Kenya’s security forces losing the battle for Somali hearts and mind

[Lonestriker]

dude!!!!....i thought i was through with you. Nothing has changed in KDF's theater so take your methalis and tuck safely in a dictionary, kamusi or wherever it came from. KDF still posses the lethal posturing.....only waiting on UN's approval, (MOU)... a bankers cheque to go blitzkering on al kebab.

Excuses,excuses and more excuses,the media is tired since more and more Kenyans are opening their eyes and seeing the reality.Of course many could not see the reality since they were busy singing the 'operation linda nchi' while closing their eyes in the name of uzalendo.Now it is the banker's cheque as if a wise man goes into war hoping that a banker will drop some cheques around...how do you plan a war strategy without your own money?The truth is the truth,you have failed to capture Kismayu with your own resources or to put it in another way you have succeeded in proving us right,those of us(including many Kenyans who were not duped with the uzalendo nonsense) who thought Kenya has no enough muscles of its own to capture Kismayu...

 

[Lonestriker]

Now, let's hear what an actuall military analyst has to say;

Don't you think that advice ought to have been given to you bunches and your Col Oguna when your busy telling us that Al shabbab would be no more by December last year?War takes time,not two weeks!

 

[kshaka]

Ujinga ndio huu!Can't you see beyond you nose since it seems anyone who question anything kenyan is against Kenya.What about all those Kenyans who were against the war from the beginning?What of the many international military experts who were skeptical of your tactics,the manner of invasion,the timing...many of the reasons have turned to be true.It is high time you learn to attack the message and not the messenger thou I know it is hard since you come from an environment where politics is centered on attacking the player and not going after the ball.
Why should I re-do the Maths?Don't you think Col Oguna and bunches like you ought to have done the Maths when your were busy yapping about taking Kismayu in two weeks time back then in early November...Hesabu ngumu!

ok calm down, you'll pop a vein! I have heard from very many people who disagree with OLN in good faith and I have no problem with that at all. If you've followed anything that's been said on this forum over the last 6 months, however, you'll quickly realise that most of the naysayers here are not just disagreeing in principle, their disagreement is motivated by a hatred of Kenya/ns. Some have even gone on record to say that they hope Al Shabaab attack Kenyan cities and that is the reasons I have said what I did.
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FYI; No one, but no one in KDF ever said they would take Kismayu in two weeks. Never! If you claim they did, please provide a source!
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P.S. As I said, keep the champagne on ice my friend...you're writing an obituary while the patient is still alive (sounds like you are hoping for a particular outcome?!?)

 

[kshaka]

Now, let's hear what an actuall military analyst has to say;

Don't you think that advice ought to have been given to you bunches and your Col Oguna when your busy telling us that Al shabbab would be no more by December last year?War takes time,not two weeks!

I think you should take time, make yourself a cup of tea maybe and then once you've calmed down, read the piece again. He is basically saying that the strategy that the Oguna's are pursuing in Somalia is the best bet for long term peace and stability as opposed to the Ethiopian one which is showy and attracts plaudits from those such as yourself but does not serve the long term goals of anyone, not least the Ethiopians themselves. I have even very helpfully highlighted the relevant parts for you...

 

[Ndahani]

let the military/paramilitary units have a rest...(maisha shwari)...war is a business hence u dont rush to terminate your source of revenue plus the UN/AU money hasnt started flowing till late may when KDF signs a MOU with concerned parties and financiers. Ask Uganda why they are never in a hurry, free training ground plus everything comes cost free. At present KDF advancement is limited to their own terms, MIC guys to call the shots soon after the KDF/UN sign the amisom MOU later this month.

The good thing about life is the fact that we do everything at our own peril!!!

 

[livefire]

Excuses,excuses and more excuses,the media is tired since more and more Kenyans are opening their eyes and seeing the reality.Of course many could not see the reality since they were busy singing the 'operation linda nchi' while closing their eyes in the name of uzalendo.Now it is the banker's cheque as if a wise man goes into war hoping that a banker will drop some cheques around...how do you plan a war strategy without your own money?The truth is the truth,you have failed to capture Kismayu with your own resources or to put it in another way you have succeeded in proving us right,those of us(including many Kenyans who were not duped with the uzalendo nonsense) who thought Kenya has no enough muscles of its own to capture Kismayu...

wow.....such a mouthfull spitting, gibberish, unreasonable and utmost uncalled for statements. KDF lustre in somalia hasnt faded, dont doubt the financial capability of the govt to fan and fund the war but as Haji said, Kismayu is no obligation of KDF, ''if the world wants us in (kismayu) then they better fund the escapede''. KDF accomplished a 100km barrier within well under a month n have been within the same area ever since, OLN objective as it were. I wonder how u reason, after rehatting, KDF's OBJECTIVE in somalia was alil bit twisted tand a complex matrix. At some point it has to identify targets that inflitrate the innocent populace and at the same time it has to keep the impartiality face with regards to not being seen as an occupier force. Add this up with the new command and rules of engagement under AMISOM.
Rejoinder: Within a month what KDF did was just awesome and their offence halting was strategic and not capabilty inadequacy or what you n some other not friendly guy are agitating. If alshabaab was the face of Kismayu with no innocent populace around, KDF would have kicked Kismayu by well under week 6 but with collaterals on the way a new strategy rethink had to be devised. KDF has the ability, the killer punch to do this but as they said KDFs operation are on their own terms. the word is not yet out to capture Kismayu, when pathfinding and Recon elements are given the word, be assured some Kenyan warriors in SF ranger units in no nonse gear will be at it again. MOU is almost signed, relax.....

 

[Lonestriker]

wow.....such a mouthfull spitting, gibberish, unreasonable and utmost uncalled for statements. KDF lustre in somalia hasnt faded, dont doubt the financial capability of the govt to fan and fund the war but as Haji said, Kismayu is no obligation of KDF, ''if the world wants us in (kismayu) then they better fund the escapede''. KDF accomplished a 100km barrier within well under a month n have been within the same area ever since, OLN objective as it were. I wonder how u reason, after rehatting, KDF's OBJECTIVE in somalia was alil bit twisted tand a complex matrix. At some point it has to identify targets that inflitrate the innocent populace and at the same time it has to keep the impartiality face with regards to not being seen as an occupier force. Add this up with the new command and rules of engagement under AMISOM.
Rejoinder: Within a month what KDF did was just awesome and their offence halting was strategic and not capabilty inadequacy or what you n some other not friendly guy are agitating. If alshabaab was the face of Kismayu with no innocent populace around, KDF would have kicked Kismayu by well under week 6 but with collaterals on the way a new strategy rethink had to be devised. KDF has the ability, the killer punch to do this but as they said KDFs operation are on their own terms. the word is not yet out to capture Kismayu, when pathfinding and Recon elements are given the word, be assured some Kenyan warriors in SF ranger units in no nonse gear will be at it again. MOU is almost signed, relax.....

Typical Kenyan nonsense of always failing to be objective...can't you articulate your point without aimlessly throwing out words that make no sense.Take a sip of water, and then try to edit all your 'rubbish stuff'...you will definitely realise you have only succeeded in one area only-empty matusi.Little wonder despite all the degrees you still have not mastered the art of dialogue and many of your forums proves this.Matusi seems to be your genuine heritage....I wonder why kwa nini haukurusha na mawe kabisa!
kDF had to re-strategies as the only plan failed,I mean it only worked in capturing undefended desert villages but from the onset many of us including many experts pointed out your original strategy was nt going to work.

 

[livefire]

Typical Kenyan nonsense of always failing to be objective...can't you articulate your point without aimlessly throwing out words that make no sense.Take a sip of water, and then try to edit all your 'rubbish stuff'...you will definitely realise you have only succeeded in one area only-empty matusi.Little wonder despite all the degrees you still have not mastered the art of dialogue and many of your forums proves this.Matusi seems to be your genuine heritage....I wonder why kwa nini haukurusha na mawe kabisa!
kDF had to re-strategies as the only plan failed,I mean it only worked in capturing undefended desert villages but from the onset many of us including many experts pointed out your original strategy was nt going to work.

why should i engage in positive critiscm with a faggot that has a premeditated conclusion to the subject at hand? U cant be that dumb, right?lol. Again......if i were to be objective i can do that without stressing ma nerves. You call yourself the diplomat but what i read is utter nonsense. KDF are doing what they know to do best n they are in no hurry to capture Kismayu untill finances trickle in. Did u miss Haji's remarks with regards to Kismayu? Anyway if the MOU wont do the trick, KDF can as well hold there own wereva they are. I think u are suffering from the tanzanite disorder.lol....now that am tired of attacking you...can u phrase a clean question logical question coherently without attacking me mayb i will answer you. Thanx lonestriker..

 

[Kabaridi]

Alas! the town on Afgoye is taken by AMISOM, @least bloodlessly. Reminds me during the early stages of Operation Linda Nchi. There was an almost blood-less take over of towns, with media engagement resorting to pomp and flair, at least that was before the turn of November, when there was reporting of unexpected casualties on the side of KDF, an event that made them review tact and change their operational strategy. The Ethopian methodical operation, implements one of non-inclusive, unsympathetic, inconsiderate, and hostile articulation of self-interests getting preferential considerations, via-a-vis, allowing regional/clan-based politics to deliberate and initiate their own road-map for peace. This philosophical operation of failing to master and address dynamics of regional politics is seen by observers as an extension of the well-documented, long, and historical regional animosity between Ethiopia and Somalia. Repeated errors like these are the key factors that made them withdraw out of the initial bloody-messy-uncoordinated incursion while battling ICU. Instead of being a solution, they were increasingly becoming the problem by creating a recipe for future cross-cultural conflicts. Instead of witnessing a diminished ICU, we saw the creation of robust, cunning, and mischievous Alshabaab. AMISOM on the other hand has greatly zeroed in on the success from military operations deployed on multiple fronts. They know it and they appreciate it. A matter that has made them sharpen their media-engagement skills. The one of pomp-and-flair. Their top commander was recently quoted as saying, the locals in AFGOYE had received them with joy. Amidst the landmark-takeover, a keen local observer from the town was quick to raise the alarm over the looming potential threat levels. The town of Afgoye has fallen, at least a blood-less and uncontested takeover. But from their reports, you will hear AMISOM initiated a "major offensive". What is the value of an operational philosophy that triggers an immediate-iconic migration or better still the swelling of local internal IDP camps? Yet AMISOM's effectiveness has been put to question. Is the local population of Afgoye supposed to hold back their introspective assessment of the heightened potential-threat-levels? Are they supposed to hold on to this as a new dawn, as a rock-of-ages for a peace road-map with fear of new threats looming? AFGOYE, once a quiet town with booming optimism and a vibrant agricultural and economic cultural custom, is now to become well acquainted with its new landscape where Killing machines have invaded for the commencement of manning the area. The distance between Afgoye-Kisimayu corridor is less than 200km that may be the only difference between hope or disaster. Where there is entry without blood, may echo a sense that there might be a bloody exit. Logically, Lonestriker, Colonel Oguna's "yapping" has been deliberately overshadowed by AMISOM's profound-operational-wisdom and political-oversight. KDF operations are not tied as to one and the same thing with the re-hatted KDF and AU mission's strategy. AU mission, has a differing operational philosophy to independent Kenya Defense Forces. Askari Kanzu, before we engage our introspective assessment on this matter, we have to put aside our Kenya-Tanzania anti-flame-wars and an almost sibling rivalry that is conjoined to a spiraling, never-ending antagonism/discord and cynicism to surgically see this not as failure or loss to any of the current players in Somalia. Winning the hearts and minds of the local populace is not becoming of any party, whether its an elephant-in-the-room, or an experienced battalion to surgically contravene/intrude existing cultural community customs for the sake of peace. Nobody can assume that there is any player in Somalia willing to lose on the goals or road-maps for a peaceful Somalia. But all Players in Somalia are positive that the collective end-result of all efforts would be fruitful and see a Somalia that will not be a breeding ground that pirates mutate into Alshabaab at will, set to ruin and obstruct the vibrancy of a promising coastal-economy. Comrades livefire kshaka and crew..., sorry for the silence had traveled, but couldn't fail noticing the down-time this site has been experiencing of late. Can someone explain to me what is happening? Thanks guys, have a lovely weekend..returning to base.

Kabaridi

 

[livefire]

welcome onboard Kabaridi, formation movement still intact and btw good analysis on theater affairs......kudos! About the site; admin was cooking sth and somebody decided to override everything. Hope its back for stays.

 

[Kabaridi]

welcome onboard Kabaridi, formation movement still intact and btw good analysis on theater affairs......kudos! About the site; admin was cooking sth and somebody decided to override everything. Hope its back for stays.

Could'nt fail to notice earlier the scathing attack you were to subjected to with less foundational scripts from the theartre. I couldnt also fail noticing you have been out of base for a while. We need you back at base On site, we hope admin will make it stay for good

 

[livefire]

Could'nt fail to notice earlier the scathing attack you were to subjected to with less foundational scripts from the theartre. I couldnt also fail noticing you have been out of base for a while. We need you back at base On site, we hope admin will make it stay for good

engaging soon mate. Spotters indicate a flurry of activities from 'main base'....lotsa stuff to catch up on.

 

[hargeisa]

kenya cant defeat somali blood people iremember kenya fought with small group of shifta in 70s an 80 s and never captured them so now somali from north frotie disrict also wiill gin power and one day wiil be threat to kenya
:israel::lock1::der:

 

[Delta4]

Kshaka, Livefire, Kabarindi - is everyone welcome in this little dance here?

Two very simplistic pieces by Obbo and Rasna I find to be simply gutter journalism purveying impressions of intellectualism in Journalism. Obbo’s piece recently, which though full of cleverly manipulated conjecture and fantasy, stands miles ahead of the one by Rasna Warah in terms of imagination and journalistic flair – if such a thing exists.

KDF jumped into Somalia to wage war on a faceless enemy that threatened Kenya’s very survival as a Socio-politico-economic entity. And only in consequence to manifestation of a Real and Present Threat - all other alternatives for managing this formless Somalia Conflict over the past twenty years had dismally failed – a fact that Rasna conveniently disregards from the lofty perch upon which she writes this shallow piece. No Philanthropic grand justifications, purely National Interests. Even so, it is not lost on the KDF Planners that a purely Military initiative cannot show resilient success in this theatre, having been tried repeatedly by a multiplicity of players in the past without tangible and conclusive benefit (and the Ethiopians now repeat the same pedestrian strategic errors of their first Somali Deployment with the same results increasing looking probable – an eventual withdrawal with their tails between their legs and body bags clogging their National Psyche). The fight in Somali is not a War in the sense it – it has neither ideology nor nationalistic pretentions. It is formless, lacks character and definition – Al Shabaab could easily be the ASWJ by distinction. The fight is internecine in tactical development and history. In simple terms, it’s akin to a heavily-crime ridden neighborhood that is desperate for heavy Police clean-up, in which the only option is either shooting all or as many of the suspect criminals or alternatively throwing down the option of giving the criminal elements options the Superintendent Patrick Shaw way – ‘’get out of town or get out of crime’’!! . Ergo -. The KDF enlists the Somalia Community in our Theatre of Operations into the risks and benefits of our failure and success, by encouraging their introspective dialogue, engendering ‘community policing’’, providing social alternatives and extending civilian authority in social programs no matter how rudimentary in this situation appertaining of insecurity and chaos, etc.

Such has been KDF Modus Operandis; it is what will break the perpetual circle of this Somalia Conflict by eliminating communal ‘’losers ‘’and ‘’winners’’ of this senseless conflict; it is what the Ethiopians in their ham-fisted methods are failing to do – in response to an IED attack, the ENDF usually engage in an orgy of violence in which invariably the victims are uninvolved civilians; from the frequency of AlShabaab direct or indirect attacks upon the ENDF with a growing casualty rate in the Ethiopian Sector-command, lies the genesis of a quagmire that would bog down the rest of us in a conflict maelstrom that has become enculturalized in Somalia. Ethiopia departure from Somalia could be as if they were never in Somalia in the first place but for the Coffins sent home of their boys lost in Somalia! It is the heresy to opine as have done these two part-time journalists that KDF is losing grips of our Somalia Deployment. Somalia will always be Kenya’s eastern neighbor beyond a testosterone-led assault of Kismayo, with population dynamics very much akin to Kenya’s own North Eastern Province. That is the long term view, gentlemen!!

 

[Kabaridi]

Welcome abode Delta4, I have currently noticed the once highly audible and notable frogs have stopped croaking

 

[Delta4]

Welcome abode Delta4, I have currently noticed the once highly audible and notable frogs have stopped croaking

Thanks buddy. And you are spot on - too much pettiness in some of these exchanges here.

Looks like livefire has been taking quite some heavy fire lately. Time to call in for CAS.

Btw, its heating up kiasi in Sector III. If that is where you are at, watch your six, mate.

 

[livefire]

Thanks buddy. And you are spot on - too much pettiness in some of these exchanges here.

Looks like livefire has been taking quite some heavy fire lately. Time to call in for CAS.

Btw, its heating up kiasi in Sector III. If that is where you are at, watch your six, mate.

welcome aboard Delta4....what took you guys forever (CAS), alil bit of indiscriminate shelling here n there but am gud.

 

[Kabaridi]

Thanks buddy. And you are spot on - too much pettiness in some of these exchanges here.

Looks like livefire has been taking quite some heavy fire lately. Time to call in for CAS.

Btw, its heating up kiasi in Sector III. If that is where you are at, watch your six, mate.

Thanks mate, keenly watching sector III. Them petty exchanges; it would be needless to infinitely argue without foundational scripts from the theater that hold water.

 

[Kabaridi]

Thanks buddy. And you are spot on - too much pettiness in some of these exchanges here.

Looks like livefire has been taking quite some heavy fire lately. Time to call in for CAS.

Btw, its heating up kiasi in Sector III. If that is where you are at, watch your six, mate.

Thanks mate, keenly watching sector III. On them petty exchanges; it would be needless to infinitely argue without foundational scripts from the theater.

 

[Delta4]

SOC recon probes in Crazy Town & Sector III. Home for quick debrief / R & R. Preps for Chai in ''Chisimayuu'', man! AS hemorrhaging is frightening to behold!.
You watch out for the Rotary Heavies CAS coming in - sent out a general call.