KAMA NI KWELI MUSA NDO MWANDISHI WA VITABU VITANO VYA BIBLIA KUNA SEHEMU KUNAYUMBA

KAMA NI KWELI MUSA NDO MWANDISHI WA VITABU VITANO VYA BIBLIA KUNA SEHEMU KUNAYUMBA

Da'Vinci said:
Ahsante kama umeelewa kupitia mimi..
Mfano kitabu cha Waebrania kimeandikwa na apolo ila alikua anaandika kwa niaba ya Paulo. Paulo alikua pembeni anamuelekeza andika hiki na hiki
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Nilikuwa sijui hii,
Nilikuwa najua kuwa kuna waandishi , ambao kazi yao maalum kurecord yaliyo jiri ktk agano la kale, huku kwingine agano jipya sikufuatilia
 
KAFA.cOm said:
MUSA KWA MAELEZO YAKE ALIOKOTWA AKIWA MDOGO AKAISHI KWA PHARAO ALAFU AKAWA MKUBWA .... AKAENDA KUWAKOMBOA WAMISRI.....

KUKAA KWA PHARAO HUYU JAMAA ALIKUWA ANAJUA MENGI SANAAAAA... NAISI KUNA UWEZEKANO MUSA ALITUMWA NA HATA NA HUO UFALME....

KWANINI NAWAZA HIVI??

KWA SABABU HADITHI ZA BIBLIA ZINAFANANA KABISA NA ZILE ZA MISRI YAKE.....

HORUS NA YESU NI THE SAME....

NA STORY KIBAO.....ZIKO KATIKA MFANANO....

LIBRARY YA VATICAN INAYAFICHA HAYA KWANI NYARAKA NYINGI ZA KALE ZA EGYPT ZIKO VATICAN.

NATILIA SHAKA NA MAELEZO YA MUSA...View attachment 839141View attachment 839143View attachment 839144
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Lengo ni kuuliza au ulikua unafikisha ujumbe?
 
Kiranga said:
James Kugel

How to Read the Bible

A Guide to Scripture, Then and Now

READ AN EXCERPT

Scholars from different fields have joined forces to reexamine every aspect of the Hebrew Bible. Their research, carried out in universities and seminaries in Europe and America, has revolutionized our understanding of almost every chapter and verse. But have they killed the Bible in the process?

In How to Read the Bible, Harvard professor James Kugel leads the reader chapter by chapter through the “quiet revolution” of recent biblical scholarship, showing time and again how radically the interpretations of today’s researchers differ from what people have always thought. The story of Adam and Eve, it turns out, was not originally about the “Fall of Man,” but about the move from a primitive, hunter-gatherer society to a settled, agricultural one. As for the stories of Cain and Abel, Abraham and Sarah, and Jacob and Esau, these narratives were not, at their origin, about individual people at all but, rather, explanations of some feature of Israelite society as it existed centuries after these figures were said to have lived. Dinah was never raped — her story was created by an editor to solve a certain problem in Genesis. In the earliest version of the Exodus story, Moses probably did not divide the Red Sea in half; instead, the Egyptians perished in a storm at sea. Whatever the original Ten Commandments might have been, scholars are quite sure they were different from the ones we have today. What’s more, the people long supposed to have written various books of the Bible were not, in the current consensus, their real authors: David did not write the Psalms, Solomon did not write Proverbs or Ecclesiastes; indeed, there is scarcely a book in the Bible that is not the product of different, anonymous authors and editors working in different periods.

Such findings pose a serious problem for adherents of traditional, Bible-based faiths. Hiding from the discoveries of modern scholars seems dishonest, but accepting them means undermining much of the Bible’s reliability and authority as the word of God. What to do? In his search for a solution, Kugel leads the reader back to a group of ancient biblical interpreters who flourished at the end of the biblical period. Far from naïve, these interpreters consciously set out to depart from the original meaning of the Bible’s various stories, laws, and prophecies — and they, Kugel argues, hold the key to solving the dilemma of reading the Bible today.

How to Read the Bible is, quite simply, the best, most original book about the Bible in decades. It offers an unflinching, insider’s look at the work of today’s scholars, together with a sustained consideration of what the Bible was for most of its history — before the rise of modern scholarship. Readable, clear, often funny but deeply serious in its purpose, this is a book for Christians and Jews, believers and secularists alike. It offers nothing less than a whole new way of thinking about sacred Scripture.
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Hivi ni vitabu vingapi umewahi kuvisoma ambavyo ni kinyume misimamo yako?ukiacha biblia au Qur'an.
 
Tz mbongo said:
Hivi ni vitabu vingapi umewahi kuvisoma ambavyo ni kinyume misimamo yako?ukiacha biblia au Qur'an.
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Vingi sana, hata hicho kinachambua mambo kwa kuangalia pande tofauti, upande wa imani na wa usomi,hakijaelemea upande mmoja tu.

List ya vitabu nilivyosoma ni ndefu sana na hata sikumbuki vyote maana ni vingi sana, itabidi labda nifike nyumbani nikupe majina, kuna vitabu vya wainjilisti wana imani kali wanatetea kuwepo Mungu sana, nawasoma nao, kwa sababu natakakujua arguments zao.

Nimetokakusoma kitabu cha Muhammad si muda mrefu. Kinaitwa "Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources"
by Martin Lings

Muhammad.jpg


Namsoma sana mwanafalsafa anaitwa Alvin Plantinga, ni mwanafalsafa anayejulikana sana kwa kutetea uwepo wa Mungu, mpaka ameitwa "God's Philosopher"

Alvin Plantinga - Wikipedia

Lakini hakuna aliyepangua "the problem of evil"
 
Divine... said:
Nilikuwa sijui hii,
Nilikuwa najua kuwa kuna waandishi , ambao kazi yao maalum kurecord yaliyo jiri ktk agano la kale, huku kwingine agano jipya sikufuatilia
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Ipo hivo mamii..
Ni kama vile injili ya luka ni mafundisho ya Paulo, injili ya Marko ni mafundisho ya Petro .
 
Da'Vinci said:
Shida ya Thread yako umeuliza swali badala ya kusubiri majibu umrukia kua Vatican inaficha Vitu.
Mkuu Musa hakuandika vitabu vyote vitano pekee yake mengine yalikua ni masimulizi yaliyoandikwa na waandishi miaka mingi baada ya kufariki kisha wakakusanya pamoja na nyalaka zilizoandikwa na Musa.

Kuhusu kujua mengi hata wewe mkuu ukitaka kujua mengi Muombe Mungu akipendezwa nawe atakufunulia mengi tu.
Maarifa na hekima hutoka kwa Mungu
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Hawa wafuasi wa makureshi wanatafuta saana kujihalalisha kwa Biblia!!

Wanatakiwa wakiri tu, kwamba jamani dini yetu haikamiliki bila nyie tunaomba msaada! Watasaidiwa kwa kuwaondoa kwa shetani na kuwabatiza .
 
Mzizi wa Mbuyu said:
Hawa wafuasi wa makureshi wanatafuta saana kujihalalisha kwa Biblia!!

Wanatakiwa wakiri tu, kwamba jamani dini yetu haikamiliki bila nyie tunaomba msaada! Watasaidiwa kwa kuwaondoa kwa shetani na kuwabatiza .
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Yap kiukweli ile dini ni half-replica ya bwana Yesu. Wanajitahi ku C&P kila kitu. Bahati mbaya simulizi zao hazina mpangilio unaoeleweka kwa msomaji aliyekomaa kifikra..
 
Da'Vinci said:
Yap kiukweli ile dini ni half-replica ya bwana Yesu. Wanajitahi ku C&P kila kitu. Bahati mbaya simulizi zao hazina mpangilio unaoeleweka kwa msomaji aliyekomaa kifikra..
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Sasa ukweli huu unawamiza mnoo! Unawasababishia wawe na chuki kuu juu ya ukweli!
 
Kiranga said:
Vingi sana, hata hicho kinachambua mambo kwa kuangalia pande tofauti, upande wa imani na wa usomi,hakijaelemea upande mmoja tu.

List ya vitabu nilivyosoma ni ndefu sana na hata sikumbuki vyote maana ni vingi sana, itabidi labda nifike nyumbani nikupe majina, kuna vitabu vya wainjilisti wana imani kali wanatetea kuwepo Mungu sana, nawasoma nao, kwa sababu natakakujua arguments zao.

Nimetokakusoma kitabu cha Muhammad si muda mrefu. Kinaitwa "Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources"
by Martin Lings

Muhammad.jpg


Namsoma sana mwanafalsafa anaitwa Alvin Plantinga, ni mwanafalsafa anayejulikana sana kwa kutetea uwepo wa Mungu, mpaka ameitwa "God's Philosopher"

Alvin Plantinga - Wikipedia

Lakini hakuna aliyepangua "the problem of evil"
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Nilitaka kujua tu kama huwa unasoma vitabu kama hivyo ambavyo ni tofauti na misimamo yako,ni vizuri kujua kuwa huwa unavisoma.

Kama kuna waliyokuwa wanasema hakuna Mungu ila sasa wanaamini Mungu,hivyo ni wazi hoja walizokuwa nazo wao zilipanguliwa au walikuja kugundua kuwa msingi wa hizo hoja zao ulitokana na ujinga waliyokuwa nao. Kwa hivyo nawe nakushauri uendelee kusoma hivyo vitabu pengine utakuja kupata majibu ya hoja zako(sio kuamini Mungu) kama hao wengine.
 
Tz mbongo said:
Nilitaka kujua tu kama huwa unasoma vitabu kama hivyo ambavyo ni tofauti na misimamo,ni vizuri kujua kuwa huwa unavisoma.

Kama kuna waliyokuwa wanasema hakuna Mungu ila sasa wanaamini Mungu,hivyo ni wazi hoja walizokuwa nazo wao zilipanguliwa au walikuja kugundua kuwa msingi wa hizo hoja zao ulitokana na ujinga waliyokuwa nao. Kwa hivyo nawe nakushauri uendelee kusoma hivyo vitabu pengine utakuja kupata majibu ya hoja zako(sio kuamini Mungu) kama hao wengine.
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Vitabu viko so freaking underwhelming.

Unasoma, unaona hata hao walioandika wenyewe wanakwenda na motions tu.

Ukihoji, unaambiwa amini tu, masuala ya imani si ya kuhoji.

Kamsome James Kugel katika kitabu nilichokiweka hapo juu.

The problem of evil proves that an omnipotent, omniscient and omni benevolent godhead is pure human fantasy.Period.
 
Da'Vinci said:
Hakuna mtu anayechukiwa kama mtu anayeongea ukweli..
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Kwahiyo mkuu unasema kwamba watu wanawapenda wale wenye kuwaongopea na huku wakijua ni uongo,kuliko wanavyowapenda wale wenye kusema ukweli na huku wakijua kuwa huu ni ukweli?
 
Tz mbongo said:
Kwahiyo mkuu unasema kwamba watu wanawapenda wale wenye kuwaongopea na huku wakijua ni uongo,kuliko wanavyowapenda wale wenye kusema ukweli na huku wakijua kuwa huu ni ukweli?
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Kamwambie ukweli magu kua anaenda vibaya kiuongozi uone itakua vipi
 
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