KAMA NI KWELI MUSA NDO MWANDISHI WA VITABU VITANO VYA BIBLIA KUNA SEHEMU KUNAYUMBA

KAMA NI KWELI MUSA NDO MWANDISHI WA VITABU VITANO VYA BIBLIA KUNA SEHEMU KUNAYUMBA

Kiranga said:
Vitabu viko so freaking underwhelming.

Unasoma, unaona hata hao walioandika wenyewe wanakwenda na motions tu.

Ukihoji, unaambiwa amini tu, masuala ya imani si ya kuhoji.

Kamsome James Kugel katika kitabu nilichokiweka hapo juu.

The problem of evil proves that an omnipotent, omniscient and omni benevolent godhead is pure human fantasy.Period.
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Unasema unasoma vitabu vingi na tofauti tofauti ila vile unavyokuja kupendekeza hapa watu wakavisome ni vile tu ambavyo vinaendana na misimamo yako au tuseme vinaonesha mapungufu ya imani za dini au Mungu.

Wewe unavyovisoma hivyo vitabu na unavyovichukulia usifikiri na wengine na wengine watavichukulia kama wewe,nimeeleza kuwa kuna watu waliyokuwa na misimamo ya kuwa hakuna Mungu na baadaye wakaja kuamini Mungu,si kwamba hawakuwa na hoja kama hizo walikuwa nazo.

Ukichunguza vizuri hili suala la kuamini au kutoamini Mungu ni zaidi ya sababu tunazofikiri ndio chanzo cha kuamini au kutoamini,ndio maana nikakwambia wewe endelea kusoma pengine utakuja kupata majibu ya hoja zako au kuona tatizo la msingi katika hizo hoja.
 
Kiranga said:
Vitabu viko so freaking underwhelming.

Unasoma, unaona hata hao walioandika wenyewe wanakwenda na motions tu.

Ukihoji, unaambiwa amini tu, masuala ya imani si ya kuhoji.

Kamsome James Kugel katika kitabu nilichokiweka hapo juu.

The problem of evil proves that an omnipotent, omniscient and omni benevolent godhead is pure human fantasy.Period.
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Ninachojua in 5000 yes to come hizi dini zitafutika zitakuja dini nyingine.. Maana huo wakati binadamu wataweza kupambana na uzee na kifo sasa utamwambia nini kuhusu afterlife sana sana zitakuja dini Mpya kulingana na shida zisizokuwa na majibu enzi hizo
 
Da'Vinci said:
Kamwambie ukweli magu kua anaenda vibaya kiuongozi uone itakua vipi
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Tukimzungumzia Magu haitasaidia,maana hata huyo Magu ameshawatumbua sana waliyokuwa wakifanya udanganyifu,sasa hapo utasemaje?
 
edwayne said:
Ninachojua in 5000 yes to come hizi dini zitafutika zitakuja dini nyingine.. Maana huo wakati binadamu wataweza kupambana na uzee na kifo sasa utamwambia nini kuhusu afterlife sana sana zitakuja dini Mpya kulingana na shida zisizokuwa na majibu enzi hizo
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Hata sababu ya kuja kwa mitume kwenye hizo dini ni kwa sababu watu walikuwa wameacha au kusahau mafundisho,sasa toka hizi dini zianze hadi leo kuna changamoto ngapi lakini hadi leo bado dini zipo?
 
Tz mbongo said:
Hata sababu ya kuja kwa mitume kwenye hizo dini ni kwa sababu watu walikuwa wameacha au kusahau mafundisho,sasa toka hizi dini zianze hadi leo kuna changamoto ngapi lakini hadi leo bado dini zipo?
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mafundisho yapi huvu unajua duniani kulikua na specie nyingine ya mwanadamu sema imefutika sasa nani alikua wa kwanza kuumbwa sisi au wao... dini ni imagination na hiyo imagination inatufanya tuachive vitu vikubwa sisi binadamu
 
edwayne said:
mafundisho yapi huvu unajua duniani kulikua na specie nyingine ya mwanadamu sema imefutika sasa nani alikua wa kwanza kuumbwa sisi au wao... dini ni imagination na hiyo imagination inatufanya tuachive vitu vikubwa sisi binadamu
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Sijakupata vizuri mkuu.
 
Otorong'ong'o said:
Musa hajawai kuandika kitabu hata kimoja..


Nitakuja na maelezo
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Sawa Mkuu, ukipata muda njoo na maelezo ili tubadilishane ujuzi ; Kwa jinsi ninavyo elewa Musa aliandika Vitabu 4 vilivyokamilika na 1 aliandika nusu, nusu nyingine ikamaliziwa na Joshua.
Vitabu viinne ni Mwanzo,Kutoka ,Mambo ya Walawi na Hesabu. Kitabu alichoandika kikaishia katikati ni Kumbukumbu ya Torati .

- Tuanza na kitabu cha hesabu,
Hesabu 33:2 Musa akaandika jinsi walivyotoka katika safari zao, kwa amri ya BWANA; na hizi ndizo safari zao kama kutoka kwao kulivyokuwa.

2: Kumbukumbu la Totati
-Kumbukumbu la Torati 31:9 Musa akaiandika torati hii, akawapa makuhani, wana wa Lawi, waliolichukua sanduku la agano la BWANA, na wazee wote wa Israeli.

3: Kutoka
-Kutoka 24:4 Basi Musa akayaandika maneno yote ya BWANA, akaondoka asubuhi na mapema, akajenga madhabahu chini ya mlima, na nguzo kumi na mbili, kwa hesabu ya kabila kumi na mbili za Israeli,

-Kut 34:27 BWANA akamwambia Musa, Andika maneno haya; kwa kuwa mimi nimefanya agano nawe, na pamoja na Israeli, kwa mujibu wa maneno haya.

4: Bwana Yesu Kristo wa Nazareth alithibitisha Musa kuandika Torati.
-Luka 24:44 Kisha akawaambia, Hayo ndiyo maneno yangu niliyowaambia nilipokuwa nikali pamoja nanyi, ya kwamba ni lazima yatimizwe yote niliyoandikiwa katika TORATI ya Musa, na katika Manabii na Zaburi.

Yohana 5:46 Kwa maana kama mngalimwamini Musa, mngeniamini mimi; kwa sababu yeye ALIANDIKA habari zangu.
Yohana 5:47 Lakini msipoyaamini maandiko yake, mtayaamini wapi maneno yangu?

- Ukisoma kifungu hiki pua utaona Musa aliandika Torati.
Yohana 1:45 Filipo akamwona Nathanaeli, akamwambia, Tumemwona yeye ALIYEANDIKWA na MUSA KATIKA TORATI, na manabii, Yesu, mwana wa Yusufu, mtu wa Nazareti.
 
bible stories are nothing but a copy and paste from the egyptian book of the dead
 
Kiranga said:
James Kugel

How to Read the Bible

A Guide to Scripture, Then and Now

READ AN EXCERPT

Scholars from different fields have joined forces to reexamine every aspect of the Hebrew Bible. Their research, carried out in universities and seminaries in Europe and America, has revolutionized our understanding of almost every chapter and verse. But have they killed the Bible in the process?

In How to Read the Bible, Harvard professor James Kugel leads the reader chapter by chapter through the “quiet revolution” of recent biblical scholarship, showing time and again how radically the interpretations of today’s researchers differ from what people have always thought. The story of Adam and Eve, it turns out, was not originally about the “Fall of Man,” but about the move from a primitive, hunter-gatherer society to a settled, agricultural one. As for the stories of Cain and Abel, Abraham and Sarah, and Jacob and Esau, these narratives were not, at their origin, about individual people at all but, rather, explanations of some feature of Israelite society as it existed centuries after these figures were said to have lived. Dinah was never raped — her story was created by an editor to solve a certain problem in Genesis. In the earliest version of the Exodus story, Moses probably did not divide the Red Sea in half; instead, the Egyptians perished in a storm at sea. Whatever the original Ten Commandments might have been, scholars are quite sure they were different from the ones we have today. What’s more, the people long supposed to have written various books of the Bible were not, in the current consensus, their real authors: David did not write the Psalms, Solomon did not write Proverbs or Ecclesiastes; indeed, there is scarcely a book in the Bible that is not the product of different, anonymous authors and editors working in different periods.

Such findings pose a serious problem for adherents of traditional, Bible-based faiths. Hiding from the discoveries of modern scholars seems dishonest, but accepting them means undermining much of the Bible’s reliability and authority as the word of God. What to do? In his search for a solution, Kugel leads the reader back to a group of ancient biblical interpreters who flourished at the end of the biblical period. Far from naïve, these interpreters consciously set out to depart from the original meaning of the Bible’s various stories, laws, and prophecies — and they, Kugel argues, hold the key to solving the dilemma of reading the Bible today.

How to Read the Bible is, quite simply, the best, most original book about the Bible in decades. It offers an unflinching, insider’s look at the work of today’s scholars, together with a sustained consideration of what the Bible was for most of its history — before the rise of modern scholarship. Readable, clear, often funny but deeply serious in its purpose, this is a book for Christians and Jews, believers and secularists alike. It offers nothing less than a whole new way of thinking about sacred Scripture.
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Mkuu Kiranga unayo soft copy ya hiki kitabu unisogezee
 
jopss said:
Sawa Mkuu, ukipata muda njoo na maelezo ili tubadilishane ujuzi ; Kwa jinsi ninavyo elewa Musa aliandika Vitabu 4 vilivyokamilika na 1 aliandika nusu, nusu nyingine ikamaliziwa na Joshua.
Vitabu viinne ni Mwanzo,Kutoka ,Mambo ya Walawi na Hesabu. Kitabu alichoandika kikaishia katikati ni Kumbukumbu ya Torati .

- Tuanza na kitabu cha hesabu,
Hesabu 33:2 Musa akaandika jinsi walivyotoka katika safari zao, kwa amri ya BWANA; na hizi ndizo safari zao kama kutoka kwao kulivyokuwa.

2: Kumbukumbu la Totati
-Kumbukumbu la Torati 31:9 Musa akaiandika torati hii, akawapa makuhani, wana wa Lawi, waliolichukua sanduku la agano la BWANA, na wazee wote wa Israeli.

3: Kutoka
-Kutoka 24:4 Basi Musa akayaandika maneno yote ya BWANA, akaondoka asubuhi na mapema, akajenga madhabahu chini ya mlima, na nguzo kumi na mbili, kwa hesabu ya kabila kumi na mbili za Israeli,

-Kut 34:27 BWANA akamwambia Musa, Andika maneno haya; kwa kuwa mimi nimefanya agano nawe, na pamoja na Israeli, kwa mujibu wa maneno haya.

4: Bwana Yesu Kristo wa Nazareth alithibitisha Musa kuandika Torati.
-Luka 24:44 Kisha akawaambia, Hayo ndiyo maneno yangu niliyowaambia nilipokuwa nikali pamoja nanyi, ya kwamba ni lazima yatimizwe yote niliyoandikiwa katika TORATI ya Musa, na katika Manabii na Zaburi.

Yohana 5:46 Kwa maana kama mngalimwamini Musa, mngeniamini mimi; kwa sababu yeye ALIANDIKA habari zangu.
Yohana 5:47 Lakini msipoyaamini maandiko yake, mtayaamini wapi maneno yangu?

- Ukisoma kifungu hiki pua utaona Musa aliandika Torati.
Yohana 1:45 Filipo akamwona Nathanaeli, akamwambia, Tumemwona yeye ALIYEANDIKWA na MUSA KATIKA TORATI, na manabii, Yesu, mwana wa Yusufu, mtu wa Nazareti.
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Mkuu kitabu cha mwanzo kimeandikwa 600 BC wakati Mussa ameishi miaka zaida ya 1490 BC.... Wanatheolojia wanakubali kuwa mussa amechangia data kwenye hizo pentateuch lakini yeye kama yye hakuandika ni sawa tu na kitabu cha Isaya au barua za paulo sura nyingi ziliongezwa ama kuandikwa na wafuasi wao ila majina ya vitabu walipewa wao maana ndio walikuwa wana credibility kuliko hao wafuasi. Pia kuhusu Yesu kusema Mussa aliandika sio necessarily lazima iwe Vitabu vya kwenye biblia huenda aliandika tu machapisho ambayo ndio wayahudi miaka ya 600BC wakatumia kucompile vitabu vile 5 vya kwanza vya biblia. Tafiti zaidi kuhusu mosaic authorship utagundua kitu flani hapa mkuu.
 
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