Kenya says the ICJ has no jurisdiction in Somalia sea dispute case

Kenya says the ICJ has no jurisdiction in Somalia sea dispute case

Kafrican said:
Not ICC, Kenya is looking to fill a seat at the UNSC, United Nation Security Council in New York, and why should we not be given? The current president of the ICJ is a Somali citizen, you want to tell me that his judgemtns against the case won't be biased towards favouring his country and influencing the other judges? Why shouldn't Kenya also get it's foot in the UNSC....



Here is an excerpt explaining the relationship between the ICJ and UNSC .
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"Compulsory" jurisdiction is limited to cases where both parties have agreed to submit to its decision, and so instances of aggression tend to be automatically escalated to and adjudicated by the Security Council. According to the sovereignty principle of international law, no nation is superior or inferior against another. Therefore, there is no entity that could force the states into practice of the law or punish the states in case any violation of international law occurs. Therefore, the absence of binding force means that the 193 member states of the ICJ do not necessarily have to accept the jurisdiction. Moreover, membership in the UN and ICJ does not give the court automatic jurisdiction over the member states, but it is the consent of each state to follow the jurisdiction that matters.

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So like I said earlier, wacha kutapatapa, both Kenya and Somalia will have to co-sign on the ICJ rulling document for the case to be declared solved. If the ICJ rule in Somali's favour, Kenya can refuse the ICJ's judgement and ingnore it.. and Since no one can enforce it's judgement on us, it will fall upon member countries of the UN security council to vote on the matter, on wether to officially adopt the ICJ rulling or reject it, if one of the permernent members of the UN Veto's the document, then the ICJ rulling will not be adopted even without a vote. China, with VETO powers is helping in building the lapsset project including Lamu port, China is also illegally building its own islands in the South China Sea, so I foresee them being sympathetic to VETO in favour of Kenya. But if that doesn't happen, plan B is to have Kenya at the security council Wich is composed of 15 non pamernet members and 5 parmenent members at any given time ... B4 any voting happens their is usually back channel deals and lobbying that goes on, and as you know when it comes to lobbying, we pull all the stops to make sure something goes our way, and we know how to navigate the UN circles.
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It's about good international relations when u fronted Amina Mohammed for AU chairmanship u went against the agreement the EAC had i.e. to support Uganda's candidate a reason both Uganda n Tanzania chose to not vote her.

Now with ur attitude towards Kenyan market entrance of flour from Tanzania as stipulated in the EAC protocol, u might be risking getting about 15 votes from SADC block.

Mind u Magufuli is becoming SADC chairman next 2 weeks. And SADC SG is a lady from Tanzania.

On the other hand Somalia have a good case to make to most Islamic countries in the West and Northern Africa aside the Middle eastern region. U r basically sowing ur betrayal during liberation struggles.

Not sure whether Uganda will even support u as u betrayed them in the last elections for chairmanship!

Uhuru knows what is at stake, a reason he is buttlicking Magufuli. U messed up EPA with ur greedy don't expect a support from Tanzania at easy!
 
Kama kila nchi ikachukuaa chake, kenya itabaki na tsavo peke ake, mnnataka wakaishi na wanyama em tuwaachieni tu, mana hata mombasa ni ardh ya tz, tukaamua kupndisha mpka ili tuwape wasije kulia bure
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Hahaha Geza Ulole. Uganda wanataka the pink part. One time Idd Amin said Uganda border inafaa kuwa Naivasha. The blue Part Somalia wanasema ni their land. Na Pwani mnasema ni yenu.
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Somalia has auctioned the disputed area to Exxonmobil and Shell
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Somalia agrees offshore oil exploration roadmap with Shell/Exxon: minister
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CAPE TOWN (Reuters) - Somalia has agreed an initial roadmap with a Shell/Exxon joint venture to explore and develop potential offshore oil and gas reserves, the Ministry of Petroleum and Mineral Resources said on Monday.

“I am delighted we have agreed an initial roadmap with the Shell/Exxon joint venture. This gives us confidence in (the)ability to further explore any offshore hydrocarbon potential,” minister Abdirashid Mohamed Ahmed said in a statement.

Last month Somali President Mohamed Abdullahi Farmajo signed petroleum legislation into law to help open up a new frontier market in Africa as the strife-torn country hopes new petroleum finds will help transform its economy.

Seismic data suggests there could be significant oil reserves offshore.

In October Shell and Mobil, which had a joint venture on five offshore blocks in Somalia prior to the toppling of dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in the early 1990s, agreed to pay the government $1.7 million for historic leasing of the blocks.

Exxon Mobil and Shell were not immediately available to comment.

Reporting by Wendell Roelf; editing by David Evans
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

Somalia agrees offshore oil exploration roadmap with Shell/Exxon: minister

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Kenya has no claim whatsever combine Exxonmobil and Shell r the largest oil groups! There is no way Kenya can win the case at ICJ!

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Geza Ulole utapandwa na presha bure na huo uchawi wako wakuiandama Kenya na kuiombea mabaya. Unaona Somalia walivyohakikisha kwamba wanabaki upande wao wa bahari? Hiyo ndio inaitwa heshima, hapo ni Somalia, hii hapa ndio hiyo sehemu nyingine 'disputed area'. Acha umwere.
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pingli-nywee said:
Geza Ulole utapandwa na presha bure na huo uchawi wako wakuiandama Kenya na kuiombea mabaya. Unaona Somalia walivyohakikisha kwamba wanabaki upande wao wa bahari? Hiyo ndio inaitwa heshima, hapo ni Somalia, hii hapa ndio hiyo sehemu nyingine 'disputed area'. Acha umwere.
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As far as i know Somalia used this map
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pingli-nywee said:
Geza Ulole utapandwa na presha bure na huo uchawi wako wakuiandama Kenya na kuiombea mabaya. Unaona Somalia walivyohakikisha kwamba wanabaki upande wao wa bahari? Hiyo ndio inaitwa heshima, hapo ni Somalia, hii hapa ndio hiyo sehemu nyingine 'disputed area'. Acha umwere.
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Somalia signs Shell-ExxonMobil E&P roadmap
Agreement with joint venture explorer boosts Somalia’s post-conflict effort to attract IOCs to its long-delayed licensing round

Somalia reached an agreement with a Shell-ExxonMobil joint venture on 24 February that covers future exploration of offshore oil and gas blocks, according to the East African country’s Ministry of Petroleum and Mineral Resources.

The agreement enables historic concessions held by the decades-old Shell-Exxon joint venture to be converted to a new model production-sharing agreement (PSA), which was published earlier this month following the ratification on 8 February of the country’s first Petroleum Law.

“I am delighted we have agreed an initial roadmap with the Shell-ExxonMobil joint venture,” petroleum minister Abdirashid Mohamed Ahmed wrote in a statement. “This gives us confidence in [our] ability to further explore any offshore hydrocarbon potential.”

The Shell-ExxonMobil joint venture made a $1.7mn payment to Somalia last October as retrospective rent for five blocks it was awarded three decades ago under former president Mohamed Siad Barre—the blocks were never accessed due to the vicious civil conflicts that erupted following Barre’s overthrow in 1991.

“I am delighted we have agreed an initial roadmap with the Shell-ExxonMobil joint venture” Ahmed, Somalia Ministry of Petroleum
“We have a long relationship with the Shell-ExxonMobil joint venture and look forward to this continuing as we seek to provide the building blocks we need to grow our economy,” says Ahmed.

Norwegian seismic data survey company TGS has estimated potentially 30bn bl of oil lies in the 15 shallow and deepwater blocks on offer in a long-delayed licensing round that the country hopes to launch this year.

Officials are yet to advise a new timeframe for the round, which was postponed last year due to a maritime dispute with neighbouring Kenya. It covers approximately 75,000 km² and It is backed by over 40,000km² of seismic data.

A Shell spokesman told Petroleum Economist by email: “Shell EP Somalia and Mobil Exploration Somalia hold exclusive petroleum exploration and production rights over five offshore blocks in Somalia (M3/4/5/6/7) under a Concession Agreement with the Federal Government of Somalia which has been under force majeure since 1990.

“We have an ongoing and constructive dialogue with the Somali authorities about a roadmap potentially to convert the existing concession to a production sharing agreement, in line with the new Petroleum Law which is coming into effect. We continue to monitor the security and operating environment in and surrounding Somalia.”

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Somalia signs Shell-ExxonMobil E&P roadmap
 
pingli-nywee said:
Geza Ulole utapandwa na presha bure na huo uchawi wako wakuiandama Kenya na kuiombea mabaya. Unaona Somalia walivyohakikisha kwamba wanabaki upande wao wa bahari? Hiyo ndio inaitwa heshima, hapo ni Somalia, hii hapa ndio hiyo sehemu nyingine 'disputed area'. Acha umwere.
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Moving ahead: Somalia's Minister of Petroleum & Mineral Resources, Abdirashid Mohamed AhmedPhoto: SOMALIA MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM & MINERAL RESOURCES

Somalia brings supermajors back into the fold as IMF agrees to forgive debt

5 March 2020 9:53 GMT UPDATED 5 March 2020 12:11 GMT
By Barry Morgan

in Paris
Peace has broken out after years of acrimony between Somalia’s federal government and member states, with a working accord on revenue sharing and a majority of International Monetary Fund (IMF) members pledging debt relief.

The disbursement and distribution of $1.7 million in back-payment of major oil company surface rentals to the federating states is an extraordinary achievement after 30 years of civil conflict, as is the decision by 100 IMF member states to forgive some $330 million of festering sovereign debt.

New-found confidence in Somalia’s efforts to establish a stable and transparent administration is evident in the “co-created roadmap” announced this week by Petroleum Minister Abdirashid Mohamed Ahmed, in which Shell and ExxonMobil accepted the possibility of converting concessions into production sharing contracts under the 2019 Petroleum Act.

Subsidiaries Shell EP and Mobil Exploration in joint venture hold five offshore blocks in the Indian Ocean shallows but declared force majeure when civil war erupted in 1990, joining the onshore exodus of Chevron, Amoco, Conoco, Phillips Petroleum and Lundin Oil.

Upstream understands from the supermajors that a "constructive dialogue" is underway while both companies "continue to monitor the security and operating environment in and surrounding Somalia.”


Precisely what conditions have been imposed on this generous act of multilateral debt alleviation remain unknown, nor have the restive Somali provinces seen fit to comment.

Just last month, the autonomous province of Puntland bemoaned the lack of a proper constitutional framework, castigated the regime of President Mohamed Abdullahi Farmajo and insisted oil companies should hold off.

What, then, is the context of this supposed rapprochement? Militias loyal to Puntland and the breakaway Republic of Somaliland skirmished this week over the disputed gas-rich territory of Sanaag, while federal forces clashed again with Jubbaland militia in the south, sending civilians fleeing into neighbouring Kenya.


Federal Petroleum Minister Ahmed is nonetheless adamant that these accords “give us confidence to further explore our hydrocarbon potential”.

Though whether sweetness and light really has descended upon this war-torn land remains to be seen.(Copyright)

Somalia brings supermajors back into the fold as IMF agrees to forgive debt | Upstream Online

MY TAKE
Seems Lamu Port couldn't persuade oil supermajors to sideline Somalia!
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Geza Ulole said:
Somalia signs Shell-ExxonMobil E&P roadmap
Agreement with joint venture explorer boosts Somalia’s post-conflict effort to attract IOCs to its long-delayed licensing round

Somalia reached an agreement with a Shell-ExxonMobil joint venture on 24 February that covers future exploration of offshore oil and gas blocks, according to the East African country’s Ministry of Petroleum and Mineral Resources.

The agreement enables historic concessions held by the decades-old Shell-Exxon joint venture to be converted to a new model production-sharing agreement (PSA), which was published earlier this month following the ratification on 8 February of the country’s first Petroleum Law.

“I am delighted we have agreed an initial roadmap with the Shell-ExxonMobil joint venture,” petroleum minister Abdirashid Mohamed Ahmed wrote in a statement. “This gives us confidence in [our] ability to further explore any offshore hydrocarbon potential.”

The Shell-ExxonMobil joint venture made a $1.7mn payment to Somalia last October as retrospective rent for five blocks it was awarded three decades ago under former president Mohamed Siad Barre—the blocks were never accessed due to the vicious civil conflicts that erupted following Barre’s overthrow in 1991.

“I am delighted we have agreed an initial roadmap with the Shell-ExxonMobil joint venture” Ahmed, Somalia Ministry of Petroleum
“We have a long relationship with the Shell-ExxonMobil joint venture and look forward to this continuing as we seek to provide the building blocks we need to grow our economy,” says Ahmed.

Norwegian seismic data survey company TGS has estimated potentially 30bn bl of oil lies in the 15 shallow and deepwater blocks on offer in a long-delayed licensing round that the country hopes to launch this year.

Officials are yet to advise a new timeframe for the round, which was postponed last year due to a maritime dispute with neighbouring Kenya. It covers approximately 75,000 km² and It is backed by over 40,000km² of seismic data.

A Shell spokesman told Petroleum Economist by email: “Shell EP Somalia and Mobil Exploration Somalia hold exclusive petroleum exploration and production rights over five offshore blocks in Somalia (M3/4/5/6/7) under a Concession Agreement with the Federal Government of Somalia which has been under force majeure since 1990.

“We have an ongoing and constructive dialogue with the Somali authorities about a roadmap potentially to convert the existing concession to a production sharing agreement, in line with the new Petroleum Law which is coming into effect. We continue to monitor the security and operating environment in and surrounding Somalia.”

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Blocks (M3/4/5/6/7) check where they lie on the map you posted .
 
Unaweka links na husomi au huelewi ata blocks zilizopeanwa zipo wapi. Those blocks are nowhere near the disputed water.
Geza Ulole said:
Uzuri mi naweka links to back up my arguments! In short wizi wenu ndo mwisho wake!
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Somalia oil blocks put up for initial bidding
MONDAY MAY 18 2020

Oil exploration.

Somalia has officially opened the first round of bidding for oil exploration. PHOTO | FILE | NATION MEDIA GROUP
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  • The blocks are scattered in Galmudug state, Hirshabelle, South West and Jubbaland.
  • Officials argued the bidding will be run under the Somali Petroleum Law as well as Petroleum sharing agreements.


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Somalia has officially opened the first round of bidding for oil exploration, even as critics charged there was insufficient law to manage the programme.

The country's Ministry of Petroleum and Mineral Resources said the programme, known as the Licensing Round Pre-Announcement Offshore will target seven blocks with the 'most potential' for hydrocarbons.

The blocks are scattered in Galmudug state, Hirshabelle, South West and Jubbaland.

Officials argued the bidding will be run under the Somali Petroleum Law as well as Petroleum sharing agreements.
“The process will be transparent and take for one year, said Mohamed Abdikadir Hilaal, Somalia's Deputy Minister for Petroleum and Mineral Resources.

This week, the Ministry gathered some 130 international investors for a virtual meeting where they were told of the potential for the oil stock. Somalia has about 50 offshore oil blocks running along its 3,000 km coastline.
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“The pre-announced Licensing Round is the beginning of a tendering process. Somalia will only officially sign an exploration agreement when the Extractive Income Tax Law is enacted,” the deputy minister said.

Opening bids this week, however, saw some critics question its timing.

Mr Ilyas Ali Hassan, the Chairman of the Natural Resources Committee of the Somali Senate argued Somalia may be short-changed at a time of low global oil prices, changing focus away from fossil fuels and during a political season in Somalia. He said Somalia was in fact facing more urgent matters inside its territory.

“The oil price is in the lowest ever and the world is fighting for the Coronavirus Pandemic plus Somalia is fighting floods from Qardho, Beledweyne to Bardhere,” he told The EastAfrican.

“So they need to know what the priorities for the country are and the rest of the world. Also, Somalia is approaching the election time and it is a little suspicious to sell the oil blocks.”

Mr Mohamed Omar, an analyst on Somali politics, countered that no country had had a straight path in utilising its natural resources, especially those prone to global price fluctuations.

“Somalia must start auctioning those blocks. The world is moving away from oil dependence onto renewable energy and Somalia shouldn’t be left behind....This process has been lagging behind the rest of the world and the chance is now or never,” he said.

Those bids, however, were announced before a relevant revenue sharing agreement between the federal government and federal States was reached.

Somalia oil blocks put up for initial bidding
 
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