Kenya's Oil to go through Hoima Tanga Pipeline

[Synod]

Nipo unajua watu wasio na knowledge ya hii sector hupiga kelele siku zote. Wakidhani hii ni biashara ya maziwa. [emoji115] [emoji23] !

BTW huyu Allan OLINGO ni kama yupo humu JF na ananisoma. Anaandika article nyingi kama vile anajibu au ana source majadiliano humu ndani.

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[Synod]

wacha tufurahishe hawa mambumbumbu kidogo...hakuna vile nchi yenye port yake inaeza tumia port ya nchi nyingine esp when we have lapsett project, the largest infrastucture project in Africa depending on the pipeline.....Kenya will build its own pipeline eventually...wait and see...in the meantime, wacha hao wabongo wafurahie kidogo...

Mawazo yako ni ile post yako ya awali sio haya

 

[Iconoclastes]

This is busniness and not politics man. remember you just need a spur to connect Uganda. rembember, Total is to build the pipeline and not Kenya. kenya only needs its profit oil share and taxes. remember Tz snatched the pipeline from kenya not because museven facilitated it, not at all. Total found it more economical to use Tz route and decided to go for Tz route. If your governnment think its more economical to have a pipeline from lokichar to Lamu which will cost $3b than just having a spur to Uganda which will cost $10m, then your government can do it, but Total or any other investor will not do that.

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Are u insinuating that Kenya has absolutely no stake, no say on what should be done with its oil?

That may be the case in Tanzania or Uganda, but not Kenya, cos the Kenyan law is very clear on the stewardship and exploitation of its minerals resources.

The fact that the Tullows and Totals and the other mining companies hold prospecting rights to our mineral deposits doesnt confer them the absolute ownership to our mineral resources, thus the licence to dictate to us what to do.
Kenya has huge stakes in those minerals, its opinion on how the business shld be conducted therefore counts alot.

Kenya can decide to cancel their licence to operate in the country, fyi.

Mining in Kenya – the start of a new era? - Lexology

That above is the overview of Kenyan mining legal and regulatory framework. Read it carefully, and see how our mining industry works.

Nobody can ride roughshod over our wishes and aspirations on what to do with our minerals just bcos they are Total. We are not a banana republic like that.

 

[Iconoclastes]

Pole kaka, naona unafight na facts, kama Bomba la Hoima-Tanga limeshatengenezwa, hakuna sababu ya Turkana-Lamu, the shortest ni Turkana-Hoima then Tanga

Gharama. Ya kucompensate land Kenya ni kubwa sana, gharama ya Security pia ni kubwa sana, kwa nini Bomba lisiingie Hoima tu pale Uganda liungane na Bomba la kwenda Tanga?,
Wenzenu wa South Sudan na. DRC wataunga bomba lao kwenye hilo very cheap and very secure oil pipeline rout

Hii pipeline itahudumu kwa miongo kadhaa au hata zaidi ya karne, Kenya itakuwa inalipa Uganda na Tanzania kodi miaka hiyo yote ati kwasababu kuwacompensate land owners ni "expensive" kwa sasa? Where is your economic sense my friend?

Tusitimize miradi yoyote cos of compensetion costs and insecutity?

Kuwacompensate hawa land owners will prove a better option in the long run than kutumia miundo mbinu za Ug na Tz.

Pole kaka, naona unafight na facts,hh kama Bomba la Hoima-Tanga limeshatengenezwau sababu ya Turkana-Lamu, the shortest ni Turkana-Hoima then Tanga

Gharama. Ya kucompensate land Kenya ni kubwa sana, gharama ya Security pia ni kubwa sana, kwa nini Bomba lisiingie Hoima tu pale Uganda liungane na Bomba la kwendayg Tanga?,
Wenzenu wa South Sudan na. DRC wataunga bomba lao kwenye hilo very cheap and very secure oil pipeline rout

Kwanza inasemekana wamiliki wa ardhi Kenya hawapati kuhujumiwa kama wa haya nchi zingine kanda hili.

Na kuhusu security, acheni kutilia chumvi hali ya kiusalama Kenya.

 

[eliakeem]

Tony254
Ok but do you think the gok can pay for exploration compensation and exploitation investment??

 

[game over]

The oil belongs to the Kenyan people and it will pass through Kenya.....bongolalas we can bet on this if you like

Man naona unabishana na facts,
Ngumu kumeza hii. Na Hivi ndivyo Tz inaovertake Kenya Kiuchumi.
It goes like this .

 

[Kituko]

Hii pipeline itahudumu kwa miongo kadhaa au hata zaidi ya karne, Kenya itakuwa inalipa Uganda na Tanzania kodi miaka hiyo yote ati kwasababu kuwacompensate land owners ni "expensive" kwa sasa? Where is your economic sense my friend?

Tusitimize miradi yoyote cos of compensetion costs and insecutity?

Kuwacompensate hawa land owners will prove a better option in the long run than kutumia miundo mbinu za Ug na Tz.




Kwanza inasemekana wamiliki wa ardhi Kenya hawapati kuhujumiwa kama wa haya nchi zingine kanda hili.

Na kuhusu security, acheni kutilia chumvi hali ya kiusalama Kenya.

It is very cheap kutumia miundo mbinu iliyopo kuliko kuanza upya, na wala usiwe na wasiwasi, nyie Wakenya wala hamtatoa pesa yenu kuilipa Uganda na Tanzania, bali Total watatoa, na nyie Percent yenu mtaipata kama ilivyo kadiri ya mkataba

Labda nikuulize kitu, mfano serikali ya Kenya inataka say 40% na Total wakakubali kuwapa hiyo na Kenya wakaambiwa wawaachie Total usafirishaji wa hayo Mafuta hapo ni sawa?

 

[Kituko]

Eti wenye mali. Kituko leo sikuwa nataka kuongea lakini lazima nikujibu. Umetaja mara mbili au tatu eti wenye mali ni Total. Hahaha niko na two serious point na kama unajiamini basi nijibu, ukinyamaza basi utakuwa umeogopa.
1) Kuna kitu yenye pengine haujawahi kusikia, inaitwa nationalisation na kwa darasa la development economics inafunzwa kwa undani. Kila nchi ina ruhsa ya kufanya nationalisation ya kampuni yoyote Ile. Nchi kama Brasil imetumia public companies kama Petrobras ambayo serikali ni majority shareholder kuendeleza uchumi.Brazil haipendi kufanya privatization. Kampuni kubwa nyingi Brazil ni public. Haswa kampuni za mafuta. Hiyo economic strategy inaitwa import substitution strategy ambapo serikali inamiliki majority shares ya kampuni zote. Enda Ethiopia utaona Mabenki na Telecoms zinamilikiwa na serikali. Mexico oil companies zilikuwa nationalised by force in 1938 na nitapost article nikuelimishe historia ya Mexico's oil industry. U.S.A walisema Mexico wako na right to nationalize as long as they compensate the American companies. Kenya pia tunaeza nationalize bora tucompensate.
2) Kuna two major licenses oil companies huwa zinatafuta ili zianze shughuli ya oil mining. Ya Kwanza ni EXPLORATION LICENSE. Ya pili na ndio muhimu ni PRODUCTION LICENSE. Bila production license hata Total wakilia damu they will be at the mercy of G.O.K.
Nakutupia hiyo article ya Mexico saa hii wacha niitafute

1: Hicho kitu cha Nationalization kwa Kenya itawachukua miaka kukifanya tena yatokee mapinduzi, nchi yenu imejengwa kwenye misingi ya ubinafsi, aliyewahi kawahi- hautanielewa kwenye hili

2: Nadhani kuna kitu unachanganya hapa, Kampuni hizi za Madini na gesi kabla hazijaingia kufanya utafiti wao kwanza wanaangalia Policy ya nchi zinasemaje kwenye maswala ya Madini, Mafuta na Gas
So wakishapewa Block na PL (Prospecting License) na kama issue ya Mazingira iko safi (EIA), hakuna jinsi ya kuwanyima exploitation/Mining permit/License

Sina muda lakini kama utahitaji nikufafanulie kwa undani ntafanya hivyo

 

[Iconoclastes]

It is very cheap kutumia miundo mbinu iliyopo kuliko kuanza upya, na wala usiwe na wasiwasi, nyie Wakenya wala hamtatoa pesa yenu kuilipa Uganda na Tanzania, bali Total watatoa, na nyie Percent yenu mtaipata kama ilivyo kadiri ya mkataba

Labda nikuulize kitu, mfano serikali ya Kenya inataka say 40% na Total wakakubali kuwapa hiyo na Kenya wakaambiwa wawaachie Total usafirishaji wa hayo Mafuta hapo ni sawa?

Kenya ikisema pipeline iwekwe Kenya, Total will take it or leave it.

Hiyo pipeline will boost our economy by creating more economic opportunities in our country. Think about the jobs that the pipeline wld create, the business opportunities, Kenyan urban growth and development, local and foreign investments and the boost for the new port of Lamu and even Mombasa.

Kenya wants more than the oil money. It cannot afford to lose all that to its neighbors.

Kenya wants to make its economy more vibrant. Total knows that such an idea would be very unacceptable to Kenya.

Read the article above.....it is nothing more than wishful thinking. I dont understand what u here are celebrating about.

 

[Kituko]

Kenya ikisema pipeline iwekwe Kenya, Total will take it or leave it.

Hiyo pipeline will boost our economy by creating more economic opportunities in our country. Think about the jobs that the pioeline wld create, the business opportunities, Kenyan urban growth and development, investments and the boost for the new port of Lamu and even Mombasa.

The oil money is not the only thing Kenya wants, it is poised to achieve more than that, and it cannot afford to lose it like that to its neighbors.

Kenya wants to make its economy more vibrant. Total knows that such an idea would be very unacceptable to Kenya.

Read the article above.....it is nothing more than wishful thinking. I dont understand what u here are celebrating about.

Unajua kuna kitu unashindwa kukipata vizuri, iko hivi Wakati Exploration ya Hoima imeisha na Total waka announce reserve yao kwa press release kwenye stock exchanges, Museveni na Kenyatta na Kagame kwa mbali wakaona hiyo ni fursa na Uganda akakubali deal la Kenyatta kuwa Bomba lipite Kenya, na Museveni aliwaambia hivyo Total,
Lakini "mwenye mali" akasema No, bomba litapita TZ, hapo kaka hata ufanye nini huwezi kubadirisha hiyo decision unless Tanzania kungekuwa na Vita, Kenyatta akaenda mpaka France kukutana na Hollande ili awaconvice Total, lakini jibu likaja No

So hata Nyie Kenya kama Total wameshaamua Bomba lipite Uganda hapo hakuna cha kufanya zaidi ya kukubali matokeo tu, ni kweli labda bomba lingewainua baadhi ya watu hasa wenye mashamba nk, lakini jamaa wakisema No, haibadiriki hiyo kaka

So time will tell

 

[Lwiva]

Hawa total wapumbavu sana...hao ndio walituzaba makofi ya aibu waziwazi na kutupokonya bomba saa ii wanataka mafuta yetu pia watuamulie yatapitia njia gani,kisha njia yenyewe haiko kenya...pumba zao.heri yabaki humo ndani ya ardhi milele kama hayatepelekwa lamu na kutengeneza ajira kwa wakaazi wa turkana na lamu...Kenyans first hao wafaransa shida zao

Dogo tulia unyolewe mlisema Tanzania is sleeping G

 

[Iconoclastes]

Unajua kuna kitu unashindwa kukipata vizuri, iko hivi Wakati Exploration ya Hoima imeisha na Total waka announce reserve yao kwa press release kwenye stock exchanges, Museveni na Kenyatta na Kagame kwa mbali wakaona hiyo ni fursa na Uganda akakubali deal la Kenyatta kuwa Bomba lipite Kenya, na Museveni aliwaambia hivyo Total,
Lakini "mwenye mali" akasema No, bomba litapita TZ, hapo kaka hata ufanye nini huwezi kubadirisha hiyo decision unless Tanzania kungekuwa na Vita, Kenyatta akaenda mpaka France kukutana na Hollande ili awaconvice Total, lakini jibu likaja No

So hata Nyie Kenya kama Total wameshaamua Bomba lipite Uganda hapo hakuna cha kufanya zaidi ya kukubali matokeo tu, ni kweli labda bomba lingewainua baadhi ya watu hasa wenye mashamba nk, lakini jamaa wakisema No, haibadiriki hiyo kaka

So time will tell

Kenya haingewaza kuwalizimu Uganda kutumia route ya Kenya kwasabu nchi ni yao na mafuta ni yao.

Na uko na evidence gani ya kwamba Uhuru alienda France kuonana na Hollande kuinfluence decision Total? Unasoma na kuyaamini kila uvumi kwenye mtandao? Nimekushusha heshima!

Mali ya Uganda ni ya Uganda na ya Kenya ni ya Kenya. Total haiwezi ikafanya mambo kama haya kinyume na matakwa ya Kenya, ama nchi yoyote ile husika. Kuna sheria ndugu yangu.

Unabishana na mimi hauna hoja, isipokuwa kujikita kwenye matamanio yako wewe mwenyewe.

 

[Kituko]

Kenya haingewaza kuwalizimu Uganda kutumikuia route ya Kenya kwasabu nchi nin yao na mafuta ni yao.

Na uko na evidence gani ya kwamba Uhuru alienda France kuonana na Hollande kuinfluence decision Total? Unasoma na kuamini kila uvumi kwenye mtandao, nimekushusha heshima.

Mali ya Uganda ni ya Uganda na ya Kenya ni ya Kenya. Total haiwezi ikafanya mambo kama haya kinyume na matakwa ya Kenya, kuna sheria ndugu yangu.

Unabishana na mimi hauna hoja, isipokuwa kujikita katika matamanio yako wewe.

Hujui unachokiongea wewe, uko hapa unalilia tu haiwezekani haiwezekani, subiri uone mziki sasa, utakuja hapa utasema tumelipwa

Ukae ukielewa Total hawawezi kujenga mabomba mawili, moja tu linatosha, na Tanker likija Tanga linajaza na kuondoka sio Nusu Tanga na Nusu Lamu
Ni habari inayouma sana lakini mtafanyaje sasa na hiyo ndiyo hali halisi

 

[Lwiva]

Eti wenye mali. Kituko leo sikuwa nataka kuongea lakini lazima nikujibu. Umetaja mara mbili au tatu eti wenye mali ni Total. Hahaha niko na two serious point na kama unajiamini basi nijibu, ukinyamaza basi utakuwa umeogopa.
1) Kuna kitu yenye pengine haujawahi kusikia, inaitwa nationalisation na kwa darasa la development economics inafunzwa kwa undani. Kila nchi ina ruhsa ya kufanya nationalisation ya kampuni yoyote Ile. Nchi kama Brasil imetumia public companies kama Petrobras ambayo serikali ni majority shareholder kuendeleza uchumi.Brazil haipendi kufanya privatization. Kampuni kubwa nyingi Brazil ni public. Haswa kampuni za mafuta. Hiyo economic strategy inaitwa import substitution strategy ambapo serikali inamiliki majority shares ya kampuni zote. Enda Ethiopia utaona Mabenki na Telecoms zinamilikiwa na serikali. Mexico oil companies zilikuwa nationalised by force in 1938 na nitapost article nikuelimishe historia ya Mexico's oil industry. U.S.A walisema Mexico wako na right to nationalize as long as they compensate the American companies. Kenya pia tunaeza nationalize bora tucompensate.
2) Kuna two major licenses oil companies huwa zinatafuta ili zianze shughuli ya oil mining. Ya Kwanza ni EXPLORATION LICENSE. Ya pili na ndio muhimu ni PRODUCTION LICENSE. Bila production license hata Total wakilia damu they will be at the mercy of G.O.K.
Nakutupia hiyo article ya Mexico saa hii wacha niitafute

Acha ubishi [emoji10] [emoji10] wewe !!!!wenye mali siyo wakenya nchi ya Kenya ishauzwa siku nyingi"MAN EATING MAN"

 

[Geza Ulole]

Are u insinuating that Kenya has absolutely no stake, no say on what should be done with its oil?

That may be the case in Tanzania or Uganda, but not Kenya, cos the Kenyan law is very clear on the stewardship and exploitation of its minerals resources.

The fact that the Tullows and Totals and the other mining companies hold prospecting rights to our mineral deposits doesnt confer them the absolute ownership to our mineral resources, thus the licence to dictate to us what to do.
Kenya has huge stakes in those minerals, its opinion on how the business shld be conducted therefore counts alot.

Kenya can decide to cancel their licence to operate in the country, fyi.

Mining in Kenya – the start of a new era? - Lexology

That above is the overview of Kenyan mining legal and regulatory framework. Read it carefully, and see how our mining industry works.

Nobody can ride roughshod over our wishes and aspirations on what to do with our minerals just bcos they are Total. We are not a banana republic like that.

Decide with 600 mln barrels? [emoji23] [emoji115]

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[Iconoclastes]

Hujui unachokiongea wewe, uko hapa unalilia tu haiwezekani haiwezekani, subiri uone mziki sasa, utakuja hapa utasema tumelipwa

Ukae ukielewa Total hawawezi kujenga mabomba mawili, moja tu linatosha, na Tanker likija Tanga linajaza na kuondoka sio Nusu Tanga na Nusu Lamu
Ni habari inayouma sana lakini mtafanyaje sasa na hiyo ndiyo hali halisi

Na wewe ndiye unaejua unachoongelea? Total imeconsult Kenya kuhusu suala hilo na kuafikiana?

Wewe tulia uone jinsi mambo yatakavyoenda. Total haijasema itapitisha mafuta ya Kenya Tanga. Hebu soma hiyo habari tena.

Unajuaje, na ni kwanini wasijenge bomba lingine Kenya? Kenya pia si inaweza jijengea tu bomba?

Mwisho wa mjadala. Lala unono.

 

[Geza Ulole]

Are u insinuating that Kenya has absolutely no stake, no say on what should be done with its oil?

That may be the case in Tanzania or Uganda, but not Kenya, cos the Kenyan law is very clear on the stewardship and exploitation of its minerals resources.

The fact that the Tullows and Totals and the other mining companies hold prospecting rights to our mineral deposits doesnt confer them the absolute ownership to our mineral resources, thus the licence to dictate to us what to do.
Kenya has huge stakes in those minerals, its opinion on how the business shld be conducted therefore counts alot.

Kenya can decide to cancel their licence to operate in the country, fyi.

Mining in Kenya – the start of a new era? - Lexology

That above is the overview of Kenyan mining legal and regulatory framework. Read it carefully, and see how our mining industry works.

Nobody can ride roughshod over our wishes and aspirations on what to do with our minerals just bcos they are Total. We are not a banana republic like that.

Decide with 600 mln barrels? [emoji23] [emoji115]

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[Iconoclastes]

Decide with 600 mln barrels? [emoji23] [emoji115]

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All the more reason why it wld be such an undesirable idea to pass it thru the two countries.

 

[french]

wew hujui kitu. ToTAL has the right to explore, appraise, develop and produce kenyan oil. this is according to the agreement. pipeline is part of development. mko hapa wakenya mnapiga kelele tu hamjui kitu

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[Iconoclastes]

wew hujui kitu. ToTAL has the right to explore, appraise, develop and produce kenyan oil. this is according to the agreement. pipeline is part of development. mko hapa wakenya mnapiga kelele tu hamjui kitu

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It has to be thru our terms, as per our agreements. Kenya has to be involved or else end up being wasted like the other mineral rich countries but with nothing to show for; Tz and Nigeria and DRC being the cases in point.

Nobody will dictate to us what should be done with our oil. The development of this sector will be done via cooperation btwn Kenya and the oil companies, and that condencending attitude u are referring to by these multinational oil companies will not be accepted.