Kwanini Rais Magufuli hakutupa takwimu za uwekezaji wa Watanzania Kenya?

[Mwanzi1]

Kuwekeza Kenya hakutaki uwoga uwoga, lazima ujitolee maana tupo aggressive na ukija ukiwa mvivu na mwoga hutoweza. Hilo nawaambia bila kupepesa macho au kuwapaka mafuta kwa mgongo wa chupa.
Mimi nimehusika kwenye biashara za Bongo na kwa uhakika kwenu huko huwa kama holiday vile, hamna ushindani kabisa. Mnaachiana tu ilmradi mambo yaende, akiingia nyang'au huko ndio huwa mnaamka.

Mkenya akiingia Bongo mara ya kwanza huwa anabaibaika sana, unakuta hakuna mtu anayeonekana kujali hadi mambo yanakwenda vibaya, deadline zinapita kwenye miradi ndio Wabongo wanaanza kukurupuka.
Kuna mradi mmoja ulichelewa hadi siku zikapita kabisa, yaani nilikua nawaambia Wabongo jameni kitu kama hiki Kenya, upitilize deadline hivi unaishia pabaya, unapigwa chini bila huruma. Wao wapo wapo tu mambo yanaenda.

Kuwekeza Kenya lazima uwe tayari na sio kuingia tu. Wapo Wachagga wengi ambao wanafanya yao, wakirudi huko nafikiri huwa wanawapa taarifa kamili. Wazaramo na hayo mambo yenu ya Uswahili hamwezani. Msubiri tu Wahindi, Wachina, Wasouth na Wakenya waje kuwekeza.
Wasouth kidogo huwa wanajitutumua na kuwekeza Kenya.

Kaswali kadogo tuu nikuulize "ndugu" yangu mkenya, tajiri wa Tanzania akija kufunguwa biashara Kenya atabeba na wafanyakazi wa Tanzania kujanao Kenya? Au ataleta pesa na project yake awaachike wakenya muharibu wenyewe?

 

[Quickly]

Come on Geza Ulole and Usher-smith tukiweka siasa kando....aren't you even curious to know? Mi sijawai kusikia mtu akitaja hizo takwimu always watu wanageneralize by saying "Trade between the two countries stood at....." without going into the details au wanataja tu uwekezaji wa Kenya nchini Tanzania.
I've tried even googling statistics za Tanzanian investments in Kenya hakuna (na kama unazo please share)

Sio tu kwenye takwimu za biashara, bali takwimu kwa ujumla. Why is it unapata shida sana kutangaza takwimu zenu kwa fani zote za kimaisha? Afu pia media zenu hafifu sana kwa utangazaji na kuelemisha jamii. Dhahiri nyie ni data blind society.

 

[mbingunikwetu]

Nadhani mazingira siyo rafiki kwa watanzania kuwekeza Kenya!

 

[nomasana]

It's two simple reasons

One.....regular Tanzanians and their coperations simply don't have the financial means and ways to compete with their Kenyan counterparts.

Two.....the Kenyan market is more dynamic and complex than Tanzania. It's harder to invest in another country when your domestic market(in this case Tanzania) is not as strong as the target market(kenya)

And before Tanzanians start calling me names just remember that it's not personal. It's just the nature of business.

 

[Geza Ulole]

It's two simple reasons

One.....regular Tanzanians and their coperations simply don't have the financial means and ways to compete with their Kenyan counterparts.

Two.....the Kenyan market is more dynamic and complex than Tanzania. It's harder to invest in another country when your domestic market(in this case Tanzania) is not as strong as the target market(kenya)

And before Tanzanians start calling me names just remember that it's not personal. It's just the nature of business.

I asked u to mention any bigger companies than Bakhresa, MMI Steel and METL on their respective fields in Kenya i.e. returns and profits! Then if u fail ask urself why they don't give a damn about that Kenyan market!

 

[Cicero]

But what Geza Ulole is saying is true. Tanzanian multinationals have a tendency to overlook the Kenyan and East African market in favor of SADC markets like Zambia, Malawi and DRC.
Why is that the case?

 

[Geza Ulole]

But what Geza Ulole is saying is true. Tanzanian multinationals have a tendency to overlook the Kenyan and East African market in favor of SADC markets like Zambia, Malawi and DRC.
Why is that the case?

Exactly even they prefer Uganda and Rwanda to Kenya! Take example of this 100 mln investment in Uganda by MMI Steel! By all standards US$ 100 mln investment can go anywhere be in Kenya or South Africa even in the EU! Companies like Mirambo holdings at one time had a stake of 35% in Rift Valley Railway before divesting! Motisun group has three steel factories in Dar, Arusha and Mwanza and i am pretty sure they don't see a need to enter Nairobi as those Mwanza and Arusha plants can supply Nairobi and Western regions profitably due to proximity of ur markets from these two cities! They have just entered Ghana.

World Bank invests in MM Integrated Steel Mills Mozambique
MARCH 18TH, 2015

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The International Finance Corporation (IFC), of the World Bank Group, will invest in MM Integrated Steel Mills Mozambique in order to support the development of Mozambican industry,the IFC said in a statement Tuesday.

This investment will allow MM Integrated Steel Mills Mozambique, of Tanzanian group Motisun, to manufacture coloured sheets of high quality galvanised zinc and products used in construction of low cost housing projects.

The MM Integrated Steel Mills Mozambique factory is located in the special economic zone of the port of Nacala, in Nampula province, after the project was approved by the Office for Economic Areas with Accelerated Development (Gazeda) and the Bank of Mozambique.

Subhash Patel, founder and president of the Motisun group, was cited in the statement as saying that Mozambique is a country with a growing economy, which will require more materials for the construction of housing and the Nacala factory will meet market demand market at competitive prices.

The Motisun group has manufacturing facilities in Tanzania, Uganda and Zambia, as well as Mozambique, and markets its products in over ten African countries.

In the statement issued Tuesday the IFC did not disclose the amount of investment. (macauhub/MZ)

World Bank invests in MM Integrated Steel Mills Mozambique | Macauhub English

 

[nomasana]

I asked u to mention any bigger companies than Bakhresa, MMI Steel and METL on their respective fields in Kenya i.e. returns and profits! Then if u fail ask urself why they don't give a damn about that Kenyan market!

fuc.k outta here, that is the dog shit logic you thought was going to give you a upper hand in this argument?!

 

[Geza Ulole]

fuc.k outta here, that is the dog shit logic you thought was going to give you a upper hand in this argument?!

so r u trying to say those three companies can't invest in Kenya? Go through their portofolio in the last 5 years and see how much they have invested around the region with exception of Kenyan market! Kenyan market is not in the bag of their interest! As far as i know Bakhresa group and Azania group export their food products in Kenya due to the fact their production units are strategic placed in Tanzania. Mind u in that Kenya majority of u live in the lower South Eastern half of the country shares a border of 769 km with Tanzania behind only Ethiopia with 779 km! U simply can't force them to invest in Kenya, they go where they see highest return for their investment! It like me asking those Kenyan companies in Tanzania why not investment up North in Kenya?

 

[Geza Ulole]

But what Geza Ulole is saying is true. Tanzanian multinationals have a tendency to overlook the Kenyan and East African market in favor of SADC markets like Zambia, Malawi and DRC.
Why is that the case?

There is good returns there! Mind u it is only in the last three years u have been growing above 5.5% of the GDP! With time the scenario might change!

 

[waltham]

But what Geza Ulole is saying is true. Tanzanian multinationals have a tendency to overlook the Kenyan and East African market in favor of SADC markets like Zambia, Malawi and DRC.
Why is that the case?

sawa tupatie data ya makampuni ya tanzania yalio SADC basi. ni mangapi na kiasi gai ya pesa wamewekeza huko.......!!!!!!

 

[Geza Ulole]

sawa tupatie data ya makampuni ya tanzania yalio SADC basi. ni mangapi na kiasi gai ya pesa wamewekeza huko.......!!!!!!

yaani google kwa kuanzia na hayo matatu! sina muda wa ku-compile hizo ni kazi za Wakenya katika ku-boost their ego! there are also oil companies too! All these companies have warehouses in Kenya! 😛

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Edible oil processing plants in Zambia and Mozambique.
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Ginnery in Zambia
Textiles including spinning, weaving and processing in Ethiopia, Zambia and Mozambique
Detergents manufacturing plant in Ethiopia
Carton boxes manufacturing plant in Ethiopia
Warehouse facilities in Zambia, Malawi, Kenya, Uganda and Mozambique.
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Azam Worldwide

Bakhresa Group is one of the leading Industrial Houses in Tanzania, East Africa. Started in a humble manner with a small restaurant in the Port City of Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania, in mid seventies, it has now emerged as one of the prominent family owned business group in the region.

The Group has its operations spread in Tanzania, Zanzibar, Uganda, Kenya, Rwanda, Burundi, Malawi, Mozambique and South Africa. Plans are in place to spread its wings to other countries.

The Group now boasts of a turnover of more than Eight Hundred Million United Sates Dollars and is a proud employer of more than eight thousand employees associated directly.

There are several companies under its umbrella and have investments primarily in Food and Beverage Sector, Packaging, Logistics, Marine Passenger Services, Petroleum and Entertainment.
Azam Worldwide - Azam Bakhresa Group

Our group

The Motisun Group is a privately owned diversified business conglomerate based in Tanzania with various manufacturing companies in building materials such as steel, roofing products, cement, plastic tanks, pipes, paints etc. It is also present in sectors such as real estate, logistics, food and beverages and hospitality. Our geographic reach encompasses southern, central and eastern Africa a have our own manufacturing facilities located at Tanzania, Mozambique, Zambia and Uganda.

Under the able leadership, guidance and vision of Mr. Subhash M. Patel - Group CMD, Motisun Group has become one of the most successful business brands in Africa. The group’s investment in Africa while fostering economic growth and development provides ample employment opportunities to the local youth. To date, Motisun Group directly or indirectly provides employment to over 10,000 people.

In over 30 years of operations, the Group has made an exponential jump in investment and profitability, diversified its brand portfolio, introduced new products and innovations. All these were possible because we invested in people, technology the environment and a business philosophy that believes in sustainable growth. Our management is made up of a team of professionals with an exemplary track record all of whom have held senior management positions with organizations of repute both locally and internationally. They have the rare ability of being able to identify key strategies and implement them effectively.

We are perfectly placed, in understanding of our people, the communities we serve, the governments we work with and combine our expertise with aspirations of all those who wish to profitably invest in Africa's bright future.
Motisun Group Limited.

 

[Kafrican]

Bigger countries/economies invest more in smaller economies where they are sure of a significant controlling stake in that market.... This will apply except when that smaller market is exporting an exclusive unique product not found in the other bigger economy.... You can expect Kenya to have warehouses in Egypt, but not a manufacturing plant, no one from Kenya will risk investing millions of dollars in a plant in Egypt to compete with Egyptian manufactures, the cheapest and sound investment would be to set up a warehouse there and stalk our products sothat if our product doesn't sell that much then we wont have anything to loos if we pull out........ ... This why SA companies can be able to invest more in Kenya Tha Kenya can replicate the same in sa, we just don't have the financial muscle to compete inside SA....... And than is why Tanzanian firms would rather skip Kenya and go set up bases somewhere where they are the bigger economy with bigger industries.....

 

[Geza Ulole]

Bigger countries/economies invest more in smaller economies where they are sure of a significant controlling stake in that market.... This will apply except when that smaller market is exporting an exclusive unique product not found in the other bigger economy.... You can expect Kenya to have warehouses in Egypt, but not a manufacturing plant, no one from Kenya will risk investing millions of dollars in a plant in Egypt to compete with Egyptian manufactures, the cheapest and sound investment would be to set up a warehouse there and stalk our products sothat if our product doesn't sell that much then we wont have anything to loos if we pull out........ ... This why SA companies can be able to invest more in Kenya Tha Kenya can replicate the same in sa, we just don't have the financial muscle to compete inside SA....... And than is why Tanzanian firms would rather skip Kenya and go set up bases somewhere where they are the bigger economy with bigger industries.....

Wrong msijitetee! Tanzanian companies r also in SA! Go through the portofolio above! As i said Kenya is not in their priority list! Bakhresa group is having a milling plant in Durban they even wanted to open one in Mombasa before they shelved the plan! Na mbona Azam TV ipo Kenya? Mind u that's a company with a turnover that about to cross a US$ 1bln mark!

 

[Muria]

Sio tu kwenye takwimu za biashara, bali takwimu kwa ujumla. Why is it unapata shida sana kutangaza takwimu zenu kwa fani zote za kimaisha? Afu pia media zenu hafifu sana kwa utangazaji na kuelemisha jamii. Dhahiri nyie ni data blind society.

Actually Tanzania is seen to generate better and more robust social data than Kenya. There is a difference between data occurence and availability. The world bank ranks Tanzania higher than Kenya on data availability. Kenya just seems to publish its data more so it seems.

 

[Muria]

so r u trying to say those three companies can't invest in Kenya? Go through their portofolio in the last 5 years and see how much they have invested around the region with exception of Kenyan market! Kenyan market is not in the bag of their interest! As far as i know Bakhresa group and Azania group export their food products in Kenya due to the fact their production units are strategic placed in Tanzania. Mind u in that Kenya majority of u live in the lower South Eastern half of the country shares a border of 769 km with Tanzania behind only Ethiopia with 779 km! U simply can't force them to invest in Kenya, they go where they see highest return for their investment! It like me asking those Kenyan companies in Tanzania why not investment up North in Kenya?

I wouldn't really take a private company's word at face value. Unless you have seen (and can share) Bakhresa Group's annual statements, don't assume that because they claim a big portfolio, they are a solid operation. Big is relative and the truth is, no one really knows how well Bakhresa, METL, Motisun Group or MMI steel are doing because apart from their shareholders, no one has ever seen their financial statements. On the other hand, everyone knows how big CRDB, TBL, TCC or swala oil are because we see their statements regularly.

 

[Geza Ulole]

I wouldn't really take a private company's word at face value. Unless you have seen (and can share) Bakhresa Group's annual statements, don't assume that because they claim a big portfolio, they are a solid operation. Big is relative and the truth is, no one really knows how well Bakhresa, METL, Motisun Group or MMI steel are doing because apart from their shareholders, no one has ever seen their financial statements. On the other hand, everyone knows how big CRDB, TBL, TCC or swala oil are because we see their statements regularly.

so when Forbes says Bakhresa yearly turnover is over $800 mln, whats ur take?

 

[Livale]

We don't sale cheap goods like Kenya's do, binzari, maziwa, and curry powder. We sale industrial goods like metal, iron ore, pipes, poles for electric distribution, electricity, cereals, safari vans and soon gas and fertiliser.

Oh boy, are you even serious!

 

[Livale]

Livale, Mbona Betacare owned by Shellys pharmaceutical na pia unataka kusema mmi steel largest in EA wanashindwa kuingia Kenya wakitaka? If i were u i would hav looked at proximity of Nrb from Arusha, Mombasa from Tanga n Kisumu from Mwanza n see no need to put a plant in Kenya if these three cities have production units. U need to be in Tanzanian business mentality to know they look at ur popln concentration in South Western as a factor to not invest in Kenya.

MMI is far from the largest steel maker in East Africa, not even the largest in Tanzania. Read about safal group, Africa’s largest producer of steel roofing and the sole producer of Aluminium Zinc coated steel on the continent and Devki Ltd, Kenya's largest steel producer. If I may provide figures, the output of Tanzania's largest steel maker, Aluminum Africa (Alaf) is 70,000tpy. But it's a subsidiary of Kenya's Safal group. MMI has a total capacity of 35,000tpy. Kenya's Devki in contrast produces 250,000tpy while safal is at 200,000tpy in Kenya alone, it's got branches in 11 countries.
EAST AFRICA SPECIAL REPORT: Meet the market movers | Metal Bulletin.com

You don't want me to dwelve into the pharmaceutical sub-sector, trust me.

 

[nomasana]

MMI is far from the largest steel maker in East Africa, not even the largest in Tanzania. Read about safal group, Africa’s largest producer of steel roofing and the sole producer of Aluminium Zinc coated steel on the continent and Devki Ltd, Kenya's largest steel producer. If I may provide figures, the output of Tanzania's largest steel maker, Aluminum Africa (Alaf) is 70,000tpy. But it's a subsidiary of Kenya's Safal group. MMI has a total capacity of 35,000tpy. Kenya's Devki in contrast produces 250,000tpy while safal is at 200,000tpy in Kenya alone, it's got branches in 11 countries.

You don't want me to dwelve into the pharmaceutical sub-sector, trust me.

hahhaha............geza is a clown man.