Kenya asks UN to end Uhuru, Ruto ICC trial

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Kenya asks UN to end Uhuru, Ruto ICC trial

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Deputy President William Ruto (left) and President Uhuru Kenyatta at a past function. Kenya is calling for the termination of crimes against humanity charges facing President Kenyatta and Mr Ruto at the International Criminal Court May 8, 2013. FILE NATION MEDIA GROUP

By PATRICK MAYOYO and DAVE OPIYO
Posted Thursday, May 9 2013 at 09:15


Kenya is calling for the termination of crimes against humanity charges facing President Uhuru Kenyatta and Deputy President William Ruto at the International Criminal Court.

Former radio journalist Joshua Sang is the other Kenyan set to stand trial.

In a strongly worded statement to the United Nations Security Council through Kenya's Permanent Representative to the UN Macharia Kamau, the government asked the UN to present its petition to ICC during a meeting with The Hague court prosecutor held on Tuesday.

"What this delegation is asking for is not deferral. What this delegation is asking for is the immediate termination of the case at the Hague without much further ado," the petition says in part.

The statement warned that violence could break out in Kenya that would affect stability in the entire region if President Kenyatta and Mr Ruto were forced to attend trial at The Hague after having secured endorsement of the people in an election despite the charges facing them.

The petition questioned the jurisdiction, partiality and competence of the ICC, expressing the government's reservations over the manner in which the cases facing the three have been handled.

Hot on the heels

Kenya argues that the proceedings against President Kenyatta, Mr Ruto and Mr Sang are misplaced in light of the prevailing circumstances and lack of cogent evidence to back the charges.

"The original claims might have been false and or manufactured. It has since come to light that the evidence could be tainted and or procured through inducement and or corrupt measures," Mr Kamau said in a the confidential letter to Mr Menan Kodjo, the President of the UN Security Council.

The two leaders and Mr Sang are facing charges of crimes against humanity arising from the 2007-2008 post-election violence that led to the death of 1,133 people and 650,000 rendered homeless.

Mr Kamau's letter comes hot on the heels of a similar attack by his deputy Koki Muli Grignon, who last month questioned the courts performance at the UN General Assembly.

Ms Grignon stated that continued intervention by the ICC would jeopardise peace, stability and efforts at communal reconciliation in Kenya.

"Punitive vengeance in the name of justice cannot be a means to reconciliation; it instead festers quietly until … it explodes," Ms Grignon declared.

Mr Kamau adds President Kenyatta and MNr Ruto "who are under question before the Court have not only been the greatest agents of cohesion and but have been at the forefront and are the glue that binds the country during the election and transition period".

It adds that continuation of the case is not in the interest of peace and justice in Kenya, concluding that the absence of the ICC suspects from the country may undermine the prevailing peace not only in Kenya, but across the region.

"It is a fact that the very suspects who are being prosecuted and suffice to say have received overwhelming support from the citizens of Kenya in the just concluded 4th March 2013 elections," the petition notes.

It adds that the support President Kenyatta and his deputy received during elections suggest that Kenyans are ready for them to be their political masters.

"This mandate was received from the Kenyan public in exercise of their inalienable democratic rights and civic duty," Mr Kamau observes.

Kenya adds that the manner in which the cases are being conducted is neither impartial nor independent. "There is no demonstrable intent from this conduct to show that the main purpose of the proceedings is to bring justice," Mr Kamau says.

Kenya's attempts to have the cases facing President Kenyatta, Mr Ruto and Mr Sang at the ICC deferred or terminated have centred on challenging the court's jurisdictions over the cases and in convincing the UN Security Council to postpone and return the cases to Kenya.

The twin assaults begun immediately after the naming on 15 December 2010 of six Kenyans as suspected perpetrators of the killings which claimed more than 1,300 Kenyans and displaced more than 500, 000 others.

The first round of diplomacy, which was led by then Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka, targeted African countries and it succeeded in persuading the African Union to accept to its request of a deferral.

Lobby super powers

Then in February 2011, Mr Musyoka left for Beijing to lobby China's support for a 12-month deferral even as former Agriculture Minister and diplomat, Dr Sally Kosgei, was dispatched to Brazil and Washington to lobby super powers to support Kenya's bid to compel ICC to defer the cases to give the country a chance to establish special judicial process to prosecute the post-election violence suspects.

Then Attorney General Amos Wako in March 2011 filed an application at the International Criminal Court challenging cases facing six Kenyans summoned to make an initial appearance at The Hague.

The government hired British lawyers Geoffrey Nice and Rodney Dixon to handle the suit. It lost the case.

On April 26, the East African Legislative Assembly, passed a resolution urging the EAC Council of Ministers to implore the ICC to transfer the cases to the East African Court of Justice (EACJ).

The accused have also been calling for deferral of the cases citing inclusion of evidence from five new witnesses and the shortage of time for the defence to prepare its case.

The trial date for Mr Ruto and Joshua Sang has since been put off.

On Tuesday, Mr Kamau said the election of President Kenyatta and his Deputy William Ruto sent a clear message to the world that the two persons were not only innocent but also deserving of the highest office of the land.

Mr Kamau said the incoming administration should be given a chance to start off without the 'yoke and burden of the past fettering their action.'

The envoy said the country's top leadership cannot be expected to effectively perform their duties in an orderly manner 'in the face of an offshore trail that has no popular resonance and that serves no national or international purpose.'

"Neither can the state be expected to be orderly under such circumstances," he said.

"The UNSC must therefore play its role and bring this matter to a halt…we ask it to take the much needed political stance that Kenya must be given the time and opportunity to apply the principal of pre- eminence of National Courts," added Mr Kamau.

"The UNSC also has a duty and obligation to assist Kenya overcome this serious politically sensitive and potentially destabilising situation," he went on pointing out that the two cases before The Hague based court were crumbling fast.

He said the UNSC needs to take 'bold and decisive' steps to ensure that Justice is done and the same is achieved within the confines of the Rome Statute.

The envoy asked 'friendly nations' in the UN Security Council to use their good offices and prevail upon the ICC to reconsider the Kenyan cases.

"Our hope is that the friendly nations will see the merit in our case and understand the urgency and gravity of the situation we face," said Mr Kamau, "It is an affront to the exercise of democratic space in a sovereign nation".

He said Kenya had made unprecedented steps in improving its governance systems and institutions over the last two and a half years, including the adoption of a new constitution.

He said the ICC should be regarded, she declared, as "the court of last resort" and suggested repeatedly that Kenyan institutions were capable of delivering justice impartially.

Kenya asks UN to end Uhuru, Ruto ICC trial - Politics - nation.co.ke
 
Ruto naye kachomoa kuhusiana na hii barua...


Ruto denies bid to halt ICC trials


By PATRICK MAYOYO pmayoyo@ke.nationmedia.com
Posted Thursday, May 9 2013 at 23:30



In Summary


  • Lawyer says the Deputy President was not consulted on decision to petition the UN

Deputy President William Ruto’s lawyer on Thursday distanced himself from plans by the government to terminate crimes against humanity charges facing him, President Uhuru Kenyatta and radio presenter Joshua arap Sang at the International Criminal Court.

Lawyer Karim Khan said Mr Ruto was not consulted on the matter.

On Tuesday, Kenya’s permanent representative to the UN Macharia Kamau petitioned the United Nations Security Council to terminate crimes against humanity charges facing the three.

Mr Khan said Mr Ruto had cooperated with ICC since his case started and he would continue doing so.

“I have spoken to my client, His Excellency the Deputy President of the Republic of Kenya, Mr William Ruto, and I can confirm and he has made clear that he was not consulted on anything to do with New York. A letter being circulated is not government policy,” Mr Khan said in a telephone interview.

He said it was important to underline that Mr Ruto has cooperated with the ICC before the summons against him were issued, after they were issued, and he is currently cooperating and will respect all orders and directives of the ICC.

“His Excellency the Deputy President believes in the rule of law and he believes in Kenya observing its international obligations,” he added.

Judges impartial

The lawyer said Mr Ruto expressed confidence in the ICC judges and believe they are impartial.

“Of course we vigorously deny all the prosecution allegations against the Deputy President. We say that investigations were inefficient, some witnesses are telling clear lies and lie in some accounts and that the narrative of the prosecution will not withstand scrutiny,” he noted.

In a petition to the UN Security Council on May 2, Kenya asked for the termination of the cases on the grounds that the charges were not fair. The security council is expected to meet ICC prosecutor Fatou Bensouda over the petition.

However on Wednesday while arguing the Libyan case, Ms Bensouda told the council that the “ICC will not shy away from investigating individuals for any alleged crimes irrespective of their status.”

She was responding to comments by Rwandan ambassador to the UN Eugene-Richard Gasana urging the council to act on Kenya’s letter.

“In this regard, even the signatories of the Rome Statute have recently expressed concerns on that Court. I may recall the note verbale dated Thursday 2 May 2013 addressed by the Kenya Mission to the Security Council, containing a compelling case against the methods of work of the Office of the Prosecutor, on the Kenyan cases. This was also pointed out by a judge of the ICC, who recently resigned,” Mr Gasana said.

However, Ms Bensouda said she could not respond on the claims because they had not been officially lodged with her office.

“The letter referred to by the Permanent Representative of Rwanda has not been transmitted to us. We therefore reserve our right to respond to it in detail in due course and we hope that will be given that opportunity once it has been transmitted to us.”

Questioned jurisdiction

In its statement, the Kenyan mission had said: “What this delegation is asking for is not deferral. What this delegation is asking for is the immediate termination of the case in The Hague without much further ado.”

The statement warned that violence might break out in Kenya and affect stability in the entire region if President Kenyatta and Mr Ruto were forced to attend trial in The Hague after having secured endorsement of Kenyans in the March 4 elections despite the charges facing them.

The petition questioned the jurisdiction, partiality and competence of the ICC, expressing the government’s reservations over the manner in which the cases facing the three had been handled.

But in a terse rejoinder, Ms Bensouda said: “I reject as an unfounded attempt to discredit the work of the International Criminal Court any insinuation that the assignment of the Judge Christine Van de Wyngaert has anything to do with the working methods of the Office of the Prosecutor or the Court as a whole.”

Kenya argues the proceedings against President Kenyatta, Mr Ruto and Mr Sang are misplaced in light of the prevailing circumstances and lack of cogent evidence to back the charges.

“The original claims might have been false and or manufactured. It has since come to light that the evidence could be tainted and or procured through inducement and or corrupt measures,” Mr Kamau said in a confidential letter to Mr Menan Kodjo, the president of the UN Security Council.

Ruto denies bid to halt ICC trials - Politics - nation.co.ke
 
Kenya asks UN to end Uhuru, Ruto ICC trial

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Deputy President William Ruto (left) and President Uhuru Kenyatta at a past function. Kenya is calling for the termination of crimes against humanity charges facing President Kenyatta and Mr Ruto at the International Criminal Court May 8, 2013. FILE NATION MEDIA GROUP

By PATRICK MAYOYO and DAVE OPIYO
Posted Thursday, May 9 2013 at 09:15


Kenya is calling for the termination of crimes against humanity charges facing President Uhuru Kenyatta and Deputy President William Ruto at the International Criminal Court.

Former radio journalist Joshua Sang is the other Kenyan set to stand trial.

In a strongly worded statement to the United Nations Security Council through Kenya’s Permanent Representative to the UN Macharia Kamau, the government asked the UN to present its petition to ICC during a meeting with The Hague court prosecutor held on Tuesday.

“What this delegation is asking for is not deferral. What this delegation is asking for is the immediate termination of the case at the Hague without much further ado,” the petition says in part.

The statement warned that violence could break out in Kenya that would affect stability in the entire region if President Kenyatta and Mr Ruto were forced to attend trial at The Hague after having secured endorsement of the people in an election despite the charges facing them.

The petition questioned the jurisdiction, partiality and competence of the ICC, expressing the government’s reservations over the manner in which the cases facing the three have been handled.

Hot on the heels

Kenya argues that the proceedings against President Kenyatta, Mr Ruto and Mr Sang are misplaced in light of the prevailing circumstances and lack of cogent evidence to back the charges.

“The original claims might have been false and or manufactured. It has since come to light that the evidence could be tainted and or procured through inducement and or corrupt measures,” Mr Kamau said in a the confidential letter to Mr Menan Kodjo, the President of the UN Security Council.

The two leaders and Mr Sang are facing charges of crimes against humanity arising from the 2007-2008 post-election violence that led to the death of 1,133 people and 650,000 rendered homeless.

Mr Kamau’s letter comes hot on the heels of a similar attack by his deputy Koki Muli Grignon, who last month questioned the courts performance at the UN General Assembly.

Ms Grignon stated that continued intervention by the ICC would jeopardise peace, stability and efforts at communal reconciliation in Kenya.

“Punitive vengeance in the name of justice cannot be a means to reconciliation; it instead festers quietly until … it explodes,” Ms Grignon declared.

Mr Kamau adds President Kenyatta and MNr Ruto “who are under question before the Court have not only been the greatest agents of cohesion and but have been at the forefront and are the glue that binds the country during the election and transition period”.

It adds that continuation of the case is not in the interest of peace and justice in Kenya, concluding that the absence of the ICC suspects from the country may undermine the prevailing peace not only in Kenya, but across the region.

“It is a fact that the very suspects who are being prosecuted and suffice to say have received overwhelming support from the citizens of Kenya in the just concluded 4th March 2013 elections,” the petition notes.

It adds that the support President Kenyatta and his deputy received during elections suggest that Kenyans are ready for them to be their political masters.

“This mandate was received from the Kenyan public in exercise of their inalienable democratic rights and civic duty,” Mr Kamau observes.

Kenya adds that the manner in which the cases are being conducted is neither impartial nor independent. “There is no demonstrable intent from this conduct to show that the main purpose of the proceedings is to bring justice,” Mr Kamau says.

Kenya’s attempts to have the cases facing President Kenyatta, Mr Ruto and Mr Sang at the ICC deferred or terminated have centred on challenging the court’s jurisdictions over the cases and in convincing the UN Security Council to postpone and return the cases to Kenya.

The twin assaults begun immediately after the naming on 15 December 2010 of six Kenyans as suspected perpetrators of the killings which claimed more than 1,300 Kenyans and displaced more than 500, 000 others.

The first round of diplomacy, which was led by then Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka, targeted African countries and it succeeded in persuading the African Union to accept to its request of a deferral.

Lobby super powers

Then in February 2011, Mr Musyoka left for Beijing to lobby China’s support for a 12-month deferral even as former Agriculture Minister and diplomat, Dr Sally Kosgei, was dispatched to Brazil and Washington to lobby super powers to support Kenya’s bid to compel ICC to defer the cases to give the country a chance to establish special judicial process to prosecute the post-election violence suspects.

Then Attorney General Amos Wako in March 2011 filed an application at the International Criminal Court challenging cases facing six Kenyans summoned to make an initial appearance at The Hague.

The government hired British lawyers Geoffrey Nice and Rodney Dixon to handle the suit. It lost the case.

On April 26, the East African Legislative Assembly, passed a resolution urging the EAC Council of Ministers to implore the ICC to transfer the cases to the East African Court of Justice (EACJ).

The accused have also been calling for deferral of the cases citing inclusion of evidence from five new witnesses and the shortage of time for the defence to prepare its case.

The trial date for Mr Ruto and Joshua Sang has since been put off.

On Tuesday, Mr Kamau said the election of President Kenyatta and his Deputy William Ruto sent a clear message to the world that the two persons were not only innocent but also deserving of the highest office of the land.

Mr Kamau said the incoming administration should be given a chance to start off without the 'yoke and burden of the past fettering their action.’

The envoy said the country’s top leadership cannot be expected to effectively perform their duties in an orderly manner 'in the face of an offshore trail that has no popular resonance and that serves no national or international purpose.’

“Neither can the state be expected to be orderly under such circumstances,” he said.

"The UNSC must therefore play its role and bring this matter to a halt…we ask it to take the much needed political stance that Kenya must be given the time and opportunity to apply the principal of pre- eminence of National Courts,” added Mr Kamau.

“The UNSC also has a duty and obligation to assist Kenya overcome this serious politically sensitive and potentially destabilising situation,” he went on pointing out that the two cases before The Hague based court were crumbling fast.

He said the UNSC needs to take 'bold and decisive’ steps to ensure that Justice is done and the same is achieved within the confines of the Rome Statute.

The envoy asked 'friendly nations’ in the UN Security Council to use their good offices and prevail upon the ICC to reconsider the Kenyan cases.

“Our hope is that the friendly nations will see the merit in our case and understand the urgency and gravity of the situation we face,” said Mr Kamau, “It is an affront to the exercise of democratic space in a sovereign nation”.

He said Kenya had made unprecedented steps in improving its governance systems and institutions over the last two and a half years, including the adoption of a new constitution.

He said the ICC should be regarded, she declared, as “the court of last resort” and suggested repeatedly that Kenyan institutions were capable of delivering justice impartially.

Kenya asks UN to end Uhuru, Ruto ICC trial - Politics - nation.co.ke

Huyu Amb Kamau kwa kusema ni matakwa ya Kenya wakati VP ambaye ni mtuhumiwa na namba 2/ GoK kukana ni ishara ya mgawanyiko; hasa kama UK hatachukua hatua sawa na VP. Kumbuka "Kamau" ni sehemu ya upande mmoja wa walioathiriwa na upande wa pili wa VP aliyekana kuhusishwa.
Lingine baya zaidi katika madai ya Amb Kamau ni kuiponda ICC; ambayo ni kuwaponda "wakubwa"ambao ndiyo wenye ICC, na wenye kushika mpini wakati UK na WR kushika upande wa makali; jambo linaloweza kulikoroga zaidi
Zaidi sana Amb Kamau hakusema kama walioathirika wamekubali mawazo haya wakati Kenya kuna tume kibao kwa ajili ya maridhiano kufuatia mauaji ya kikabila kati ya kabila la UK na kabila la WR 2007/8.
Ngoja tusubiri jibu la UNSC na majibu ya ICC; wakati huo huo tukisubiri majibu ya UK kama atasema lolote au kunyamazia hili; ambalo VP kny serikali ya K kasema hakupewa nafasi ya kutolea maoni.
Ngoma nzito hii!!!!!!!!!!
 
Come 09th July,2013 Uhuru&Rutto will Join Ntaganda in the Cell, I wonder that you promised to cooperate with the ICC and now you are very busy destroying witness/evidence and seeking mercy from the UN, remember the world is not ready to entertain human right vialetors anymore, Yes we respect kenyans for their choice and now let the ICC work. If the UN considers the requests of Kenyatta/Rutto we should expect many human violetions in the world especially in Africa, and when the suspects are submitted to the ICC they try their harder to win presidential elections and they seek UN for mercy.My fellow africans, we should no longer allow the ''ends to justify the means'', the court is not ther for poor and powerless, let them face justice and get shame when they attend court so that other politicians to get lesson that they should not violate human right in their struggle for power, I doubt that some kenyan's cheat the other citizens that '' let forget the past'' , Just imagine how many kenyans are homeless as a result of the post election violence? how many died?
 
Come 09th July,2013 Uhuru&Rutto will Join Ntaganda in the Cell, I wonder that you promised to cooperate with the ICC and now you are very busy destroying witness/evidence and seeking mercy from the UN, remember the world is not ready to entertain human right vialetors anymore, Yes we respect kenyans for their choice and now let the ICC work. If the UN considers the requests of Kenyatta/Rutto we should expect many human violetions in the world especially in Africa, and when the suspects are submitted to the ICC they try their harder to win presidential elections and they seek UN for mercy.My fellow africans, we should no longer allow the ''ends to justify the means'', the court is not ther for poor and powerless, let them face justice and get shame when they attend court so that other politicians to get lesson that they should not violate human right in their struggle for power, I doubt that some kenyan's cheat the other citizens that '' let forget the past'' , Just imagine how many kenyans are homeless as a result of the post election violence? how many died?

You are mixing issues, first Uhuru and Ruto cases start on different dates and not the same date of July 9th as you purport above. Second, the two committed to work with ICC whether they won or lost the elections. This position has not changed. Where did you read the contrary? Third, the request to the UN is by the Kenya government and not by Uhuru or Ruto? Where does it say that these two requested the UN?
 
Duh kumbe mbio zote za kukalia kiti cha enzi ilikuwa janja ya kuifuta hii kesi ha ha ha ha waKenya wameliwa mchana kweupe.
 
You are mixing issues, first Uhuru and Ruto cases start on different dates and not the same date of July 9th as you purport above. Second, the two committed to work with ICC whether they won or lost the elections. This position has not changed. Where did you read the contrary? Third, the request to the UN is by the Kenya government and not by Uhuru or Ruto? Where does it say that these two requested the UN?
Koborer,

I need a clarification here my comrade...Who is Kenya?
 
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Duh kumbe mbio zote za kukalia kiti cha enzi ilikuwa janja ya kuifuta hii kesi ha ha ha ha waKenya wameliwa mchana kweupe.

Kumbe umeona eh...afu sasa angalia aliyeenda kulalamika huko UN...anamtetea Uhuru Kenyatta na sio Ruto...nd'o
maana Ruto kachomoa kuhusu hio barua. Hii ishu ndo itafanya tujue ukweli wa mbivu na mbichi baina ya hawa ma-amigo
wawili.
 
BOOOM!!!!

"The mystery on a letter petitioning the United Nations to terminate the ICC charges facing President Uhuru Kenyatta and Deputy President William Ruto threatens to be the biggest test to face their Jubilee government."


"The chief government legal adviser could neither deny nor confirm if the President was aware of the letter."


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"Multiple sources told Saturday Nation the letter by Kenya’s ambassador to UN Macharia Kamau on May 2 was traced to senior civil servants in the Kibaki administration."

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Last evening, questions were still lingering on who authorised Mr Kamau to write the letter and whether Mr Ruto’s denouncement signified a split between the two men over the strategy of handling the cases facing them at the International Criminal Court.

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Mystery of ICC letter as prosecutor answers Uhuru - Politics - nation.co.ke
 
Koborer,

I need a clarification here my comrade...Who is Kenya?

Kenya is everybody including you and me (that is if you are Kenyan). My point is the fact that some envoy drafted and sent a letter to the UN should not necessarily be blamed on Uhuru or Ruto even though i' am sure it had the blessings of one of them.
 
Kenya is everybody including you and me (that is if you are Kenyan). My point is the fact that some envoy drafted and sent a letter to the UN should not necessarily be blamed on Uhuru or Ruto even though i' am sure it had the blessings of one of them.

Nobody is blaming Uhuru or Ruto about this letter by the way.

When I asked you that question I had this deep hunch that hii barua italeta shida na watu wataruka. That is exactly what has happened. This letter is from one individual or several and it is not from Kenyans or Kenya as that envoy is tryna purport.
 
Hawa sasa wanataka kufanya kazi ya ziada kuyashusha maji mlima, in the process creating an unnecessary backlash that may even prove counterproductive.

As it stands hii kesi inakufa.

Kuanza kufanya kampeni za wazi kama hizi kutaka iuawe ni kutaka kuifanya iendelee.
 
Kazi imeanza.

Yaani Urais utumiwe kuwa licence to kill?

Haitakuwa sahihi na UN hawawezi kukubali.

Naamini aliyendika barua hiyo anajua wazi kuwa UN haiwezi kukubali ila kuna mchezo fulani anaucheza. Nawahakikishia kuwa lengo la hii barua sio kufuta mashitaka ila ni kuchochea mjadala ambao utainfluence jinsi kesi inavyoendeshwa.
 
Hi, Ab-T habari za siku? Mkuu hebu soma kitu hii hapa - sina shaka huko well informed kuhusu ili jambo lakini kwa manufaa ya wasomaji sio vibaya tuki-revisit:

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ICC Chief trashes Kenya cases appeal to the UN: New York. The Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court told the United Nations Security Council on Wednesday that Kenya had made "unfounded and incorrect" claims in urging it to end the cases facing President Uhuru Kenyatta and Deputy President William Ruto.

Fatou Bensouda described Kenya's appeal to the UN Security Council last week as "a backdoor attempt to politicise the judicial processes" of the ICC. Noting that she has not received a copy of the May 2 letter sent to the council by Kenyan UN Ambassador Macharia Kamau, Ms Bensouda said she was speaking in response to earlier comments made to the council by Rwanda's ambassador.

The Rwandan envoy, Eugene-Richard Gasana, had said during Wednesday's council meeting that Kenya's letter makes "a compelling case against the methods of work of the office of the prosecutor on the Kenyan cases". Ambassador Gasana accused the ICC of being "selective in its methods of investigating and prosecuting perpetrators of serious international crimes as it has failed to prosecute similar crimes committed in other parts of the world with impunity".

Ms Bensouda said in her response that the ICC "has always and will always continue to respect the sovereign equality of all states." She added that "the ICC will not shy away from investigating individuals for any alleged crimes irrespective of their status".

Ms Bensouda said she reserved the right to respond in detail to Kenya's letter to the council, which has not been officially released. The comments by the Rwanda ambassador and Ms Bensouda's response were made during the course of a Security Council session focused on prosecution of crimes committed in Libya during the pro-democracy uprising in 2011.

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My take, hivi kwa nini jamaa hawa wana angahika sana kujaribu sijui tuseme kuwanasua watuhumiwa, wanajisahau kabisa mpaka wana fikia hatua ya ku-step kwenye toes za mtu aliye shikiria MPINI!! Nilikuwa nimanyamaza siku nyingi baada ya kusikitishwa na upigaji/matokeo ya kura - yaani kadiri siku zinavyo pita ndio inadhihilika kwamba upigaji kura wa kulazimisha mambo walifikili wakilazimisha matokeo hilo tu linaweza kuwahokoa watuhumiwa wasiburuzwe katika mahakama ya Kimataifa - ni hilo tu, wanajisahau kwamba wakijifanya wanajua hili kumbe wenzao wanajua lile; kuna mahali nimesoma kwamba Rais wao ameongezewa shitaka lingine la kuhamuru wafuasi wake watumie mapanga/visu na G3 au AK-47 kuwaua raia katika sakata la 2007 - je tuhuma kama hizo mtu anaweza kujinasua kweli???

Alafu na uzabazabina wa Rwanda wa kujaribu kuwakingia kifua watuhumiwa zina ajenda gani ya siri, Rwanda ina ubavu gani wa kuwanyoshea vidole wengine wakati wanajeshi wao waliua wahutu wanawake/watoto kwa mamillioni nchini Congo wakilipiza kisasi, badala ya kupigana na wanajeshi wenyewe wanakwenda kwenye kambi za wakimbizi na kuwafyekelea mbali!! Nilishangaa kumtoa kafara Ntaganda na kuwahacha the brains behind the whole SCAM.
 
Nobody is blaming Uhuru or Ruto about this letter by the way.

When I asked you that question I had this deep hunch that hii barua italeta shida na watu wataruka. That is exactly what has happened. This letter is from one individual or several and it is not from Kenyans or Kenya as that envoy is tryna purport.

Yes exactly. This letter is quite suspect, i wonder what the motives were.
 
You are mixing issues, first Uhuru and Ruto cases start on different dates and not the same date of July 9th as you purport above. Second, the two committed to work with ICC whether they won or lost the elections. This position has not changed. Where did you read the contrary? Third, the request to the UN is by the Kenya government and not by Uhuru or Ruto? Where does it say that these two requested the UN?

Hahahaha,acha nicheke mie,eti request is by kenyan government,who is kenyan government kama sio uhuruto,au unamaanisha the letter was table at the paliament? Maamuzi yoyote ya serikali lazima yapate baraka ya baraza la mawaziri.,was this done? This is a scheme made by few kikuyu tribal baffoons to save their son from hungman's rope...huyu balozi alitumwa na nani kama sio ofisi ya rais..kwanza un haina mandate ya kufuta kesi za icc,pili sio kweli eti rais wa kenya akipelekwa icc kutakuwa na machafuko east africa..who is he by the way?,mpaka nchi yangu tanzania iingie kwenye machafuko kwa sababu ya muuwaji wenu huyo....mnapoelekea hapo tayari uhuru anaanza kufanya maamuzi bila kumshikisha ruto.tayari kikuyus wameshaanza kufanya mambo yao kumgeuka ruto..
 
this is a government mahali ambapo pre-election power agreements was to be on a 50-50 basis.
naona hio request by the permanent secretary to the UN is justified maana ICC ni mahakama inasitisha kesi bila kutoa sababu. walipositisha kesi ya muthaura, hakuna sababu iliyopewa, hata ile shirika la National security council haizungumziwi. wameshindwa kuweka uhusiano kati ya uhuru ambaye ni mungiki na security council.
* natural justice ingepaswa kufuatwa badala ya kucomplicate mambo
* Tumegundua kuwa ICC hakuna tofauti kati ya Pre-trial chamber na full trial chamber-- maamuzi ya kesi yaweza amuliwa popote pale--kusitishwa kuhairishwa au kuendelea nk (mfano) kesi ya muthaura ilisitishwa kwenye pre-trial bila ya full trial kuendeshwa...
* inamaanisha pia ikiwa uhuru na ruto wangepatikana na hatia kesi ingeamuliwa kwenye pre-trial chamber bila kuzingati full trial
* kisheria mtu sio mhalifu ikiwa bado hajapatikana na hatia katika kesi.
* hata bashir wa sudan na mugabe wa zimbabwe ni wanamulikwa na kesi mbalimbali pia huitwa wahalifu
* maombi haya inawezekana mambo yakitizamwa kisheria if you understand or know what i mean
* Sitastaajabu kesi hizi zikifanyiwa deferral na mwishowe kupotelea mbali. hio ndio njia ya pekee ICC itaweza kujikomboa
* mwisho toka hapo kwa kikuyu kikyu najua ikiwa mkimbiaji ameshindwa kufikia utepe basi hukubali udhaifu.

do not say i am clever that is my opinione which should be respected. tukijadiliana hivi katika mijadala mitulivu na vipengee heshima hushamiri.
 
Hi, Ab-T habari za siku? Mkuu hebu soma kitu hii hapa - sina shaka huko well informed kuhusu ili jambo lakini kwa manufaa ya wasomaji sio vibaya tuki-revisit:

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ICC Chief trashes Kenya cases appeal to the UN: New York. The Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court told the United Nations Security Council on Wednesday that Kenya had made "unfounded and incorrect" claims in urging it to end the cases facing President Uhuru Kenyatta and Deputy President William Ruto.

Fatou Bensouda described Kenya's appeal to the UN Security Council last week as "a backdoor attempt to politicise the judicial processes" of the ICC. Noting that she has not received a copy of the May 2 letter sent to the council by Kenyan UN Ambassador Macharia Kamau, Ms Bensouda said she was speaking in response to earlier comments made to the council by Rwanda's ambassador.

The Rwandan envoy, Eugene-Richard Gasana, had said during Wednesday's council meeting that Kenya's letter makes "a compelling case against the methods of work of the office of the prosecutor on the Kenyan cases". Ambassador Gasana accused the ICC of being "selective in its methods of investigating and prosecuting perpetrators of serious international crimes as it has failed to prosecute similar crimes committed in other parts of the world with impunity".

Ms Bensouda said in her response that the ICC "has always and will always continue to respect the sovereign equality of all states." She added that "the ICC will not shy away from investigating individuals for any alleged crimes irrespective of their status".

Ms Bensouda said she reserved the right to respond in detail to Kenya's letter to the council, which has not been officially released. The comments by the Rwanda ambassador and Ms Bensouda's response were made during the course of a Security Council session focused on prosecution of crimes committed in Libya during the pro-democracy uprising in 2011.

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My take, hivi kwa nini jamaa hawa wana angahika sana kujaribu sijui tuseme kuwanasua watuhumiwa, wanajisahau kabisa mpaka wana fikia hatua ya ku-step kwenye toes za mtu aliye shikiria MPINI!! Nilikuwa nimanyamaza siku nyingi baada ya kusikitishwa na upigaji/matokeo ya kura - yaani kadiri siku zinavyo pita ndio inadhihilika kwamba upigaji kura wa kulazimisha mambo walifikili wakilazimisha matokeo hilo tu linaweza kuwahokoa watuhumiwa wasiburuzwe katika mahakama ya Kimataifa - ni hilo tu, wanajisahau kwamba wakijifanya wanajua hili kumbe wenzao wanajua lile; kuna mahali nimesoma kwamba Rais wao ameongezewa shitaka lingine la kuhamuru wafuasi wake watumie mapanga/visu na G3 au AK-47 kuwaua raia katika sakata la 2007 - je tuhuma kama hizo mtu anaweza kujinasua kweli???

Alafu na uzabazabina wa Rwanda wa kujaribu kuwakingia kifua watuhumiwa zina ajenda gani ya siri, Rwanda ina ubavu gani wa kuwanyoshea vidole wengine wakati wanajeshi wao waliua wahutu wanawake/watoto kwa mamillioni nchini Congo wakilipiza kisasi, badala ya kupigana na wanajeshi wenyewe wanakwenda kwenye kambi za wakimbizi na kuwafyekelea mbali!! Nilishangaa kumtoa kafara Ntaganda na kuwahacha the brains behind the whole SCAM.

Mkuu you have said it all na sina la ziada la kuongezea.

Kwa sasa hii barua ishaleta mtafaruku na huyu balozi huko UN atabaki kashikilia kikapu na walomtuma wote washakula
kona.

Afu pia kama usemavyo hapo UN sio sehemu ya kukata rufaa au kupeleka malalamiko dhidi ya kesi yao. Cha mno ni
kwamba wangekua na ajenda ya nguvu wangeenda huko kotini. Hii ishu walijaribu sana wakati Kalonzo Musyoka
alipokua makamu wa rais lakini bado ikashindikana na hela ya walipakodi ikapotea bure. Sasa leo hii wameanza tena.

Hao Rwanda wenyewe wanpiga kelele maana kagame anjua chuma chake kiko motoni maani hio zegere na Great Lakes
inamhusu yeye direct...na kama namna gani vipi, anatakiwa awe huko ICC akinyelea debe tu!
 
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