Kenyans deported from Tanzania encounter difficult times

[Cicero]

I am actually sad at this hostility btw the two countries...Personally, I have partnered with a good Kenyan friend for over a decade now in conducting a business in Nairobi .I lived in and went to school in Kenya for certain periods in life. I have a good number of friends from there. My kids go there on holiday and my friends kids vice versa.I know some Kenyan teachers in higher levels of learning who live and work in Tz peacefully..One of my inlaws is married in Kenya for years now..I have never encountered any hostility while there or while conducting business..I guess my experience is rare..I guess the business person in me realizes diplomacy helps me achieve profit...

I wish there were better relations btw the two countries...

Maybe the ones deported are not legal?

What pissed me off the most during my time in Kenya were the occasional "my country is better than yours" arguments. Otherwise Kenyans are some of the most welcoming people I've met. And selfish. I don't know how they manage to combine the two qualities. "You're welcome but you're on your own"....haha

 

[Naton Jr]

You are the rare gem on this JF from the other side of the divide assuming you are a Tanzanian just by your narration. So then having experiences of both worlds as it were,you can attest to it that most bongo bloggers here are stuck in that age-old narrative that Kenya is the hell on earth! Most Kenyans will never bother you unless you bother them and in any case they're very quick to cite legal procedures for any stalemate (after all we are the most litigious citizens on earth). We don't have that snooping habit but busy making our lives happen and in the process developing Kenya. Hard work!

Hard work without food? You are starving kila kukicha mnaomba chakula alafu unasema hardworking hehehe labda kuplot ujambazi

 

[Naton Jr]

What pissed me off the most during my time in Kenya were the occasional "my country is better than yours" arguments. Otherwise Kenyans are some of the most welcoming people I've met. And selfish. I don't know how they manage to combine the two qualities. "You're welcome but you're on your own"....haha

Welcoming based on your ethnicity sio welcome any goon

 

[logania]

What pissed me off the most during my time in Kenya were the occasional "my country is better than yours" arguments. Otherwise Kenyans are some of the most welcoming people I've met. And selfish. I don't know how they manage to combine the two qualities. "You're welcome but you're on your own"....haha

I get a kick out of these arguments...At the end of the day we are still 3rd world countries...If you are willing to invest in their country and in their people they have no problem..Their socialization is different from ours...

 

[Kafrican]

Like that

Lile basi la Simba mtoto lililochomwa moto Lamu kwa vile lina plate number ya Tanzania si Xenophobia?

Kenyans don't hold that kind of hate towards tanzanians. Number plate za Tz zimejaa pwani ya kenya, hakuna mtu hua anawasumbua, not even the police...

Gari unaloongelea ni la simba coach ltd kampuni ya Kenya, number plate ya kenya

 

[3rd man]

Kenyans don't hold that kind of hate towards tanzanians. Number plate za Tz zimejaa pwani ya kenya, hakuna mtu hua anawasumbua, not even the police...

Gari unaloongelea ni la simba coach ltd kampuni ya Kenya, number plate ya kenya


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achana na huyu fala,alitombewa bibi na illegal kenyan

 

[Al-Watan]

A a Tanzanian living comfortably in a foreign land, if the account is indeed legit, I condemn this myopic and grotesque harassment of legal immigrants with the strongest possible terms.

The current government is not only discriminating against naturalized Tanzanians and legal immigrants living in Tanzania, it discriminates unfairly against Tanzanian nationals living in the diaspora.

 

[MOTOCHINI]

Watz mna akili za kitoto, yaani kutoka huko juu kwenye ikulu hadi kule chini mbagala. Mnavofanya utoto huu wote afu Kenya imebaki tu kimya ndo mnajiona wajanjaa. Hamjui wakenya tunavowashangaa na upuuzi uliojaa kwenye akili zenu? Wakenya hatunaga time na mambo madogo madogo kama hayo. We fikiria mzee mzima, mwenye nyumba, akimfata hausigeli hadi jikoni. Afu badala ampe dushe wanaanza kubishana eti ni sufuria gani itapikia sima! 😀😀😀 I give up!

Maneno kama hayo Huzungumzwa na Vichaa na sio watu wenye Akili zao
Kuna mipaka ya kila taifa
Nitoke Tanzania na Trekta nikalime Kenya!!
Jitambue

 

[MOTOCHINI]

Even in USA,illegal migrants are always sent back to their countries,The authority in USA,(the power full and the most rich country in the world),even went further by electing a border wall to discourage the would be migrants,
Sasa kama kwa anko Trump,wanatimua wahamiaji haramu,kwa nini sisi tusiwatimue,ukitaka kuishi nchi ya watu,fata sheria zao,
Kwa upande wa serikali,busara kidogo,ingetumika,kama MTU tayari ana familia hapa,angepewa muda kuweka mambo sawa,kilimo,kumtimua,ma kuiacha familia yake ikiteseka kwa kukosa kipato

Kuna watu wakuachwa sio Wakenya hawa ni hovyo kabisa
yaondoke haraka

 

[pingli-nywee]

Maneno kama hayo Huzungumzwa na Vichaa na sio watu wenye Akili zao
Kuna mipaka ya kila taifa
Nitoke Tanzania na Trekta nikalime Kenya!!
Jitambue

Sasa wewe umekuja na stori za trekta kwasababu umeona mipicha ya trekta kwenye uzi? Soma taarifa ya mada yenyewe kisha urudi upya. Kama kiingereza kinakukanganya, si ishu, omba mleta mada akupe tafsiri ya kiswahili. wanaja

 

[Kenzanian]

Magufulo ana roho mbaya kweli.

 

[KichwaNgumu254]

A a Tanzanian living comfortably in a foreign land, if the account is indeed legit, I condemn this myopic and grotesque harassment of legal immigrants with the strongest possible terms.

The current government is not only discriminating against naturalized Tanzanians and legal immigrants living in Tanzania, it discriminates unfairly against Tanzanian nationals living in the diaspora.

You are among the few enlightened Tanzanians on JF. Your brothers on here are full of themselves forgetting that the world is interdependent. Their lack of exposure or alternative comparisons blinds their focus if any.

 

[Al-Watan]

You are among the few enlightened Tanzanians on JF. Your brothers on here are full of themselves forgetting that the world is interdependent. Their lack of exposure or alternative comparisons blinds their focus if any.

The entire concept of nationality as bestowed us since the Peace of Westphalia of 1648 following the Thirty Years War (1618- 1648), a curiously foreign notion of statehood and sovereignty, especially in its most unnatural rendition facilitated by colonial interests, is not only very awkward, but also impractical.

Granted we have accepted these borders and lived with them for years, but do we have to squabble over these made up nationalities even when the rules of the new game allow for otherwise cohesive coexistence?

I for one consider myself a citizen of the world, on matters like these, I would often be reminded of an Albert Einstein saying.

When describing the negative aspect of nationalism, most probably because of first hand experience of how the Nazi machine exploited nationalism to attain its darkest desires in Germany in particular and most of Europe in general, Einstein said "Nationalism is an infantile disease, it is the measles of mankind".

I would like to separate myself from such a diseased notion, and let the beacon of reason give me the tools to rid myself of all myopic ventures whose outcome could only be in the saddest annals of unintended consequences.

 

[pingli-nywee]

Kenyans don't hold that kind of hate towards tanzanians. Number plate za Tz zimejaa pwani ya kenya, hakuna mtu hua anawasumbua, not even the police...

Gari unaloongelea ni la simba coach ltd kampuni ya Kenya, number plate ya kenya


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Geza Ulole njoo hapa. Najua sasa utasema hili basi lilichomwa kwasababu utingo alikuwa mtanzania. Au zile blah blah zako zingine za kila siku. Siku nyingine ukinyang'anywa shamba na mkenya, nenda ukanye kwenye shamba lenyewe kila usiku. Usilete sitilesi zako hapa jf!

 

[KichwaNgumu254]

Like that

Lile basi la Simba mtoto lililochomwa moto Lamu kwa vile lina plate number ya Tanzania si Xenophobia?

Wacha porojo za Dodoma weee! Simba bus ilikua ya Kenya. Number plates za Tz zimejaa Nairobi mfano Impala na Riverside Shuttles zote zatoa na kuleta abiria Ken/Tz bila shida

 

[KichwaNgumu254]

The entire concept of nationality as bestowed us since the Peace of Westphalia of 1648 following the Thirty Years War (1618- 1648), a curiously foreign notion of statehood and sovereignty, especially in its most unnatural rendition facilitated by colonial interests, is not only very awkward, but also impractical.

Granted we have accepted these borders and lived with them for years, but do we have to squabble over these made up nationalities even when the rules of the new game allow for otherwise cohesive coexistence?

I for one consider myself a citizen of the world, on matters like these, I would often be reminded of an Albert Einstein saying.

When describing the negative aspect of nationalism, most probably because of first hand experience of how the Nazi machine exploited nationalism to attain its darkest desires in Germany in particular and most of Europe in general, Einstein said "Nationalism is an infantile disease, it is the measles of mankind".

I would like to separate myself from such a diseased notion, and let the beacon of reason give me the tools to rid myself of all myopic ventures whose outcome could only be in the saddest annals of unintended consequences.

Nice read! I wish this could be translated into simple Swahili for the proponents of this toxic nationalism. imposed on us. Colonial powers were out for an easy ride by Divide-and-Rule and now we Africans have even perfected it by dividing-and-misruling!

 

[KichwaNgumu254]

The entire concept of nationality as bestowed us since the Peace of Westphalia of 1648 following the Thirty Years War (1618- 1648), a curiously foreign notion of statehood and sovereignty, especially in its most unnatural rendition facilitated by colonial interests, is not only very awkward, but also impractical.

Granted we have accepted these borders and lived with them for years, but do we have to squabble over these made up nationalities even when the rules of the new game allow for otherwise cohesive coexistence?

I for one consider myself a citizen of the world, on matters like these, I would often be reminded of an Albert Einstein saying.

When describing the negative aspect of nationalism, most probably because of first hand experience of how the Nazi machine exploited nationalism to attain its darkest desires in Germany in particular and most of Europe in general, Einstein said "Nationalism is an infantile disease, it is the measles of mankind".

I would like to separate myself from such a diseased notion, and let the beacon of reason give me the tools to rid myself of all myopic ventures whose outcome could only be in the saddest annals of unintended consequences.

Nice read! I wish this could be translated into simple Swahili for the proponents of this toxic nationalism imposed on us. Colonial powers were out for an easy ride by Divide-and-Rule and now we Africans have even perfected it by Subdivide-and-Misrule!

 

[Al-Watan]

Nice read! I wish this could be translated into simple Swahili for the proponents of this toxic nationalism. imposed on us. Colonial powers were out for an easy ride by Divide-and-Rule and now we Africans have even perfected it by dividing-and-misruling!

On the flip side, a good number of Tanzanians are wary of Kenyans in the age old sense of "these guys are encroaching on our land/jobs/women etc" which is petty and parochial for someone who has traveled the world and live in the US . But to locals, it is their worldview.

I have perspective on how the US used immigration to its advantage. I was listening to the BBC World Service today, they had an episode describing a very complicated surgery procedure, essentially the surgery was to remove a tumor that was growing on an unborn child. There were only four hospitals that have a record of having done this successfully in the entire USA.

The woman went to one of these hospitals, the leading doctor who was directing a team of surgeons on this mission was a Nigerian Dr . originally from Lagos. That reminded me of another Nigerian doctor, Bennet Omalu of the movie "Concussion" fame the guy who basically presented solid evidence that American football causes mental issues. The woman eventually got the operation done. This made me think, all these Nigerian doctors are probably trained in Nigeria for years, then the Americans just take them at the peak of their careers.

Granted, not every Kenyan immigrant is a rock star neurosurgeon, but still,if someone has married a Tanzanian citizen and get citizenship, starts a family etc, it is just cruel to uproot him.

As a Tanzanian immigrant abroad, I can see the injustice in that. This could very easily lead to retaliatory moves and we don't want that.

I am thankful that where I am, to a good extent, people are more open about immigration and there is a good number of immigrants from everywhere. Frankly that makes the place more diverse and vibrant.

As long as people immigrate legally into Tanzania, they should have the full protection of the law.

My worry is that, it is quite conceivable that agents of the law are the very people harassing immigrants.

 

[Tony254]

The entire concept of nationality as bestowed us since the Peace of Westphalia of 1648 following the Thirty Years War (1618- 1648), a curiously foreign notion of statehood and sovereignty, especially in its most unnatural rendition facilitated by colonial interests, is not only very awkward, but also impractical.

Granted we have accepted these borders and lived with them for years, but do we have to squabble over these made up nationalities even when the rules of the new game allow for otherwise cohesive coexistence?

I for one consider myself a citizen of the world, on matters like these, I would often be reminded of an Albert Einstein saying.

When describing the negative aspect of nationalism, most probably because of first hand experience of how the Nazi machine exploited nationalism to attain its darkest desires in Germany in particular and most of Europe in general, Einstein said "Nationalism is an infantile disease, it is the measles of mankind".

I would like to separate myself from such a diseased notion, and let the beacon of reason give me the tools to rid myself of all myopic ventures whose outcome could only be in the saddest annals of unintended consequences.

Hehe Kijana kweli umesoma. Wewe tu ndio Mtanzania nakuvulia kofia. Najua hupendi nationalism but it is a fact of life

 

[MK254]

Duh habari kama hizi ni hatari kwa kweli, kulea chuki baina ya watu hadi inatokota kiasi hiki haitaisha vizuri. Ndio maana siku zote huwa nashauri tahadhari unapokwenda kwenye nchi ya watu, hususan nchi za kichuki chuki, ishi kama Wahindi, mkao wa kuwa tayari kuondoka na kurudi kwenu muda wowote, usiwekeze kiholela.

Kama ukinunua kiwanja hakikisha ni cha mjini mjini, epuka kuwafuata ndani ndani maana wanafiki watacheka na wewe lakini kimya kimya wanachemka kwa chuki. Wahindi hukusanyika maeneo ya mjini na huwa tayari kwa lolote muda wowote na siku yoyote na hawaruhusu watoto wao kujitoa ufahamu. Kama lazima uishi na watoto wako huko, hakikisha siku zote unawakumbusha asilia yao, wapeleke shule za kimataifa, uwe unawaleta nchini mwako mara moja moja ili wajimix na watu wa kwenu.

Halafu hili nimelisema siku nyingi, Wakenya tuwe na hulka ya kujiandikisha kabisa kwenye balozi zetu zilizopo kwenye baadhi ya hizi nchi, ipo siku watakusaidia sana yakija ya kukuja. Hakikisha pia unaye wakili mnayefahamiana ipasavyo, kule Tanzania hata wenyewe kwa wenyewe wanafanyiana vituko siku hizi.