Kwanini Padri Luther aliondoa baadhi ya vitabu kwenye Biblia, na kwanini alijiondoa Kanisa Katoliki?

[Zakumi]

Kulikomboa kanisa gani...? Lutheran Church limebaki Africa tuu....Ujerumani ni kama limekufa tayari, Sweden watu hata hajui kanisa nini..


Hayo maono, ndiyo yalipelekea yeye kupunguza vitabu 7 vya Agano la kale..?

Mkuu nyani aoni kundule. Huko Ulaya ukatoliki nao hauna nguvu. Una nguvu dunia ya tatu. Na dunia ya tatu unashindwa kupambana na evangelists

Aiseer

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Sir Luther and the protestant movement helped the Catholic church to reform. Take for examples the use of local languages. Protestants were ahead of the curve.

Local language sio big deal....

Hakuna cha maana hata kimoja kati ya malamiko yake kilibadilishwa na kanisa....

Kwakifu makamiko yako yalikuwa hayana mantiki yoyote ..

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Second, Eastern and Oriental churches are loosely tied. Each has its own Patriach or in catholic terms Pope.

Sawa kabisa ..Na ndiyo sababu ya wao kujitenga na Kanisa...Walikuwa wanata decentralization ya power.....

Kanisa Katoliki lina mtambua Papa kama kiongozi mkuu, halifa wa Patro ...Ila Eastern Churches wenyewe wasisitiza Pope is the first among the Equal....

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

hiki cheo cha upapa kiloanza mwaka gani na nani alikianzisha kwa andiko lipi

Yani unataka kuuliza Petro alianza lini kuwa Baba Mtakatifu.. ?

 

[jiwe la majiwe]

Let me agree with you that most of them belong to Eastern Orthodox. But here is the thing. Once you say most of them, you rule out all of them.

Second, Eastern and Oriental churches are loosely tied. Each has its own Patriach or in catholic terms Pope.

Leave this topic guyz,Roman Catholic is the strongest church never happen,if you against Roman Catholic u real against Jesus Crust and his God Father,having a gud time SDA and let's Roman Catholic having their time.

 

[shayookoko]

kiukweli umekuwa mkristo usie na faida.
kuabudu miungu na kuvunja amri za Mungu ndiko kunakutesa mpaka umkosoe martini luther.
kajipange upya na hoja zako zenye kukinzana na imani ya ukristo.

Toa sababu yakufutwa vitabu, ni kweli biblia ya kilutheri inaupungufu wa vitabu, pia imebadilishwa maneno mengi, tupe sababu.

 

[Kitaja]

Nataka jibu ile back ground pic ile sura ni ya nani...??

Jibu kwanza hoja ya msingi, kwa nini katika katekisimo yenu mliondoa amri ya pili inayokataza kuabudu sanamu? Na kwa nini amri ya kumi inayokataza kutamani mali au mke wa jirani yako mmezifanya ni amri mbili wakati hiyo ni amri moja tu?

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Jibu kwanza hoja ya msingi, kwa nini katika katekisimo yenu mliondoa amri ya pili inayokataza kuabudu sanamu? Na kwa nini amri ya kumi inayokataza kutamani mali au mke wa jirani yako mmezifanya ni amri mbili wakati hiyo ni amri moja tu?

Hakuna amri iliyoondolewa hapo...Ni sawa na mtu aliyeandika 2+2=4 na mwingine akamua kuandika 1+3=4 ....Hapo hakuna tofauti ni kitu kile kile...

Rudi kwenye post yangu yenye picha uniambie yule kwenye Background picha ni nani...?? Na kwanini awepo pale...

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Toa sababu yakufutwa vitabu, ni kweli biblia ya kilutheri inaupungufu wa vitabu, pia imebadilishwa maneno mengi, tupe sababu.

Hakuna hata mmoja aliyetoa sababu....Nimeomba nipewe sababu ila wanaharibu mada kwa kuleta habari za Maria, sanamu...
Hakuna aliyethubutu kujibu swali hilo hata mmoja...

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Jibu kwanza hoja ya msingi,

Halafu hoja ya msingi ni Kwanini Martin Luther alipunguza vitabu vya Agano la Kale...?

Kwanini alifanya Attempt ya Kuondoa vitabu vya Ufunuo, Waebrania na Yakobo...?

Sasa sijui hoja ya msingi unayozungumzia ni ipi. ?

 

[Zakumi]

Leave this topic guyz,Roman Catholic is the strongest church never happen,if you against Roman Catholic u real against Jesus Crust and his God Father,having a gud time SDA and let's Roman Catholic having their time.

If you understand the teaching and the life of Jesus, you wouldn't brag the power of the Roman Catholic church. Power corrupts people and organizations and the RC isn't immuned to it.

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

If you understand the teaching and the life of Jesus, you wouldn't brag the power of the Roman Catholic church. Power corrupts people and organizations and the RC isn't immuned to it.

Hebu turudi kwenye mada husika..

Kwanini Martin Luther alipunguza vitabu 7 vya Agano la Kale...?

Kwanini alifanya attempt ya kuondoa vitabu vya Yakobo, Ufunuo na Waebrania...?

Tupe sababu ili tujikite kwenye mada..

 

[Zakumi]

Hebu turudi kwenye mada husika..

Kwanini Martin Luther alipunguza vitabu 7 vya Agano la Kale...?

Kwanini alifanya attempt ya kuondoa vitabu vya Yakobo, Ufunuo na Waebrania...?

Tupe sababu ili tujikite kwenye mada..

Kuhusiana na agano la kale, Luther hakuwa wa kwanza. Compilation ya wayahudi iliviondoa hivyo vitabu. Probably he wanted the old testament to match the hebrew compilation

Kuhusiana na vitabu vya agano vipya, alitumia doctrinal and apostolic reasons. Since doctrinal and apostolic reasoning isn't scientific or divine in nature, we can't say he was wrong or right.

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Kuhusiana na agano la kale, Luther hakuwa wa kwanza. Compilation ya wayahudi iliviondoa hivyo vitabu. Probably he wanted the old testament to match the hebrew compilation

Hayo mamlaka aliyatoa wapi angali Biblia ilishskamilika.. .?

 

[Otorong'ong'o]

Kuhusiana na vitabu vya agano vipya, alitumia doctrinal and apostolic reasons. Since doctrinal and apostolic reasoning isn't scientific or divine in nature, we can't say he was wrong or right.

Unaakili timamu kweli wewe...??? Doctrine gani alimfanya aondoe hivyo vitabu kama si kutaka ku-suit mafundisho yake na upotofu wake...?

Haya niambie ni Apostolic reason gani ilimfanya aviondoe vitabu hivyoo...???

Kama angafanikiwa leo ungekuja kutetea waprotestant kuwa na vitabu 24 vya Agano jipya...???

Acha kutetea ujinga wa Luther, hii laana ndio ilifanya mpaka leo hii Protestant si kitu kimja ila mnazidi kuparanganyika ...

Alichotaka kufanya Luther ni sawa na walokole waindoe Nyaraka ya Wakorinto inayokataza Wanawake kuhutubu madhabahuni simply ku-suit mafundisho yao..

Hicho na alichokifanya Luther...
Tutolee ujinga wa Apostolic na Doctrinal hapa

 

[jiwe la majiwe]

Unaakili timamu kweli wewe...??? Doctrine gani alimfanya aondoe hivyo vitabu kama si kutaka ku-suit mafundisho yake na upotofu wake...?

Haya niambie ni Apostolic reason gani ilimfanya aviondoe vitabu hivyoo...???

Kama angafanikiwa leo ungekuja kutetea waprotestant kuwa na vitabu 24 vya Agano jipya...???

Acha kutetea ujinga wa Luther, hii laana ndio ilifanya mpaka leo hii Protestant si kitu kimja ila mnazidi kuparanganyika ...

Alichotaka kufanya Luther ni sawa na walokole waindoe Nyaraka ya Wakorinto inayokataza Wanawake kuhutubu madhabahuni simply ku-suit mafundisho yao..

Hicho na alichokifanya Luther...
Tutolee ujinga wa Apostolic na Doctrinal hapa

Hapo umemshika pazuri...!Doctrine gani na Apostolic reasons zipi....?nasubiri,hawa watu wako shallow sana kwenye masuala ya maandiko na hawajui historia ya biblia.

 

[Kitaja]

Hebu turudi kwenye mada husika..

Kwanini Martin Luther alipunguza vitabu 7 vya Agano la Kale...?

Kwanini alifanya attempt ya kuondoa vitabu vya Yakobo, Ufunuo na Waebrania...?

Tupe sababu ili tujikite kwenye mada..

Jibuni kwanza kwanini mliondoa amri ya pili inayokataza kuchonga na kuabudu sanamu? Na kwa nini mligawanya amri ya kumi inayokataza kutamani mali au mke wa mtu, mmefanya amri mbili wakati hii ni amri moja inayokataza kutamani kitu chochote cha jirani yako? Mkishajibu haya ndipo muendeleze mashambulizi yenu kwa Martin Luther

 

[Abuu Said]

Mkuu kwa hili huna data.... Martine hakuwa Askofu, alikuwa Padre na miongoni mwa sababu zilizomuondoa kwenye kanisa Katoliki ni hili la Uaskofu, alipinga hairakia ya Kanisa na vyeo kama Uaskofu, Upapa na mengineyo. Sema tu mengi aliyoyapinga aliishia kuayatenda akiwa kwenye kanisa lake. Mengine ni suala la Useja, hakutaka kabisa kulisikia na alipoondoka aliondoka na Mtawa wa kike aliyeishia kuwa mkewe.

Mambo ni mengi sana na yanahitaji muda wa kutosha. Lakini niseme tu kwamba "siyo kila alilolipinga lilikuwa baya" mengine aliyapinga kihalali kabisa japo njia aliyoitumia haikuhalalisha kitendo chake!!!

Pili, Biblia za wapeotestanti na wapentekoste zina vitabu 66 wakati biblia ya Wakatoliki ina vitabu 72. Hili lilitokana na kuwa baadhi ya yaliyomo kwenye vitabu hivyo (deuterokanoni) vinapingana na mafundisho yao. Sababu nyingi ni za kibinadamu tu!!! Hili lilikuwa rahisi sana kwake kwani suala zima la "Utaifa" liliingizwq kwenye huu mchakato wa Luther kujiondoa kanisa, matokeo yake kwa vile alikuwa Mjerumani, dhehebu lake likawa "dini dora" ya Ujerumani, katika hali kama hii, ni rahisi kwa uwezo wa kifedha kuchapisha Biblia zenye vitabi 66 na kuviondoa vile vingine!!!!

Kwanini Mapadre wanatakiwa kuwa Waseja maisha yao yote au ndio kumuenzi Yesu Kristo?

 

[jiwe la majiwe]

Kwanini Mapadre wanatakiwa kuwa Waseja maisha yao yote au ndio kumuenzi Yesu Kristo?

Ni utaratibu wa Kanisa kwa makaasisi wake na useja haulizimishwi Bali wito tuu.

 

[jiwe la majiwe]

Jibuni kwanza kwanini mliondoa amri ya pili inayokataza kuchonga na kuabudu sanamu? Na kwa nini mligawanya amri ya kumi inayokataza kutamani mali au mke wa mtu, mmefanya amri mbili wakati hii ni amri moja inayokataza kutamani kitu chochote cha jirani yako? Mkishajibu haya ndipo muendeleze mashambulizi yenu kwa Martin Luther

Ndg hamna amri iliyoondolewa zaidi ya kuboreshwa umeambiwa 2+2=4 au 1+3=4 kwa mtu mwenye upeo mdogo huwezi kuelewa, kwani hiyo iliyotolewa ilikuwa inasaje na hiyo iliyowekwa inasemaje.....?hebu ziweke hadharani kwa faida forum ili zichambuliwe.