Kadhi courts has no place in the constitution

[masumbuko dogo]

hana jipya gwajima, jitu la kupenda misifa afu linajiita mchungaji, kumbe linajiwekea kuni za jahanamu tu, sio mahala pake hapa usimzungumzie huyo mchungaji fake.

Ok....usiku mwema.

 

[Dragunov Sniper]

Mwaka huu na kuendelea Iwe mvua ama jua kali hamuwezi tena kuwaburuza waislam...

Ayaaaa we Granta umetokea wapi wewe,naona umepotea njia kabisa humu malumbano ya dini hayana nafasi hivi wewe Katiba na masuala ya dini wapi na wapi,Kwa taarifa yako katiba pendekezwa imeweka usawa kwa dini zote, sasa unataka wewe dini yako iingizwe kwenye katiba Daaaa ama kweli una upungufu wa madini joto afu unahamasisha iwe mvua iwe jua nenda oman,iraq au somalia tuachie Tanzania yetu ya Mwalimu Nyerere SOMA IBARA YA 41 uhuru wa imani ya dini Katiba Pendekezwa (3) Shughuli za uendeshaji wa jumuiya za dini itakua nje ya shughuli za mamlaka ya serikali, katiba yenye kifungu hiki ndiyo itakayopigiwa kura na watu wa dini zote.

 

[Dragunov Sniper]

The current debate is about whether or not these "Kadhi" courts should be entrenched in the new constitution of Tanzania.

Confrontations rivalry on the mainland (Tanganyika) between the Muslims "minority" who are 35% and the Christians "majority" who are more than 55% have flared up frequently in the past few years. These exasperating tensions are too complex to be labeled as a fundamental antagonism based on religion. Neither Muslims nor Christians (in Tanganyika and Zanzibar) form a homogeneous block.

The endless debate in the "Bunge Maalum", which has focused itself on the (Mahakama ya Kadhi) kadhi's courts and the constitutional review, has allowed extreme elements from both sides to speak out with great vehemence potency and so increased tensions between the two communities. It has crystallized the perceived hurts and prejudices that have lain under the surface of a thin veneer of mutual tolerance. Aspects of the entire situation must be examined for the influence of political elements who use religion for their own ethnic reasons.

So we stay with the whole phrase – rule of law – with each one appreciating it according to her needs or as the occasion demands.

Can't Tanzanian Muslims rule themselves by themselves without being in the constitution? What is the big deal, a religious court being entrenched in the constitution that rules over different religions? What is the hidden agenda? I argue Tanzanians to learn from Nigeria, Pakistan and other nations with Kadhis courts and Islamic Sharia "Law"……..understand the meaning of Kafiris as described by Muslims and what sharia law advocates to the same.

Readers should remember that the fellows who are drafting the constitution are purely lawyers by profession, and going by their egos and personality they are fellows who can easily convince and confuse your reasoning without much ado. They can easily prove a day is a night. Entrenching the kadhis court in the constitution is purely improper, unmeritorious, unconstitutional and against human rights.
Therefore the needs of both the Christians, Hindus, Muslims and any other religion was catered for.

There are unforeseen consequences which are not apparent as per now but of which the coe (lawyers) are aware of. Who is a Muslim anyway? Where does she/he live? Whom does she/he live with? How does coexisting with Muslims affect your lifestyle and culture? Will inclusion of kadhi's court in the constitution change all these? The answer is yours.


Christians in Tanzania are arguing that including the Kadhi Courts in the constitution is (apart from favoring one religion) setting the stage for the introduction of Sharia law and simultaneously joining Organization of Islamic Conference "OIC".


Do you think Kadhi's courts should be part of the new Constitution? Shouldn't the constitution protect the interest of the majority as well as minority?By including Kadhis court in our nation constitution, it is a favor to one religion. It would mean that if need be, we could also include, e.g. Artificial contraceptive clause to favor the Catholic Church in the constitution. Otherwise, anything to do with religion and faith must be left to the concerned believers.

Source: Do you think Kadhi's courts should be part of the new Tanzanian Constitution?

Wee vipi hii topic umeiokota wapi?kwanza wewe umetokea wapi?naona umepotea njia kabisa humu malumbano ya dini hayana nafasi hivi wewe Katiba na masuala ya dini wapi na wapi,Kwa taarifa yako katiba pendekezwa imeweka usawa kwa dini zote, sasa unataka wewe dini yako iingizwe kwenye katiba Daaaa ama kweli una upungufu wa madini joto afu unahamasisha iwe mvua iwe jua nenda oman,iraq au somalia tuachie Tanzania yetu ya Mwalimu Nyerere .

SOMA IBARA YA 41 uhuru wa imani ya dini Katiba Pendekezwa (3) Shughuli za uendeshaji wa jumuiya za dini itakua nje ya shughuli za mamlaka ya serikali, katiba yenye kifungu hiki ndiyo itakayopigiwa kura na watu wa dini zote.

 

[Dragunov Sniper]

Ndio Mkuu, taratibu wataelewa tu. Na sis tusikate moyo, tuendelee kufundisha Mungu. Barikiwa sana Kuu.

Mwaka huu na kuendelea Iwe mvua ama jua kali hamuwezi tena kuwaburuza waislam...[/QUOTE


Acheni kumeza upepo mmepotea njia kabisa na kuendekeza uhayawani wenu na ubinafsi hasa wewe IShmael jiheshimu na uheshimu JF humu malumbano ya dini hayana nafasi hivi wewe Katiba na masuala ya dini wapi na wapi,Kwa taarifa yako katiba pendekezwa imeweka usawa kwa dini zote, sasa unataka wewe dini yako iingizwe kwenye katiba Daaaa ama kweli una upungufu wa madini joto afu unahamasisha iwe mvua iwe jua nenda oman,iraq au somalia tuachie Tanzania yetu ya Mwalimu Nyerere SOMA IBARA YA 41 uhuru wa imani ya dini Katiba Pendekezwa (3) Shughuli za uendeshaji wa jumuiya za dini itakua nje ya shughuli za mamlaka ya serikali, katiba yenye kifungu hiki ndiyo itakayopigiwa kura na watu wa dini zote.

 

[Ishmael]

Mwaka huu na kuendelea Iwe mvua ama jua kali hamuwezi tena kuwaburuza waislam...

Acheni kumeza upepo mmepotea njia kabisa na kuendekeza uhayawani wenu na ubinafsi hasa wewe IShmael jiheshimu na uheshimu JF humu malumbano ya dini hayana nafasi hivi wewe Katiba na masuala ya dini wapi na wapi,Kwa taarifa yako katiba pendekezwa imeweka usawa kwa dini zote, sasa unataka wewe dini yako iingizwe kwenye katiba Daaaa ama kweli una upungufu wa madini joto afu unahamasisha iwe mvua iwe jua nenda oman,iraq au somalia tuachie Tanzania yetu ya Mwalimu Nyerere SOMA IBARA YA 41 uhuru wa imani ya dini Katiba Pendekezwa (3) Shughuli za uendeshaji wa jumuiya za dini itakua nje ya shughuli za mamlaka ya serikali, katiba yenye kifungu hiki ndiyo itakayopigiwa kura na watu wa dini zote.

I see, thank you

 

[Ishmael]

umetumwa wewe na huyo mwenzio, humpati mtu humu labda mambumbumbu wengine

... your logic is flawed. Deeply and critically flawed.

​

 

[Dragunov Sniper]

ISHMAELI

malumbano ya dini hayana nafasi hivi wewe Katiba na masuala ya dini wapi na wapi,Kwa taarifa yako katiba pendekezwa imeweka usawa kwa dini zote, sasa unataka wewe dini yako iingizwe kwenye katiba Daaaa ama kweli una upungufu wa madini joto afu unahamasisha iwe mvua iwe jua nenda oman,iraq au somalia tuachie Tanzania yetu ya Mwalimu Nyerere SOMA IBARA YA 41 uhuru wa imani ya dini Katiba Pendekezwa (3) Shughuli za uendeshaji wa jumuiya za dini itakua nje ya shughuli za mamlaka ya serikali, katiba yenye kifungu hiki ndiyo itakayopigiwa kura na watu wa dini zote.

 

[Dragunov Sniper]

Mwaka huu na kuendelea Iwe mvua ama jua kali hamuwezi tena kuwaburuza waislam...[/QUOTE


Acheni kumeza upepo mmepotea njia kabisa na kuendekeza uhayawani wenu na ubinafsi hasa wewe IShmael jiheshimu na uheshimu JF humu malumbano ya dini hayana nafasi hivi wewe Katiba na masuala ya dini wapi na wapi,Kwa taarifa yako katiba pendekezwa imeweka usawa kwa dini zote, sasa unataka wewe dini yako iingizwe kwenye katiba Daaaa ama kweli una upungufu wa madini joto afu unahamasisha iwe mvua iwe jua nenda oman,iraq au somalia tuachie Tanzania yetu ya Mwalimu Nyerere SOMA IBARA YA 41 uhuru wa imani ya dini Katiba Pendekezwa (3) Shughuli za uendeshaji wa jumuiya za dini itakua nje ya shughuli za mamlaka ya serikali, katiba yenye kifungu hiki ndiyo itakayopigiwa kura na watu wa dini zote.

Huyo Ishmael anaonekana kuwa wala si Mtanzania huyo bali ni magaidi wale wa ISIS anataka kuambukiza chuki na kuondoa amani ya nchi yetu tu hana lolote, huyo.

 

[Dragunov Sniper]

... your logic is flawed. Deeply and critically flawed.

Wewe kijana unaonekana kuwa ni mfuasi wa ISIS tunakufuatilia tukujue coz huna uzalendo humu na nchi yako zaidi ya udini mtupu.

 

[Dragunov Sniper]

... your logic is flawed. Deeply and critically flawed.

And the vice versa is tru to you. Wewe gaidi wewe kojoa ukalale watu wameshakujua wewe umetumwa na dola ya KIISLAM ya ISIS huna hoja humu zaidi ya hizo za kadhi.

 

[Dragunov Sniper]

... your logic is flawed. Deeply and critically flawed.

Wewe lijibaba la wapi wewe usie na sura hata ya Utanzania? umetokea wapi mbona unaonekana kama kibaraka humu ndani, ondoka bhana hatuhitaji magaidi humu huoni aibu? kama huwezi rudi kwenu Iraq

 

[Ishmael]

Wewe lijibaba la wapi wewe usie na sura hata ya Utanzania? umetokea wapi mbona unaonekana kama kibaraka humu ndani, ondoka bhana hatuhitaji magaidi humu huoni aibu? kama huwezi rudi kwenu Iraq

 

[Ishmael]

And the vice versa is tru to you. Wewe gaidi wewe kojoa ukalale watu wameshakujua wewe umetumwa na dola ya KIISLAM ya ISIS huna hoja humu zaidi ya hizo za kadhi.

You don't need to copy me Muzzrat.

Your statement is bogus as Satanic.

 

[Ishmael]

Wewe kijana unaonekana kuwa ni mfuasi wa ISIS tunakufuatilia tukujue coz huna uzalendo humu na nchi yako zaidi ya udini mtupu.

ISIS are Muzzrataganstans and I am NOT.

 

[Ishmael]

ISHMAELI

malumbano ya dini hayana nafasi hivi wewe Katiba na masuala ya dini wapi na wapi,Kwa taarifa yako katiba pendekezwa imeweka usawa kwa dini zote, sasa unataka wewe dini yako iingizwe kwenye katiba Daaaa ama kweli una upungufu wa madini joto afu unahamasisha iwe mvua iwe jua nenda oman,iraq au somalia tuachie Tanzania yetu ya Mwalimu Nyerere SOMA IBARA YA 41 uhuru wa imani ya dini Katiba Pendekezwa (3) Shughuli za uendeshaji wa jumuiya za dini itakua nje ya shughuli za mamlaka ya serikali, katiba yenye kifungu hiki ndiyo itakayopigiwa kura na watu wa dini zote.

Waambie wanao taka kuweka dini kwenye KATIBA na sio MIMI.

 

[Dragunov Sniper]

Waambie wanao taka kuweka dini kwenye KATIBA na sio MIMI.

Basi uache kushabikia hiyo kadhi yako.

 

[Dragunov Sniper]

Katiba ya chenge nani aipitishe...? Mara hii kila kitu kimekwama

Jamani jamani Katiba itakayopigiwa kura imetokana na BMK hapa hakuna cha chenge husomi inaelekea ndio umeamka usingizini wewe.

 

[Dragunov Sniper]

You don't need to copy me Muzzrat.

Your statement is bogus as Satanic.

ha ha ha ha ha confusion usipime na huu ni mwanzo tu, je ikianzishwa si ndio hivyo vidole vitaisha kwakukatwa ha ha ha ha katiba pendekezwa forever,Nonchance for Kadhi court! Ha ha ha ha

 

[Dragunov Sniper]

Basi uache kushabikia hiyo kadhi yako.

ha ha ha ha chezea kukatwa vidole weye.

 

[Dragunov Sniper]

the current debate is about whether or not these "kadhi" courts should be entrenched in the new constitution of tanzania.

Confrontations rivalry on the mainland (tanganyika) between the muslims "minority" who are 35% and the christians "majority" who are more than 55% have flared up frequently in the past few years. These exasperating tensions are too complex to be labeled as a fundamental antagonism based on religion. Neither muslims nor christians (in tanganyika and zanzibar) form a homogeneous block.

The endless debate in the "bunge maalum", which has focused itself on the (mahakama ya kadhi) kadhi's courts and the constitutional review, has allowed extreme elements from both sides to speak out with great vehemence potency and so increased tensions between the two communities. It has crystallized the perceived hurts and prejudices that have lain under the surface of a thin veneer of mutual tolerance. Aspects of the entire situation must be examined for the influence of political elements who use religion for their own ethnic reasons.

So we stay with the whole phrase – rule of law – with each one appreciating it according to her needs or as the occasion demands.

Can't tanzanian muslims rule themselves by themselves without being in the constitution? What is the big deal, a religious court being entrenched in the constitution that rules over different religions? What is the hidden agenda? I argue tanzanians to learn from nigeria, pakistan and other nations with kadhis courts and islamic sharia "law"……..understand the meaning of kafiris as described by muslims and what sharia law advocates to the same.

Readers should remember that the fellows who are drafting the constitution are purely lawyers by profession, and going by their egos and personality they are fellows who can easily convince and confuse your reasoning without much ado. They can easily prove a day is a night. Entrenching the kadhis court in the constitution is purely improper, unmeritorious, unconstitutional and against human rights.
therefore the needs of both the christians, hindus, muslims and any other religion was catered for.

there are unforeseen consequences which are not apparent as per now but of which the coe (lawyers) are aware of. Who is a muslim anyway? Where does she/he live? Whom does she/he live with? How does coexisting with muslims affect your lifestyle and culture? Will inclusion of kadhi's court in the constitution change all these? The answer is yours.


christians in tanzania are arguing that including the kadhi courts in the constitution is (apart from favoring one religion) setting the stage for the introduction of sharia law and simultaneously joining organization of islamic conference "oic".


do you think kadhi's courts should be part of the new constitution? Shouldn't the constitution protect the interest of the majority as well as minority?by including kadhis court in our nation constitution, it is a favor to one religion. It would mean that if need be, we could also include, e.g. Artificial contraceptive clause to favor the catholic church in the constitution. Otherwise, anything to do with religion and faith must be left to the concerned believers.



source: do you think kadhi's courts should be part of the new tanzanian constitution?

katiba inayopendekezwa....... Big no to kadhi court.