Nzowa Godat
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HAa!? kwani yeye ni Tippu Tip !
Lets make Rostum Aziz the next President of Tanzania!
Lets make Rostum Aziz the next President of Tanzania!
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SAGAI GALGANO
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Rev. Kishoka you are wrong, right now Rostam Aziz is the president of URT,prove me wrong.
Rev. Kishoka
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Tajiri,
Kama ndivyo kuwa nia ya Rostam ilikuwa ni kuwafanya wawe tegemezi, ina maana wanachama wote waliobakia wanaburuzwa na mtu mmoja? Then what says of CCM kujiachia kuburuzwa na mtu mmoja?
On second note, kama Rostam huyuhuyu aliletwa ndani ya Chama na akaleta mfumo mpya wa kukijenga chama kimali na hata kutumia fedha za umma visivyo na ikaafikiwa na Chama kizima na chama kikajijenga kimaslahi mna kuwa na mtaji mkubwa wa kujiendesha, kwa nini basi tusimpe nchi aiwezeshe kujiendesha na kimaslahi mpaka mapato kama alivyofanya ndani ya CCM?
Ikiwa leo kuna kilio na wasiwasi ndani ya CCM, jee Rostam ana uchawi gani wa kufanya mambo yafanyike kwa ufanisi na sasa kuna woga wa ajabu akiondoka Chama kitgasambaratika na hakitakuwa na uwezo tena?
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crap!!!!!!!! kama huna cha kusema kaa kimya siyo kuleta hoja za hovyo hovyo kabisa. Hii ni sawa na kumfikiria Yesu akiendesha Bajaj au bodaboda
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Mchungaji,
Kwa heshima yako leo nilikuwa nimeamua sitochangia maana discourse on JF recently has hit rock bottom na ushabiki mwingi, mara chache naona posts kama za kwako na Mwanakijiji, ila honestly this can be voted as one of the best threads of JF.
Tatizo wachangiaji wengi wamebaki kwenye ushabiki na wameshindwa kusoma 'between the lines". This is the best social commentary about Tanzania as a society. Kama wanavyosema leaders are a reflection of the people who voted them into power. Sasa tunapotaka kujifanya kuwa Rostam is a low life scumbag na hatutaki kukubali kuwa he is a reflection of us, we are not doing our future generation justice.
Kwanza kabisa tubadilike na tuwe serious about ethics, morality etc si tu kwa maneno, kwani vinginevyo ni kheri tumpate Rostam kama rais kwani inaonekana ana qualities that we secretly or openly admire most... He is a go-getter, ruthless, cunning and shrewd person, but it seems people like him thrive in this society! So let him be the king as he has passed with flying colors as kingmaker... hahahaha!
Rev Kishoka, thanks for giving us food for thought and I hope that others will spend more time pondering and thinking deeply about this post once they are past the superficial and oftentimes dishonest 'outrage'.
Kwa heshima yako leo nilikuwa nimeamua sitochangia maana discourse on JF recently has hit rock bottom na ushabiki mwingi, mara chache naona posts kama za kwako na Mwanakijiji, ila honestly this can be voted as one of the best threads of JF.
Tatizo wachangiaji wengi wamebaki kwenye ushabiki na wameshindwa kusoma 'between the lines". This is the best social commentary about Tanzania as a society. Kama wanavyosema leaders are a reflection of the people who voted them into power. Sasa tunapotaka kujifanya kuwa Rostam is a low life scumbag na hatutaki kukubali kuwa he is a reflection of us, we are not doing our future generation justice.
Kwanza kabisa tubadilike na tuwe serious about ethics, morality etc si tu kwa maneno, kwani vinginevyo ni kheri tumpate Rostam kama rais kwani inaonekana ana qualities that we secretly or openly admire most... He is a go-getter, ruthless, cunning and shrewd person, but it seems people like him thrive in this society! So let him be the king as he has passed with flying colors as kingmaker... hahahaha!
Rev Kishoka, thanks for giving us food for thought and I hope that others will spend more time pondering and thinking deeply about this post once they are past the superficial and oftentimes dishonest 'outrage'.
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ni kweli RA anatufaa thana watanthania kutuvusha walau hatua kazaaa
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Dear Susuviri,
I guess we are in deep denial that we do not have any moral compass and we are basically moraless! Imagine a nation where kitu kidogo is a norm and part and parcel of life at all levels. If someone gets picked up by traffic, they start negotiationg their way out kisa, they do not want usumbufu! You break the law and instead of paying the consequences, you are lookign for a way out!
Go in service sector, we are dominated by impatiency and we are ready to provide a chai so our files and cases can be worked as prority instead of addressing the bureaucracy in place. We are accomodating the diseases by finding convenience ways to manage our ways and live our lives bila shida!
Then this becomes a culture and it is deeply embedded into our boods. We need blood transfusion or just geta chemotherapy to wipe out the cells and viruses that have made us so dependent on mambo ya kimjinimjini, bongobongo na fastafasta as way to get stuff.
We as Wananchi have entertained the petty chai and at grand scale they are fisadiing!
My curiosity on Rostam is how in hell he was able to come in as a single person and presented a financial plan-scheme to CCM and it was widely accepted and CCM as whole benefited through his schemes and now they are on top of their lungs disowning him?
If he provided a solution to CCM and they enjoyed his crafty work, then we should employ him as a country to find the solutions to our problems and we will become winners just like CCM!
Tukubali, aliwazidi CCM akili na chama kizima bowed to Mr. Fix It All, now asa country we need to go back to him and employ his services. He got it done in CCM and he will get it done for Tanzania and the only minute we will have luxury to focus on morals will be the minute we all put a halt on paying a traffic buku tano uachiliwe or gunia la mchele kwa fundi wa Tanesco akuunganishie umeme (tena wala si wa halali bali wa kuibia chapchap) bila kufuata taratibu.
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The other issue we need to address as Tanzanians is xenophobia. Had Rostam being a Black Tanzanian not half of the wrath and hate would be directed as he currently experiences. Apart from Rostam's ruthless and cunning techniques, he is not the only one in history and in the current political system who is trying to become kingmaker. Look at some of the comments - "ngozi nyeupe hawezi kuwa rais wetu". What kind of base argument is that? Honestly JF is loosing its edge with such comments!
But back to the issue, apart from the fact that Rostam is light skinned, there is also this whole myth about his role as Iranian spy, yet not much can be substantiated. Judging by the shrewdness of this guy, I think he has contributed heavily to developing this myth about himself, making him almost 'superman' in the eyes of Tanzanians. He is believed to have deep pockets and wide reach in the country, to poison his rivals etc. His ruthlessness is of mythic proportion. Yet for over a decade, I mostly heard people talk of him in admiration, his 'evilness' came after 2006 and 2007 when the rift between the CCJ branch of CCM and wanamtandao of the Triplets grew. Nonethless it seems that he has been mostly used to provide as you mentioned a 'financial plan' for CCM and it seems that he has provided plenty of cash for Kikwete's campaign in 2005 and even in 2010, they turned to Rostam for financing. So if we Tanzanians, continue to accept CCM to remain in power, and accept that the CCM way is the right way (with acceptance of 'chai' 'kitu kidogo' na 'kuishi kimjimjini') then nobody does it best than Rostam Aziz, so hail to the King!
I really hope the mods won't let this thread degenerate to the recent fashionably low level discussion.
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He must be the first Fourthionare in world.
Rev. Kishoka,
Mimi nitafanya utani ingawa ndio ukweli na hali halisi. Huwezi kumfanya Rostam rais wakati yeye alikuwa rais wakati wote wa utawala wa JK. Ni yeye aloyaleta yote ambayo unayafikiria ktk maendeleo ya nchi yetu. Na kama sikosei nephew wake ndiye CEO wa mradi wa bomba la mafuta (gas) kutoka Dar hadi Mwanza na pia ndiye shemeji yetu!..nitajie mpango wowote wa maendeleo ambao Rostam hana mkono wake! sasa kama huyu sii rais tumwite nani? kujiuzuru kwa ke wala sii sababu kwani alikuwa mtawala na ataendelea kuwa mtawala, wanawake siku hizi wanasema - Mwanamme pochi - Money talk!
Mimi nitafanya utani ingawa ndio ukweli na hali halisi. Huwezi kumfanya Rostam rais wakati yeye alikuwa rais wakati wote wa utawala wa JK. Ni yeye aloyaleta yote ambayo unayafikiria ktk maendeleo ya nchi yetu. Na kama sikosei nephew wake ndiye CEO wa mradi wa bomba la mafuta (gas) kutoka Dar hadi Mwanza na pia ndiye shemeji yetu!..nitajie mpango wowote wa maendeleo ambao Rostam hana mkono wake! sasa kama huyu sii rais tumwite nani? kujiuzuru kwa ke wala sii sababu kwani alikuwa mtawala na ataendelea kuwa mtawala, wanawake siku hizi wanasema - Mwanamme pochi - Money talk!
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Ukitafakari sana ni mzaa lakini wenye ukweli,huyu jamaa ndio mwenye kampuni ya kwanza Tanzania CASPIAN kuingia mkataba kwenye migodi mikubwa zama hizo miaka kumi iliyopita mojawapo ya migodi hiyo iliyoko Kahama ilimpa kazi yenye thamani ya Billion 45.
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Susuviri,
You have nailed it! THe Xenophobia huyu si mwenzetu or the Mzawa talk! Nyerere preached against it and people became deafabout it.
Now it is war against Wachagga, claims by Wakristo eti huyu ni Muislamu and so is Waislamu eti tumechoka Makafiri! Then nyinyi ni watoto wadogo mtatueleza nini, and a response ni kuwa mshazeeka stone age!
It is interesting that for the past 20 years, we have never had any person of Asia or European origin in our Cabinet! We have decided to create a government that lacks diversity of everything. All what matters is everyone agreeing to each and everything and no wonder we have lost direction.
As you stated, leo hii Mengi tuko tayari kumfanya a national hero, a saint, but we have doubts about Bakhresa a hard working man. Even Mo is under microscope kisa mhindi, but we enjoy matunda ya uchapakazi wake with all sorts of misaada he dishes out to the community.
Ni Taifa la Vilaza wasio na utu, tumejawa roho kutu na kujitukuza tu safi... look at the crowd that went to Mbeya kuongelea Magamba! All of them stink and are failures! If one of them could stand up and show me what he or she has done sucessfully with exception of ubwabwajaji or even getting some some chai and hand out from anywhere or some scheme, then I will bend over and take 10 lashes on my tail!
Rev. Kishoka
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Mkandara,
Unauzungumzia Urais Kivuli, ambako ananeemeka zaidi binafsi. Mimi nataka tumpe Urais rasmi, si haya ya kivulini na kisirisiri, na tumpigie kura na tumwapishe tumwambie tunakupa dhamana fanya kazi!
Hii ya yeye kuwa Rasi Kivuli sanasana ndio anaendelea kujineemesha mwenyewe kimya kimya and he is not facing the spotlight!
Can you imagine kusikia kuwa kuna kilio na kusaga meno ndani ya CCM na watu wanaulizana what will be of their lives after Rostum's departure?
jmushi1
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Susuviri,kudai kuwa ni kwasababu RA si mweusi ndo maana anaface hii wrath ni utumwa wa akili.Hamutaki kuhoji nia za watu,ndo maana kuna watu waliwatetea waliowachukua babu zetu utumwani.Yani i cant believe that mentality haijabadilika.Wachache sana,lakini wengi wetu bado utumwa wa akili unatusumbua.Haya endeleeni,nchi tumewaachia ila ukweli tutawalima nao.Rekodi ipo,ni kazi ya kizazi kijacho ku judge.
Really unbelievable!
Kaazi kweli kweli!
Rev. Kishoka
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Mwanangu JMushi,
Offer us some tangible solutions using the current reality state of our affairs basi...
jmushi1
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Ulizieni mwalimu alifanya nini kwa watu waliokuwa wakidaiwa kuiweka serikali mfukoni.Halafu mfuate mifano hiyo.Sasa kipindi kile cha mwalimu yule mgiriki ndo angefanywa waziri kwasababu ya madai yake ya uking maker?Tumieni akili jamani.Mawazo haya mliyo nayo ni hasi.