Je! Mungu ni yule yule?

capitalpool · Mar 19, 2018

Kiranga said:
You are running away, you are not done.

You have not answered my questions.

Skia bro umetoa contradictions zako, nmejibu moja wapo kama mfano tu na umeridhika. Madai yalobaki ni ushupavu binafsi. Unasema logics, nmekuuliza unaujua upepo? hujataka kujibu straight sasa nikusaidieje? Huna logic, huna points. Achana na sources za ku-google zitakupoteza. Ukitaka kumjua Mungu soma vitabu vitakatifu. Sina muda wa kutosha kujadili haya, wapo wanasayansi wakubwa dunia wamekiri uwepo wa Mungu, wew ni nan?

Hatufanyi mzaha hapa ujue

Kiranga · Mar 19, 2018

auferet dominus said:
Kuruhusu maovu yaendelee sio kushindwa kuyafutilia mbali. Kama umewahi kusikia kuhusu pambano alilonalo sasa hivi na mkuu wa ulimwengu huu(pole kwa hii contradiction ) linalotazamwa na viumbe tusiowaona ( hili ni kwa imani) Mungu anaendelea kuthibitisha kwa wanadamu na viumbe wengine ambao hawajaasi haki ya hukumu zake. Accusation ya shetani ni kama yako kuwa Mungu ni tyrant na wanaomfuata ni automatons au wanamwogopa. Mungu anataka kuthibitisha kuwa anaweza kuwapa viumbe wanaochagua kumwamini na kumsikiliza uwezo wa kuishi vile inavyowafaa na kupata gift ya kuishi bila kufa pale wakati utakapotimia wakati huyo ibilisi atakapofutiliwa mbali milele na kurhibitisha uwezo wa Mungu in all fronts. So just because God has not yet shown unbelievers uwezo wake wote it doesn’t mean He does not have the power to do what He wants. The Bible has these insights only when read objectively and not when read by its critics.

Unaelewa kwamba hujajibu swali nililouliza na kama umejibu umejibu swali ambalo sijauliza?

Mungu alishindwa kuumba ulimwengu ambao hauna shetani, hauna dhambi, hauna mabaya yanawezekana mazuri tu na viumbe wake hawawezi kufanya mabaya, watachagua mazuri yoyote wataweza kufanya,lakinimabaya hata hayawezi kufikirika.

Alishindwa kuumba hivyo?

Kiranga · Mar 19, 2018

capitalpool said:
Skia bro umetoa contradictions zako, nmejibu moja wapo kama mfano tu na umeridhika. Madai yalobaki ni ushupavu binafsi. Unasema logics, nmekuuliza unaujua upepo? hujataka kujibu straight sasa nikusaidieje? Huna logic, huna points. Achana na sources za ku-google zitakupoteza. Ukitaka kumjua Mungu soma vitabu vitakatifu.

Hujaondoa contradiction ya Mungu wako wa "pembe tatu yenye pembe sita".

capitalpool · Mar 19, 2018

Kiranga said:
Hujaondoa contradiction ya Mungu wako wa "pembe tatu yenye pembe sita".

Hii umesoma wapi?

auferet dominus · Mar 19, 2018

Kiranga said:
Kitabu kinami contradictions kibao, left right and center. Halafu mtu anakwambia hiki kitabu cha Mungu mjuziwa yote,mwenye uwezo wote na upendo wote.

Mungu huyo angekuwepo asingehitaji hata kitabu kumuelezea.

Ukweli kwamba kuna kitabu hicho unaonesha Mungu huyo katungwa na watu tu.

Jaribu tu kuelewa kuwa hizo unazoita contradictions ni kwa kuwa knowledge uliyonayo iko limited na logics ulizosoma hii miaka 20 au 30. Panua akili kidogo and imagine kuna knowledge ambayo hujaipata tu (which is a big possibility considering educational advancement now compared to those medieval ages) ambayo mwanadamu hajfunuliwa kuja kukufundisha. Huwezi kujenga logic hapo. Kwako itakuwa contradictions tu. Ungekuwa salama kama ungechukua position explanation ya kilichoko kwa Bible sijaielewa, not because there’s contradictions but because the true meaning has not been revealed to me.

Kiranga · Mar 19, 2018

capitalpool said:
Hii umesoma wapi?

Unapoandika "hii" una maana gani? Umeelewa hata nilichoandika?

Your God,is, by definition, a contradiction, just like "pembetatu yenye pembe sita".

Kamavile "pembe tatu yenye pembe sita" ambavyo haiwezi kuwepo, Mungu wako naye hivyo hivyo hawezi kuwepo.

Kwa sababu, katika dhana ya kuwepo Mungu wako,kuna vitu vinajipinga kama inavyojipinga dhana ya "pembe tatu yenye pembe sita"

capitalpool · Mar 19, 2018

Kiranga said:
Kitabu kinami contradictions kibao, left right and center. Halafu mtu anakwambia hiki kitabu cha Mungu mjuziwa yote,mwenye uwezo wote na upendo wote.

Mungu huyo angekuwepo asingehitaji hata kitabu kumuelezea.

Ukweli kwamba kuna kitabu hicho unaonesha Mungu huyo katungwa na watu tu.

hiyo ni hekima yako, ambayo kwangu mim naweza sema ni ujinga pia. Nasema ujinga sababu unaongea jambo usilolijua

capitalpool · Mar 19, 2018

Kiranga said:
Unapoandika "hii" una maana gani? Umeelewa hata nilichoandika?

Your God,is, by definition, a contradiction, just like "pembetatu yenye pembe sita".

Kamavile "pembe tatu yenye pembe sita" ambavyo haiwezi kuwepo, Mungu wako naye hivyo hivyo hawezi kuwepo.

Kwa sababu, katika dhana ya kuwepo Mungu wako,kuna vitu vinajipinga kama inavyojipinga dhana ya "pembe tatu yenye pembe sita"

Talking abt trinity sio?

Kiranga · Mar 19, 2018

auferet dominus said:
Jaribu tu kuelewa kuwa hizo unazoita contradictions ni kwa kuwa knowledge uliyonayo iko limited na logics ulizosoma hii miaka 20 au 30. Panua akili kidogo and imagine kuna knowledge ambayo hujaipata tu (which is a big possibility considering educational advancement now compared to those medieval ages) ambayo mwanadamu hajfunuliwa kuja kukufundisha. Huwezi kujenga logic hapo. Kwako itakuwa contradictions tu. Ungekuwa salama kama ungechukua position explanation ya kilichoko kwa Bible sijaielewa, not because there’s contradictions but because the true meaning has not been revealed to me.

Ukikubali logic, Mungu wako hayupo kwa sababu hana logic.

Ukikataa logic, huwezi kuthibitisha Mungu wako yupo (unahitaji logic). Arguments zote za kuwepo kwaMungu ambazo zinatumialogic nazo zinavunjika.

Ukikubali logic, ukikataa logic, Mungu wako hayupo.

Kiranga · Mar 19, 2018

capitalpool said:
Talking abt trinity sio?

Trinity umeipata wapi?Mimi naongea Euclidean geometry, tena nimeitaja mara kibao, wewe unaona trinity.

Hata kunisomatu kazi!

Hatuwezi kuelewana.

Kiranga · Mar 19, 2018

capitalpool said:
hiyo ni hekima yako, ambayo kwangu mim naweza sema ni ujinga pia. Nasema ujinga sababu unaongea jambo usilolijua

Unaita kitu ambacho hujaweza kukijibu ujinga.

Hapo nani mjinga?

capitalpool · Mar 19, 2018

Kiranga said:
Unaita kitu ambacho hujaweza kukijibu ujinga.

Hapo nani mjinga?[/QUOTE

Kiranga said:

Unaita kitu ambacho hujaweza kukijibu ujinga.

Hapo nani mjinga?

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Naona una fail sasa. Geometric na uwepo wa Mungu kuna uhusiano wowote au unatafuta kichaka? Jambo usilojua ni kwamba sipo hapa ili mtu ajue kua nipo hapa, nipo hapa tusaidiane. Me naamin we huamin uwepo wa Mungu nan ana advantage? So farr zipo faida nyingi za kuamin uwepo wa Mungu na hakuna hasara. Unahis kuna faida yoyote napata kulumbana na wew? Believ wat u believ its ur choice.

auferet dominus · Mar 19, 2018

Kiranga said:
Ukikubali logic, Mungu wako hayupo kwa sababu hana logic.

Ukikataa logic, huwezi kuthibitisha Mungu wako yupo (unahitaji logic). Arguments zote za kuwepo kwaMungu ambazo zinatumialogic nazo zinavunjika.

Ukikubali logic, ukikataa logic, Mungu wako hayupo.

Ahaaa now I get you. Kuwa mtu akikubali kuwa limited na logic basi Mungu ni contradiction. As for logic, it is a tiny subject that serves to complete small small matters. But for big things I go for God. Una akili sana wewe kiranga. Sasa kuwa msomi zaidi. STOP BEING LIMITED BY LOGICS. THEY ARE A SMALL TOPIC IN A BIG SUBJECT CALLED REALITY. I rest my case.

Kiranga · Mar 19, 2018

auferet dominus said:
Ahaaa now I get you. Kuwa mtu akikubali kuwa limited na logic basi Mungu ni contradiction. As for logic, it is a tiny subject that serves to complete small small matters. But for big things I go for God. Una akili sana wewe kiranga. Sasa kuwa msomi zaidi. STOP BEING LIMITED BY LOGICS. THEY ARE A SMALL TOPIC IN A BIG SUBJECT CALLED REALITY. I rest my case.

Ukienda nje ya logic, chochote kinawezekana.

Umekubali Mungu yupo.

Umekubali Mungu hayupo.

Umekubali Mungu yupo na hayupo hapo hapo.

Umekubali Mungu yupo na hayupo, halafu katikati ya kuwepo na kutokuwepo hayupo na yupo.

Umekubali hayupo lakini anaonekana kama yupo.

Umekubali yupo lakini anaonekana kama hayupo.

Umekubali hujakubali ulichokubali.

Hujakubali kukubali.

Hujui umesimama wapi.

auferet dominus · Mar 19, 2018

Kiranga said:
Ukienda nje ya logic, chochote kinawezekana.

Umekubali Mungu yupo.

Umekubali Mungu hayupo.

Umekubali Mungu yupo na hayupo hapo hapo.

Umekubali Mungu yupo na hayupo, halafu katikati ya kuwepo na kutokuwepo hayupo na yupo.

Umekubali hayupo lakini kama yupo.

Umekubali yupo lakini anaonekana kama hayupo.

Umekubali hujakubali ulichokubali.

Hujakubali kukubali.

Hujui umesimama wapi.

😀😀😀 alokufundisha hizo tautologies kakuweza kweli

Kiranga · Mar 19, 2018

capitalpool said:
Naoan

Umeshindwa hata kuninukuu.

Mungu wako ana contradiction, kama contradiction iliyo katika dhana ya "pembe tatu yenye pembe sita".

Kama "pembe tatu yenye pembe sita" isivyoweza kuwepokiuhalisia, ndivyo Mungu wakoasivyoweza kuwepo kiuhalisia.

Kiranga · Mar 19, 2018

auferet dominus said:
😀😀😀 alokufundisha hizo tautologies kakuweza kweli

Ukikataa logic, tautology inakuwa sawa na contradiction na chochote kinawezekana.

Hata pembe tatu yenye pembe sita inawezekana kuwepo.

Na Mungu wenu mwenye contradiction anakuwa a tautological fiat.

auferet dominus · Mar 19, 2018

Kiranga said:
Ukikataa logic, tautology inakuwa sawa na contradiction na chochote kinawezekana.

Hata pembe tatu yenye pembe sita inawezekana kuwepo.

Na Mungu wenu mwenye contradiction anakuwa a tautological fiat.

Toka eeewe pepo wa logic na umwachilie mtu huyu, yeye ni mtoto wa Mungu aliye hai. Huna mamlaka juu yake

Kiranga · Mar 19, 2018

Watu wanaosemaMungu yupo, ukiwabana kwakuonesha Mungu waoana contradiction,logically hawezi kuwepokama"pembe tatu yenye pembe sita", wanakimbia kumzungumza Mungu huyo logically.

Wanajihami kwa kusema Mungu huyu hapimwi kwa logic.

Utetezi huu unajulikana sikunyingi. Wayunani wa kale waliuita "Deus ex Machina".

Wayunani walikuwa na michezo yao ya kuigiza, basi ikiwa mchezo wa kuigiza umekuwa so complex hauwezi kuwa resolved, say star kabanwa hana pakutokea, ili kumaliza mchezo, walikuwa wanamshusha Mungu wa mbaokutoka juu anakuja kumaliza mchezo.

Katikawatu wanaojua habari za "creative writing", story ikiwa na "deus ex machina" ni weakness, muandishi anaonekana mvivu na mzembe. Hakuwezakutunga story inayokuwa na resolution natural, ame force resolution.

Wanaosema Mungu yupo nje ya logic wameshindwa kumuelezea Mungu wao, wanatupa suluhishola "deus ex machina"

Deus ex machina - Wikipedia

Kiranga · Mar 19, 2018

Tetezi nyingi za Mungu huyu wa contradiction zinaangukia humu.

1. Deus ex machina
2. Logical Non sequitur

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