Kenya declares war on Al Shabaab!

mluga · Oct 29, 2011

Askari Kanzu said:
Kenya to stay in Somalia until 'threat' is gone

NAIROBI, Kenya – The chief of Kenya's armed forces says Kenyan troops will stay in southern Somalia until Kenyans feel safe again.

Gen. Julius Karangi told reporters Saturday that there was no timeline for the Kenyan operation to end. Kenya sent troops into Somalia earlier this month after a string of cross-border attacks and kidnappings.

But Karangi says Kenya has no interest in permanently occupying Somalia and is working alongside the weak U.N.-backed Somali government, which only holds the capital with the help of 9,000 African Union soldiers.

Karangi says that although Kenya has bilateral military agreements with countries like the United States and Britain, those allies are not directly involved militarily in the incursion into Somalia.

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Jamaa kasema Al -shahab, wameteka askari watatu wa kenya hawajulikani waliko. Mimi nawambia hili ni jeshi la gwaride tu, hamna wanaume hapo, hii kazi wangekuwa wamepewa rwanda, leo hii ungesikia wamechukua Mogadishu tayari. Kwa Tanzania hii ni operation ndogo saana, sisi tumepigana na Makburu Msumbiji, na wanajua nini kazi yetu

Ulinziguy · Oct 29, 2011

Bantugbro said:
I berg you not to be emotional and start dealing with real matters at hand, your insults here will not win your wayward war in Somalia. Cool down and lets be realistic: is not true that Kenya has never been to war before since independence?? and is it not true that Kenya's armed forces are relatively small and have thus been called on only in domestic conflicts??.

Btw, the this information is coming from the United States of America (USA), your so-called big power friend. I did not add anything on it just copy and paste as it is.....

Source:
East Africa Living Encyclopedia

FYI, Tanzania's army has fought and won a not much publicized war of liberating the Anjouan islands of Comoro in 2008 without loosing a soldier in combat!!. Now please look at the following pictures below and tell me if those TPDF/JWTZ soldiers look 60 years old to you....

Are you trying to compare your soldiers to the KDF?I really hate comparing the two forces but today iam forced to.Now take a look...KDF has a total of 63000 troops from all the three units.Our military spending for 2011 on defence alone was ksh.49billion while that for the police was ksh.44billion.When it comes to equipments then dont even bother to ask whereas in terms of training you can never compare to us.If you think am trying to brag then you need to do more research on that field.The so-called liberation of comoros is just a job of kenya's paramilitary police (gsu) and for this am sure.Try sending your forces to somalia and you will know what war is.Or are you trying to say that if the TPDF had been deployed in somalia you could never have castualities?so far kenya has only lost one soldier from enemy fire.THINK HARD BRO!THANK YOU!

Ulinziguy · Oct 29, 2011

mluga said:
Jamaa kasema Al -shahab, wameteka askari watatu wa kenya hawajulikani waliko. Mimi nawambia hili ni jeshi la gwaride tu, hamna wanaume hapo, hii kazi wangekuwa wamepewa rwanda, leo hii ungesikia wamechukua Mogadishu tayari. Kwa Tanzania hii ni operation ndogo saana, sisi tumepigana na Makburu Msumbiji, na wanajua nini kazi yetu

For your information the first to soldiers were abducted in july before we had even planned this operation and they were at the border with somalia collecting intelligence information while the third one went missing when their boat was fired at by the french tourist abductus causing it to sink thus the loss.Take note that they were not from the navy but the kenya army.I have followed your comments for quite some time and i have noticed your deep hatred towards kenya.keep up you will be rewarded soon!by the way why dont you advise your president to send your army to somalia and we see the 'mighty' TPDF?

Mekatilili · Oct 29, 2011

Bantugbro said:
I berg you not to be emotional and start dealing with real matters at hand, your insults here will not win your wayward war in Somalia. Cool down and lets be realistic: is not true that Kenya has never been to war before since independence?? and is it not true that Kenya's armed forces are relatively small and have thus been called on only in domestic conflicts??.

Btw, the this information is coming from the United States of America (USA), your so-called big power friend. I did not add anything on it just copy and paste as it is.....

Source:
East Africa Living Encyclopedia

FYI, Tanzania's army has fought and won a not much publicized war of liberating the Anjouan islands of Comoro in 2008 without loosing a soldier in combat!!. Now please look at the following pictures below and tell me if those TPDF/JWTZ soldiers look 60 years old to you....

LOL, Going by your post it is obvious there is a language barrier here or at least the gist of my post was lost in translation. Your post does not warrant a response from me until you comprehend what I wrote.

Mekatilili · Oct 29, 2011

Ulinziguy said:
Are you trying to compare your soldiers to the KDF?I really hate comparing the two forces but today iam forced to.Now take a look...KDF has a total of 63000 troops from all the three units.Our military spending for 2011 on defence alone was ksh.49billion while that for the police was ksh.44billion.When it comes to equipments then dont even bother to ask whereas in terms of training you can never compare to us.If you think am trying to brag then you need to do more research on that field.The so-called liberation of comoros is just a job of kenya's paramilitary police (gsu) and for this am sure.Try sending your forces to somalia and you will know what war is.Or are you trying to say that if the TPDF had been deployed in somalia you could never have castualities?so far kenya has only lost one soldier from enemy fire.THINK HARD BRO!THANK YOU!

Hello, just like you I hate this contest that so many of the people engage here. They brag their army has 'experience at war' when the last war they fought was 33 years ago and their current crop of soldiers have not been at war save for their adventures in the Comoros Island against rebels that would be left for the policemen or GSU.

Luckily not all of them are as misinformed or xenophobic as a matter of fact a majority of the people here realize that our safety is in our numbers and cooperation and that we face the same enemies. Hats off to you, just like you I respect every African save for those that go about beating the worn out drums.

Bantugbro · Oct 29, 2011

Ulinziguy said:
Are you trying to compare your soldiers to the KDF?I really hate comparing the two forces but today iam forced to.Now take a look...KDF has a total of 63000 troops from all the three units.Our military spending for 2011 on defence alone was ksh.49billion while that for the police was ksh.44billion.When it comes to equipments then dont even bother to ask whereas in terms of training you can never compare to us.If you think am trying to brag then you need to do more research on that field.The so-called liberation of comoros is just a job of kenya's paramilitary police (gsu) and for this am sure.Try sending your forces to somalia and you will know what war is.Or are you trying to say that if the TPDF had been deployed in somalia you could never have castualities?so far kenya has only lost one soldier from enemy fire.THINK HARD BRO!THANK YOU!

GSU? don't make me laugh:lol: This proves that Kenya's armed forces are relatively small and have thus been called on only in domestic conflicts!!!.

And the naked truth still remains: Kenya's army has never fought a single war before and that its biggest weakness (lack of combat experience) so far you army only rely on training!!!. Your inexpirinced soldiers and will commit so many mistakes which does not necessarily means that you will loose the war!

On the other hand Tanzania's army has fought so many wars to name a few wars against Portuguese in Mozambique and Angola, against South Africans in Namibia, against Idd Amin in Uganda,against Col. Mohammed Bacar in Comoro etc...This means Tanzania's army has generated its own combat doctrine from that long experience and the ongoing training. Now this can confidently be used in any potential future threats like the Shabaabs...

Bantugbro · Oct 29, 2011

Mekatilili said:
Hello, just like you I hate this contest that so many of the people engage here. They brag their army has 'experience at war' when the last war they fought was 33 years ago and their current crop of soldiers have not been at war save for their adventures in the Comoros Island against rebels that would be left for the policemen or GSU.

Luckily not all of them are as misinformed or xenophobic as a matter of fact a majority of the people here realize that our safety is in our numbers and cooperation and that we face the same enemies. Hats off to you, just like you I respect every African save for those that go about beating the worn out drums.

No one hates you here thats why we are more friendlier to you compared to what you treat non-Kenyans in your forums!!!. However, we can't tolerate your lack of knowledge thinking that your inexperienced army is better than tried and tested armies. I think its better to leave you guys to weep alone.:lol:

Mekatilili · Oct 29, 2011

Military stats: Kenya vs Tanzania

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Kenyan Military stats
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Tanzanian Military stats
[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Arms imports > constant 1990 US$[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]12,000,000 constant 1990 US$[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]2,000,000 constant 1990 US$[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 68th in 1994. 5 times more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 88th in 1994.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Branches[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Kenyan Army, Kenyan Navy, Kenyan Air Force[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Tanzanian People's Defense Force (Jeshi la Wananchi la Tanzania, JWTZ): Army, Naval Wing (includes Coast Guard), Air Defense Command (includes Air Wing), National Service[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Conscription[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]No conscription (AI).[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Conscription exists (FWCC).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Expenditures > Dollar figure[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]$177,100,000.00[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]$20,600,000.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 37th in 2004. 8 times more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 72nd in 2004.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Expenditures > Dollar figure (per capita)[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]$5.29 per capita[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]$0.55 per capita[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 68th in 2004. 9 times more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 85th in 2004.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Expenditures > Dollar figure (per $ GDP)[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]$10.97 per 1,000 $ of GDP[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]$1.81 per 1,000 $ of GDP[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 62nd in 2004. 5 times more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 86th in 2004.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]expenditure > % of GDP[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]1.5 %[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]1.1 %[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 67th in 2005.36% more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 87th in 2005.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Manpower > Availability > Males[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]9,044,685[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]9,108,177[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 36th in 2008.[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 35th in 2008. 1% more than Kenya[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Manpower > Availability > Males age 15-49[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]8,313,051[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]8,687,477[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 37th in 2004.[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 35th in 2004. 5% more than Kenya[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Manpower > Availability > Males age 15-49[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]8,096,140[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]8,477,190[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 37th.[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 35th. 5% more than Kenya[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Manpower > Fit for military service > Males[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]5,688,259[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]5,278,833[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 38th in 2008. 8% more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 43rd in 2008.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Manpower > Fit for military service > Males age 15-49[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]5,150,405[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]5,031,621[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 36th in 2004. 2% more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 37th in 2004.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Manpower > Reaching military age annually > Males[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]411,032[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]478,812[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 26th in 2008.[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 22nd in 2008. 16% more than Kenya[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]personnel[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]29,000[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]28,000[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 87th in 2005. 4% more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 91st in 2005.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]personnel > % of total labor force[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]0.19 %[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]0.14 %[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 150th in 2005.36% more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 154th in 2005.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Service age and obligation[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]18 years of age (est.) for voluntary service, with a 9-year obligation[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]18 years of age for voluntary military service[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]US military exports[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]$4,885.00 thousand[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]$201.00 thousand[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 29th. 23 times more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 83rd.[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"][/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"][/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"][/TD]
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[TD][/TD]
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[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Weapon holdings[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]251,000[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]387,000[/TD]
[/TR]
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[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 96th.[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 89th. 54% more than Kenya[/TD]
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[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"][/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"][/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"][/TD]
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*****THIS ARE THE 1995 FIGURES! I WILL PUT UP THE 2010 FIGURES TOO.

mluga · Oct 29, 2011

Ulinziguy said:
For your information the first to soldiers were abducted in july before we had even planned this operation and they were at the border with somalia collecting intelligence information while the third one went missing when their boat was fired at by the french tourist abductus causing it to sink thus the loss.Take note that they were not from the navy but the kenya army.I have followed your comments for quite some time and i have noticed your deep hatred towards kenya.keep up you will be rewarded soon!by the way why dont you advise your president to send your army to somalia and we see the 'mighty' TPDF?

I don't hate Kenya, lakini lazima niseme kweli nyinyi si wapiganaji hamuwezi vita, maneno mengi, vifaa na askari wengi haina maana jeshi ni zuri. JWTZ, huwezi kuiriganisha na Kenya kabisa, kama tukiingia vitani nannyinyi, I can tell you for sure, two of division will be in Nairobi within 36hrs. Huwezi kukaa wiki hujakamata Kisimayu, hata ukiwatazama kwenye picha unaona ni bure kabisa.

Bantugbro · Oct 29, 2011

Ulinziguy said:
I have followed your comments for quite some time and i have noticed your deep hatred towards kenya.keep up you will be rewarded soon!by the way why dont you advise your president to send your army to somalia and we see the 'mighty' TPDF?

You are relative new here (less than 15 posts) and already trying to forceful project your war mongering-behaviour. Statements like the one above will never be tolerated. Btw, who doesn't know that Nairobi is Alshaabab's bastion? The Kampala's night club bombers came from Nairobi, the recent bombardment of bus stand and a bar was carried out by a Nairobi based Alshabaab!!!. So i think the best advice to my president will not be to send TPDF troops to Kismayu but to Nairobi instead:lol:

Majoja · Oct 29, 2011

moshe dayan said:
anko sam ak47 unaijua au unazungumza tu...., hyo ni ak47 kweli!??

Naona mkuu umenena huyo jamaa haijui Ak 47 na kuelewa kuwa SMG ya kichina ni derivative ya Ak 47

Bantugbro · Oct 29, 2011

Mekatilili said:
Military stats: Kenya vs Tanzania

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[TR]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: center"]
Kenyan Military stats[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]
Tanzanian Military stats[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Arms imports > constant 1990 US$[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]12,000,000 constant 1990 US$[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]2,000,000 constant 1990 US$[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 68th in 1994. 5 times more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 88th in 1994.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Branches[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Kenyan Army, Kenyan Navy, Kenyan Air Force[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Tanzanian People's Defense Force (Jeshi la Wananchi la Tanzania, JWTZ): Army, Naval Wing (includes Coast Guard), Air Defense Command (includes Air Wing), National Service[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Conscription[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]No conscription (AI).[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Conscription exists (FWCC).[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Expenditures > Dollar figure[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]$177,100,000.00[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]$20,600,000.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 37th in 2004. 8 times more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 72nd in 2004.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Expenditures > Dollar figure (per capita)[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]$5.29 per capita[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]$0.55 per capita[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 68th in 2004. 9 times more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 85th in 2004.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Expenditures > Dollar figure (per $ GDP)[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]$10.97 per 1,000 $ of GDP[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]$1.81 per 1,000 $ of GDP[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 62nd in 2004. 5 times more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 86th in 2004.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]expenditure > % of GDP[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]1.5 %[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]1.1 %[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 67th in 2005.36% more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 87th in 2005.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Manpower > Availability > Males[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]9,044,685[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]9,108,177[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 36th in 2008.[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 35th in 2008. 1% more than Kenya[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Manpower > Availability > Males age 15-49[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]8,313,051[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]8,687,477[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 37th in 2004.[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 35th in 2004. 5% more than Kenya[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Manpower > Availability > Males age 15-49[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]8,096,140[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]8,477,190[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 37th.[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 35th. 5% more than Kenya[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Manpower > Fit for military service > Males[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]5,688,259[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]5,278,833[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 38th in 2008. 8% more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 43rd in 2008.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Manpower > Fit for military service > Males age 15-49[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]5,150,405[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]5,031,621[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 36th in 2004. 2% more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 37th in 2004.[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Manpower > Reaching military age annually > Males[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]411,032[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]478,812[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 26th in 2008.[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 22nd in 2008. 16% more than Kenya[/TD]
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[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]personnel[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]29,000[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]28,000[/TD]
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[TD]Ranked 87th in 2005. 4% more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 91st in 2005.[/TD]
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[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]personnel > % of total labor force[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]0.19 %[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]0.14 %[/TD]
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[TD][/TD]
[TD]Ranked 150th in 2005.36% more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 154th in 2005.[/TD]
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[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Service age and obligation[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]18 years of age (est.) for voluntary service, with a 9-year obligation[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]18 years of age for voluntary military service[/TD]
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[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]$4,885.00 thousand[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]$201.00 thousand[/TD]
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[TD]Ranked 29th. 23 times more than Tanzania[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 83rd.[/TD]
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[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]Weapon holdings[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]251,000[/TD]
[TD="class: graphHl, bgcolor: #E5F0F6"]387,000[/TD]
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[TD]Ranked 96th.[/TD]
[TD]Ranked 89th. 54% more than Kenya[/TD]
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*****THIS ARE THE 1995 FIGURES! I WILL PUT UP THE 2010 FIGURES TOO.

I don't have a problem with your figures, i also have similar figures (1994) which indicates that your military expenditure is bigger that ours ($164, 000, 000 vs. $64, 000, 000). But the same source still concluded that your army is relative small and is much more focused on internal affairs while on the other hand the source indicated that TPDF has proved to be the strongest army in the region. Check below:

Tanzania Defense
"The Tanzanian People's Defense Force (TPDF) includes the army, navy, and air force. Outside the TPDF there is a militia and the paramilitary Police Field Force. Military expenditures in 1994 were $69 million. It proved its capability and power and also demonstrated it was the strongest military power in East Africa...."
Source:
http://www.africa.upenn.edu/NEH/tdefenses.htm

Kenya Defense
"....Kenya's armed forces are relatively small and have thus been called on only in domestic conflicts. Kenya has little capability of exerting military influence outside its borders. Their combat worthiness in the field remain untested since independence. In 1994, military expenditures were $134 million, about 3.9% of the GDP. Military branches include the Army, the Navy, the Air Force and the paramilitary General Service Unit which is used internally during political and civil disturbances...."
Source:
East Africa Living Encyclopedia

Ulinziguy · Oct 29, 2011

Bantugbro said:
GSU? don't make me laugh:lol: This proves that Kenya's armed forces are relatively small and have thus been called on only in domestic conflicts!!!.

And the naked truth still remains: Kenya's army has never fought a single war before and that its biggest weakness (lack of combat experience) so far you army only rely on training!!!. Your inexpirinced soldiers and will commit so many mistakes which does not necessarily means that you will loose the war!

On the other hand Tanzania's army has fought so many wars to name a few wars against Portuguese in Mozambique and Angola, against South Africans in Namibia, against Idd Amin in Uganda,against Col. Mohammed Bacar in Comoro etc...This means Tanzania's army has generated its own combat doctrine from that long experience and the ongoing training. Now this can confidently be used in any potential future threats like the Shabaabs...

The kenyan government does not just send its men to the front without prior consideration of the socio-economic impacts.The most recent military deployment was in 2008 when the KDF was called to dismantle the Sabaot Land Defence Force in mt.Elgon which was succesful within 3months and this was after the police agreed that they could not manage it alone.So are you implying that kenya should just attack another country without prior consideration?Just grow up and aggree with me.we are not contesting here please!infact you cannot compare the level of preparedness of a kenyan police officer to that of a tanzanian.just speaking facts!

Ulinziguy · Oct 29, 2011

Bantugbro said:
You are relative new here (less than 15 posts) and already trying to forceful project your war mongering-behaviour. Statements like the one above will never be tolerated. Btw, who doesn't know that Nairobi is Alshaabab's bastion? The Kampala's night club bombers came from Nairobi, the recent bombardment of bus stand and a bar was carried out by a Nairobi based Alshabaab!!!. So i think the best advice to my president will not be to send TPDF troops to Kismayu but to Nairobi instead:lol:

Be informed that am an active in other websites that peaopld are progressive in there discussions unlike this where its like a war of words between kenyans and tanzanians!am a peace loving kenyan but i promise you i will drop a missile in your capital when you just move a kilometre in kenya through Namanga and this i say with no fear.Dont joke with us!you think kenya is a uganda!by the way even uganda is better than you because of all the eastafrican countries you are the ones sleeping in the barracks.Try to enter namanga and you will know what war is.i love easafrica.GOD BLESS KENYA

Ulinziguy · Oct 29, 2011

mluga said:
I don't hate Kenya, lakini lazima niseme kweli nyinyi si wapiganaji hamuwezi vita, maneno mengi, vifaa na askari wengi haina maana jeshi ni zuri. JWTZ, huwezi kuiriganisha na Kenya kabisa, kama tukiingia vitani nannyinyi, I can tell you for sure, two of division will be in Nairobi within 36hrs. Huwezi kukaa wiki hujakamata Kisimayu, hata ukiwatazama kwenye picha unaona ni bure kabisa.

Am not objectingp!your entire cabinet plus military chiefs will be in Nairobi.But since you have never known tha nairobi is just too big let me pinpoint the exact location....they will be enroot to Kamiti maximum prison!Take heart brother cause i might be the new governor of tanzania so its better if you tell me your location so that i can atleast invite you to dar statehouse for a cup of tea!

mluga · Oct 29, 2011

What kind of domestic conflict are u talking? watu walikuwa wanachinjana baada ya uchaguzi, na kenya army wamekaa katika ma baracks wanakunywa pombe tu, u don't have an army, waoga saana wa kufa hao, Uganda wamevamia wakachukua kisiwa lakini wao ni pombe tu. Even Kenya Intelligence service ni zero, hawajawahi kufanya chochote katika vita ya ujasusi, wao ni pombe tu. Na hii ni typical ya maisha ya wakenya popote ukikutana nao , porojo tu.

Bantugbro · Oct 29, 2011

Ulinziguy said:
The kenyan government does not just send its men to the front without prior consideration of the socio-economic impacts.The most recent military deployment was in 2008 when the KDF was called to dismantle the Sabaot Land Defence Force in mt.Elgon which was succesful within 3months and this was after the police agreed that they could not manage it alone. We are not contesting here please!infact you cannot compare the level of preparedness of a kenyan police officer to that of a tanzanian.just speaking facts!

You are absolutely right Ulinziguy, we cannot compare the level of preparedness of your police force with our police force. Your army doctrine was fashioned by Mzee Kenyatta to quell the many internal conflictsas possible (land grabs, cattle rustling, political wrangles etc ,etc), as a result your famed police force is more experienced(brutal). The peaceful nature of Tanzania citizens made our police force to lag behind in dealing with such issues....However, recent sad incidents can prove otherwise...

Mzee Kenyata was not mincing his words, listen below:

NICK2275 · Oct 29, 2011

Ulinziguy said:
Are you trying to compare your soldiers to the KDF?I really hate comparing the two forces but today iam forced to.Now take a look...KDF has a total of 63000 troops from all the three units.Our military spending for 2011 on defence alone was ksh.49billion while that for the police was ksh.44billion.When it comes to equipments then dont even bother to ask whereas in terms of training you can never compare to us.If you think am trying to brag then you need to do more research on that field.The so-called liberation of comoros is just a job of kenya's paramilitary police (gsu) and for this am sure.Try sending your forces to somalia and you will know what war is.Or are you trying to say that if the TPDF had been deployed in somalia you could never have castualities?so far kenya has only lost one soldier from enemy fire.THINK HARD BRO!THANK YOU!

You cant compare Kenya army and Tanzania army,JWTZ has been in different wars before KAF

Kenya army has never fought any war, it has no record on combat operation,saying that Kenyan army is well trained with the so called super power,u are wrong,warzone is always volatile even to field marshals-this is their first combat operation with poorly armed militias, but it proof hard to Kenyans.
What I can tell u is that,JWTZ cant compare to KAF on budget as far as KAF cant compare to JWTZ on combat

Askari Kanzu · Oct 29, 2011

al Shabaab attacks AU base, 2 hurt
2011-10-29 17:25

Mogadishu - Two African Union peacekeepers were injured on Saturday when Somalia's al Shabaab rebels attacked one of the mission's bases in Mogadishu, a spokesperson for the force said. The al Qaeda-allied insurgents are battling to overthrow Somalia's Transitional Federal Government and impose their own version of sharia law on the nation.

The 9 000-strong AU peacekeeping force propping up the government and fighting al Shabaab is made up of soldiers from Uganda and Burundi.

"Al Shabaab attacked us at the former steel factory which is beyond the Mogadishu stadium. Fighting has subsided but it is still going on," said Paddy Ankunda, the AU mission's representative. He said the attack started with a suicide bombing which injured two Ugandan soldiers.

Residents in the area said they heard explosions before gunfire erupted between the two sides.

An al Shabaab spokesperson, however, said the base has fallen into rebel hands and "many" peacekeepers had been killed.

"Two of our fighters with government uniforms jumped over the wall and started fighting inside the Ugandan base," said Sheikh Abdiasis Abu Musab.

"Then many fighters joined the fighting from all corners - we killed many Ugandans. The steel factory is in our hand now."

In addition to government and AU troops, al Shabaab is now battling regional neighbour Kenya, which has sent soldiers and heavy weapons into southern Somalia to crush the militants.

Nairobi blames the group for a string of kidnappings on Kenyan soil and frequent border incursions.

- Reuters

Tatizo la wakenya linakuja wakati askari wa TFG watakapo wasaliti. Hawa wasomali hawaaminiki hata kidogo na jeshi la Kenya limejiunga nao kupambana na Al Shabaab. Uwezekano wa kusalitiwa na kuingizwa mkenge hapo ni mkubwa!

Chief · Oct 29, 2011

Anko Sam said:
Hiyo ni AK 47 ya Kirusi wanayotumia jeshi la Kenya, wabongo jeshi letu linatumia sana SMG ya mchina.

Hiyo ni G3

Kenya declares war on Al Shabaab!

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