Kiraka Kikuu
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Kwa kweli kwa mtazamo wangu kweli JK anastahili kuzabuliwa makofi... kwa sababu huwezi kumwambia mwenzako afanye yale yale ambayo wewe unashindwa kuyafanya... huo ni unafiki
Kwanini JK (Kanali nusu mstaafu) hana ushawishi kwa Kagame (Jenerali Mstaafu)
Kwanini JK (Kanali nusu mstaafu) hana ushawishi kwa Kagame (Jenerali Mstaafu)
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..........hakuna sehemu niliyojichanganya........you are too much taken away na "Chadepolitics".....kuwa objective kidogo ndio utajua maana ya discussions.......
Mourinho
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Chadepolitics ndio nini?
Sitaki kuamini kuwa umehishiwa na hoja sasa umeamua kuniattack mimi
Kushindwa kujadili hoja na kuhamishia mashambulizi yako kwangu ndio "kuwa objective"? Au ndio maana ya "discussions"?
ZeMarcopolo
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Siku hizi polarised articles kama hii nazo zinaqualify kwenye hili jukwaa?
Hakuna hoja ya kujadili na wewe..... kwani wewe ume-quote maandishi yangu na kuweka maelezo yako yasiyo relevant kwa nilichoandika.......
Mourinho
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Kalaghabao!
Kiraka Kikuu
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Mh,polarised kwa mantiki ipi Dr?
Nadhani sababu haijagusa ulo yapenda,ndio ume generalise kuwa mada ni polarised!
ZeMarcopolo
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Isome vizuri utaona jinsi ilivyokaa kishabiki. Mimi ndio maana nimeona niiache tu, nisije chafua hali ya hewa bure! Kila jukwaa lina maadili yake...
Si umeona vuta nikuvute ya wadau hapo juu? Jukwaa hili linahitaji tone tofauti kidogo...
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There are some developments on this issue and I wonder whether zumbemkuu will make another U-turn. Kwa akina Ogah na wengine mliokuwa mmefunga tela, kazi kwenu.
Some say "If you don't get it right the first time, back off and try it again". Probably, that is what our President has chosen to do.
But President should think twice. If he thinks he didn't get it right in the first time to the extent ya kutaka kusuluhishwa, what makes him think that he will get it right the second time? How did we get in this messy? Surely, this is embarrassing sie kuomba kusuluhishwa whilst we created the fuss ourselves.
Tanzania asks Uganda to help it mend ties with Rwanda
DAR ES SALAAM | Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:23pm EDT
(Reuters) - Tanzania has asked Uganda's president to help it patch up relations with Rwanda after a falling-out over Tanzania's efforts to bring peace to the war-torn Democratic Republic of Congo, Tanzania's prime minister said on Thursday. Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete said this month ties with Rwanda had soured after he said all nations involved in Congo peace talks, including Rwanda, should talk to rebel groups to end conflict in the troubled Great Lakes region of Africa.
That comment drew fierce criticism from Rwanda, where negotiating with Rwandan FDLR rebels is seen as unacceptable.
In 1994, Hutu soldiers and militiamen killed around 800,000 people in Rwanda, mostly Tutsis. Rwanda is now under a Tutsi-dominated government, and the FDLR rebels are a Hutu force.
"President (Kikwete) has asked the Ugandan President, Yoweri Museveni, to see how this matter can be resolved," Tanzanian Prime Minister Mizengo Pinda said in parliament when asked about how the government was dealing with the Rwandan issue.
Museveni, one of Africa's longest-serving leaders, now heads the East African Community trade block comprising Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Burundi and Rwanda. Pinda said Rwanda had over-reacted to Kikwete's comments.
Relations between the two countries could be further strained by Tanzania's role in a new, robustly-mandated peacekeeping mission in eastern Congo.
Tanzania leads a newly-deployed U.N. intervention brigade in Congo's eastern region of Goma, where M23 rebels, a group of mostly Tutsi fighters widely believed to be backed by Rwanda, have been fighting the Congolese army and other rebel groups. Rwanda denies backing the insurgency.
Source: Tanzania asks Uganda to help it mend ties with Rwanda | Reuters
Ni kweli Mkuu. Sikufahamu kabisa kuwa JK angepiga U-turn kubwa hivyo. Sidhani hata kama wewe na wale wangine waliokuwa wamefunga tela nyuma walikuwa wanamfahamu kuwa wataachwa kwenye kilima bila breki.
Hapa Pinda mwenyewe kadhihirisha hapo juu jinsi tulivyo wanafiki. Nilisema tokea mwanzo kuwa "Tatizo hili suala linajadiliwa na watu wengi too emotionally, subjectively, and sometimes, irrationally".
Inawezekana kabisa baada ya Rais Kagame kuanza mizuka yake huko Kigali, Rais Kikwete kwa kufuata emotions, subjectivity na irrationality kwenye maoni ya Watanzania wengi labda alijikuta amechukua hatua ambazo baada ya kukaa chini na washauri wake kutakafari kwa kina kukuta alikosea somewhere kwenye move yake.
Kwa mfano, sidhani kama ilikuwa kitendo cha busara kumsimamisha Mkuu wa Majeshi kwenye jukwaa kule Kagera na kumtaka adhitibishe hadharani kuwa mipaka ya nchi ni salama. Akiwa kama Amiri Jeshi Mkuu, Rais ndiye anaeweza kuwahakikishia wananchi wake kuwa mipaka ya nchi ni salama.
In fact, sijawahi kuona Rais wa nchi akimleta mkuu wake wa majeshi jukwaani na kumtaka awadhibitishie wananchi kuwa mipaka ya nchi iko salama. Vingenevyo, hii inaleta picha mbaya kuwa Rais haaminikini mbele ya taifa, kiasi cha kutaka mtu wa kudhibitishiwa na jeshi juu ya anachokisema. Rais ndiyo amiri jeshi mkuu wa majeshi yote and he should be able to tell us kuhusiana na usalama wa mipaka ya nchi.
Kama vile haitoshi Rais akaenda mbali zaidi kwa kuwafukuza wananchi wa Rwanda ambao walikuwa wanaishi nchini bila kibali, huku akiwaacha Wamalawi, Wakenya, Wahindi, Wachina, nk wanaoishi nchini bila vibali.
Wale Watanzania wanafiki wakaona Rais yuko sawa kabisa kuwafukuza wananchi wa Rwanda wasio na vibali na kuwaacha wale wa Kihindi wanaoishi Tanzania bila vibali. Lakini Watanzania hao hao wanalalama kila mara kuwa Wahindi wanaajiri Wahindi wenzao ambao hawana vibali vya kukaa hapa nchini. Watanzania wanafiki at their best.
Leo Rais kapiga bonge la U-turn anataka asuluhishwe na Kagame, Watanzania wanafiki waliokuwa wanamuunga mkono wanasema sijui "JK hakuna kitu pale ni janga tupu na udhaifu kwenda mbele", sijui "Mkuu unajua siamini nilicho sikia!", wengine "Nimebaki nasikitika tu, siamini kama nchi yangu haina Rais" na mwingine anadai kuwa "Hatuwezi kuwa na imani na Museveni. Msuluhishi ni lazima apate confidence ya pande zote" as if ni Kagame aliyeomba kusuluhishwa na Kitwete kupitia kwa Museveni na Kikwete hana confidence na Museveni.
Narudia tena: Kama tunakubaliana kuwa ushauri alioutoa Rais Kikwete kwa Rais Kagame haukuwa "dhaifu", basi tukubaliane hapa hapa kuwa Rais wetu siyo "dhaifu" na U-turn aliyoifanya na kuomba asuluhishwe na Rais Kagame kupitia kwa Rais Museveni haina "udhaifu" wowote. Vingenvyo, ni unafiki.
CC. SMU, TANMO, Njilembera, Ndahani, Mtu B, Awo, Ntemi Kazwile, zumbemkuu, Rutashubanyuma, MTAZAMO GAZETI, Mourinho, Myakubanga, Stefano Mtangoo mokala1989, Danny Jully, Bongolander
There are some developments on this issue and I wonder whether zumbemkuu will make another U-turn. Kwa akina Ogah na wengine mliokuwa mmefunga tela, kazi kwenu.
Some say "If you don't get it right the first time, back off and try it again". Probably, that is what our President has chosen to do.
But President should think twice. If he thinks he didn't get it right in the first time to the extent ya kutaka kusuluhishwa, what makes him think that he will get it right the second time? How did we get in this messy? Surely, this is embarrassing sie kuomba kusuluhishwa whilst we created the fuss ourselves.
Tanzania asks Uganda to help it mend ties with Rwanda
DAR ES SALAAM | Thu Aug 29, 2013 2:23pm EDT
(Reuters) - Tanzania has asked Uganda's president to help it patch up relations with Rwanda after a falling-out over Tanzania's efforts to bring peace to the war-torn Democratic Republic of Congo, Tanzania's prime minister said on Thursday. Tanzanian President Jakaya Kikwete said this month ties with Rwanda had soured after he said all nations involved in Congo peace talks, including Rwanda, should talk to rebel groups to end conflict in the troubled Great Lakes region of Africa.
That comment drew fierce criticism from Rwanda, where negotiating with Rwandan FDLR rebels is seen as unacceptable.
In 1994, Hutu soldiers and militiamen killed around 800,000 people in Rwanda, mostly Tutsis. Rwanda is now under a Tutsi-dominated government, and the FDLR rebels are a Hutu force.
"President (Kikwete) has asked the Ugandan President, Yoweri Museveni, to see how this matter can be resolved," Tanzanian Prime Minister Mizengo Pinda said in parliament when asked about how the government was dealing with the Rwandan issue.
Museveni, one of Africa's longest-serving leaders, now heads the East African Community trade block comprising Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Burundi and Rwanda. Pinda said Rwanda had over-reacted to Kikwete's comments.
Relations between the two countries could be further strained by Tanzania's role in a new, robustly-mandated peacekeeping mission in eastern Congo.
Tanzania leads a newly-deployed U.N. intervention brigade in Congo's eastern region of Goma, where M23 rebels, a group of mostly Tutsi fighters widely believed to be backed by Rwanda, have been fighting the Congolese army and other rebel groups. Rwanda denies backing the insurgency.
Source: Tanzania asks Uganda to help it mend ties with Rwanda | Reuters
Ni kweli Mkuu. Sikufahamu kabisa kuwa JK angepiga U-turn kubwa hivyo. Sidhani hata kama wewe na wale wangine waliokuwa wamefunga tela nyuma walikuwa wanamfahamu kuwa wataachwa kwenye kilima bila breki.
Hapa Pinda mwenyewe kadhihirisha hapo juu jinsi tulivyo wanafiki. Nilisema tokea mwanzo kuwa "Tatizo hili suala linajadiliwa na watu wengi too emotionally, subjectively, and sometimes, irrationally".
Inawezekana kabisa baada ya Rais Kagame kuanza mizuka yake huko Kigali, Rais Kikwete kwa kufuata emotions, subjectivity na irrationality kwenye maoni ya Watanzania wengi labda alijikuta amechukua hatua ambazo baada ya kukaa chini na washauri wake kutakafari kwa kina kukuta alikosea somewhere kwenye move yake.
Kwa mfano, sidhani kama ilikuwa kitendo cha busara kumsimamisha Mkuu wa Majeshi kwenye jukwaa kule Kagera na kumtaka adhitibishe hadharani kuwa mipaka ya nchi ni salama. Akiwa kama Amiri Jeshi Mkuu, Rais ndiye anaeweza kuwahakikishia wananchi wake kuwa mipaka ya nchi ni salama.
In fact, sijawahi kuona Rais wa nchi akimleta mkuu wake wa majeshi jukwaani na kumtaka awadhibitishie wananchi kuwa mipaka ya nchi iko salama. Vingenevyo, hii inaleta picha mbaya kuwa Rais haaminikini mbele ya taifa, kiasi cha kutaka mtu wa kudhibitishiwa na jeshi juu ya anachokisema. Rais ndiyo amiri jeshi mkuu wa majeshi yote and he should be able to tell us kuhusiana na usalama wa mipaka ya nchi.
Kama vile haitoshi Rais akaenda mbali zaidi kwa kuwafukuza wananchi wa Rwanda ambao walikuwa wanaishi nchini bila kibali, huku akiwaacha Wamalawi, Wakenya, Wahindi, Wachina, nk wanaoishi nchini bila vibali.
Wale Watanzania wanafiki wakaona Rais yuko sawa kabisa kuwafukuza wananchi wa Rwanda wasio na vibali na kuwaacha wale wa Kihindi wanaoishi Tanzania bila vibali. Lakini Watanzania hao hao wanalalama kila mara kuwa Wahindi wanaajiri Wahindi wenzao ambao hawana vibali vya kukaa hapa nchini. Watanzania wanafiki at their best.
Leo Rais kapiga bonge la U-turn anataka asuluhishwe na Kagame, Watanzania wanafiki waliokuwa wanamuunga mkono wanasema sijui "JK hakuna kitu pale ni janga tupu na udhaifu kwenda mbele", sijui "Mkuu unajua siamini nilicho sikia!", wengine "Nimebaki nasikitika tu, siamini kama nchi yangu haina Rais" na mwingine anadai kuwa "Hatuwezi kuwa na imani na Museveni. Msuluhishi ni lazima apate confidence ya pande zote" as if ni Kagame aliyeomba kusuluhishwa na Kitwete kupitia kwa Museveni na Kikwete hana confidence na Museveni.
Narudia tena: Kama tunakubaliana kuwa ushauri alioutoa Rais Kikwete kwa Rais Kagame haukuwa "dhaifu", basi tukubaliane hapa hapa kuwa Rais wetu siyo "dhaifu" na U-turn aliyoifanya na kuomba asuluhishwe na Rais Kagame kupitia kwa Rais Museveni haina "udhaifu" wowote. Vingenvyo, ni unafiki.
CC. SMU, TANMO, Njilembera, Ndahani, Mtu B, Awo, Ntemi Kazwile, zumbemkuu, Rutashubanyuma, MTAZAMO GAZETI, Mourinho, Myakubanga, Stefano Mtangoo mokala1989, Danny Jully, Bongolander
Mkuu....hakuna cha kuunga tela wala nini....binafsi sio zangu hizo...... kwani Menyezi Mungu amenijalia uwezo wa kufikiri na huwa sikurupuki kuandika jambo nisilolifahamu/lijua......pamoja na mambo mengine yaliyo nyuma......Mkuu unasahau kuwa sisi kwa asili ni wapenda amani....na tunataka kudhihirisha hilo.......wakati huo huo ukae ukijua na watu wengine wasijidanganye kuwa sisi sio makondoo......ushauri wa JK uko pale pale......nyuma ya pazia mambo yanayoendelea ni mengi.........
Juhudi za seriakli kuondoa wahamiaji haramu hazikuanza juzi na wala hazilengi nchi fulani......kwa bahati nzuri binafsi nimeshaishi mipakani TZ/UG...TZ/KEN.....TZ/RW......TZ/ZAM......TZ/DRC.....TZ/BUR.......na nimeshuhudia program za kurudisha wahamiaji haramu nchini kwao........bila ya kumuangalia nyani usoni!.....sikatai mazoezi yale yalikuwa na kasoro zake lakini hiyo haiondoi ukweli kuwa wahamiaji haramu inabidi warudi kwao........nimesihi Caribbean, South America na sasa North America tatizo la wahamiaji haramu nimelishuhudia kote huko na wanarudiishwa makwao.....tena with nothing!....sio kama tulivyowaambia hawa wa huku kwetu "tunawapa muda"........
Nimefanya shughuli zinazohusiana na ujenzi ambako nako nimeshuhudia wachina na wahindi wasio na vibali vya kuishi nchini wakiondoshwa.........tatizo kwenye mazoezi hayo RUSHWA imekithiri....ndio maana nasema.......pamoja na watu kurudishwa makwao pia kuna kasoro....na ndio maana vile vile JK akawapigia kelele sana TAKUKURU....na viongozi mbali mbali kujihusisha na vitendo vya rushwa......kwenye hili tatizo la wahamiaji haramu.....
....nini wachina na wahindi......tuna tatizo kubwa sana ndani ya Idara yetu ya Uhamiaji...kugawa passport zetu akam njugu...kwa Nigerians, Kenyans, Somalians etc etc......kw ahiyo usije shangaa ukakutana na mchina, mnyarwanda etc wana passport zetu for their convenience......
JK hajapiga U-turn!......kwani hakuna mahala alisema yeye ana ugomvi na PK.....alisema alitoa ushauri kwa nia njema kabisa......na nia ile iko pale pale...angeibadili hapo ndio ungesema "U-Turn".......na hajawahi kuwa na U-turn kwenye hili suala......kwani hata kabla ya ule mkutano JK alishawasiliana na PK kuhusu ushauri huo.....pale Addis haikuwa mara ya kwanza PK kumsikia JK.....kwa ni suala walishaliongelea baina yao.........notwithstanding, JK alishtushwa na kejeli na matusi yanayoelekezwa kwake yeye na nchi yetu kwa ujumla tena kutoka kwa viongozi wa ngazi za juu ikiwemo yeye mwenyewe PK........
........ni ukweli usiopingika we need Rwandans and they need us.......kwa akili ya kawaida unafikiri ni rahisi hawa watu wawili kukutana.......isipokuwa ni busara tu ndio itakayowezesha hawa watu wawili wakutane kupitia now Mwenyekiti wa EAC.......sioni ubaya wa kuomba kupatanishwa....ili tuheshimiane.......
....msimamo wetu kuhusu DRC uko pale pale na ushauri wetu kwa PK uko pale pale.......
....Kuhusu JK kumuita CDF aongee kuhusu usalama wa mipaka yetu....ilitokana na mazingira/occasion iliyokuwapo wakati ule.....sikuona ubaya wala udhaifu wowote kwa JK kufanya vile.......
Bongolander
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Mkuu so far Rwanda imefanikiwa kuua mtanzania mmoja wa MONUSCO, lakini sidhani kama kuuawa kwa mtanzania mmoja ndio kumefanya JK apige u-turn, (kama kweli amepiga u-turn) as some people try to claim. Hii issue inashughulikiwa na MONUSCO.
Lakini the fact that PK is a destabilizing force in DRC is still there, and the fact that his attitude towards foreign countries with significant rwandese population is also worrisome, and a security concern to Tanzania. Sioni kama ni busara kuangalia issue hii kwa jicho la PK vs JK. It is much bigger than that.
Lakini the fact that PK is a destabilizing force in DRC is still there, and the fact that his attitude towards foreign countries with significant rwandese population is also worrisome, and a security concern to Tanzania. Sioni kama ni busara kuangalia issue hii kwa jicho la PK vs JK. It is much bigger than that.
Rutashubanyuma
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JK is full of contradictions. On one hand he doubts the military strategy but still send his own people to die in a cause he does not believe in..................
Rutashubanyuma
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Tulipowaruhusu Rwanda na Burundi kujiunga na EAC huku tukijua human rights record yao is appalling.........what were we thinking?
Bongolander
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Mkuu naona Rwanda ni tatizo, Burundi haina tatizo kubwa. It was a big mistake, lakini kwa Kenya ni jambo zuri maana wao wako mbali.
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EMT,
Liko wazi kuwa maamuzi aliyochukua JK kwa sasa ndio the best.
Ulikuwa msimamo wangu binafsi na ninamuunga mkono kwa hili.
Kuhusu wengi kusema kuwa move ya kwanza ilikuwa bora kuliko hii ni "mihemko" ya wananchi wa Tanzania wengi ambao ni "myopic" ktk mambo mengi!
Liko wazi kuwa maamuzi aliyochukua JK kwa sasa ndio the best.
Ulikuwa msimamo wangu binafsi na ninamuunga mkono kwa hili.
Kuhusu wengi kusema kuwa move ya kwanza ilikuwa bora kuliko hii ni "mihemko" ya wananchi wa Tanzania wengi ambao ni "myopic" ktk mambo mengi!
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Rutashubanyuma
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Tatizo la JK ni mgongano wa hoja. Katika kampeni zake za Uraisi 2010 alipokuwa anakandiwa na wanaccm wenzie kwa kugeuza kampeni za chama kuwa za kifamilia alidai uraisi ni swala la kifamilia lakini sasa alipomvaa Kagame na kuambulia kushushuliwa ameligeuza swala la nchi wakati hatukumtuma wala kutuuliza juu ya hilo...........
Rutashubanyuma
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Paul Kagame, the president of Rwanda
Nimeiona kwenye Newyork Times khabari ya Kagame nikaona niwamwagie jamvini. Kwa kifupi mwandishi anasema wasifu wa Kagame ni kama ifuatavyo:-
1) Anayetofautiana naye humwekea kinyongo na kumtenga.
2) Ana tuhuma nyingi za kuwaua wapinzani wake kwa kuwatumia assassination squad.
3) Hapendi utawala wa kidemokrasia.
4) Amewaletea Wanyarwanda utawala wa kijeshi na kuinua nidhamu serikalini.
5) Kigali chini ya utawala wake pamekuwa pasafi sana panatunzwa.
6) Ufisadi uko kidogo sana ikilinganishwa na nchi nyingi zilizo masikini.
7) ..................................nisimalize uhondo jisomee nimewabandikia UKURASA husika hapo chini
The Global Elite's Favorite Strongman
Rutashubanyuma
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bURUNDI HAWALIPI HATA SUMNI YA GHARAMA ZA KUENDESHA eac NA HUKU WANATUMA WATUMISHI SAWA NA WANACHAMA WANAOLIPIA. hIVI KWELI bURUNDI HAWANA SHIDA?