Kenya - Tanzania border closed over row on vehicle levy

[Alai]

mnafanya kazi na M7, EAC bloc iko ina waakilishi wangapi? kama nane tuseme. ukitizima history ya EAC utasema kuwa ni mikenya/minyangau waliwafukuza. na ukienda huko SADC kwa mavuvuzela, utakuta kwamba uchumi wao is 80% superior ukilinganisha na bidhaa zitokazo kwenu. Nchi nyingi kama Zambia wanategemea copper, kwa hivo tizama kabla mujitumbukuze kwa shimo na mujizike kwenye kaburi la sahau. Angola pekee yake ndio inamatumaini kwa kuwa wana mafuta za kujikimu wana miundo mbinu za kuwezesha biashara istawi. Kenya nayo ina nchi za ulaya, South sudan na Somali.

Kando na muungano wenu na SADDC, nitakueleza saddc haitatatua kuzimia kwa uchumi wenu. lazima kuwe na kugeuzwa kwa aina za siasa na uongozi za kifilosophia zinazoendeshwa.

Why are Tanzanians so scared of Kenyans? Inferiority complex or what? Anyway I have raised the issue with President Kikwete and I hope that this will be resolved. Kenyans and Tanzanians share a lot and there is no way Tanzania will ever close itself to Kenya. NEVER.

We are inter-married, we share common culture and ethnicity. I worked in Kigoma where there was a Tanzanian policeman who son was also a policeman in Kenya. In 2003 we had a Vice President in Kenya whose brother was an opposition leader in Uganda. Tanzanians are simply being idiotic throwing tantrums over the EAC issue. And it is not the common Tanzanians but just some well connected elites.

 

[Alai]

we pumbavu kweli SADC ina nchi 16 na Tanzania's economy is third biggest in that block after SA and Angola (check ur facts)! i don't know where ur getting ur concepts ati tanzania does not trade within SADC! do ur research to see how many companies have opened up shops in Zambia, Zimbabwe, DRC and Mozambique!

I don't think insults will help anyone. We need blunt truth and not cheap insults. When you resort to insults, you have failed to trust your brain anymore. Avoid insults

 

[Geza Ulole]

Why are Tanzanians so scared of Kenyans? Inferiority complex or what? Anyway I have raised the issue with President Kikwete and I hope that this will be resolved. Kenyans and Tanzanians share a lot and there is no way Tanzania will ever close itself to Kenya. NEVER.

We are inter-married, we share common culture and ethnicity. I worked in Kigoma where there was a Tanzanian policeman who son was also a policeman in Kenya. In 2003 we had a Vice President in Kenya whose brother was an opposition leader in Uganda. Tanzanians are simply being idiotic throwing tantrums over the EAC issue. And it is not the common Tanzanians but just some well connected elites.

we just closed the border! lets see how that goes...men with guts do only actions!

 

[Kabaridi]

we pumbavu kweli SADC ina nchi 16 na Tanzania's economy is third biggest in that block after SA and Angola (check ur facts)! i don't know where ur getting ur concepts ati tanzania does not trade within SADC! do ur research to see how many companies have opened up shops in Zambia, Zimbabwe, DRC and Mozambique!

Kwa hivyo hapa EAC munatuma waakilishi au ni jisi ya kuwa wajanja, musifanyie watu kazi bure muwajengee uchumi halafu mutimuliwe mbio. lakini uzuri wetu sis ni kwamba tutawakaribisha vitu vikienda mrama. BTW saddc is a non stater, utaona kwamba sababu hiyo ndio ilifanya SA na misri wa kusanyike COMESA.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Kwa hivyo hapa EAC munatuma waakilishi au ni jisi ya kuwa wajanja, musifanyie watu kazi bure muwajengee uchumi halafu mutimuliwe mbio. lakini uzuri wetu sis ni kwamba tutawakaribisha vitu vikienda mrama. BTW saddc is a non stater, utaona kwamba sababu hiyo ndio ilifanya SA na misri wa kusanyike COMESA.

SA is not a member of COMESA even in COMESA Kenya is troublemaker there with sugar industry protectionism

 

[Kibona]

ndugu yangu, mkifunga mipaka yote na bandari, unadhani sie wakenya tutaumia. zile bidhaa zinazotoka Kenya kama chai, kahawa na pamba, paireto zote sio za kuuzwa kwenu. Mnaongozwa na feelings ndio maana hata hamwezi waonea watanzania wengine kama Karasha wafanye Biashara kwa amani. Ninyi na Uganda ideology zenu ni tofauti kama kaskazini ilivyo kutoka kusini. Uganda hawaelewi Kiswahili kwa hivyo unajaribu kujifurahisha rohoni. Nipe takwimu ikiwa msemo wako una ukweli. Uganda hawawezi kuenda Dar, maan the distance is not cost effective.

Kama mna uhakika kuwa tukifunga mipaka hamtaumia kwanini mnalialia tunapowapandishia ushuru? Halafu nani kasema karasha ni mtanzania? au wee ndo unaongea kwa hisia! Lakini hata kama ni mtanzania bado watanzania ni fraction ndogo mno kulinganisha na wakenya wanaohangaika kuingia Tz, hivyo kwetu sie hiyo movement ya watu kati ya TZ na kenya haitulipi kama na nyie mlivyoona haiwalipi miaka ile ya 1977.

Kwa sasa flow ya waTZ kwenda nchi za SADC ni kubwa mno kulinganisha na nchi za EAC hasa kenya na hata hao wachache wanaoenda kenya wengi wao ni waganga wa kienyeji na wale wanafunzi waliofeli na kushindwa kuendelea kimasomo TZ hivyo wanatafuta pa kutokea ndo maana wengi huwakuti ktk public universities kama Nairobi, kenyatta, moi n.k bali unawakuta kwenye vyuo kama USIU ambako pesa ni kama tai.

Kwa upande wa wafanya biashara ni wachache mno, jaribu kutafiti ktk malawi miji ya chitipa, karonga, mzuzu, lilongwe na blantyre halafu nenda ktk miji ya zambia; kuanzia nakonde mpaka Lusaka utaona jinsi kulivyo na watanzania wengi. ukifanya utafita utagundua ni kwanini TZ haiwezi kuiacha SADC na jinsi ilivyo rahisi kwa TZ kuidamp EAC. Halafu hoja yako ya kiswahili ni dhaifu sana, kwa maelezo yako unamaanisha Uganda tuko mbali nao kwasababu wanatumia zaidi kiingereza na hawajui kiswahili.

Ukweli ni kuwa Kenya iko mbali zaidi na TZ kiitikadi kuliko ilivyo kwa Uganda na TZ japo Kenya mnajitahidi kuongea kiswahili cha kuungaunga, na kuonesha kuwa lugha sio ishu ndo maana Zambia na Msumbiji ndo nchi zilizokaribu mno na TZ kiitikadi kuliko nchi yoyote ya EAC lakini Zambia kiingereza tupu na Msumbiji kireno tupu.

Mie kwa ushauri wangu kama tunataka kuwe EAC yenye nguvu na hatimaye shirikisho ni lazima kwanza tuanza kujenga mahusiano mazuri kati ya kenya na Tanzania halafu ndio baadae tuanze kufikiria kushirikiana kiuchumi. Lakini kwa jinsi historia kati ya TZ na kenya ilivyokwenda haiwezekani kabisa Tanzania ikaitrust kenya labda kama itatokea Tanzania ikashikwa na wafanyabiashara wanaotegemea sana soko la EAC.

 

[rosemarie]

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[/FONT]Most of you kenyan know nothing,keep your dirty mouth shut for a moment and listen to what us Tanzanian think!!!******

 

[Ndinani]

Swala la vitambulisho kuondolewa EA zimezungumziwa sana katika mikutano za EAC, lakini ni tz haitaki kuondoa swala la vipande kutoka kwa their backyard, hawataki watu kutoka nje wazuru nchi hiyo bila vikwazo. kwangu naona ni jambo la kusikitisha.

Whenever we agree with our partners about the initiatives that have to be implemented, then we should not backpedal in implementing them. We signed the common market protocol which allows people, goods and capital to move freely among partner states ; why then should we impose prohibitive taxes on vehicles that help the movement of goods and people across partner states?If you think you are being shortchanged by your economically strong partners , it is because of your own stupidity of sending mediocre representatives to the East African legislature!!

 

[Straddler]

Enyi wananchi wenzangu, hii tukio ndio inaitwa minyororo ya ukoloni mambo leo. Wako hapa wana tupia wazungu lawama za ukoloni na bado wao wanatenda hivi vitu. kwani, serikali ya tanzania inaongozwa na watu kutoka Rwanda ambao wana damu ya akina felicien kabuga. ikiwa EAC ilivunjwa na wakenya, there is a new initiaive, basi nadhani the government of kenya should reciprocate kufurusha hawa watu. Kama wako SADCC why are they sending their representatives to EAC?!! au ni vile HQ iko Arusha. Colonial borders ndio mpaka karne ya ishirini na moja tunataka kufaharikia.


Sasa hivi EAC twajua ina serious participants wanne. Kwa vile ninatizama Tanzania is a complete waste of time. Ni watu ambao hawajielewi, They neither know left nor right. they are lodged on complete idiocy.

Kwanini hatuoni Uganda na uchumi wao mdogo wakinyanyasa watu kwenye boda Malaba?. Kwani, TZ mumefilisika kiwango hicho. This is simmilar to trade embargoes BTW, kwasababu sioni jinsi serikali itatoza watu pesa kiasi nyingi, au uwenda ikiwa tz business sector imejaa wageni kutoka EAC, ndio maana wanatafuta kila njia za kumaximize, mapato but at the end of the day naona its a way of putting a message across.

Jambo lingine, naona huyu mtu anayelalamika si hata wa kutoka kenya mkoa wa kati, lakini Mr karasha anaonekana ni mtanzania who is willing to do business but, due to his kinsmen's narrow scope of thinking inanishangaza kwa nini wakati huu, watu wanatafuta kufanya biashara, serikali inaweza kuongeza & 200.

Hili taifa ni lini itaondoka kutoka kwenye giza???

That having being said, I think the way to go is below??

http://www.meac.go.ke/index.php?opt...ew&gid=64&tmpl=component&format=raw&Itemid=46
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Mind your language, young man.
What you Kenyans are looking for is an easy life, which is, sadly to say, does not exist.
Use your heads!!. When the border was closed in late 70's, we still had Kimbo and Blue band here..!!!

 

[Kibona]

Why are Tanzanians so scared of Kenyans? Inferiority complex or what? Anyway I have raised the issue with President Kikwete and I hope that this will be resolved. Kenyans and Tanzanians share a lot and there is no way Tanzania will ever close itself to Kenya. NEVER.

We are inter-married, we share common culture and ethnicity. I worked in Kigoma where there was a Tanzanian policeman who son was also a policeman in Kenya. In 2003 we had a Vice President in Kenya whose brother was an opposition leader in Uganda. Tanzanians are simply being idiotic throwing tantrums over the EAC issue. And it is not the common Tanzanians but just some well connected elites.

Hopeless analyst! who told you we scare kenyans? who said its inferiority complex? You better say we suffer from superiority complex. For your info we share nothing with kenyans except kiswahili.
It seems you are very poor in analysis and conclusions how can you rely on your kigoma policeman with his son in kenya and conclude that there is inter-marriage btn kenyans and Tanzanians. Refering to extended family I have a reasonable number of relatives in Zambia and they are zambians by birth but I can't draw a conclusion that zambians and Tanzanians are inter-marrying so we should become much closer nationalwise and if it is so, then Tanzania is inter-marrying with every country in the world.

 

[Geza Ulole]

and here they claim to have no issues with Uganda while the whole World knows they pay customs wherever they sneak in their noses in Migingo! How embarrassing is that?

 

[rosemarie]

Why are Tanzanians so scared of Kenyans? Inferiority complex or what? Anyway I have raised the issue with President Kikwete and I hope that this will be resolved. Kenyans and Tanzanians share a lot and there is no way Tanzania will ever close itself to Kenya. NEVER.

We are inter-married, we share common culture and ethnicity. I worked in Kigoma where there was a Tanzanian policeman who son was also a policeman in Kenya. In 2003 we had a Vice President in Kenya whose brother was an opposition leader in Uganda. Tanzanians are simply being idiotic throwing tantrums over the EAC issue. And it is not the common Tanzanians but just some well connected elites.

intermarried with who?? Kenyan?/nooooo,,is not true

 

[simplemind]

Let me begin by saying "oh my God" What happened to the much hyped free movement. Surely there some people in authority smoking crack. Always dashing the dream of borderless EA.

 

[Kabaridi]

Hopeless analyst! who told you we scare kenyans? who said its inferiority complex? You better say we suffer from superiority complex. For your info we share nothing with kenyans except kiswahili.
It seems you are very poor in analysis and conclusions how can you rely on your kigoma policeman with his son in kenya and conclude that there is inter-marriage btn kenyans and Tanzanians. Refering to extended family I have a reasonable number of relatives in Zambia and they are zambians by birth but I can't draw a conclusion that zambians and Tanzanians are inter-marrying so we should become much closer nationalwise and if it is so, then Tanzania is inter-marrying with every country in the world.

There are intermarriages, especially with Tanzanian men at mombasa near likoni channel, much as they may not originate from Arusha, Moshi, Tanga, or, Dar or have simmilar sentiments like you my learned friends, it is only that there is very little information slipping out with regards to the migration, but now I am glad you are aware. I have lived personally in mombasa for a decade. I am telling you what you know.

So the myth that Tanzanians are not crossing borders to Kenya is simply a mirage:A S-coffee:

 

[Kibona]

Whenever we agree with our partners about the initiatives that have to be implemented, then we should not backpedal in implementing them. We signed the common market protocol which allows people, goods and capital to move freely among partner states ; why then should we impose prohibitive taxes on vehicles that help the movement of goods and people across partner states?If you think you are being shortchanged by your economically strong partners , it is because of your own stupidity of sending mediocre representatives to the East African legislature!!

Go and revise the agreement; We signed the common market protocol under conditions, we said property ownership and free movement should be kept aside i.e every member agreed with us, and that is why we even rejected the use of identity cards instead of passports. Now who is backpedalling implementation? We said in the agreement we are not ready to allow 100% free movement of people and goods, we are again insisting over and over again please you just leave us alone we know what we are doing, we are using our own principles in running our country and not the kenyan principles. If you think we are backpedalling on implementation, then you just terminate our membership.

 

[Kibona]

There are intermarriages, especially with Tanzanian men at mombasa near likoni channel, much as they may not originate from Arusha, Moshi, Tanga, or, Dar or have simmilar sentiments like you my leaned friends, it is only that there is very little information slipping out with regards to the migration, but now I am glad you are aware. I have lived personally in mombasa for a decade. I am telling you what you know.

So the myth that Tanzanians are not crossing borders to Kenya is simply a mirage:A S-coffee:

We intermarry with Somalis just as how you do, now if the ishu is inter-marriage then why don't you struggle to trade with Somalia? I also told you there are inter-marriages with Zambians now why don't you give us room to choose with whom to interact because if the issue is inter-marriage then we can still choose to interact with commoro rather than kenya putting in mind that we inter marry more with commorians than kenyans.

 

[TzPride]

Hellooooooooo! where is Charles Njonjo?Ukiambiwa usikrosi boda ya mtu, si unarudi kwenu? Sasa unaanza kulialia na kumtukana mtu kwakwe? Pambafu kenyans!

 

[Kibona]

Kwa hivyo hapa EAC munatuma waakilishi au ni jisi ya kuwa wajanja, musifanyie watu kazi bure muwajengee uchumi halafu mutimuliwe mbio. lakini uzuri wetu sis ni kwamba tutawakaribisha vitu vikienda mrama. BTW saddc is a non stater, utaona kwamba sababu hiyo ndio ilifanya SA na misri wa kusanyike COMESA.

Acha kujiropokea bwana Afrika ya kusini haipo COMESA na Angola imejitoa kama tulivyojitoa sie. Sasa unapoongea uwe unatoa data unazozifahamu maana hapa hatuko kwenye vijiwe vya kahawa.

 

[Kibona]

hahahahaha... ati we let Tanzanians think? thats an oxymoron... Tanzania and thinking, we cant put that in one sentence bruh, just saying.

Bila shaka waTZ ndo tunaofikiri, tofauti na manyang'au ambao kwao rule of the jungle inafanya kazi kwahiyo ni nguvu tu.

 

[Smatta]

you cant be serious sir, are you new here or something? you talking about dirt and people smelling? Dint you see the post where Kenyans were complaining about the influx of Tanzanian beggars in their cities to places far as Eldoret? Don't you know of Gikomba where Tanzanians sell their cheap second hand stuff, I think Kenyans have been very tolerant to all this sh*t, and its getting out of hand.. Kenyans are exporting experts, people who are highly paid to provide services that you fruits cant, despite of all what you say, Kenyans are always welcomed in Tanzanian companies and industries.