JamiiForums Exclusive: Kiranga and Fellow members English Debate

[Nyani Ngabu]

Debe tupu nani?

Sijui..

 

[AshaDii]

But AshaDii, to know you know nothing is knowing something, right? So if you know you know nothing that means you already know something and that something is nothing.

Precisely Ngabu! na that is why nimeuliza the below....

Maybe we should establish the fact in "knowledge" it self... Is the knowledge entirely based on knowing you don't know anything about something you don't know? Or is the knowledge based on knowing you know you know nothing about something you don't know?

 

[Radhia Sweety]

Sijui..

Kenge?

 

[Kiranga]

Maybe we should establish the fact in "knowledge" it self... Is the knowledge entirely based on knowing you don't know anything about something you don't know? Or is the knowledge based on knowing you know you know nothing about something you don't know?

The bottom line is, it is impossible to know that you know nothing.

If you know nothing, you can't know that you know nothing because knowing that you know nothing is already knowing something.

 

[jmushi1]

I second that...

 

[Consigliere]

The bottom line is, it is impossible to know that you know nothing.

If you know nothing, you can't know that you know nothing because knowing that you know nothing is already knowing something.

Yeah...a knowledge of not knowing, is an outcome after a comparison....

 

[Kongosho]

Toa yale mabombastic magumu kabisa ya kwenye psychology

Yeah...a knowledge of not knowing, is an outcome after a comparison....

 

[AshaDii]

The bottom line is, it is impossible to know that you know nothing.

If you know nothing, you can't know that you know nothing because knowing that you know nothing is already knowing something.

Kiranga I concur in blue.... Thus why I had posed the following questions in blue; It's back bone being the red.

Maybe we should establish the fact in "knowledge" it self... Is the knowledge entirely based on knowing you don't know anything about something you don't know? Or is the knowledge based on knowing you know you know nothing about something you don't know?

Enways i drop the above and let us try it by taking it another direction.... If you don't mind please answer "Do you have any vague idea if on the 3rd of January it is going to rain in Dar or not?"

 

[jmushi1]

"When you know a thing, to hold that you know it; and when you do not know a thing, to allow that you do not know it; this is knowledge"
Confucius

 

[AshaDii]

"When you know a thing, to hold that you know it; and when you do not know a thing, to allow that you do not know it; this is knowledge" Confucius

In quotes Socrates kind of supports me....lol


I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance - Socrates.


In other words knowing that he knows nothing....

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[Kiranga]

Kiranga I concur in blue.... Thus why I had posed the following questions in blue; It's back bone being the red.

Enways i drop the above and let us try it by taking it another direction.... If you don't mind please answer "Do you have any vague idea if on the 3rd of January it is going to rain in Dar or not?"

There is no 3rd of January as defined above.

 

[Kiranga]

In quotes Socrates kind of supports me....lol


I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance - Socrates.


In other words knowing that he knows nothing....

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The word except changes everything. He is not saying he knows nothing, he says he knows something, which is his ignorance.

It is impossible to know that you know nothing.

 

[jmushi1]

"The door step to the temple of wisdom is a knowledge of our own ignorance" Benjamin Franklin.

 

[jmushi1]

Its better to say you know that you know something about knowing nothing, but trully, i seem to aggree with some of the members and hence dissagreeing with Socrates?

How is it possible to know that you know nothing where as knowing that you know nothing already contradicts the fact that you know nothing?

 

[Lukansola]

kwenye mahesabu overestimate ni kadirio la juu
kwenye mambo ya kijamii ni kujikweza nadhani

Overestimate sio kadirio la juu, ni kadirio lililozidi kiwango halisi, kwa mfano unakadiria nauli ya Dar- moshi kwa basi ni sh. 10,000 wakati nauli ni shs. 7000 (kwa mfano) hiyo ndiyo overestimate.

 

[Kiranga]

Overestimate sio kadirio la juu, ni kadirio lililozidi kiwango halisi, kwa mfano unakadiria nauli ya Dar- moshi kwa basi ni sh. 10,000 wakati nauli ni shs. 7000 (kwa mfano) hiyo ndiyo overestimate.

Vipi kuhusu "misunderestimate" a la George W. Bush?

 

[Nyani Ngabu]

Vipi kuhusu "misunderestimate" a la George W. Bush?

You can't be serious

 

[Mwita25]

You can't be serious

Jaribu kuheshimu kila mtu.

 

[Kiranga]

You can't be serious

Seriousness is overrated.

 

[Mtazamaji]

Jfers at chit chat.
I think even a 2days old baby have a knowledge. and knwoing that you know or udont know is knowledge.