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Kenya yaziangukia nchi za afrika kumnusuru Kenyatta

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nchi za afrika kumnusuru kivipi..Africa ina right gani...tayari afrika huwa hawani usemi hata kwa rasilmali zao...afrika itanusuru vipi taifa ip ya kiafrika...
..mbona mataifa ya afrika hayakumnusuru gadaffi na libya... kwa maswala ya kujadiliana kidimplomasia wacheni kuchafua jukwaa hili..tayari Tz inayo kibarua kudumisha na kuzuia ughaidi iliyoanza pale dar-es-saalam..

mbona mwaongea kama ambao hawaelewi wamekalia moto!


Africa Union out to push for return of International Criminal Court cases back home


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Updated Friday, May 24th 2013 at 23:22 GMT +3 By Martin Mutua

NAIROBI, KENYA: African Union leaders will today rally behind Kenya’s push to stop two cases at the International Criminal Court, just a day after Western nations opposed it.

They plan to pass a resolution backing a request to have ICC charges facing President Uhuru Kenyatta and his deputy William Ruto referred back to a local court. The gesture of political support comes at a gathering in Ethiopia at which Uhuru comes face to face with the United States’ top diplomat, Secretary of State John Kerry, for the first time since his election. Before Uhuru’s victory at the ballot box on March 4, a senior US diplomat threatened unspecified “consequences” if he and his running mate William Ruto won the election.

Uhuru and Ruto separately face trial at the ICC, accused of masterminding ethnic bloodshed in post-election violence five years ago.

Both deny the charges.


Their effort to secure the United Nations Security Council’s support in having the ICC cases referred back to Kenya hit a snag on Friday with the US and European Union rejecting a request to urge the ICC to “terminate” the cases. “There was a very firm response from ICC Member States and the US that they must take their case to (The Hague-based) court,” said one Western diplomat, speaking to AFP on condition of anonymity.

The matter takes centre stage today when most of the 54 Heads of State and Government from the continent converge for a general assembly of the Africa Union in Ethiopia’s capital Addis Ababa. The assembly will be followed by celebrations to mark 50 years since the formation of the union, previously known as the Organisation of African Unity (O AU).

Deliberation


The leaders are set to deliberate on the cases at ICC and pass a resolution that sets a major precedent in international justice. Africa and the West appear to be on a political collision course over the way the court works.

The draft reads: “(The Assembly) supports and endorses the Eastern Africa region’s request for a referral of the ICC investigations and prosecutions.”

On Friday, Foreign Affairs ministers form the AU’s Council of Ministers met well into the evening to draft the agenda and resolutions to be adopted by the Heads of State when the assembly meets today. Foreign Secretary Amina Mohammed represented Kenya at the session. The ministers are reportedly agreed on a resolution to have the Kenya cases at the ICC referred back to a “local mechanism” in the country.

A nine-point draft decision seen by The Standard On Saturday shows African Governments are unhappy that decisions to defer Uhuru and Ruto’s cases, as well as those facing Sudan President Hassan Omar Al Bashir, had not been acted upon by the UN Security Council.


The resolutions further affirm the AU decisions previously undertaken in 2009, 2011 and last year expressing strong conviction that “justice should be pursued in a way that does not impede or jeopardise efforts at promoting lasting peace”.

The leaders also reiterate the AU’s concern about the “misuse of indictments” against African leaders by prosecutors at the ICC.
In earlier meetings, there were calls for limits to powers wielded by the court’s prosecutors, with criticism targeted primarily at the first Chief prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo. The resolutions, which are said to have the support of all African countries except one, state that the Kenya cases are a threat to peace and security in Africa.

The Heads of State will back a national mechanism (read court) to “undertake investigations and prosecutions of the cases under a reformed judiciary as provided in the new constitution”. This, the foreign ministers’ draft says, will be the only way to prevent a resumption of conflict and violence in the country.

They will also mandate the AU, in collaboration with the African Court of Human and People’s Rights and the AU Commission on International Law, to organize a discussion on international criminal justice system, peace and reconciliation as well as the impact/actions of the ICC in Africa.

This, they argue, will not only inform the ICC process but also seek ways of strengthening African mechanisms to deal with African challenges and problems.

President Uhuru has already travelled to Addis Ababa to attend the AU fete, having left the country on Thursday afternoon.

US representative to attend


President Barack Obama’s top representative, Secretary of State John Kerry, was scheduled to arrive in the Ethiopian capital last evening.
Diplomatic sources say the diplomat has a message from Obama for the continent and is likely to hold informal sessions with several African Heads of State on the sidelines.

It is not clear whether he has scheduled a one-on-one meeting with Uhuru. The President was recently invited to London for a conference on Somalia and met British PM David Cameron privately. It is also not clear whether Kerry will address the AU position on the ICC.

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I hated the idea even before the list of suspects was out. I hated the proponents of 'dont be vague go to hague'led by one of the suspects now at the hague.
 
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African leaders to urge ICC to drop Kenya trials: ministers


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President Uhuru Kenyatta (centre) confers with Deputy President William Ruto (right) and Head of Public Service Francis Kimemia (left) at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport (JKIA) before leaving for Addis Ababa, Ethiopia to attend a regional summit May 3, 2013. A resolution calling on African countries to petition ICC to drop charges against President Kenyatta and his deputy is to be tabled before African Union Heads of State Saturday morning. PHOTO/PPS


By EDITH FORTUNATE IN ADDIS ABABA AND KEVIN J KELLY IN NEW YORK newsdesk@ke.nationmedia.com
Posted Friday, May 24 2013 at 21:59


IN SUMMARY

  • Foreign Affairs Cabinet Secretary Amina Mohammed Friday declined to comment on the withdrawal.
  • Kenya’s Ambassador to the UN Macharia Kamau hinged the request on the premise that the Security Council has “some measure of political oversight” regarding the functioning of the ICC.


A resolution calling on African countries to petition ICC to drop charges against President Kenyatta and his deputy is to be tabled before African Union Heads of State Saturday morning.

The resolution agreed upon and prepared by African foreign affairs ministers, also seeks to have African countries pull out of ICC if it continues with President Kenyatta and Deputy President William Ruto’s cases.
Uganda’s Foreign Affairs Minister Sam Kutesa is leading the delegation to present the resolution.

“We are asking the ICC to stop the prosecution of the two Kenyan principals or they re-investigate the cases because they are a lot of falsehoods,” Mr Kutesa said in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia Friday.

“We will present our resolution to the Heads of State for them to decide,” he added.

Among the proposals is a call to have the two cases returned to Kenya.

Foreign Affairs Cabinet Secretary Amina Mohammed Friday declined to comment on the withdrawal.

“We are not talking about withdrawal, rather we are discussing the relation between Africa and ICC,” she told journalists at the African Union headquarters.

The ministers on Thursday discussed the consequences African countries would face if they do not intervene, especially on the Kenyan cases.

The Heads of State will make a decision on whether to pull out, petition ICC to re-investigate the cases or have them returned to Kenya.

The resolution comes a day after a Kenyan delegation failed to get the UN Security Council to stop the two cases.

Western nations on the 15-member council told Kenyan diplomats at a private meeting that the two leaders and radio presenter Joshua arap Sang must face the court, diplomats told journalists after the meeting in New York.

The US and EU countries, the envoys said, opposed the move but China and Russia were sympathetic to the request. Rwanda, Morocco and Pakistan were also more receptive to the Kenya’s request. None of the countries in the second group are ICC members.

“There was a very firm response from ICC member States and the US that they must take their case to the court,” said one diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Kenya’s Ambassador to the UN Macharia Kamau hinged the request on the premise that the Security Council has “some measure of political oversight” regarding the functioning of the ICC.

However, the council made it clear that it did not intend to take any action on the cases.

Mr Kenyatta, Mr Ruto and Mr Sang are facing crimes against humanity charges over 2007/08 post election violence, which claimed more than 1,100 lives. They have denied the charges.

The trial of Kenyatta is currently scheduled to start in July. He has vowed to cooperate with the court.
Additional reporting by AFP

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I support kamwana in this but do u think Kenya can just fend off the west by cleverly playing the ICC ball before pulling a Bashir? Its a matter of time. Either way, i dont want him at the hague more so as my president; the ramifications are dire. Imagine consequences of a presidency cut short due to ICC; ethnic passions will rise in no time.
I believe its this volatility that fellow Africans are standing by Kenya. Kamwana needs them more than they need him, and am glad Africa is standing tall.
NOTE:
The Pan~Africanism agenda has a goal and one is ICC, jubillee needs Africa. The other tad bits are frivolous gains.
Is Pan Africanism only arisen when Kenya has a case at ICC out of its ethnicity agenda that were supposed to be sort out? That's a sick mind...African leaders should tread carefully and avoid to be contaminated with Kenya tribalism DISEASE that defends impunity always!
 
Is Pan Africanism only arisen when Kenya has a case at ICC out of its ethnicity agenda that were supposed to be sort out? That's a sick mind...African leaders should thread carefully and avoid to be contaminated with Kenya tribalism DISEASE that defends impunity always!

First of all i was a heavy basher of Uhuru Kenyatta pre his election but that doesn't mean am out of touch with reality. in fact if UK is culpable, i would want him to stick at the Hague or serve time there to teach the political elite a lesson but the issue is; What do u do when a sitting president is on trial? The peace you are trying to guard will most probably collapse.
I don't know the dynamics of Tz as a people, but in Kenya if UK will be arrested ethnic passions will flare.....#sth the state machinery am sure is aware but has no control over# not that it will be a planned systematic kind of violence but a spontaneous anticipated/unanticipated madness all over, specifically in urban centers, and trust me CORD regions will be safe but those of CORDIST in GEMA strongholds........(My 2 cents)
POTENTIAL HOT SPOTS, Nakuru and Naivasha...all slums of Nairobi, Kisumu might erupt one day after hostilities but likely to protest the killings, they never waste time, Eldoret is unlikely to erupt unless its the last option in the cards or one of their own has been touched...
Inshort, this my civilian analysis of potential drama if Uk is incarcerated and its not worth it. Media has a role to play though.
When UK/USA/EU insisted on essential contact, Kenyas foreign policy evolved, the invitation of Museveni at Uhurus inauguration ceremony was marked with some attitude directed to the west. Am sure u never missed that. Despite all indications of commitments by our dear president, i don't forsee him taking the Hague route to its final logical conclusion. Its only a matter of time.
Kenya has its diplomatic arsenal oiled, SA, Nigeria trips were meant for this specific purpose, i bet the trip by our DP to west Africa too. Ask yourself why an item that wasn't on the agenda is being given high priority in addis??? Tanzania through EAC/IGAD has no choice but support Kenya... Its like Africa is saying stop bullying us....never mind the awkward
scenario.
DISCLAIMER:
I don't entertain impunity but again for the greater good of this nation, Uhuru should never be tried as a sitting head of state...peace should be guarded. That figure up there is the utmost symbol of unity.
 
Uhuru and Rutto are like Bosco Ntaganda! shame on poor African leader who instead of looking into deep the economic problems of Africans they use AU as the club to rescue criminals. I remind them these guys (Uhuru and Rotto) promised to give cooperation to the ICC so it is their own personal problem and not Kenyan so they must not use African resources or whatsoever to protect them. If that is the case even Ntaganda,Kony,Bemba,Taylor etc deserves African voice but they are all at the heague because of their brutal past. Uhuru and Rutto are out on Bail so they should wait for their verdict and not otherwise.........why don't this African presidents club talk of Arap sang..........crazy AU and Members (leaders not citizens)........Let them face justice!
 
First of all i was a heavy basher of Uhuru Kenyatta pre his election but that doesn't mean am out of touch with reality. in fact if UK is culpable, i would want him to stick at the Hague or serve time there to teach the political elite a lesson but the issue is; What do u do when a sitting president is on trial? The peace you are trying to guard will most probably collapse.
I don't know the dynamics of Tz as a people, but in Kenya if UK will be arrested ethnic passions will flare.....#sth the state machinery am sure is aware but has no control over# not that it will be a planned systematic kind of violence but a spontaneous anticipated/unanticipated madness all over, specifically in urban centers, and trust me CORD regions will be safe but those of CORDIST in GEMA strongholds........(My 2 cents)
POTENTIAL HOT SPOTS, Nakuru and Naivasha...all slums of Nairobi, Kisumu might erupt one day after hostilities but likely to protest the killings, they never waste time, Eldoret is unlikely to erupt unless its the last option in the cards or one of their own has been touched...
Inshort, this my civilian analysis of potential drama if Uk is incarcerated and its not worth it. Media has a role to play though.
When UK/USA/EU insisted on essential contact, Kenyas foreign policy evolved, the invitation of Museveni at Uhurus inauguration ceremony was marked with some attitude directed to the west. Am sure u never missed that. Despite all indications of commitments by our dear president, i don't forsee him taking the Hague route to its final logical conclusion. Its only a matter of time.
Kenya has its diplomatic arsenal oiled, SA, Nigeria trips were meant for this specific purpose, i bet the trip by our DP to west Africa too. Ask yourself why an item that wasn't on the agenda is being given high priority in addis??? Tanzania through EAC/IGAD has no choice but support Kenya... Its like Africa is saying stop bullying us....never mind the awkward
scenario.
DISCLAIMER:
I don't entertain impunity but again for the greater good of this nation, Uhuru should never be tried as a sitting head of state...peace should be guarded. That figure up there is the utmost symbol of unity.

Well put. I personally think that resolution will pass despite the heavy lobbying by the west in Addis. We'll find out in a few hours anyway. Any decision made has to be mutually agreed on. The days of one side dictating terms are fast coming to a close.
 
First of all i was a heavy basher of Uhuru Kenyatta pre his election but that doesn't mean am out of touch with reality. in fact if UK is culpable, i would want him to stick at the Hague or serve time there to teach the political elite a lesson but the issue is; What do u do when a sitting president is on trial? The peace you are trying to guard will most probably collapse.
I don't know the dynamics of Tz as a people, but in Kenya if UK will be arrested ethnic passions will flare.....#sth the state machinery am sure is aware but has no control over# not that it will be a planned systematic kind of violence but a spontaneous anticipated/unanticipated madness all over, specifically in urban centers, and trust me CORD regions will be safe but those of CORDIST in GEMA strongholds........(My 2 cents)
POTENTIAL HOT SPOTS, Nakuru and Naivasha...all slums of Nairobi, Kisumu might erupt one day after hostilities but likely to protest the killings, they never waste time, Eldoret is unlikely to erupt unless its the last option in the cards or one of their own has been touched...
Inshort, this my civilian analysis of potential drama if Uk is incarcerated and its not worth it. Media has a role to play though.
When UK/USA/EU insisted on essential contact, Kenyas foreign policy evolved, the invitation of Museveni at Uhurus inauguration ceremony was marked with some attitude directed to the west. Am sure u never missed that. Despite all indications of commitments by our dear president, i don't forsee him taking the Hague route to its final logical conclusion. Its only a matter of time.
Kenya has its diplomatic arsenal oiled, SA, Nigeria trips were meant for this specific purpose, i bet the trip by our DP to west Africa too. Ask yourself why an item that wasn't on the agenda is being given high priority in addis??? Tanzania through EAC/IGAD has no choice but support Kenya... Its like Africa is saying stop bullying us....never mind the awkward
scenario.
DISCLAIMER:
I don't entertain impunity but again for the greater good of this nation, Uhuru should never be tried as a sitting head of state...peace should be guarded. That figure up there is the utmost symbol of unity.

livefire,

My arm chair General, today you did not line up your armored division in the battle field like you should.

Having said that let us reflect on what you have said up there. Uhuru Kenyatta and William Ruto told the whole world during the campaign period that they will cooperate with the ICC when it comes to these cases. They even took us to the digital utopia by telling us they would govern by skype from the Hague if need be. Now why should things turn out differently now that the sh!t has hit the fan? Why try scare people about ethnic tempers flaring when Uhuru gets jailed? Kwani the dude is guilty or what?. This issue was a personal problem that we said all along, yet this man is tryna drag a whole country down with him. It's not like he didnt know this was gonna happen!

Mswahili alsema 'suluhu haiji ila kwa ncha ya upanga'...let the chips fall as they may na watu waache uoga!

Why would tempers flare?...pray tell me sir? Kama watakua wanaumwa si waende ulaya watupe mawe huku or whatever reaction they plan to take...All this talk about ethnic tempers flaring is a creation of the Kibaki government and now this Uhuruto bullsh!t! Kama watachapana itakua hapo mitaa ya kati na sidhani watafanya hivyo. They will just be sad and aggrieved but as the Kenya mantra goes...People will move on!

Secondly look at the gist of this push....Bring the cases to be tried at home (Read: African soil). These people cant even fund the AU..how will they fund a court that sits to adjudicate cases that stretch the breath of Africa? At the end of the day you will here them asking for funds from the west to run the same courts...as the cartoon above shows.

We've been on this rodeo before and all this hogwash about strategic African countries and whatever. At the end of the day it was all dust!...No substance. That's what African leaders are about.

Sample this:

* In mid-2009, there was a threat for the mass withdrawal of African countries from the ICC. That was over the request to defer the Sudanese cases. Time moved on.

* In 2011, there was a threat for the mass withdrawal of African countries from the ICC. That was over the request to defer the Kenyan cases. Time moved on....BBC News - African Union backs Kenya call to delay ICC case

* In 2011 when the government of the Ivory Coast rudely bundled a shabbily-dressed Gbagbo into a plane and sent him off to the Hague, not a peep was heard out of African countries

* In 2013, Bosco Ntaganda actually demanded to be taken to the Hague real quick. Did you hear anyone yell "wait a minute brother! those folks are just targeting Africans

Hypocrisy of the highest order from these African leaders whose legitimacy is in question if you ask me.

 
Dw; Baraza la Usalama Umoja wa Mataifa lakataa maombi ya Kenya ya kufutwa kwa Mashtaka dhidi ya Kenyata na Ruto.

Wakenya waliyajua haya na wakaamua kufanya wanaloamini. Wacha watapetape. Obama watamsikia tuu kwenye Pipa akiwa anapaa juu ya anga yao ya Kimataifa
Kikuyu political machine!!
 

Africa Union out to push for return of International Criminal Court cases back home


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Updated Friday, May 24th 2013 at 23:22 GMT +3 By Martin Mutua

NAIROBI, KENYA:African Union leaders will today rally behind Kenya's push to stop two cases at the International Criminal Court, just a day after Western nations opposed it.

They plan to pass a resolution backing a request to have ICC charges facing President Uhuru Kenyatta and his deputy William Ruto referred back to a local court. The gesture of political support comes at a gathering in Ethiopia at which Uhuru comes face to face with the United States' top diplomat, Secretary of State John Kerry, for the first time since his election. Before Uhuru's victory at the ballot box on March 4, a senior US diplomat threatened unspecified "consequences" if he and his running mate William Ruto won the election.

Uhuru and Ruto separately face trial at the ICC, accused of masterminding ethnic bloodshed in post-election violence five years ago.

Both deny the charges.


Their effort to secure the United Nations Security Council's support in having the ICC cases referred back to Kenya hit a snag on Friday with the US and European Union rejecting a request to urge the ICC to "terminate" the cases. "There was a very firm response from ICC Member States and the US that they must take their case to (The Hague-based) court," said one Western diplomat, speaking to AFP on condition of anonymity.

The matter takes centre stage today when most of the 54 Heads of State and Government from the continent converge for a general assembly of the Africa Union in Ethiopia's capital Addis Ababa. The assembly will be followed by celebrations to mark 50 years since the formation of the union, previously known as the Organisation of African Unity (O AU).

Deliberation


The leaders are set to deliberate on the cases at ICC and pass a resolution that sets a major precedent in international justice. Africa and the West appear to be on a political collision course over the way the court works.

The draft reads: "(The Assembly) supports and endorses the Eastern Africa region's request for a referral of the ICC investigations and prosecutions."

On Friday, Foreign Affairs ministers form the AU's Council of Ministers met well into the evening to draft the agenda and resolutions to be adopted by the Heads of State when the assembly meets today. Foreign Secretary Amina Mohammed represented Kenya at the session. The ministers are reportedly agreed on a resolution to have the Kenya cases at the ICC referred back to a "local mechanism" in the country.

A nine-point draft decision seen by The Standard On Saturday shows African Governments are unhappy that decisions to defer Uhuru and Ruto's cases, as well as those facing Sudan President Hassan Omar Al Bashir, had not been acted upon by the UN Security Council.


The resolutions further affirm the AU decisions previously undertaken in 2009, 2011 and last year expressing strong conviction that "justice should be pursued in a way that does not impede or jeopardise efforts at promoting lasting peace".

The leaders also reiterate the AU's concern about the "misuse of indictments" against African leaders by prosecutors at the ICC.
In earlier meetings, there were calls for limits to powers wielded by the court's prosecutors, with criticism targeted primarily at the first Chief prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo. The resolutions, which are said to have the support of all African countries except one, state that the Kenya cases are a threat to peace and security in Africa.

The Heads of State will back a national mechanism (read court) to "undertake investigations and prosecutions of the cases under a reformed judiciary as provided in the new constitution". This, the foreign ministers' draft says, will be the only way to prevent a resumption of conflict and violence in the country.

They will also mandate the AU, in collaboration with the African Court of Human and People's Rights and the AU Commission on International Law, to organize a discussion on international criminal justice system, peace and reconciliation as well as the impact/actions of the ICC in Africa.

This, they argue, will not only inform the ICC process but also seek ways of strengthening African mechanisms to deal with African challenges and problems.

President Uhuru has already travelled to Addis Ababa to attend the AU fete, having left the country on Thursday afternoon.

US representative to attend


President Barack Obama's top representative, Secretary of State John Kerry, was scheduled to arrive in the Ethiopian capital last evening.
Diplomatic sources say the diplomat has a message from Obama for the continent and is likely to hold informal sessions with several African Heads of State on the sidelines.

It is not clear whether he has scheduled a one-on-one meeting with Uhuru. The President was recently invited to London for a conference on Somalia and met British PM David Cameron privately. It is also not clear whether Kerry will address the AU position on the ICC.

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It is too late because the tussle has changed to a continental push challenging the ICC. kenya would have been more burdened if it were challenging on its own..mkuu wangu too late for hizi kutoka standard
 
Wacha sheria zifuate mkondo wake..Kama hawana hatia ICC itasema, watu wengi walipoteza maisha.Kuwa viongozi waandamizi katika serikali siyo sababu ya kutokushitakiwa..
 
I like the way this thread and the posts therein are gleaming brightly just from the comments made by CORD moderates like livefire Ab-Titchaz...:-*:nono:

In short wenzangu....the discourse has narrowed to two school of thoughts; one side cheering on western bigotry versus the other Pro-pan-African side. Point number one, as M7 correctly says, the ICC wants to incarcerate the son of kamaliza for political reasons which the west has tried since 2008 to influence the political landscape in kenya in vain. Sammy has faced difficulty influencing the EAC after the kibaki administration adopted an face-eastward policy and Kenyas rigidity means seeking a 'softer' ally (tanzania) the only option...
Trials at the ICC (including pre-trials) inquiring on the Post election violence have been going on since 2009 and there have remained only an handful of people that believe that the inquiries are in the interest of justice. A member of the house of lords has concluded the scenario at the ICC as a tussle between politics and justice.....
The term 'essential -contact' is conceived to this effect that credible institutions (Supreme court of kenya) confirmed and upheld Jubilee's victory. This poses to them a dilemma!....if the UNSC vetos a permanent deferral of the cases.....Pls never ever think nuances from ICC prosecutor and those cheering on 'western-bigotry' will determine the fate of the cases for the better.

This latest twist is causing a dilemma to Sammy and the so called European powers, because unlike bashir who has incriminating allegations leveled against him,...
....the son of kamaliza won the democratic election convincingly and despite that has cooperated and pledged further cooperation with the court and has shown determination to clear his name even when the Icc is failing to show reciprocity by upholding 'due-process' in trials....
......M7 acts knowing very well that ICC - SDI among other strategies are post-cold-war machinery re-unleashed and If he successfully manages to rally countries under AU banner to exit the rome statues, the court is in danger of losing its significance in the African landscape...
it will b forced to commit itself into a delicate balancing act mode...or simply remain an institution for trying 'retired service members' from the communist blocs against war-crimes....
.....African countries voluntarily became signatories as a way to check and safeguard the rights of the 'helpless' against dictators only to realize they were duped and are keen not fall in prey to blackmail...

,,,,,Boscow 'terminator' Ntanganda 'voluntarily' took himself to the court after the involvement of the rwanda government in DRC and considers himself a sacrificial-lamb. Rwanda has just emerged from a diplomatic-travesty almost brought the country to its knees with repetitive references in the international media of destabalizing DRC..the smoke is not out yet....Though!...Let no one make the mistake of deceiving themselves that the ICC is interested in carrying out justice for the 'helpless' in africa against dictators......
........There are many 'helpless -people' dying in the syria conflict where sammy is directly involved, even planning to arm rebels to that effect to support insurrections. Human rights groups continue counting increases in deaths and destruction of properties. Can someone tell me what is the definition of war-crimes from a legal standpoint?? Is ICC part of the western arrogance infantry brigade?
 
Tatizo hili swala mnaliweka kama la taifa....hili sio la wakenya,hili ni swala la waalifu wawili..kesi inawakabili uhuru na ruto sio kenya as a nation...wametumia mbinu zile zile walizotumia kuwafool wakenya kuwachagua..leo viongozi wa kiAfrika wamejikuta wametekwa na kuingizwa kwenye mtego huu...waacheni wabebe msalaba wao wenyewe.
 
Am just realistic bro, chest thumping against the west, or acting like Kenya is a demi~god in this continent is a recipe for epic failure. Check Zimbabwe, check Libya, the guys u are trying to show testosterone really don't buy that kind of policy. If they decide to pulverize you China or Russia will just watch as you waste away. They took Libya out, Egypt, Morocco. The leadership in the latter two bolted to save the nation, what makes u think if they choose its Kamwana to slay we will have any better luck or history? We are no different bro, we are in a global system mkuu where things follow a certain trajectory. If sincerely Africans don't have a voice, don't expect Kenya to shout to the universe about sovereignty by its own. Check out Zimbabwe again, we are in a precarious situation.
Without too many stories; next time you say sovereignty PR, balance it to the logics of past historical events, we are no different....pole Mkuu.
Appointments of both Omamo and Amina Abdalla should really be an eye opener to whatever policy Kenya is adopting. PAN AFRICANISM, ideally Kenya needs Africa most during this particular chapter of her history than ever before.
Clarification; i dont support the hague process on a sitting head of state, thats a big NO!!!

The continental push for a permanent deferral of the cases has lit fires among the media fraternity (r they sitting pretty) but that is all that there is to it.
....Even now, their responsiveness to the current push against the ICC tells it all, and what they are (press) airing or writing in the news does not feature the controversial methods they use to indict suspects (only to justify their end).
......This is how I read it;..What M7 and the AU are doing is just faulting the methods used by the iCC to indict suspects and conduct the trials and are not trying to shield themselves or r not motivated by self interests, but contrary to this media fraternity wants a to believe there is a silent coup against the ICC.

The way the ICC will handle these cases from now on will matter if the AU 52+1 will approve it. There is no country presided by anyone with logic will entertain anything in the name of prosecutions that will cause instability & ethnic tensions in their country and It is of no use if a country like Kenya that was once peaceful disintegrates because of the insensitivity of ICC owing to fighting already present in S Sudan, DRC and CAR not forgetting Mali....

...............Hell yeah!, the 'peace mantra' is important to us Kenya because we have witnessed bloodletting which the former government that was more robust in representation and resources failed to avert the same. Do not be torn by Naively thinking the ICC will act as a deterrent against such blood-letting as we have real-kenyans that need peace. Isn't the ICC involved in DRC, do we have peace? no!.. but we have more boots deployed meaning expectations of more tug of war and deaths.

There are no records of the ICC running a case apart from gbagbo and charles taylor. These actually were indicted where war crimes took place. There was evidence that after losing the election that Gbagbo abused the country forces to his gain. The kenyan cases are uniquely different to the charles taylor and Ivory coast scenario. Do not forget these same heads of the AU somewhat approved the ICC and now they are all against it....it is all about exercising some political muscle. This is a new twist....... the ICC did not this coming...a delicate balancing act is the only solution
.....Moreover, Kenya may not pull out of the rome statutes very soon but that is a bad sign for the ICC if 52+1 presidents can speak against the court.

...It also insulting to kenyans when one concludes that the ICC is safeguarding peace in kenya..just take and have a glimpse into history and see that kenyans are a peaceful people, but are lead into fighting when functionaries of the western regimes incites them to violence...every bloody-bloodletting from 92 clashes to 97 clashes in likoni to the hallmark of the PEV 2007/9 you name them........
Kenya needs the west but needing the west does not mean also that a country is open to blackmail, threats..by throwing out diplomacy out the window. The west also needs Kenya for their strategic interests and I reckon Sammy to be shooting himself on the foot if he does not review their foreign policy....
 
Hebrews 2:18 For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted. Have blessed Friday

Add that as well very important don't forget
Romans 8:26 And the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness. For example, we don't know what God wants us to pray for. But the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words.
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Hivi kwenye hii safari ya Obama si kuna tetesi Odinga naye atakwepo?
 
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