Kenyan Security Minister George Saitoti Reported Killed

[chuchunge]

Kwakweli hata mimi nilisikia aibu mnooo,for me ningependekeza angekua brief and clear,SMART!Rather than kusoma word to word,na kingine alisahau yeye hata kama alitumwa alipaswa kuwa na maneno yake and especially wakati anaanza intro,alisahau kutoa pole kwa mke na mtoto.

 

[Watu]

[h=3]"Orwa Ojode Was Just Collateral Damage" Mutahi Ngunyi.[/h]
The media's favourite political analyst, Mutahi Ngunyi, sensationally claimed that Prof. George Saitoti might have been assassinated. Mutahi was speaking this Friday on Jeff Koinange's Capital Talk. The famous political analyst said that assassination was number one on the list of what might have killed the internal security minister, his deputy, their bodyguards and two pilots.


Mutahi said that succession politics in Kenya have always attracted political assassinations. He pointed out the assassinations of Tom Mboya and JM Kariuki and claimed that Saitoti's death might have been similar to the two only that it was well executed. He added that Orwa Ojode was just at the wrong place at the wrong time.


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Capital Talk_Mutahi Ngunyi Part 1 - YouTube

 

[baba koku]

Ndiyo maana bajeti yao imetuzidi kwa 44%, ingawa sisi ni wengi zaidi na tuna rasilimali lukuki.

Actually imetuzidi kwa 90% na sio kwa 44%. Kwa maana nyingine bajeti yetu ya miaka miwili wao ni ya mwaka mmoja.

 

[IPECACUANHA]

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[MJIMPYA]

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[Borat69]

Nashindwa kutambua mpaka leo ni nani alikuja na wazo la kumtuma Nchimbi kwenye mazishi ya Saitoti, hivi hawa wenzetu wakenya wanatuonaje, wajinga au tahira, speech ambao ata wa darasa la nne hapa Arusha asingeshindwa kusoma. Hapo serikali ya JK linamtuma Nchimbi,

huyu mtu alipata udokta wake

wapi,siwezi kusema ni aibu sababu tumezoe aibu

Udokta wake aliupata Maji Marefu College of Medicine (MMCM)...

 

[Askari Kanzu]

Conspiracy theories abound!

Since Prof. Saitoti died last week a plethora of conspiracy theories has emerged on the net.

They Killed Saitoti, Ojode entangled in the mix
Posted: June 19, 2012

Proff. George Saitoti had a small percentage of the entire Kenyan votes, me and you we can be witness to that. Leave that aside, Saitoti was gearing up with his presidential campaign and he surely had the support of our president, as it was evidently seen Kibaki snubbing leaders calling him to endorse Uhuru Kenyatta, so they decided to get Hon. Saitoti out of the picture. Hon Saitoti a silent leader but strong having similarities with Robert Ouko who was assassinated by the Moi Government.

Why would they want to kill Saitoti?

1. He was a chairman to a national party well known by Kenyans
2. He was minister for internal security
3. He was to be endorsed by Mwai Kibaki
4. He had the power to divide the central vote
5. They want to bring Raila down indirectly

Unfortunately Hon.Joshua Orwa Ojode was entangled in the whole mess (he was no supposed to die) A source which did not want to reveal its identity told 411PAP that even the police commissioner Matthew Iteere was supposed to travel with them but was tipped of the fateful and dreadful crash that was to happen (since they are friends with him). So he decided not to go. The did not count the two pilots and the body guards as they only planned for the two (Saitoti and Ojode)

I Have not spoken to Mohammed Ali, Mutahi Ngunyi, but i am sure if you ask them, they will give you the same answer. SAITOTI WAS KILLED.

Who do you Think did this?

Source: Four One One Pap blog

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

Conspiracy theories abound!

Since Prof. Saitoti died last week a plethora of conspiracy theories has emerged on the net.

They Killed Saitoti, Ojode entangled in the mix
Posted: June 19, 2012

Proff. George Saitoti had a small percentage of the entire Kenyan votes, me and you we can be witness to that. Leave that aside, Saitoti was gearing up with his presidential campaign and he surely had the support of our president, as it was evidently seen Kibaki snubbing leaders calling him to endorse Uhuru Kenyatta, so they decided to get Hon. Saitoti out of the picture. Hon Saitoti a silent leader but strong having similarities with Robert Ouko who was assassinated by the Moi Government.

Why would they want to kill Saitoti?

1. He was a chairman to a national party well known by Kenyans
2. He was minister for internal security
3. He was to be endorsed by Mwai Kibaki
4. He had the power to divide the central vote
5. They want to bring Raila down indirectly

Unfortunately Hon.Joshua Orwa Ojode was entangled in the whole mess (he was no supposed to die) A source which did not want to reveal its identity told 411PAP that even the police commissioner Matthew Iteere was supposed to travel with them but was tipped of the fateful and dreadful crash that was to happen (since they are friends with him). So he decided not to go. The did not count the two pilots and the body guards as they only planned for the two (Saitoti and Ojode)

I Have not spoken to Mohammed Ali, Mutahi Ngunyi, but i am sure if you ask them, they will give you the same answer. SAITOTI WAS KILLED.

Who do you Think did this?

Source: Four One One Pap blog

Highly possible!

 

[kshaka]

If we are airing any wild conspiracy theory on the net, let allow me to join in;

According to David Icke and his acolytes on the Internet, Obama is a lizard/reptilian. I'm sure imaginative gentlemen such as yourselves can figure out a way to use this information to bash and/or discredit Kenya/ns or otherwise to indulge in your daily hate.

 

[Dhuks]

Come here telling us they killed so and so but if your rants are not detailed enough of how they managed that, keep the theories to yourself

 

[Njowepo]

Watoto wa kitaa huwa wanasema Lilikuwa CHEZO!
Personally Saitoti namkubali na wakenya wengi pia walikuwa nyuma yake.
So wakaona waitoa roho yake kwa ajili ya madaraka,ivi ninyi mlioshiriki mtaishi milele!
Je huyo aliyemuumba Saitoti mnadhani anawaza nini juu yenu?

 

[Nyaralego]

That is an idiotic remark - what is your meaning, intelligently put, that it?

The main difficulty in Tanzania is her peoples' non-involvement in governance, due to a variety of reasons, some historical but also due to a corrupt and undeveloped political system that is more about good manners than good substance. Your Political class intentionally locks the population in the heady history of Ujamaa like some sort of Tonic. Critical discourse impossible, plurality of political opinions immature and primitive. Like Kenya was in the Eighties under an all-powerful unitary political system, so today is Tanzania.

This is not helped by the illiteracy levels being higher than anywhere in an expanded EAC except in Burundi Southern Sudan and Somalia.

And Tanzania look across the border at the vibrant and sometimes chaotic social engagement in Kenya, and retreat into their past as if this offers them comfort - delusional, superficial comfort!!
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Only to you...you have to learn to read between the lines aka read the fine print, etcetera, etcetera. You have no clue about Kenya politics and News Flash! you are not the only Kenyan in this forum... so all that blah blah blah about TZ and Ujamaa went out of the window.

 

[Askari Kanzu]

If we are airing any wild conspiracy theory on the net, let allow me to join in;

According to David Icke and his acolytes on the Internet, Obama is a lizard/reptilian. I'm sure imaginative gentlemen such as yourselves can figure out a way to use this information to bash and/or discredit Kenya/ns or otherwise to indulge in your daily hate.

Makubwa! Hiyo makala imeandikwa na mkenya kwa hiyo nenda kapeleke malalamiko yake kwake. Mbona una mchecheto?

 

[Askari Kanzu]

Come here telling us they killed so and so but if your rants are not detailed enough of how they managed that, keep the theories to yourself

Whose rants?

 

[Nyaralego]

Delta4,

Please have some decorum when addressing folks...moreso those you dont know. The above highlighted
remark is uncalled for and I take exception to it.

To save you some little bit of reading and researching effort Nyaralego, is a Kenyan lady of respectable
standing on this forum. Hii mambo ya ku-unleash condescending retorts sio freshi and I believe it is in
order kumuomba huyu dada'etu msamaha and withdraw.

Have a civil day.

Ab-Titchaz.

PS. As regards Saitoti and Co's death, all speculation is valid more-so when people like Moi saying he was supporting Saitoti in his bid for the Presidency. If Uhuru is to dance at The Hague, then I believe Saitoti becomes a big force to reckon with....In terms of experience and deep pockets. The other guy being Raila. I cant put anything past the presently constituted Police force and Kenyan Intelligentsia at large.

Mkuu ABT Mambo! Siku nyingi!

Thanks for looking out Bro...Kenyan politics is what it is...one must see beyond the obvious. This here death of Saitoti has secured the vote of the largest ethnic group in Kenya! Im yet to get more info...Politics in Kenya is DIRTY. Every election year brings new parties...wishy washy parties that are out to get votes only, after they get in its an MOU fest...they align themselves to "EAT" and all the yelling & promises made in the name of KURA is forgotten until the next round.
The Wanainchi are back to where they started (square one) and Waheshimiwa in political heaven so to speak!

 

[Nyaralego]

All the speakers are paying a glowing tribute to Saitoti /a gentleman from sole to crown. Uhuru Kenyatta ready to sacrifce political ambition for the sake of the nation . "there comes a time when nation is more important than the individual" qoute prof Saitoti.

Political Shenanigans...getting the vote by any means neccessary! Hypocrisy of the highest order.

 

[Raia Fulani]

The death of George Saitoti in a helicopter crash on June 10th removes one of the most important players in Kenya's piranha pool politics. Saitoti served as a senior minister in the presidencies of Daniel arap Moi and Mwai Kibaki for more than 30 years, but he was more of an executive prime minister than a political boss. Although he was planning to run for the presidency, his mixed parentage - Kikuyu and Masai - would never have given him unqualified support among the Kikuyu in Kenya's highly tribalised politics, while the Masai are not numerous enough to be big political players.

Although Kenya's professional classes may have voted for Saitoti, he was not a populist speaker and would have stood no chance against Uhuru Kenyatta for the Kikuyu vote. According to Charles Hornsby author of Kenya: a History Since Independence, "Saitoti was simply too reserved, distant, academic, and non-tribal - and he didn't have the common touch." A maths lecturer at Nairobi University who also wrote an influential book on development, he was invited by President Moi to become Finance Minister in 1983. The end of the Cold War in the late 1990s meant that Britain and other western donors could force multi party democracy on Kenya and also move the economy from a highly regulated state managed model to a free market. Structural Adjustment accelerated that process but without the aid needed to support the transition. It was introduced at the same time as the one party state gave way to a multi-party democracy. Ironically, Kenya (the African nation most favoured by the West) was one of the last to introduce a multiparty system.

Saitoti was a central figure in implementing both of these fundamental changes. Multi party democracy meant competition and that
meant Harambees to get the Wananchi to vote for the ruling party. Harambees are open air rallies at which the Wananchi - the ordinary people - are persuaded by the Big Men to vote for them. This means Nyama Choma (roasted meat), drink and wads of cash for the people. But how was KANU, the Kenya African National Union, ruling party since independence, to raise money for Nyama Choma? The answer was Goldenberg - an export promotion scheme whereby anyone who exported gold or diamonds could claim 35 percent of their value as a state subsidy. The joke was that Kenya has very little gold and no diamonds. Payment for the scheme came under the consolidated fund and therefore did not need parliamentary approval. But it did have to be signed off and Saitoti, as Minister of Finance, did just that. He even extended it.

Whilst he may not have actually constructed Goldenberg, Saitoti implemented it, and almost certainly benefitted from it personally. Some £2 billion were stolen from the Kenyan state. Most of the money went to individuals, Kamlesh Pattni who founded Goldenberg International, and Gideon Moi, President Daniel arap Moi's son. In all 487 companies, many set up just for the purpose, collected money from the scam. It was the moment when corruption in Kenya became the norm in big businesses and the upper echelons of state affairs.

It was a moment when the corruption tick became almost bigger than the state dog it fed on. In a subsequent inquiry, Saitoti and Pattni were named as culprits and Pattni was detained for a while. Then the whole affair was quietly dropped.

The election had been won, and some of Kenya's richest politicians, including Moi himself, were now multi-millionaires. No money was returned. Later, some 23 senior judges were forced to resign as a result of their involvement in the scandal. In a strange way the Kenyan state survived. Throughout all of this Saitoti, as well as other senior Kenyan politicians involved in the scam, were welcomed to London. This was despite a former head of the Africa department of MI6 heading a forensic investigation into where the Goldenberg money had gone.

To the British and US governments the strategic and economic importance of Kenya trumped corruption. Kenya's senior politicians became so wealthy that politics became a game based on 'eating' and 'feeding' - stealing and spreading the proceeds around an ethnic support base in return for votes.

Appealing to and buying tribal loyalty became the name of the game. Kenya is probably now the most tribally divided nation in Africa. No wonder the 2007 election exploded into such violence. Will it happen again? With two tribalist leaders, Uhuru Kenyaata and William Ruto, facing a trial at The Hague which may start in March next year (the exact date will be announced on July 13th), the Kenyan election is wide open. Victory will go to the person who builds an alliance of tribal leaders. One thing is certain: Luo and Kikuyu will be on opposite sides. Raila Odinga, the Luo leader, will run and elements among the Kikuyu will do anything to stop him becoming president.

For a while I thought that in 2008 Kenyans had reached the edge of the cliff and looked down. They wavered and pulled back. The militants were called off by their paymasters. Kofi Annan was on hand to help. Kenyans had seen a future that looked like hell and chose a fudged alliance of enemies instead. That alliance is now falling apart. The new constitution has recreated a Kenya of 47 counties, whose elected governments will be funded by the state to spend as they wish. It is, however, likely that a local politician from the dominant ethnic group in each county will be playing the ethnic card to garner support. In 2008 the main wars were in Nyanza Province (Luoland) where (Kikuyu) police shot down Luo protesters, around Eldoret where Kikuyu immigrants were burned out of their homes and murdered by Kalenjin, and in Nairobi where battles took place in the poor slum areas between different ethnic groups. If politicians play the ethnic card in the next election, this winner-takes-all war could be fought in most of the new counties between any or all of Kenya's 40-odd ethnic groups.

Source:allafrica.com

 

[Ab-Titchaz]

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Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka in our picture was the very first senior government official to arrive at the scene of the Ngong disaster. He was clearly extremely shaken and his voice broke several times as he talked to the press moments after this picture was taken. Was he shaken by more than what he saw? Possibly by what he knew about those who may have caused this tragedy? The body nearest the camera is that of the late Orwa Ojode. If you look carefully you will be able to make out the shape of his head. His legs are missing. Further away from the camera is the body of Prof George Saitoti which is partly hidden by the tree. Eyewitnesses say he was still wearing his bullet proof vest which he almost never left behind. Other rumours claim that some people saw the professor attempt to jump out of the burning chopper. This is highly unlikely when you consider how fast the whole horror unfolded.

Even when it was very obvious that the Moi avenue explosion last month was a bomb, professor George Saitoti still insisted on reaching for his favourite refuge. "It would be wrong and premature for anybody to start speculating before proper investigations have been carried out to establish the cause etc."

Those who knew the late professor well will tell you that this was indeed his favourite method of putting out political fires associated with the many controversies he was involved with during his eventful political career. His was always to plead for time for investigations knowing full well that with time people forget and move on and it becomes very easy to then diffuse any situation that would otherwise have badly exploded in his face.

One wonders what Saitoti would have said and done was he given an opportunity to comment and make decisions on this latest tragedy that involved him. Just goes to show you how life has a strange way of causing things that you perpetuate wrongly to end up coming back to haunt you and affect you in one way or another.

Pending the investigations still going on, it has become obvious to many observers and insiders that the helicopter accident that killed the Internal security minister and others is unlikely to have been an accident. Mounting evidence continues to point to foul play.

Helicopters are very different from other aircraft in that they can land anywhere and so any emergencies can easily be taken care of in good time. In the Ngong crash there was no time to react which strongly suggests that either a bomb on board or ground to air missile may have been used. Even the injuries of the late Ojode whose remains appear most clearly on our photograph in this post suggest an explosion of sorts because his legs are missing.

Admittedly there are other scenarios that would cause a fire and explosion in a helicopter but in all cases there would have been ample time to quickly land the chopper and get the occupants to safety long before the explosion.

The fact that the bodies of Saitoti and Ojode were thrown so far away from the others would suggest that that the explosion happened closest to them and away from the engine (the usual source of a fuel fire and explosion). All the others bodies were found close to the engine. And so the question that Kumekuchans must busy themselves asking is a simple one; who would have wanted Saitoti dead? Clearly he was the target and the unfortunate Orwa Ojode was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. According to the information I am in possession of, the truth is extremely sensitive but there are plenty of clues to point us in the right direction. To me the most telling was the attempt to suggest that drug barons assassinated Saitoti. Such a suggestion is laughable and can only be accepted by the extremely naïve. Instead you need to look where your attention is being diverted from for the truth.

Saitoti was no saint and indeed this blog has done a lot to expose him for who he really was. It is also true that Kenyans need to recover the Goldenberg loot that changed the man's life so much so that he abandoned the VW he used to drive as a penniless university lecturer and replaced it with a fleet of Mercedes Benz vehicles. Still, can all this justify possible murder?

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[kshaka]

^^ someone can do an entire investigation and come up with serious conclusions based on nothing more than a single photo? :lol: guys, you're getting desperate!

P.S. all this stuff about helicopters being easy to take care of in an emergency is nonsense!

 

[mayenga]

Shocking!