Kama Mungu hayupo, umaarufu wake unatoka wapi?

[Kiranga]

That's my faith and i got foundations on it.

I did not ask if it is your faith or not. You are the one who stated it, so obviously it is your faith.

You are answering a question that is not asked, while not answering the question that is asked.

The question I asked is "Why". Why is Christianity a good faith?

You have not answered that question. You made a claim that you cannot back up with facts or reason.

I can tell you that Christianity is not a good faith, because it promoted and justified slavery.

As someone who is black, we suffer a lot up to this day because of slavery. Which was justified by Christianity.

How can you say Christianity is a good faith while it promoted slavery?

 

[REDEEMER.]

I did not ask if it is your faith or not. You are the one who stated it, so obviously it is your faith.

The question I asked is "Why". Why is Christianity a good faith?

You have not answered that question. You made a claim that you cannot back up with facts or reason.

Well, Christianity means Christ like.
So the simple definition is Christ is Good not religion but Christ as the core fundamental of the faith.

 

[Kiranga]

Well, Christianity means Christ like.
So the simple definition is Christ is Good not religion but Christ as the core fundamental of the faith.

Christ sent the demons he chased out of the madman into the pigs, the pigs drowned in the lake.

Why couldn't he cast the demons out of the madman without letting them go into the pigs and drowning the pigs?

What is so good about killing pigs unnecessarily?

 

[REDEEMER.]

Mr. Kiranga when you want to associate the slavery of which explained in the Bible and of the previous era you got some notions to set on maximum consideration.

The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27).

 

[Kiranga]

Ukirudia ule uzi wangu wa MAKOSA 10 ALIYOTENDA MUNGU, utapata sababu ya kumwachisha kazi....Mimi tangu nikiwa na miaka 4 hii concept ya kusema Mungu yupo iligoma kuregister kwenye akili yangu kabisa....nina mengi ya kusema ila bado sijajipanga vizuri...ila kuna haja ya kuanzisha FREE THINKER SOCIETY kwa lengo la kukomboa wanyonge wenye utumwa wa kifikra.

Kenya washaanzisha kitu kama hicho. Ona Atheists In Kenya (AIK)

Atheist group in Kenya tests boundaries of religious tolerance

Atheists In Kenya visit university students

Attorney General Githu Muigai suspends registration of atheists' society

Kenya atheist group claims bias after it was denied recognition

 

[ShyaRuwa]

Kwani kama mtu akiamini Mungu yupo anaathirika na kitu gani by good faith kama Christianity.

Kuamini Mungu yupo wakati hamna chochote kuna athari nyingi sana:
1.Kwanza unaishi kwa hofu ukihofia kwamba una uwezekano wa kwenda motoni siku ya mwisho ili hali hamna aliyewahi kuona huo moto.

2.Unapoteza muda kumwomba Mungu ili hali kupata kitu ni probability...ukichunguza utagundua kusali ni kama kurusha jiwe gizani, unaweza kulenga target au kukosa...Hata wewe mwenyewe ni shahidi, siyo kila ulichoomba ulipata.Ila baada ya kukosa ulijipa visababu mf. haukuwa mpango wa Mungu mimi kupata kitu flani.

3.Ukiamini kwa Mungu una postpone maisha.Badala ya kuishi na kufurahia maisha ya duniani unatumia muda na gharama nyingi kuanda maisha ya baadae...eti unaanda maisha ya uzima wa milele, mbona hukujiandalia maisha ya kuja kuishi hapa duniani kabla haujazaliwa???

4.Kumwamini Mungu ni kuleta chuki, mf sehemu nyingi wakristo na waislam hawapatani, waislam na waislam hawapatani, wakristo kwa wakristo hawapatani wana madhehebu zaidi ya 35000 na kila mmoja anadai dhehebu lake ni bora zaidi.Unafikiri chanzo cha huo ugomvi ni nini kama siyo Mungu??? kama watu wasingekuwa na dini, vita vya kidini vingetoka wapi???

5.Kumwamini Mungu unapoteza resources muhimu kama muda na pesa.Yaani badala ya kutumia muda wako ukifanya mambo ya faida kwako na kwa vizazi vijavyo, wewe unashinda na kukesha kwenye nyumba za ibada.Pesa unayotafuta kwa jasho na kuichokea unaambiwa uitoe kiurahisi tu eti utaongezewa mara mia...kwanini wao wasitoe ili waongezewe mara mia??? wananyonya pesa za waumini wakiziita fungu la kumi. sadaka au michango ya ibada. Kama unajisikia kutoa kitu, wape ombaomba na siyo hao mamwinyi wanaomiliki dini

Kuamini kwa Mungu au kwa Shetani kuna hasara zisizo na idadi.

 

[REDEEMER.]

Kuamini Mungu yupo wakati hamna chochote kuna athari nyingi sana:
1.Kwanza unaishi kwa hofu ukihofia kwamba una uwezekano wa kwenda motoni siku ya mwisho ili hali hamna aliyewahi kuona huo moto.

2.Unapoteza muda kumwomba Mungu ili hali kupata kitu ni probability...ukichunguza utagundua kusali ni kama kurusha jiwe gizani, unaweza kulenga target au kukosa...Hata wewe mwenyewe ni shahidi, siyo kila ulichoomba ulipata.Ila baada ya kukosa ulijipa visababu mf. haukuwa mpango wa Mungu mimi kupata kitu flani.

3.Ukiamini kwa Mungu una postpone maisha.Badala ya kuishi na kufurahia maisha ya duniani unatumia muda na gharama nyingi kuanda maisha ya baadae...eti unaanda maisha ya uzima wa milele, mbona hukujiandalia maisha ya kuja kuishi hapa duniani kabla haujazaliwa???

4.Kumwamini Mungu ni kuleta chuki, mf sehemu nyingi wakristo na waislam hawapatani, waislam na waislam hawapatani, wakristo kwa wakristo hawapatani wana madhehebu zaidi ya 35000 na kila mmoja anadai dhehebu lake ni bora zaidi.Unafikiri chanzo cha huo ugomvi ni nini kama siyo Mungu??? kama watu wasingekuwa na dini, vita vya kidini vingetoka wapi???

5.Kumwamini Mungu unapoteza resources muhimu kama muda na pesa.Yaani badala ya kutumia muda wako ukifanya mambo ya faida kwako na kwa vizazi vijavyo, wewe unashinda na kukesha kwenye nyumba za ibada.Pesa unayotafuta kwa jasho na kuichokea unaambiwa uitoe kiurahisi tu eti utaongezewa mara mia...kwanini wao wasitoe ili waongezewe mara mia??? wananyonya pesa za waumini wakiziita fungu la kumi. sadaka au michango ya ibada. Kama unajisikia kutoa kitu, wape ombaomba na siyo hao mamwinyi wanaomiliki dini

Kuamini kwa Mungu au kwa Shetani kuna hasara zisizo na idadi.

Well, unaongeleaje mchango wa kanisa katika ukombozi wa bara la Africa kuhusu elimu kuhusu health services kuhusu counselling and psychology assistance vipi kuhusu solidarity and togetherness brotherhood in faith which many ways prevent community from immorality and make people good.

Kama ni migogoro na chuki je ukabila hauleti hayo madhara au conflicts baina ya jamii na kanda au mataifa tofauti?

Kama sababu inakufanya ukatae imani ni madhehebu mengi unaongeleaje kuhusu vyama vya siasa na vilabu vya mipira kwani hao hawana mashabiki ambao wana uhasama wa hata kuuwana na kuleteana fujo?

Kama ni kupoteza pesa unaongeleaje wanaotumia madawa ya kulevya pombe ufuska na starehe nyingine zenye madhara makubwa kiafya na kisaikolojia katika jamii je hao sio zaidi ya imani ambayo ndio imekua njia ya kweli na uzima kuwapeleka nuruni na kuachana na njia zisizofaa katika jamii?

Je unavyoamini hakuna Mungu una uhakika kiasi gani kwamba hayupo na je ukisikia watu wanasema yupo Mungu wewe haupatwi na hofu au mashaka kwamba hayupo but others say God is real?

 

[REDEEMER.]

Christ sent the demons he chased out of the madman into the pigs, the pigs drowned in the lake.

Why couldn't he cast the demons out of the madman without letting them go into the pigs and drowning the pigs?

What is so good about killing pigs unnecessarily?

Since to Jesus the soul of Man worthy more value over the whatever group of swines and here is the notion Jesus shows us how he valued a single soul of madam than the grazed swines for a living.

When the demons begged Jesus to let them go into a herd of pigs, He gave them permission. They entered the pigs, rushed down the steep bank into the lake, and were drowned. Jesus thereby made known His authority and thwarted whatever evil purpose the demons had.

Why the demons begged to be allowed to enter the swine is unclear from the account. It could be because they didn’t want to leave the area where they had been successful in doing their mischief among the people.

Whatever their reasoning, it is clear from the account that demons had little power of their own and were unable to do anything without Jesus’ permission. As Christians, we can take comfort in the knowledge that the forces of the enemy of our souls are under the complete control of God and can only act in ways He allows.

 

[ShyaRuwa]

Well, unaongeleaje mchango wa kanisa katika ukombozi wa bara la Africa kuhusu elimu kuhusu health services kuhusu counselling and psychology assistance vipi kuhusu solidarity and togetherness brotherhood in faith which many ways prevent community from immorality and make people good.

Kama ni migogoro na chuki je ukabila hauleti hayo madhara au conflicts baina ya jamii na kanda au mataifa tofauti?

Je unavyoamini hakuna Mungu una uhakika kiasi gani kwamba hayupo na je ukisikia watu wanasema yupo Mungu wewe haupatwi na hofu au mashaka kwamba hayupo but others say God is real?

Makanisa yanachangisha waumini fedha nyingi ili yajenge mashule, mahosipitali, na mabank lakini gharama za kupata hizo huduma ni kubwa sana.Utakuta mtoto wa muumini anasoma kata sec. lakini mtoto wa mpagani tajiri anasoma shule ya kanisa.

Kuhusu kuwa na umoja, upendo na mshikamano, hata sisi wenyewe tunaweza kufanya hivyo hatuhitaji msaada wa kanisa...kwani kabla makanisa hayajaja hapakuwepo na umoja, amani, upendo na mshikamano???

Makundi ya kiimani hayatakiwi kuleta migogoro kisa kuna migogoro ya kikabila.Migogoro tuliyonayo inatutosha kuitatua, so tusiongeze mingine ya kidini.

Mungu hayupo! kama yupo kwanini sijamuona??? kama hakuna haja ya mimi kumwona basi hakuna haja ya mimi kumwamini...kuhusu wanaomwamini hao hawanihusu, nina wachukulia sawa na wale wanao amini kuwa mt Kilimanjaro upo Kenya.

 

[Kiranga]

Since to Jesus the soul of Man worthy more value over the whatever group of swines and here is the notion Jesus shows us how he valued a single soul of madam than the grazed swines for a living.

When the demons begged Jesus to let them go into a herd of pigs, He gave them permission. They entered the pigs, rushed down the steep bank into the lake, and were drowned. Jesus thereby made known His authority and thwarted whatever evil purpose the demons had.

Why the demons begged to be allowed to enter the swine is unclear from the account. It could be because they didn’t want to leave the area where they had been successful in doing their mischief among the people.

Whatever their reasoning, it is clear from the account that demons had little power of their own and were unable to do anything without Jesus’ permission. As Christians, we can take comfort in the knowledge that the forces of the enemy of our souls are under the complete control of God and can only act in ways He allows.

That makes no sense. Why did Jesus not kill the demons so that they would not hurt another being?

Why did God create a universe in which evil can exist if at all he was able to create a universe in which evil cannot exist?

 

[Tiger]

Kenya washaanzisha kitu kama hicho. Ona Atheists In Kenya (AIK)

Atheist group in Kenya tests boundaries of religious tolerance

Atheists In Kenya visit university students

Attorney General Githu Muigai suspends registration of atheists' society

Kenya atheist group claims bias after it was denied recognition

Ha ha haaa! Na hii ya Kenya unaifahamu?
We ni noma. Mi mara nyingi naangalia wageni humu jf wanasema nini, lakini nakukubali umeendelea kuwa na "kiranga".

 

[REDEEMER.]

That makes no sense. Why did Jesus not kill the demons so that they would not hurt another being?

Why did God create a universe in which evil can exist if at all he was able to create a universe in which evil cannot exist?

Demons can't be killed in mortality like the pigs. Demons are the rebel angels and they have their proper demolition during judgement day to let them enter into the pigs was to show how Jesus care about the soul of His child.

God could change everyone’s personality so that they cannot sin. This would also mean that we would not have a free will. We would not be able to choose right or wrong because we would be “programmed” to only do right. Had God chosen to do this, there would be no meaningful relationships between Him and His creation.

Instead, God made Adam and Eve innocent but with the ability to choose good or evil. Because of this, they could respond to His love and trust Him or choose to disobey. They chose to disobey.

 

[REDEEMER.]

Makanisa yanachangisha waumini fedha nyingi ili yajenge mashule, mahosipitali, na mabank lakini gharama za kupata hizo huduma ni kubwa sana.Utakuta mtoto wa muumini anasoma kata sec. lakini mtoto wa mpagani tajiri anasoma shule ya kanisa.

Kuhusu kuwa na umoja, upendo na mshikamano, hata sisi wenyewe tunaweza kufanya hivyo hatuhitaji msaada wa kanisa...kwani kabla makanisa hayajaja hapakuwepo na umoja, amani, upendo na mshikamano???

Makundi ya kiimani hayatakiwi kuleta migogoro kisa kuna migogoro ya kikabila.Migogoro tuliyonayo inatutosha kuitatua, so tusiongeze mingine ya kidini.

Mungu hayupo! kama yupo kwanini sijamuona??? kama hakuna haja ya mimi kumwona basi hakuna haja ya mimi kumwamini...kuhusu wanaomwamini hao hawanihusu, nina wachukulia sawa na wale wanao amini kuwa mt Kilimanjaro upo Kenya.

Umesoma kweli swali langu la kwanza vizuri ulisema unataka kuwafanya watu wafikirie kwa uhuru nikakwambia kwani wakristo wanavyoamini Mungu wanaleta hasara gani katika jamii? Ukaniandikia ulizoandika na me nikakupa hayo niliyokupa kwamba hayo kama unataka watu wasifungwe na imani mbona hayo unayoyasema hata bila imani yanatendeka na mifano nikakuwekea nashangaa hujanielewa.

Kwani wewe unavyoamini hakuna Mungu sio imani hiyo?

 

[ISIS]

I don't want to trust.

I want to know.

Can you prove that your God exists?

I really honour your decision and please do for me too. ..I don't have to explain anything to nobody. ..this is faith it's inside out not outside in....hakuna kubishana au kuelimishana. ...good night rafiki

 

[LadyRed]

Wapumbavu wasema mioyoni mwao ya kua ni hakika hakuna Mungu

 

[Kiranga]

Demons can't be killed in mortality like the pigs. Demons are the rebel angels and they have their proper demolition during judgement day to let them enter into the pigs was to show how Jesus care about the soul of His child.

God could change everyone’s personality so that they cannot sin. This would also mean that we would not have a free will. We would not be able to choose right or wrong because we would be “programmed” to only do right. Had God chosen to do this, there would be no meaningful relationships between Him and His creation.

Instead, God made Adam and Eve innocent but with the ability to choose good or evil. Because of this, they could respond to His love and trust Him or choose to disobey. They chose to disobey.

Do you have free will?

Can you go back to yesterday and change the things you want to change?

You are confusing two questions. You are answering a question I did not ask while not answering the question I asked.

The question I asked is, why did a God who knows everything, has all love and all ability create a universe in which evil is possible?

This question asks about God's reasoning. Any answer that talks about God's creation is a wrong answer. Because the answer will go further than the point I am asking, which is before God created anything. I am asking about God's motives and reasoning before he created anything.

When you are answering that "God could change everyone’s personality so that they cannot sin", when the question is "Why did god create a universe in which sin/ evil is even possible while he could have created a universe in which evil/sin is not possible, like going backwards in time to humans is not possible in this universe?", you are showing me that you did not understand the question to begin with. Either that or you are evading the question asked and answering a question I did not ask.

 

[ISIS]

Habari za kuwepo kwa shetani na mungu ni habari zilizopitwa na wakati. Habari hizi zilikubalika kabla ya "Age of Reason". Baada ya watu kuanza kutumia reason habari hizi zimeonekana kuwa ni mythology zaidi kuliko ukweli.

Kwa upande wako!

 

[Kiranga]

I really honour your decision and please do for me too. ..I don't have to explain anything to nobody. ..this is faith it's inside out not outside in....hakuna kubishana au kuelimishana. ...good night rafiki

Sasa kwa nini ulianza kujibizana nami katika suala ambalo halina kujibizana?

 

[Kiranga]

Kwa upande wako!

Wewe si ushasema hutaki kujibizana kwenye hili?

Ushaghairi?

Hilo jibu ni kwa upande ambao unaepuka logical contradictions na uongo.

 

[Kiranga]

Umesoma kweli swali langu la kwanza vizuri ulisema unataka kuwafanya watu wafikirie kwa uhuru nikakwambia kwani wakristo wanavyoamini Mungu wanaleta hasara gani katika jamii? Ukaniandikia ulizoandika na me nikakupa hayo niliyokupa kwamba hayo kama unataka watu wasifungwe na imani mbona hayo unayoyasema hata bila imani yanatendeka na mifano nikakuwekea nashangaa hujanielewa.

Kwani wewe unavyoamini hakuna Mungu sio imani hiyo?

Mtu akikwambia anaamini jua litachomoza kesho asubuhi na anapanga siku yake ya kesho na mikutano yake ya kazi.

Na mwingine akakwambia hana imani wala hajui kwamba jua litachomoza kesho asubuhi (jua linaweza kupata supenovae likaungua leo ukawa mwisho wa dunia) hivyo haoni haja ya kupanga mambo ya kesho, wote hawa wana imani.

Imani gani unaona inafaa zaidi?

Wewe unajinasibisha na imani gani kati ya hizi mbili? kwa sababu gani?