionyeshwa Mungu kwa jinsi ya matokeo ya kuwepo kwake akili yako inareject.
wewe sio binadam kamili utakuwa zombieee....
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He can't prove that there is Gravity, he can only give evidence. That is why I say, non theism in mindless.
 
Ishmael said:
The kid is mindless and has no ability to do so. Ni mfuata mkumbo na mkaririshwa tu.
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Idiot, provide evidence to convince Me that your god does exist and stop fooling around! What you presented doesn't show any linkage with your god, now if you have something more relevant bring it forth!
 
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