Kenyan Security Minister George Saitoti Reported Killed

Kenyan Security Minister George Saitoti Reported Killed

matsuo said:
I don't like confrontations especially with low-lifes like you, but I bet it's high time someone puts you where you belong; a dim-witted hoodlum. When people try to have a fruitful debate, you come up your idiotic way of thinking.

I bet you are the kind of a man that you could use as a blueprint to build an idiot.
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si ukalale basi....
 
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The earliest the commission of inquiry into the June 10 helicopter crash, which killed Internal Security minister George Saitoti (right), his assistant Orwa Ojodeh and five others, can provide its preliminary findings is December, according to a plan released by its lead counsel. Photo/FILE | NATION MEDIA GROUP

By VINCENT AGOYA - The Nation

In Summary

  • Autopsies on the six victims of the June 10 mishap, the commission was told, revealed “cherry pink” patches on their bodies, indicating that high levels of carbon monoxide were inhaled and the crash may not have been “a normal aviation accident.”
  • She said the photographs from the scene of the accident and the ones taken during the post-mortem showed the characteristic bright red discolouration, indicating a high concentration of poisonous gas.
  • She disputed the presence of another doctor whose signatures appear in the autopsy reports, saying she did not recall the doctor being present.

A pathologist who examined the bodies of former Internal Security minister George Saitoti and his deputy Orwa Ojode a day after the crash has said the deaths may have occurred before the aircraft came down.

Dr Dorothy Njeru on Tuesday told the Justice Kalpana Rawal commission investigating the accident that the ministers may have died from inhaling a poisonous gas before the helicopter crashed.

Autopsies on the six victims of the June 10 mishap, the commission was told, revealed “cherry pink” patches on their bodies, indicating that high levels of carbon monoxide were inhaled and the crash may not have been “a normal aviation accident.”

Dr Njeru said she made the observations of the tell-tale signs of poisoning while a colleague documented her dictation. “However, omissions were made in the final report on the cherry pink discolouration I noticed during the post-mortem.”

She said the post-mortem examination was done at the Lee Funeral Home in Nairobi at the request of the CID. “I pointed out that we had information we should have captured which was not,” Dr Njeru said.

She told the commission there were a “few missing details” in the final cause of death report compiled by section head Dr Johanssen Oduol and handed over to the police.

She disputed the presence of another doctor whose signatures appear in the autopsy reports, saying she did not recall the doctor being present.

“The key features that were not documented was the presence of the reddish discolouration of the internal organs, which in forensic terminology, is referred to as cherry pink,” Dr Njeru said, adding that the final description of victims’ injuries was “brief” and the “degree of their burns also not quantified.”

She said the photographs from the scene of the accident and the ones taken during the post-mortem showed the characteristic bright red discolouration, indicating a high concentration of poisonous gas.

“The reddish patch suggestive of carbon monoxide poisoning was an additional observation that was not captured in the post-mortem reports,” Dr Njeru said.

She said an internal examination of the bodies of Thomas Murimi, Luke Oyugi and Nancy Gituanja also showed the presence of soot in their respiratory systems and was also not entered in the final report. She said the ministers also had soot in their systems.

“Honourable Ojode’s body had a discoloration around the knee and on the left lower limb. We did not document the cherry red in our report,” she said.

She said a close examination of Prof Saitoti’s body showed a bright red discolouration on the right thigh while his bodyguard, Mr Joshua Tonkei, had it on the forehead and left knee.

“The presence of the cherry red appearance indicated they had concentration levels exceeding 30 per cent,” said Dr Njeru.

She explained that toxic exposure may lead to mental incapacitation, confusion and convulsions that may result in a pilot losing control of an aircraft. She said the gas may have been a result of a fire in confined space.

Asked why the team failed to produce a more conclusive report on the cause of deaths, she said several problems affected their work, ranging from lack of equipment, adequate room and time to consult with other experts.
 
Day in day out they are proving that it was no normal accident.
 
Dhuks said:
Day in day out they are proving that it was no normal accident.
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How is this not normal? What if exhaust happened to find its way into the cabin due to mechanical failure and incapacitated the pilots?

Why do people like this kind of speculation so much?
 
They better stop this, they are just trying to perfect lies. How would have satitoti be poisoned before crashing?
 
kshaka said:
How is this not normal? What if exhaust happened to find its way into the cabin due to mechanical failure and incapacitated the pilots?

Why do people like this kind of speculation so much?
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This is not speculation. The point is made right there in the article that Saitoti suffered from poisoning...

"indicating that high levels of carbon monoxide were inhaled and the crash may not have been "a normal aviation accident."

Then we get this from the Standard:


Saitoti was poisoned, State experts reveal


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Government forensic pathologists Dr Amritpal Kalsi
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By Ally Jamah

The late Internal Security Minister George Saitoti may have suffered severe poisoning. The stunning revelation was made at the Commission of Inquiry probing the June helicopter crash that killed him and five others.

The information sharply contradicts an official report by the Government Chemist that the minister's blood and tissue analysis indicated no poisoning.

Dr Dorothy Njeru and Dr Amritpal Kalsi, Government forensic pathologists who handled the bodies, told the probe team that Saitoti's body indicated significant levels of carbon monoxide poisoning.

Similar conclusions on poisoning were reached on bodies of Orwa Ojode, pilot Nancy Gituanja, and police bodyguards Joshua Tonkei, and Thomas Murimi.

Severe poisoning

"Examination of all the bodies indicated a cherry-pink discolouration of body tissues, which is consistent with carbon-monoxide poisoning. The normal colour usually takes a darker shade," Njeru told the commission.

In an interesting twist, the experts disowned a previous postmortem report presented to the commission by Dr Johansen Oduor (a Government forensic expert) earlier this month, which made no mention of carbon monoxide poisoning. It only indicated the death could have been caused by severe tissue injury.

Upon further inquiry by lawyers Fred Ngatia (for the Saitoti family), Njeru indicated the poisoning was at least 30 per cent of the blood and tissues of the samples taken, a level that is considered dangerous. She said the exact figure would only have been obtained by laboratory tests.

Njeru also indicated that the cherry-pink was seen in all major internal organs, meaning the poisoning from the deadly gas was severe.

She said such poisoning would normally cause drowsiness, fatigue and disorientation of its victims, but declined suggestions from Mr Ngatia that it could have led to the crash. She said she was not the right person to make such a conclusion.

A report by Assistant Government Chemist Joyce Wairimu Njoya, presented to the commission early this month, indicated that only co-pilot Luke Oyugi had carbon monoxide poisoning, while Saitoti and Gituanja returned negative results.

Bodies of Ojode, Tonkei and Murimi were not tested.

According to the Government Chemist report, Oyugi had excessive poisoning of the gas in blood (68.6 per cent), a level that would normally kill a victim since it was way above tolerable limits.

The latest revelation may add further doubt to the report, whose accuracy lawyers of the families of the victims questioned. The lawyers had wondered how Oyugi could exhibit such high levels of gas poisoning while the person seated to his right (Gituanja) indicated no such poisoning.

The commission, led by Justice Kalpana Rawal, may have to look closer into what might have been the source of the poisonous gas that is odourless and colourless and gradually "chokes" the ability of blood cells to deliver crucial oxygen to body tissues.

The postmortem by the Government pathologists was done by four experts, but it has now been disowned by two of them who testified that it was prepared without consultations as required.

In his testimony early this month, Dr Oduor admitted he prepared the postmortem report before seeing the Government Chemist's report.

"If I had the advantage of seeing the findings of the Government Chemist, I would certainly have reached different conclusions in my findings," he said then.

Njeru also revealed that most of the victims had soot in their trachea, indicating they must have been alive and breathing for some time while on air.

Her report showed the crash victims suffered 110 per cent burns, with the exception of Prof Saitoti. This fact had also been left out by the earlier report by Oduor.

Standard Digital News : Kenya : Saitoti was poisoned, State experts reveal
 
Now this reminds me of dr auko's death. As a teenager i followed up court dialogues to the lines. Politics is all.about games!
 
Mr.Viper said:
They better stop this, they are just trying to perfect lies. How would have satitoti be poisoned before crashing?
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Mkuu, I remember to have read somewhere that an eye witness saw Prof. trying to jump out of an accidented chopper!! In addition, plumes of white/black smoke was seen coming from the choppers exhaust manifold/pipe a clear indication of a catastrophic mechanical failure.

Sasa hii imekaa VIPI mkuu - If a colourless and ouderless carbon monoxide is to blame 4the mishap how come the chopper was seen smoking like mad before hitting the ground. I stand 2b corrected.
 
Ab-Titchaz

I get that..the speculation i'm referring to is the one which assumes that the carbon monoxide poisoning is a result of foul play (it may well be but we do not know as yet).

Applying occam's razor, it could be possible as i pointed out that carbon monoxide was introduced into the cabin as a result of catastrophic mechanical failure. Its presence, in itself, is not evidence of foul play!
 
Bukyanagandi said:
Mkuu, I remember to have read somewhere that an eye witness saw Prof. trying to jump out of an accidented chopper!! In addition, plumes of white/black smoke was seen coming from the choppers exhaust manifold/pipe a clear indication of a catastrophic mechanical failure.

Sasa hii imekaa VIPI mkuu - If a colourless and ouderless carbon monoxide is to blame 4the mishap how come the chopper was seen smoking like mad before hitting the ground. I stand 2b corrected.
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The commission proceedings are too difficult to understand and follow the position of the testifiers. So now The late Prof Saitoti was trying to be superman, but a carbon monoxide oduorless smoke was the cause of his poisionong/inactivation and death.

But it is interesting the carbon monoxide smoke was slow enough not to take out the lady pilot and her co-pilot..Hmmmh!! amazing mkuu
 
Did anyone of you catch the segment that seals Kenya's ascendency to criminals' utopia?
 
Mekatilili said:
Did anyone of you catch the segment that seals Kenya's ascendency to criminals' utopia?
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So much inconsistency,,,in their story,,,,,,i have always admired Mohamed Ali's work
but what i saw yesterday,,,,,this one,,,i got feelings that they were in a very big
hurry to make a big story.

This kind of work needs special investigators with authority and not mere journalist.

They were not shading any light,,,but bring up more questions,,,,,i watched their
Jicho pevu upto half way,,,and got tired for it got to a point where it became very
boring.

They were just,,,,the usual Kenya rumor mongers,,trying to make a story,,almost
from nothing,,,,,,:nono::nono:
 
It got boring,kwa sababu inawagusa wapendwa wako Rais mstaafu na familia yake,pia inamgusa uhuru au?mimi kwa kweli sijaiwatch.inasema saitoti na ojodeh waliuwawa na akina nani,were the master planers wakuu wa serikali ya sasa na iliyopita?
 
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