Kuna kitu hakipo sawa makanisani, ni muda wa wakristo kuamka na kuhoji

[Dr Matola PhD]

The problem of evil proves that the foundation of organized religion, specifically Abrahamic religions, the all knowing, all capable and all graceful God, does not exist.

This God is a manufactured reality, a figment of the collective human imagination throughout the years.

The Bible, The Quran and similar books, are fictional narratives made by humans, for humans, to navigate human problems.

Once you understand this, everything else makes sense.

Sema tunaweza kuchukia kutoa kanisani ila kwenye mambo mengine ya kawaida tunatoa bila kujiuliza
1.betting
2.kuhonga
3.bia,soda ,vilevi mbali mbali
4.kulipia kuangalia mipira
5.kwenda beach na kuspend hela
Mungu anatuhurumia sana kwa rehema zake ila binadamu sisi ni wabinafsi sana

Mbona hata hizo bia bado huwa naliungisha kanisa? Kanisa letu kuna bar kabisa bia tunakunywa bar ya kanisa, sidhani kama una akili timamu.

 

[Dr Matola PhD]

Ehee na wenyewe wanawafaidisha nin?

Maumivu tu.

 

[mugah di matheo]

Huu mjadala nadhani utapata reply nyingi zaidi ya zile za rikiboy

 

[Kiranga]

Mbona hata hizo bia bado huwa naliungisha kanisa? Kanisa letu kuna bar kabisa bia tunakunywa bar ya kanisa, sidhani kama una akili timamu.

Mkuu,

Ukiweza jaribu kukisoma hiki kitabu.

Kina mengi sana kuhusu Biblia. Hapo ndipo utakapojua dini/Mungu ni vitu vimeandikwa na watu tu.

How to Read the Bible | James Kugel

In How to Read the Bible, Harvard professor James Kugel leads the reader chapter by chapter through the "quiet revolution" of recent biblical scholarship, showing time and again how radically the interpretations of today's researchers differ from what people have always thought. The story of...

www.jameskugel.com

How to Read the Bible



Scholars from different fields have joined forces to reexamine every aspect of the Hebrew Bible. Their research, carried out in universities and seminaries in Europe and America, has revolutionized our understanding of almost every chapter and verse. But have they killed the Bible in the process?

In How to Read the Bible, Harvard professor James Kugel leads the reader chapter by chapter through the “quiet revolution” of recent biblical scholarship, showing time and again how radically the interpretations of today’s researchers differ from what people have always thought. The story of Adam and Eve, it turns out, was not originally about the “Fall of Man,” but about the move from a primitive, hunter-gatherer society to a settled, agricultural one. As for the stories of Cain and Abel, Abraham and Sarah, and Jacob and Esau, these narratives were not, at their origin, about individual people at all but, rather, explanations of some feature of Israelite society as it existed centuries after these figures were said to have lived. Dinah was never raped — her story was created by an editor to solve a certain problem in Genesis. In the earliest version of the Exodus story, Moses probably did not divide the Red Sea in half; instead, the Egyptians perished in a storm at sea. Whatever the original Ten Commandments might have been, scholars are quite sure they were different from the ones we have today.

What’s more, the people long supposed to have written various books of the Bible were not, in the current consensus, their real authors: David did not write the Psalms, Solomon did not write Proverbs or Ecclesiastes; indeed, there is scarcely a book in the Bible that is not the product of different, anonymous authors and editors working in different periods.
Such findings pose a serious problem for adherents of traditional, Bible-based faiths. Hiding from the discoveries of modern scholars seems dishonest, but accepting them means undermining much of the Bible’s reliability and authority as the word of God. What to do? In his search for a solution, Kugel leads the reader back to a group of ancient biblical interpreters who flourished at the end of the biblical period. Far from naïve, these interpreters consciously set out to depart from the original meaning of the Bible’s various stories, laws, and prophecies — and they, Kugel argues, hold the key to solving the dilemma of reading the Bible today.

How to Read the Bible is, quite simply, the best, most original book about the Bible in decades. It offers an unflinching, insider’s look at the work of today’s scholars, together with a sustained consideration of what the Bible was for most of its history — before the rise of modern scholarship. Readable, clear, often funny but deeply serious in its purpose, this is a book for Christians and Jews, believers and secularists alike. It offers nothing less than a whole new way of thinking about sacred Scripture.

 

[Tz mbongo]

dini imekuwa ni ya kutakatishia pesa,kujikomba na kujitafutia sifa mbele za watu

Chochote unaweza kutumia kwa lolote hiyo ni toka zamani.

 

[samakiurembo]

Uzuri wake ni kuwa usipotoa si kosa la jinai.

Unatengwa kua hujitoi na ukihoji unaambiwa wewe ni mkorofi unaleta siasa kanisan

 

[Dr Matola PhD]

Mkuu,

Ukiweza jaribu kukisoma hiki kitabu.

Kina mengi sana kuhusu Biblia. Hapo ndipo utakapojua dini/Mungu ni vitu vimeandikwa na watu tu.

How to Read the Bible | James Kugel

In How to Read the Bible, Harvard professor James Kugel leads the reader chapter by chapter through the "quiet revolution" of recent biblical scholarship, showing time and again how radically the interpretations of today's researchers differ from what people have always thought. The story of...

www.jameskugel.com

How to Read the Bible



Scholars from different fields have joined forces to reexamine every aspect of the Hebrew Bible. Their research, carried out in universities and seminaries in Europe and America, has revolutionized our understanding of almost every chapter and verse. But have they killed the Bible in the process?

In How to Read the Bible, Harvard professor James Kugel leads the reader chapter by chapter through the “quiet revolution” of recent biblical scholarship, showing time and again how radically the interpretations of today’s researchers differ from what people have always thought. The story of Adam and Eve, it turns out, was not originally about the “Fall of Man,” but about the move from a primitive, hunter-gatherer society to a settled, agricultural one. As for the stories of Cain and Abel, Abraham and Sarah, and Jacob and Esau, these narratives were not, at their origin, about individual people at all but, rather, explanations of some feature of Israelite society as it existed centuries after these figures were said to have lived. Dinah was never raped — her story was created by an editor to solve a certain problem in Genesis. In the earliest version of the Exodus story, Moses probably did not divide the Red Sea in half; instead, the Egyptians perished in a storm at sea. Whatever the original Ten Commandments might have been, scholars are quite sure they were different from the ones we have today.

What’s more, the people long supposed to have written various books of the Bible were not, in the current consensus, their real authors: David did not write the Psalms, Solomon did not write Proverbs or Ecclesiastes; indeed, there is scarcely a book in the Bible that is not the product of different, anonymous authors and editors working in different periods.
Such findings pose a serious problem for adherents of traditional, Bible-based faiths. Hiding from the discoveries of modern scholars seems dishonest, but accepting them means undermining much of the Bible’s reliability and authority as the word of God. What to do? In his search for a solution, Kugel leads the reader back to a group of ancient biblical interpreters who flourished at the end of the biblical period. Far from naïve, these interpreters consciously set out to depart from the original meaning of the Bible’s various stories, laws, and prophecies — and they, Kugel argues, hold the key to solving the dilemma of reading the Bible today.

How to Read the Bible is, quite simply, the best, most original book about the Bible in decades. It offers an unflinching, insider’s look at the work of today’s scholars, together with a sustained consideration of what the Bible was for most of its history — before the rise of modern scholarship. Readable, clear, often funny but deeply serious in its purpose, this is a book for Christians and Jews, believers and secularists alike. It offers nothing less than a whole new way of thinking about sacred Scripture.

Nitasoma mkuu, nataka nitulie kwenye laptop kabisa nikae kitako kwa kutulia.

 

[kalisheshe]

Aisee

 

[Dr Matola PhD]

Unatengwa kua hujitoi na ukihoji unaambiwa wewe ni mkorofi unaleta siasa kanisan

Kuna siasa za kanisa, hizi za Chadema na ccm ni cha mtoto.

Nadhani unausikia mziki wa KKKT jimbo la konde Mbeya.

 

[samakiurembo]

Kuna siasa za kanisa, hizi za Chadema na ccm ni cha mtoto.

Nadhani unausikia mziki wa KKKT jimbo la konde Mbeya.

We acha tu hapa roman katolik wazee wa kanisa wamepiga milion mia nne za ujenz wa kanisa adhabu yao wameondolewa kwenye kamati alafu swala limeisha kimya kimya simple tu uwez kuhoji unaonekana mkorofi ,wengine wameweka marmaru za milion 60 wameandika milion 250 uruhusiw kuhoji amin mungu tu mengine yaache

 

[Rwebo]

Bora Anglicana

Weweeeeeeeee. Ishia hapo hapo

 

[Lububi]

Mkuu,

Ukiweza jaribu kukisoma hiki kitabu.

Kina mengi sana kuhusu Biblia. Hapo ndipo utakapojua dini/Mungu ni vitu vimeandikwa na watu tu.

How to Read the Bible | James Kugel

In How to Read the Bible, Harvard professor James Kugel leads the reader chapter by chapter through the "quiet revolution" of recent biblical scholarship, showing time and again how radically the interpretations of today's researchers differ from what people have always thought. The story of...

www.jameskugel.com

How to Read the Bible



Scholars from different fields have joined forces to reexamine every aspect of the Hebrew Bible. Their research, carried out in universities and seminaries in Europe and America, has revolutionized our understanding of almost every chapter and verse. But have they killed the Bible in the process?

In How to Read the Bible, Harvard professor James Kugel leads the reader chapter by chapter through the “quiet revolution” of recent biblical scholarship, showing time and again how radically the interpretations of today’s researchers differ from what people have always thought. The story of Adam and Eve, it turns out, was not originally about the “Fall of Man,” but about the move from a primitive, hunter-gatherer society to a settled, agricultural one. As for the stories of Cain and Abel, Abraham and Sarah, and Jacob and Esau, these narratives were not, at their origin, about individual people at all but, rather, explanations of some feature of Israelite society as it existed centuries after these figures were said to have lived. Dinah was never raped — her story was created by an editor to solve a certain problem in Genesis. In the earliest version of the Exodus story, Moses probably did not divide the Red Sea in half; instead, the Egyptians perished in a storm at sea. Whatever the original Ten Commandments might have been, scholars are quite sure they were different from the ones we have today.

What’s more, the people long supposed to have written various books of the Bible were not, in the current consensus, their real authors: David did not write the Psalms, Solomon did not write Proverbs or Ecclesiastes; indeed, there is scarcely a book in the Bible that is not the product of different, anonymous authors and editors working in different periods.
Such findings pose a serious problem for adherents of traditional, Bible-based faiths. Hiding from the discoveries of modern scholars seems dishonest, but accepting them means undermining much of the Bible’s reliability and authority as the word of God. What to do? In his search for a solution, Kugel leads the reader back to a group of ancient biblical interpreters who flourished at the end of the biblical period. Far from naïve, these interpreters consciously set out to depart from the original meaning of the Bible’s various stories, laws, and prophecies — and they, Kugel argues, hold the key to solving the dilemma of reading the Bible today.

How to Read the Bible is, quite simply, the best, most original book about the Bible in decades. It offers an unflinching, insider’s look at the work of today’s scholars, together with a sustained consideration of what the Bible was for most of its history — before the rise of modern scholarship. Readable, clear, often funny but deeply serious in its purpose, this is a book for Christians and Jews, believers and secularists alike. It offers nothing less than a whole new way of thinking about sacred Scripture.

Hicho kitabu ningetaman kukisoma. Kabla ya maarifa mapya yoyote had sasa naamin vitabu vyote vya iman ni sanaa ya kiuandishi ya watu wenye nia ya kuweka mahusiano na kumanejiana. Mungu hawez kuwa na sifa zinazokinzana kias hiki.
Hata hivyo imesaidia sana dunia kuishika

 

[Kiranga]

Hicho kitabu ningetaman kukisoma. Kabla ya maarifa mapya yoyote had sasa naamin vitabu vyote vya iman ni sanaa ya kiuandishi ya watu wenye nia ya kuweka mahusiano na kumanejiana. Mungu hawez kuwa na sifa zinazokinzana kias hiki.
Hata hivyo imesaidia sana dunia kuishika

Mkuu una uelewa mzuri sana.

Kiufupi mimi na wewe tunakubaliana vizuri katika hili kwa mujibu wa maelezo yako.

Lakini, najiuliza sana, kwa nini watu wengi hawaoni hilo kama mimi na wewe tunavyoweza kuona kirahisi tu?

Hususan kwenye dunia ya leo ambayo kila kitu kipo wazi, hususan mtandaoni.

Ni tatizo la elimu na Kiingereza? Ni utashi wa watu kuwa mdogo? Ni nafasi ya kupata kusoma? Ni ubishi wa watu hata wakijua wana "cognitive dissonance" na "sunken cost fallacy" kubwa sana kukubali? Ni kuogopa "identity crisis" baada ya kujua Mungu/dini/ mapokeo/ ustaarabu wao ni uongo? Ni kuogopa kutengwa na jamii inayosisitiza sana Mungu/dini/ mapokeo?

Kwa nini hata watu wengi ambao tungewaita wenye akili nzuri wanakwama kwenye mtego huu wa Mungu/dini/ mapokeo?

Is there still some evolutionary psychology/ self preservation mileage in this mob psychology driven manufactured reality to justify the acts of some otherwise intelligent people?

 

[Dr Matola PhD]

Weweeeeeeeee. Ishia hapo hapo

Kule Buza kanisa la Anglican lilikuwa na mamia ya heka, wamepiga mpaka basi, nadhani ndio kilichomng'owa Askofu Mokiwa na sasa Askofu mkuu wa Zanzibar Michael Hafidh anaundiwa zengwe ili ang'olewe, maana Anglican Zanzibar ina vitega uchumi vya maana na vya kitalii.

 

[Alvajumaa]

Ukitoa sadaka nyingi unatajwa sana na kuombewa

 

[KingGuaje]

Even Muslim but , waislam ni bahili

Ninachopenda kwenye uislamu ni kwamba hakuna malipo kwa mashehe, wala sijui kununuliana magari na hata kujengeana nyumba! Sadaka ni kwa ajili ya maendeleo ya uislamu tu (kujenga misikiti, kusaidia wenye uhitaji na matumizi ya uendeshaj wa msikiti)
Kwanini: kungekua kuna mishahara/malipo/kujengewa nyumba au kupewa gari kwa mashehe na maimamu leo hii kungekuwa na migogoro mikubwa sana kila mtu angetaka kuwa shehe hata kama elimu /sifa hiyo hana .(jambo ambalo tunaliona leo kuibuka kwa makanisa bubu kila uchao)

 

[mbongo_halisi]

Makanisa na misikiti yote hapa Tanzania ipigwe ban......turudi kwenye imani zetu za kiafrika.

 

[Lububi]

Mkuu una uelewa mzuri sana.

Kiufupi mimi na wewe tunakubaliana vizuri katika hili kwa mujibu wa maelezo yako.

Lakini, najiuliza sana, kwa nini watu wengi hawaoni hilo kama mimi na wewe tunavyoweza kuona kirahisi tu?

Hususan kwenye dunia ya leo ambayo kila kitu kipo wazi, hususan mtandaoni.

Ni tatizo la elimu na Kiingereza? Ni utashi wa watu kuwa mdogo? Ni nafasi ya kupata kusoma? Ni ubishi wa watu hata wakijua wana "cognitive dissonance" na "sunken cost fallacy" kubwa sana kukubali? Ni kuogopa "identity crisis" baada ya kujua Mungu/dini/ mapokeo/ ustaarabu wao ni uongo? Ni kuogopa kutengwa na jamii inayosisitiza sana Mungu/dini/ mapokeo?

Kwa nini hata watu wengi ambao tungewaita wenye akili nzuri wanakwama kwenye mtego huu wa Mungu/dini/ mapokeo?

Is there still some evolutionary psychology/ self preservation mileage in this mob psychology driven manufactured reality to justify the acts of some otherwise intelligent people?

"Gabbage in Gabbage out" wewe mshukuru Mungu kwa bahati(luck) au makusudi(deliberately) kujitoa nje ya box la ufikiri wa wengi. Kuna msemo THE MAJORITY ARE ALWAYS NOT RIGHT! hivyo hamwezi kuwa wengi wanao fikiri nje ya kile umeingiziwa tang uwepo wako. Na mbaya zaid walioingiza wanazid kuhakikisha kinakaa hichohicho!
Inatakiwa juhud binafs hata kujikataa na kukataliwa ili utoke nje ya hili box. Ni karama.
Ni kama mtu anayekandamizwa na mfumo wa utawala kuamua kujitoa mhanga kupinga akijua hata kifo kitamhusu.
Maarifa pekee nahitaji kushare kwa sasa toka kwa watu HURU wa fikra ni: TRUE definition of God, His TRUE character!
Kwa sasa naona tunaaminishana tu kupitia riwaya, busara, na hekma za watu wengine wa nyakat nyingine!
Na namna pekee ya kufikiri huru ni kujitoa mazma kwenye reference ya biblia au quran au vitabu vingine vya dini! Bali kufikiria kama ndo unaanza kumjua Mungu kupitia nature sio story za kale au nadharia!
Sio kuamini huku akili au milango yote ya faham umeifungia bafuni!
BELIEVE RESPONSIBLY!

 

[donyen]

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[Jidu La Mabambasi]

Leo ni Jumapili ya matawi Yesu anaingia Jerusalem, lakini nikitafakari imani yangu ya ufuasi wa kristu napata mashaka makubwa sana.

To declare interest mimi nimezaliwa nimejikuta tu ni mkatoliki kwahiyo nipo hivyo mpaka leo, mahusiano yangu na Mungu naamini ni mazuri kiroho lakini mahudhurio yangu kanisani kwa miaka ya karibuni si mazuri huwa nakwenda na kuacha kwenda.

Basi mambo yasiwe mengi last Sunday nikatimba church kwenye parokia yetu mambo niliyokutana nayo huko ni ya kusikitisha na nathubutu kuita kile alichokikemea mwokozi wetu Yesu kristu kwamba wasigeuze nyumba ya baba yake kuwa pango la walanguzi, kwa hakika hicho ndicho kinachoendelea parokiani kwetu si kanisa tena bali ni pango la walanguzi.

Sisi Wakatoliki huko nyuma tulikuwa tukiwacheka Lutheran kwa utaratibu wa sadaka nyingi na bahasha nyingi kumbe sasa utaratibu huo umeingia kwa speed kubwa kwenye kanisa katoliki ibada ya misa moja sadaka mnatowa mara saba, sina hakika na parokia zingine hali ikoje.

Sasa kila mwanaparokia unapewa kadi ya kuchanga pesa ya kuwa mkatoliki mume na mke 10,000)= kwa mwezi na watoto buku mbilimbili kila mwezi hii ni nje ya sadaka harambee na michango mingine, tunakwenda wapi?

Najuwa wapo watetezi waliolewa mvinyo wa dini watatetea uharamia huu kwa utetezi ni lazima tuchangie ujenzi wa kanisa, hakuna anayekataa hilo na tumekuwa tukijitolea miaka yote kwa kiasi, lakini naamini mtu ambaye yuko free minded hawezi kutetea uharamia huu kugeuza kanisa kuwa pango la walanguzi, na wasiokuwa na pesa za kuamka kwenye mabenchi mara saba kutowa hizo sadaka hawatojisikia vizuri na wataacha kuja kanisani kwa kuteswa kihisa kila watu wakiinuliwa kwenye mabenchi wao hawana kitu.

Hiyo sasa tisa kumi ni hawa jamaa zetu born again, nipo hapa nyumbani namsikiliza mtumishi wa Mungu akitangaza viwango vya sadaka ya kugombowa uzao wa kwanza ni laki mbili, uzao wa pili laki na na nusu, uzao wa tatu laki.

Kutokana na uharamia huu na unyang'anyi unaoendelea kupitia mwamvuli wa dini serikali haiwezi kusaidia lolote katika hili kwa sababu ni partners muhimu in crime.

Kwakuwa waislamu wanajitambuwa sana katika hili ni wakati sasa kwa wakristu wote kuamka na kupinga dhulma hii ambayo cha kusikitisha sasa imeingia radmi kanisa katoliki na hakuna hata mkatoliki mmoja aliwahi kuhoji miradi yote ya kanisa hadi mkombozi bank ipo kwa faida ya nani na inalisaidia vipi kanisa?

Tumsifu Yesu kristu.

Mkuu pengine Kanisa Katoliki limechelewa sana kuwaamsha waumini wake.
Kwanza Mungu anatenda, tena kwa uwezo mkubwa sana.
Miujiza yake huwezi kuion kwa macho, lakini ipo n inafanya kazi.
Sisi waluteri tuna simamia katika kitabu cha

Haggai 1: 1-14

1Katika mwaka wa pili wa Dario mfalme, mwezi wa sita, siku ya kwanza ya mwezi, neno la Bwana lilimjia Zerubabeli, mwana wa Shealtieli, liwali wa Yuda, na Yoshua, mwana wa Yehosadaki, kuhani mkuu, kwa kinywa chake Hagai nabii, kusema,
2 Bwana wa majeshi asema hivi, ya kwamba, Watu hawa husema, Huu sio wakati utupasao kuja, huu sio wakati wa kujenga nyumba ya Bwana.
3 Ndipo neno la Bwana lilikuja kwa kinywa cha nabii Hagai, kusema,
4 Je! Huu ndio wakati wa ninyi kukaa katika nyumba zenye mapambo ya mbao, iwapo nyumba hii inakaa hali ya kuharibika?
5 Basi sasa, Bwana wa majeshi asema hivi, Zitafakarini njia zenu.
6 Mmepanda mbegu nyingi mkavuna kidogo; mnakula lakini hamshibi; mnakunywa lakini hamkujazwa na vinywaji; mnajivika nguo lakini hapana aonaye moto; na yeye apataye mshahara apata mshahara ili kuutia katika mfuko uliotoboka-toboka.
7 Bwana wa majeshi asema hivi, Zitafakarini njia zenu.
8 Pandeni milimani, mkalete miti, mkaijenge nyumba; nami nitaifurahia, nami nitatukuzwa, asema Bwana.
9 Mlitazamia vingi, kumbe vikatokea vichache; tena mlipovileta nyumbani nikavipeperusha. Ni kwa sababu gani? Asema Bwana wa majeshi. Ni kwa sababu ya nyumba yangu inayokaa hali ya kuharibika, wakati ambapo ninyi mnakimbilia kila mtu nyumbani kwake.
10 Basi, kwa ajili yenu mbingu zimezuiliwa zisitoe umande, nayo nchi imezuiliwa isitoe matunda yake.
11 Nami nikaita wakati wa joto uje juu ya nchi, na juu ya milima, na juu ya nafaka, na juu ya divai mpya, na juu ya mafuta, na juu ya kila kitu itoacho nchi, na juu ya wanadamu, na juu ya wanyama, na juu ya kazi zote za mikono.
12 Ndipo Zerubabeli, mwana wa Shealtieli, na Yoshua, mwana wa Yehosadaki, kuhani mkuu, pamoja na hayo mabaki yote ya watu, wakaitii sauti ya Bwana, Mungu wao, na maneno ya Hagai nabii, kama Bwana, Mungu wao, alivyomtuma; nao watu wakaogopa mbele za Bwana.
13 Ndipo Hagai mjumbe wa Bwana, katika ujumbe wa Bwana, akawaambia watu, akisema, Mimi nipo pamoja nanyi, asema Bwana.
14 Bwana akaiamsha roho ya Zerubabeli, mwana wa Shealtieli, liwali wa Yuda, na roho ya Yoshua, mwana wa Yehosadaki, kuhani mkuu, na roho zao mabaki ya watu; wakaenda, wakafanya kazi katika nyumba ya Bwana wa majeshi, Mungu wao;

Mkuu katika Neno hilitoka kwenye Biblia, waluteri wengi wame barikiwa kwa kutii amri ya Bwana kumjengea Kanisa la kumuabudu.
Nasema hivi maana nami baraka hii nimeipata over the 25 years ambazo nilishiriki kujenga nyumba ya Bwana.