Is non theism mindless?

minuz said:
Halafu wenyewe kuongea ki english wanaona ndio wanajuua mapimbi
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Hapa kinatumika Kiswahili na Kiingereza, lugha zinazoeleweka na wengi wanaoshiriki humu, ulitaka tuongezee na Kingoni? Au Kichina?
Hukatazwi kutumia Lugha unayoifahamu vyema, mradi ieleweke na washiriki,kwa hiyo hukatazwi kutumia Kiswahili.
 

Maziku,Kinehe?

Shida yako nini hasa kwenye suala hili?

Karibu,nalelya mandoro ahe naha ....!!
 
Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
teh teh teh i never said there is no reason God exists, just there is no eternal explanation. Our bible inatuambia hapo mwanzo kulikua na "NENO", nahitaji kujua hiyo NENO imetoka wapi???
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Soma vizuri hapo uliposema "hapo mwanzo kulikuwa Neno"...Kama unaweza kureason utaelewa...
 
Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
teh teh teh haya bana umeshinda but i know evidence isnt that important to theists in general..
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Tatizo unakimbilia kukata tamaa, nimekuuliza definition yako ni ya "kidini" au ya"kisayansi" umeamua usijibu.
Umeambiwa au kukumbushwa habari ya "Fallacy of definitions" hujaeleza chochote
 

Kusema "mungu hayupo" ndipo unapojiwekea mipaka ya kufikiri .
Umepewa maelezo namna sayansi inavyodumaza uwezo wa binadamu kuyajua mazingira yake kwa kuweka mkazo kwenye vitu vichache vilivyomo ndani ya mfumo mkubwa ambao vitu vinategemeana
Sayansi imeamua kufunga ufahamu wa kujifunza vile ambavyo sio halisi vile ambavyo haviwezi tambulika kwa milango yetu ya fahamu kwa kujidanganya kwamba havipo.
Nawe umebambwa kwenye mtego huo umejiwekea mipaka ya kutafakari umependa kufisha Kabisa uwezo wa kibinadam kidadisi umesalia na kutumia kariri na kukariri vingine.
Kuna Elimu nje ya mada na ni muhimu kwako utoke kwenye box la quantum ufikiri na kutafakari zaidi ya hapo ukianza na kuhitafakari mwenyewe na ubinadamu wako.
 
Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
jaribu kunifafanulia, upeo wangu umefikia mwisho hapo
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Siongei kwa kuwa ni Mkristo ni ukweli ambao nawe ukijipa nafasi ya kutafakari utarudi hapa ushuhudie.
Jitoe kwenye box ulilojiweka la watu waliojifungia mlango wa kuhoji na kujihoji.
Soma vitabu vya Injili vyote; mtafakari Yesu Kristo then njoo na pumba zako tusemezane.
Hata MTU ambaye hajawahi yeye mwenyewe kujua uwepo wa Mungu akisoma injili kwa kutafakari namna Bwana Yesu alivyokuwa akifundisha kwa mamlaka na kusimamia Yale aliyokuwa akifundisha inaweza kumpa mwanga na kuamsha Ari ya kujiuliza na kujihoji kuhusu huyu Mungu wa Bwana Yesu Kristo.
Kwa ulivyo haiwezi kukusadia kwa kuwa umeshazima kitengo chako cha utafakari kwa kijidanganya na u Non Theist uliofisha reanonig capacity yako pasipo wewe kijitambua....
 
Science logic and reason rest on philosophy my mindless friend.

You cannot build upon anything that has no foundation in reason. The Christian scientists like Francis Bacon who invented Empiricism (the modern scientific method) did so on the basis that God was reliably rational and unchanging, so His order could be discerned by falsification.
 
Maziku Masunga Jr. said:
teh teh teh i never said there is no reason God exists, just there is no eternal explanation. Our bible inatuambia hapo mwanzo kulikua na "NENO", nahitaji kujua hiyo NENO imetoka wapi???
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I did explain to you. You cannot prove the Netherlands exist or that the external world is real with absolute 100% certainty. I can always offer some cockeyed basis to deny your assumptions and evidences.

For example you cannot verify the statement "only that which is verified can be true"

Religious truth is no more or less true than scientifically discerned truth. Scientific truth is easier to glean, but is limited to physical investigation. Our rational faculties don't stop with science. To stop with physical investigation and preclude all non-empirically verifiable truths is a mistake.

You know your family loves you, but you cannot prove it scientifically or empirically. You know artistic talent when you see it, but you cannot prove such things empirically. Empirical investigations are limited to those truths that lend themselves to the scientific process.
 
Anheuser said:
You said "something can not begin from nothing without a cause."

So let's repeat the question: What cause did God begin from?
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God is not "something". When you think about non theism is where the Nihilistic trouble immediately begins. But non theism is a mindless faith, inter-alia, ex nihilo nihilo fit (something cannot come from nothing).

If nothing ever existed, nothing would exist now.
Nothingness has no capacities or being.

At what point do you take responsibility for being proven wrong over and over? Never?
I understand. Non theists never do. Non theism is mindless.
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Mzuvendi said:
That's the quote from the Bible. The premise of this thread isn't whether I believe in God or not. It's whether non-theists are mindless or not.
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If a non theist quote the Bible as impeccable exhibit and simultaneously say there is NO GOD. Then said person is mindless.
 

You are dead wrong once again. If you would simply read and pay attention....

The law is that nothing can BEGIN to exist uncaused. Notice that word BEGIN ***BEGIN*** as in beginning.

Now repeat after me B-E-G-I-N. That's right ...Begin!

God did not BEGIN to exist. God never did not exist.
The Universe BEGAN. It requires an antecedent causal agency.

In fact, I've been clear that rational law ex nihilo nihilo fit demands exactly one thing MUST SELF-EXIST WITHOUT BEGINNING (Repeat: NO Beginning) as the prime cause of all things that begin to exist (finite).


Please pay attention!
 
Nkwesa Makambo said:
Is that the world view or your view ? Can you understand that; to a great existent what are called world problem are caused by science in reducing the broader picture of world into simple questions that have to be answered by the same world ?
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Sir;

You have to ask your friend Ishmael for that. He's the one who tries to postulate his idea by deduction. You blame science for the world's problems, but at the same time you want to use scientific reasoning to make a point. That's pathetic.

Nkwesa Makambo said:
To be honest; you argument could sound by debunking and showing him point by point how his logic does not hold water.
Please work on it
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My work isn't to present the argument. That's Ishmael's. And to be honest with you there's no argument to be debated or debunked point by point.

Whether you believe in intelligent design, evolution or other means of creation, humans are chemical machines, and our superiority in thinking or add-on spiritual features don't negate that fact. So Ishmael can't say If non theism is true, we are nothing but chemicals machines because these machines can have no morality and no free-willed choice.

From the Bible and Koran, I have proved that we are chemical machines and since beginning of our existence we have shown sense of morality and free will.

My suggestion is Ishmael should argue: If non theism is true, we are reduced to chemicals machines




 


Aren't you posting random answers? There's no relationship between what I have said and what you are trying to reply.
 
Ishmael said:
If a non theist quote the Bible as impeccable exhibit and simultaneously say there is NO GOD. Then said person is mindless.
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There no place in JF where I declare that I don't believe in God. The only thing I argue with you is I don't tolerate invalid and baseless arguments
 
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