If we were to start thinking like this, you will be amazed how fast we can catapult the economy of the region. The idea is not just to wait for tourists at the border and charge them the $200; looking at the big picture thats just peanuts. Why not pull resources and market the region as a whole you uplift my down side and I uplift yours and by and large we will achieve greater goals for both.
Kenya tour operators warn tanzania on unfairness
Kenya tour operators warn tanzania on unfairness
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If we were to start thinking like this, you will be amazed how fast we can catapult the economy of the region. The idea is not just to wait for tourists at the border and charge them the $200; looking at the big picture thats just peanuts. Why not pull resources and market the region as a whole you uplift my down side and I uplift yours and by and large we will achieve greater goals for both.
Bukyanagandi
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What do you mean by "US"!
Kabaridi
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It would be the dumbest thing to think that by restricting visitors and increasing fees will actually increase your revenue collection from tourism. I think there is much confusion of policies and ideas between tourist ministry and the ministry of environment in Tanzania. FYI, what would normally degrade the environment of parks is increased human activity like encroachment of parks for activities such cattle grazing or rotational farming, and nothing to do with an influx of numerous visitors to game reserves.
My advise to your question of how to increase visitors while protecting the environment would be intense marketing!!
Mzalendo452,
..sisi tunataka ku-reroute hao tourists.
..tunataka watumie Kilimanjaro International Airport instead of Jomo Kenyatta.
..kama Wakenya mnataka kufaidika njooni mfungue Ofisi huku Bongo, mpokee watalii ktk ardhi ya bongo, na muajiri wa-Tanzania.
Kwenye red: It is working!
Kwenye blue: Yes, efforts have been taken to control/prohibit human activities in those areas.
NB: Don't forget that Tanzania nayo inapata watalii, hivyo sio kwamba wapanda mlima wote wanaopitia nchi jirani.
Geza Ulole
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MY TAKE
Ukawaambie Kibaki's Govt ambayo ina Masai Mara isiyo na Environmental Management Plan ili kulinda their encroachment activities na si the Serengeti iliyo World Heritage Site! A dumb guy like u who doesn't know anything about the environmental state in Masai Mara will rant anything just to defend his dumbest demands! BTW in the Serengeti the Masai have lived for centuries and still allowed u to see the Serengeti in their current state till when the Masai in Kenya tried to cross with their cattle during drought in Kenya the good thing is the GOT intervened to block them with their mass migration! Ur the dumbest person ever n yet u claim to know! Do u know how many cars move to the Serengeti on daily basis do u know their carbon foot print value? Do u know their trampling (stamping) effect?
This is ridiculous!! let me speak us a professional and practitioner in the tourism industry....we have no problem paying the $200 for our vans,but we are enraged by the fact that its only in Tanzania that we are asked to pay this unjustifiable fee by the Tanzania govt.just after spending our time and money to market Tanzanian tourism products.
You must understand most tour firms in Tanzania are foreign owned.In the tourism industry..Tanzania has the most unskilled,unprofessional and unrealiable workforce in the region.If it were not for Kenyans running and marketing your industry you would have got a raw deal from the industry just like in your mining industry.
From what you people are writing here only shows your ignorance on the subject and it would be better if you would just keep quite.There is nothing Tanzania has that Kenya does not have,when we it come to beaches,wildlife and exicting physical features we have.Our expertise in marketing led to Masai Mara becoming a world wonder..when it has the same features like Serengeti.You responded by planning that bogus road project through Serengeti and the main reason being,-not because it was a genuine development initiative but -envy simply because the Mara was outshining Serengeti.
Uganda and Rwanda pose a threat because of their gorillas,still they have given us very encouraging rates inoder to attract tourists to their countries.I remembrer sometime back Museveni asked why would they charge visitors coming to Uganda when they are cooming to spend their money in the country!?..this has really encouraged small operators like us to even afford to develop and market an East African Package..something that could not happen before.
By charging $200,you may feel happy because of this,but you are the loosers..because we have options remember! the tourists that would have spent on accomandation,travel,amusement parks etc woulg go somewhere else.In Kenya One tourist coming into the country creates atleat three jobs,and i believe the same applies to Tanzania,so jobs are created in another country.....
We do you a favor by marketing and bringing tourists to your country..dont be decieved and feel proud that you attract "high end tourists" this ones benefit huge and multinational companies not an ordinary Tanzanian..mass tourism benefit the masses because they visit areas ,a huge spender cannot visit and this interection with the locals benefit the community and in turn brings repeat business.
Now your opinion of Kenyan companies start sister companies in Tanzania is welcome but the challange is getting quallified Tanzanians to run the firm,one must be forced to import human resource from Kenya,this again will subject this talented young stars to harrasment from immigration officials! the work permit ,blah blah etc
Tanzania must rethink on what you want to gain,no country can survive by itself,you need other countries to trade,but i dont know why you glorify stupidity,ignorance,mediocrity,and laziness under the guise of patrriotism.when will you wake up and i am sure many of you that contribute here are just as poor as any other Tanzanian.
We are bulding your economy but you dont see it,your do not have a fuctional Airline,we wanted to run one for you but you forced us to partner with one of your tycoons through Precision air,Fly 540,Air kenya,east african safaris will continue serving you lazy,incompetent and vision less people..
Yes Mt Kilimanjaro is Kenyan you know that!! soon we will adopt Serengeti,that is why we are building an airport in Taveta..to drain traffic from your main airport at Dar...the worst is you can do nothing about it!! we can manage to stop your road project in Serengeti..but you cant do anything about the our airport project in taveta and yet it will negatively affect your economy!!..you do not have the guts!!
You talk we act!!..we will continue paying your fee..but we will end up being the main beneficiaries of your tourism industry....
From what you've just written you really don't need Tanzania do you? You have everything, and I wonder why would you want to cooperate with "lazy,incompetent and vision less people?
Serengeti road? You will be surprised!
livefire
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good reply moyo, the govt of this forum has jammed my post after getting sensational creeps of what i was about to spray on that page. They prefer it Kenyan vs Tanzania so let it be the dance. The 200$ tag is nonsensical, for a moment were it not for Kenyas effort the wildbeast migration would never have been a wonder. Its coz of Kenyas hardwork in marketting the mara that the status of the mara was elevated. Tz were only joy riders. How comes wen we do the costly marketting there is no cost sharing then some slow guys come and say we are ripping them off...absurdity of the highest order. How does a nation rely on Kenyas flagcarrier (a neighbour) to ferry tourists to Tz? in other words you expect we market Kenya+Tanzania again then you charge our tour operators this stupid border fees? You talk, Kenyans act. I forgot, EAC charter advocates for free movement of people and goods. Why are these fees levied on Kenyans, are they levied on the Rwandeese, Ugandans et cetera.
Kabaridi
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Now we would normally assume that increased visitor presence is a hindrance, but certainly nor sir. Now, how is the carbon foot print value a deterrent? That to my terms would be negligible, and I do not think that will have any effect on a thriving ecosystem. Now to stop Kenyan Masai migration and to allow Tanzanian Masai migration within Serengeti is double-speak, given they both have a non-sedentary lifestyles.
IMHO; Serengeti is a world heritage site and Masai Mara is the "eighth wonder of the world", but both have been carefully conserved through time and the drought patterns at the Mara is seasonal, so this will ultimately make the wildlife seek pastures down south. Kenya has KWS (Kenya wildlife service) and KFS (Kenya forest service) working to ensure the environment within the Mara is conserved plus local and international conservationists.
Geza Ulole
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this is a very stupid pride eighth wonder? :llama:who gave u that title? n can u show me the evidence? Or from the voting fans who r lame like u? can u compare an ecological value of a UNESCO World Heritage site (IUCN category II) to that? U r real an ignorant person i'm sorry to tell ur knowledge of things is so low don't keep on disgrace urself! Carbon foot print means the CO emission per car that moves to the Serengeti NP n in a daily basis there r an estimate of not less than 500 vans that move to the Serengeti! Those cars r enough to us!
Most of the tourists for northern circuit comes through KIA and partly Dar. KQ yes do bring in a few but more so for Zanzibar. That's why you will find KQ route is busier between Zanzibar, Mombasa & Noirobi than Dar - Nairobi. I am sure you are aware that we do get international flights in both DAR & KIA.
It is amazing to hear that Kenya was/is responsible for developing/ driving Tanzania's tourism market!. Absolutely incredible! And it seems to me we dont really know each other despite the fact that we are neighbours! But let me say this, for a very long time Kenya has held this belief of being the only bwana mkubwa in the region. Whether they've taken notice (seriosly) of the changes happening next door - possibly not. Tanzania will not leave all its doors wide open before 2015.
Kabaridi
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The only thing that Serengeti overshadows the Mara is size and nothing more. Now in kenya we have many unesco heritage sites e.g the old town of lamu and the fort-jesus just to name but a few. Now that carbon emission would not have any effect more than what a proposed highway and its completion would have on the status of the ecosystem. you do not need to be told that would lead to Increased human activity and threaten to obliterate wildlife from their rightful and respective location.
Geza Ulole
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This one UNESCO is about to strip its title cause of LAPSSET! n even if it status stays; there is no NP in the whole of Africa if not World that can be compared to the Serengeti on its ecological value get the fact fool! that's why u cry a river over it...
livefire
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FJM read how your govt likes to talk, read the whole excerpt...all talk no show. Soon the next battle will be the ports and with that you stand no chance. Its aggressive economic reforms, lemmie not keep u waiting...furahia makala ya wolfgang.
Tanzania tourism news Support Mwanza
and Lake Victoria tourism, stakeholders
ask government
MWANZA TOURISM STAKEHOLDERS DEMAND
BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE
According to a regular source from Arusha
did tourism stakeholders meet over the last
weekend in Mwanza, Tanzanias lakeside
port town on Lake Victoria, to discuss the
way forward of how to better promote
travel into this part of the country and have
a greater share of tourism receipts.
Members of the Tourism Development
Initiative and other groups came together to
map out how best this will be possible and
amongst the key issues mentioned to this
correspondent was the upgrading of
Mwanza airport. Said the source in an email
received yesterday: We heard that Kisumu
is now a big international airport with
more flights and more visitors. We in
Mwanza would also like to see such
efforts by our government. The plans to
build another international airport near
the Serengeti are rubbish really. We have
Mwanza already in place and with some
upgrading it can go a long way to serve
our part of Tanzania. From here it is two
hours drive to the Serengeti, or with the
smaller aircraft even less than half an
hour to some of the park airfields. From
Arusha it is a long way by road and takes
a longer time to fly into the park. But from
Mwanza it is so much easier and as an
extra attraction we have Lake Victoria
right here. Most tourists to Tanzania never
see the biggest lake in Africa. We are
losing visitors and revenues and TTB and
others must now shape up and promote
us as much as they promote the parks.
Lake Victoria gets very little promotion
from the tourist board and yet there is
fishing, bird watching, sunset cruises,
island visits. We should also try to have
more airlines from Uganda and Kenya
come here with extra flights to bring
passengers. Lets work together to achieve
better results here for us .
Another periodic source from Arusha
added: Government could do a lot for us
here. Instead of talking about a new
railway to Musoma they should fix up and
modernize the rail link from Arusha to
Mwanza. That way tourists could even use
the train which right now is too slow. That
would be a better option and much
cheaper too. And at the same breath I add
our opposition to the highway plans
through Serengeti. They should build the
road around the south part of Serengeti
as a good highway and then link Mwanza
too. That way the road used now through
Ngorongoro and Serengeti can be relieved
of heavy traffic. This government should
stop making so much noise about things
which are not happening anyway and
concentrate to develop and modernize
what we already have and what they
have let go into disrepair for too long. And
they should also stop listening to pressure
from KADCO (Kilimanjaro Airport
Development Company) and allow more
flights from Arusha airport which is easier
for people to reach than driving so far out
almost to Moshi. Sentiments often heard
yes seemingly so far fallen on rather deaf
ears.
Precision Air is operating several flights a
day between Dar es Salaam, Kilimanjaro
International and Mwanza and a source
close to the airline made it known that they
would support any initiative to promote
greater travel to the Lake Victoria town
should the tourist board roll out a campaign.
Watch this space.
Tanzania tourism news Support Mwanza
and Lake Victoria tourism, stakeholders
ask government
MWANZA TOURISM STAKEHOLDERS DEMAND
BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE
According to a regular source from Arusha
did tourism stakeholders meet over the last
weekend in Mwanza, Tanzanias lakeside
port town on Lake Victoria, to discuss the
way forward of how to better promote
travel into this part of the country and have
a greater share of tourism receipts.
Members of the Tourism Development
Initiative and other groups came together to
map out how best this will be possible and
amongst the key issues mentioned to this
correspondent was the upgrading of
Mwanza airport. Said the source in an email
received yesterday: We heard that Kisumu
is now a big international airport with
more flights and more visitors. We in
Mwanza would also like to see such
efforts by our government. The plans to
build another international airport near
the Serengeti are rubbish really. We have
Mwanza already in place and with some
upgrading it can go a long way to serve
our part of Tanzania. From here it is two
hours drive to the Serengeti, or with the
smaller aircraft even less than half an
hour to some of the park airfields. From
Arusha it is a long way by road and takes
a longer time to fly into the park. But from
Mwanza it is so much easier and as an
extra attraction we have Lake Victoria
right here. Most tourists to Tanzania never
see the biggest lake in Africa. We are
losing visitors and revenues and TTB and
others must now shape up and promote
us as much as they promote the parks.
Lake Victoria gets very little promotion
from the tourist board and yet there is
fishing, bird watching, sunset cruises,
island visits. We should also try to have
more airlines from Uganda and Kenya
come here with extra flights to bring
passengers. Lets work together to achieve
better results here for us .
Another periodic source from Arusha
added: Government could do a lot for us
here. Instead of talking about a new
railway to Musoma they should fix up and
modernize the rail link from Arusha to
Mwanza. That way tourists could even use
the train which right now is too slow. That
would be a better option and much
cheaper too. And at the same breath I add
our opposition to the highway plans
through Serengeti. They should build the
road around the south part of Serengeti
as a good highway and then link Mwanza
too. That way the road used now through
Ngorongoro and Serengeti can be relieved
of heavy traffic. This government should
stop making so much noise about things
which are not happening anyway and
concentrate to develop and modernize
what we already have and what they
have let go into disrepair for too long. And
they should also stop listening to pressure
from KADCO (Kilimanjaro Airport
Development Company) and allow more
flights from Arusha airport which is easier
for people to reach than driving so far out
almost to Moshi. Sentiments often heard
yes seemingly so far fallen on rather deaf
ears.
Precision Air is operating several flights a
day between Dar es Salaam, Kilimanjaro
International and Mwanza and a source
close to the airline made it known that they
would support any initiative to promote
greater travel to the Lake Victoria town
should the tourist board roll out a campaign.
Watch this space.
Easymutant
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Umelazimishwa kuwaleta?
If u can't afford paying ...warudishe huko masimara si mna kila kitu? And mind you, no one has asked you to build our ecconomy..
If u can't afford paying ...warudishe huko masimara si mna kila kitu? And mind you, no one has asked you to build our ecconomy..
livefire
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seriously FJM, its not that i love trolling but admin made me do this. How do you bag on Kisumu International Airport to promote tourism in lake victoria and the serengeti then plan on charging the 200 dollar fee, are tanzanians being fair? Not even for a second and dont say ati mmeamka, uv been watching things go south all while.
livefire
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mutant let me allow you to mutate, respond objectively or hush.....FJM talks better, ad rather deal with a rational being.
Geza Ulole
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BTW those animals r called wildebeest n not wild-beast! Pili ****** yako ati Kenya marketed wildebeest migration! so u become Good Morning America show at CBS news?
livefire
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haha, ww mtani wa jadi siumepata ujumbe,....actually my head works faster than i type and errors are inevitable at tyms wen processing large volumes of data. If i chuz to correct what your compatriots write i will break a rib or two with laughter but i dont, (trivial issues). I am not CBS but if an opportunity comes i will embrace it mate.