Is non theism mindless?

[Uso wa nyoka]

Halafu wenyewe kuongea ki english wanaona ndio wanajuua mapimbi

Hapa kinatumika Kiswahili na Kiingereza, lugha zinazoeleweka na wengi wanaoshiriki humu, ulitaka tuongezee na Kingoni? Au Kichina?
Hukatazwi kutumia Lugha unayoifahamu vyema, mradi ieleweke na washiriki,kwa hiyo hukatazwi kutumia Kiswahili.

 

[Eiyer]

No you didnt, you just lay forth another baseless claim to support your initial claim of superiority. By claiming that "the argument for God is sound,thus believe in that argument is justified.Unbelieving in the sound argument would be an inferior position." Without even proving why it is and why is your argument is not considered in the first place..!!

Maziku,Kinehe?

Shida yako nini hasa kwenye suala hili?

Karibu,nalelya mandoro ahe naha ....!!

 

[Nkwesa Makambo]

teh teh teh i never said there is no reason God exists, just there is no eternal explanation. Our bible inatuambia hapo mwanzo kulikua na "NENO", nahitaji kujua hiyo NENO imetoka wapi???

Soma vizuri hapo uliposema "hapo mwanzo kulikuwa Neno"...Kama unaweza kureason utaelewa...

 

[Nkwesa Makambo]

teh teh teh haya bana umeshinda but i know evidence isnt that important to theists in general..

Tatizo unakimbilia kukata tamaa, nimekuuliza definition yako ni ya "kidini" au ya"kisayansi" umeamua usijibu.
Umeambiwa au kukumbushwa habari ya "Fallacy of definitions" hujaeleza chochote

 

[Nkwesa Makambo]

teh teh teh haya bana umeshinda but i know evidence isnt that important to theists in general..

...material evidence to be precise !

 

[Nkwesa Makambo]

well thank you, I guess. However, I did not argue from the double slit experiment alone. That would be absurd but I gave several quotations..

Waoh! you mean the dead "nyau" and alive at the same time...illusion

 

[Uso wa nyoka]

Maziku,Kinehe?

Shida yako nini hasa kwenye suala hili?

Karibu,nalelya mandoro ahe naha ....!!

Chu! Gashinaga mlibhinge ng'wenumu?

 

[Uso wa nyoka]

teh teh teh tulibhinge nkoi..

Mamihayo ga Jf madamu sana, galeninoja gete! Naleduma kuelelwa nibhole bhanu bhaleduma kuelelwa maswala ga ng'hana ambayo galiwazi gete!

 

[Nkwesa Makambo]

twende taratibu mdau..
unapofanya reducing to the absurd is a common argument tactic that is used to either distract or to demonstrate the absurdity of an argument.
Honestly, even from a theistic point of view, saying that the universe was created is nonsense. The universe isnt a thing, it's a descriptive umbrella term of everything. Even if the theists would like to believe, there was a point where nothing existed then God would still be in a universe. I dont think that is what you intend, I think you really mean that there was a singular cause that caused everything else. This breaks down at a quantum level when cause and effect dont really apply. Cause-and-effect are not only apparent on large scales. So it would seem that your opinion of time with respects to events is actually a product of your own misunderstanding when in reality everything in the universe at a quantum level is caused. Tunaamini MUNGU yupo kwa sababu imekua vigumu kuamini uwezo wa ufahamu wetu, tumejiwekea mipaka ya kufikiri..!!

Kusema "mungu hayupo" ndipo unapojiwekea mipaka ya kufikiri .
Umepewa maelezo namna sayansi inavyodumaza uwezo wa binadamu kuyajua mazingira yake kwa kuweka mkazo kwenye vitu vichache vilivyomo ndani ya mfumo mkubwa ambao vitu vinategemeana
Sayansi imeamua kufunga ufahamu wa kujifunza vile ambavyo sio halisi vile ambavyo haviwezi tambulika kwa milango yetu ya fahamu kwa kujidanganya kwamba havipo.
Nawe umebambwa kwenye mtego huo umejiwekea mipaka ya kutafakari umependa kufisha Kabisa uwezo wa kibinadam kidadisi umesalia na kutumia kariri na kukariri vingine.
Kuna Elimu nje ya mada na ni muhimu kwako utoke kwenye box la quantum ufikiri na kutafakari zaidi ya hapo ukianza na kuhitafakari mwenyewe na ubinadamu wako.

 

[Mzuvendi]

So, you do believe in God.

That's the quote from the Bible. The premise of this thread isn't whether I believe in God or not. It's whether non-theists are mindless or not.

 

[Nkwesa Makambo]

jaribu kunifafanulia, upeo wangu umefikia mwisho hapo

Siongei kwa kuwa ni Mkristo ni ukweli ambao nawe ukijipa nafasi ya kutafakari utarudi hapa ushuhudie.
Jitoe kwenye box ulilojiweka la watu waliojifungia mlango wa kuhoji na kujihoji.
Soma vitabu vya Injili vyote; mtafakari Yesu Kristo then njoo na pumba zako tusemezane.
Hata MTU ambaye hajawahi yeye mwenyewe kujua uwepo wa Mungu akisoma injili kwa kutafakari namna Bwana Yesu alivyokuwa akifundisha kwa mamlaka na kusimamia Yale aliyokuwa akifundisha inaweza kumpa mwanga na kuamsha Ari ya kujiuliza na kujihoji kuhusu huyu Mungu wa Bwana Yesu Kristo.
Kwa ulivyo haiwezi kukusadia kwa kuwa umeshazima kitengo chako cha utafakari kwa kijidanganya na u Non Theist uliofisha reanonig capacity yako pasipo wewe kijitambua....

 

[Mzuvendi]

What about part played by spirit ? Are complete human without the spirit ?

The finishing touch that completes you as human doesn't negate your existence as a chemical or biological machine.

 

[Ishmael]

No you didnt, you just lay forth another baseless claim to support your initial claim of superiority. By claiming that "the argument for God is sound,thus believe in that argument is justified.Unbelieving in the sound argument would be an inferior position." Without even proving why it is and why is your argument is not considered in the first place..!!

Science logic and reason rest on philosophy my mindless friend.

You cannot build upon anything that has no foundation in reason. The Christian scientists like Francis Bacon who invented Empiricism (the modern scientific method) did so on the basis that God was reliably rational and unchanging, so His order could be discerned by falsification.

 

[Ishmael]

teh teh teh i never said there is no reason God exists, just there is no eternal explanation. Our bible inatuambia hapo mwanzo kulikua na "NENO", nahitaji kujua hiyo NENO imetoka wapi???

I did explain to you. You cannot prove the Netherlands exist or that the external world is real with absolute 100% certainty. I can always offer some cockeyed basis to deny your assumptions and evidences.

For example you cannot verify the statement "only that which is verified can be true"

Religious truth is no more or less true than scientifically discerned truth. Scientific truth is easier to glean, but is limited to physical investigation. Our rational faculties don't stop with science. To stop with physical investigation and preclude all non-empirically verifiable truths is a mistake.

You know your family loves you, but you cannot prove it scientifically or empirically. You know artistic talent when you see it, but you cannot prove such things empirically. Empirical investigations are limited to those truths that lend themselves to the scientific process.

 

[Ishmael]

You said "something can not begin from nothing without a cause."

So let's repeat the question: What cause did God begin from?

God is not "something". When you think about non theism is where the Nihilistic trouble immediately begins. But non theism is a mindless faith, inter-alia, ex nihilo nihilo fit (something cannot come from nothing).

If nothing ever existed, nothing would exist now.
Nothingness has no capacities or being.

At what point do you take responsibility for being proven wrong over and over? Never?
I understand. Non theists never do. Non theism is mindless.

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[Ishmael]

That's the quote from the Bible. The premise of this thread isn't whether I believe in God or not. It's whether non-theists are mindless or not.

If a non theist quote the Bible as impeccable exhibit and simultaneously say there is NO GOD. Then said person is mindless.

 

[Ishmael]

Whether non theism is true or not, we are chemical machines. So the premise you use to build up the foundation of your argument is illogical and we, therefore, don't need to answer the subsequent questions. I don't have to look further than the Bible or Koran to prove that you are a chemical machine.

And the Lord God formed man of the dust (chemical compounds) of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul (Genesis 2:7).

"I am going to create a human being out of clay (chemical compounds). When I have formed him and breathed My Spirit into him, fall down in prostration to him!" (Qur'an, 38:71-72)

You are dead wrong once again. If you would simply read and pay attention....

The law is that nothing can BEGIN to exist uncaused. Notice that word BEGIN ***BEGIN*** as in beginning.

Now repeat after me B-E-G-I-N. That's right ...Begin!

God did not BEGIN to exist. God never did not exist.
The Universe BEGAN. It requires an antecedent causal agency.

In fact, I've been clear that rational law ex nihilo nihilo fit demands exactly one thing MUST SELF-EXIST WITHOUT BEGINNING (Repeat: NO Beginning) as the prime cause of all things that begin to exist (finite).


Please pay attention!

 

[Mzuvendi]

Is that the world view or your view ? Can you understand that; to a great existent what are called world problem are caused by science in reducing the broader picture of world into simple questions that have to be answered by the same world ?

Sir;

You have to ask your friend Ishmael for that. He's the one who tries to postulate his idea by deduction. You blame science for the world's problems, but at the same time you want to use scientific reasoning to make a point. That's pathetic.

To be honest; you argument could sound by debunking and showing him point by point how his logic does not hold water.
Please work on it

My work isn't to present the argument. That's Ishmael's. And to be honest with you there's no argument to be debated or debunked point by point.

Whether you believe in intelligent design, evolution or other means of creation, humans are chemical machines, and our superiority in thinking or add-on spiritual features don't negate that fact. So Ishmael can't say If non theism is true, we are nothing but chemicals machines because these machines can have no morality and no free-willed choice.

From the Bible and Koran, I have proved that we are chemical machines and since beginning of our existence we have shown sense of morality and free will.

My suggestion is Ishmael should argue: If non theism is true, we are reduced to chemicals machines

 

[Mzuvendi]

You are dead wrong once again. If you would simply read and pay attention....

The law is that nothing can BEGIN to exist uncaused. Notice that word BEGIN ***BEGIN*** as in beginning.

Now repeat after me B-E-G-I-N. That's right ...Begin!

God did not BEGIN to exist. God never did not exist.
The Universe BEGAN. It requires an antecedent causal agency.

In fact, I've been clear that rational law ex nihilo nihilo fit demands exactly one thing MUST SELF-EXIST WITHOUT BEGINNING (Repeat: NO Beginning) as the prime cause of all things that begin to exist (finite).


Please pay attention!

Aren't you posting random answers? There's no relationship between what I have said and what you are trying to reply.

 

[Mzuvendi]

If a non theist quote the Bible as impeccable exhibit and simultaneously say there is NO GOD. Then said person is mindless.

There no place in JF where I declare that I don't believe in God. The only thing I argue with you is I don't tolerate invalid and baseless arguments