Look busy, Magufuli is coming? Surely Tanzanian professionals are beyond this

Look busy, Magufuli is coming? Surely Tanzanian professionals are beyond this

eliakeem said:
MK254
mtoa hoja.

njoo ufunge mjadala. also give credit to all members who participated fully in discussing the issue. I think you will value their contribution in this meeting.
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Ukiona mtu anakimbilia kutaka mjadala ufungwe ujue kashindwa hoja.

JF huwa hatufungi mjadala.

Unafikiri ni warsha elekezi ya serikali hii?
 
Al-Watan said:
Moja ya sababu tunakuwa masikini ni ku minimize mambo muhimu na kuyasema kama trivial issues.

Ndiyo maana hata makosa makubwa ya Magufuli yanayo impact investor confidence mnayaona trivial issues.

Kukosa attention to detail.

Unasaini mkataba kwa kutojua tofauti ya nonsense na no nonsense.

Unagharimika mabilioni.

Hapo ndipo utajua trivial issue.

Mtu asiyejua tofauti ya nonsense na no nosense kujadili the intricacies of the economy ni kujishebedua tu.

Zaidi, mtu asiyetaka kusahihishwa anatuonesha anakumbatia ujinga.
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lkn alikili kuwa alifanya kosa la kiandishi. na ambalo is not uncommon one to do that. lkn wewe ukaifanya kuwa ni core agenda. na ukairudia kuiongelea kwa post zaidi ya moja wakati aliyekosa alikubali. hilo linaashiria nini. linaonesha kuwa hoja muhimu zimekuishia. nalo hilo is not uncommon kwani binadamu tuna uwezo wenye kikomo.
thanks.
 
Al-Watan said:
Ukiona mtu anakimbilia kutaka mjadala ufungwe ujue kashindwa hoja.

JF huwa hatufungi mjadala.

Unafikiri ni warsha elekezi ya serikali hii?
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serikali hii ni smart bana. umewahi sikia semina elekezi yoyote ile kwa wateule??
 
eliakeem said:
serikali hii ni smart bana. umewahi sikia semina elekezi yoyote ile kwa wateule??
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Ingekuwa smart Magufuli asingesema kuna mawaziri wake wapumbavu na kutueleza kwamba yeye aliyewateua wapumbavu kuwa mawaziri ni mpumbavu zaidi.
 
eliakeem said:
lkn alikili kuwa alifanya kosa la kiandishi. na ambalo is not uncommon one to do that. lkn wewe ukaifanya kuwa ni core agenda. na ukairudia kuiongelea kwa post zaidi ya moja wakati aliyekosa alikubali. hilo linaashiria nini. linaonesha kuwa hoja muhimu zimekuishia. nalo hilo is not uncommon kwani binadamu tuna uwezo wenye kikomo.
thanks.
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Wewe ndiye msemaji wake?

Alikili au alikiri?

Wapi?

Wewe nawe hata Kiswahili hujui?
 
Al-Watan said:
You are very right in your main observation, analysis and conclusion.

And without context,your critique is outstanding. When I engage with someone like you, I temporarily cast aside any concern that the person I am engaging with does not know what they are talking about (unfortunately,I cannot say the same about eliakeem, he will have to behave or endure abuse, he is all over the map like a lost Magellan ), because, on the surface,you seem to know what you are talking about. Your retort is a natural one in this conversation for any thinking, informed person who knows how to connect dots.

I actually anticipated the points you raised.

My concern is not so much with the lowering of the interest rate, but with the scale, frequency, extent of direction, and the entire context of politics that surrounds this.

I try to be a reading man -as much as possible, I believe that to talk much one has to read much, else one does not earn the right-. Last year I read "The Only Game in Town: Central Banks, Instability, and Avoiding the Next Collapse" by Mohamed A. El-Erian.He talks much about the dangers of overreliance on central banks to address crises. The book is dry as can be for anyone not interested in central banks, the economy and financial crises, but for me it was a good read, since I find these things as interesting as a living ecology.

It is almost like central banks are used as the magic pill. Politicians can mess up the economy all they want, if there is a crisis, there is always the central bank,it can always turn the dials to get the economy back on track. This is worrying, especially when you see a move from 16% to 12% in 5 months is not effective, then another move from 12% to 9% is barely registering any difference.

As pointed out above in another post of mine, we could be trying to turn the wrong dials. We could be trying to jolt money supply by fiddling with interest rates, while the real problem is business confidence and the political administration.

This is why a healthy dose of humility on the part of Magufuli could go a long way.

Currently, we do not have an iota of that dose.

I am afraid by the time the realization that we are in a ditch hits, it could be too late.
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One thing I'll agree with you is the action of politician can change “economically wave current”. Most central bank governors knows this world over, similar thing is happening with Brexit, UK Central bank governor is struggle to control the negative effect of Brexit in British economy. The whole Brexit idea was brought by lone politician who himself is not in office anymore and he has already collected his golden handshake.

Coming back the issue of investors being sceptical, you can't spring cleaning your house without moving furniture around. Any offset on the economy you mentioned [in my view] are temporally. As I've mentioned above, we're undergoing a massive auditing like it has never been done before in Tanzania history, on top of that we're in middle of rebasing our economy. In the end there will be winners and losers but all this for the good cause.

No matter who took office November 2015 Lowassa or Magufuli, none of them could avoid the deepen of investors. Hata kama tungekuwa wapole to the investors, we wouldn't avoid the cut. The whole region is in same dog house when it comes to investors, when the last time you heard a mega FDI coming into the region apart from loan investment? We might debate about micro economics, but without proper data that economy wouldn't benefit us that much. Even the banks themselves they would running a risk of lending to people with worse credit history. This what has happen today when gov just took a sample of veti faki, you saw the rise of unserviced debt. As painful as it might be, spring cleaning our economy was inevitable.

On the other hand, many people are finding difficult to grasped with “leadership 2.0”. The politics of Distraction, Diversion, No Apologies, No Holds Barred. I find people are glued to what their leaders are saying, but not to what their leaders are doing. We've seen this with Magufuli, we've seen this with Trump. While most people are clinging on every word the president had said, the president himself is busy pushing some “hard to swallow” reformers which they may change things for decades to come. From Pension to land, tax, communicatio, data management, banking, education, transport and so on. While we are all sleeping, things are happening and they're happening fast.
 
Mwanzi1 said:
One thing I'll agree with you is the action of politician can change “economically wave current”. Most central bank governors knows this world over, similar thing is happening with Brexit, UK Central bank governor is struggle to control the negative effect of Brexit in British economy. The whole Brexit idea was brought by lone politician who himself is not in office anymore and he has already collected his golden handshake.

Coming back the issue of investors being sceptical, you can't spring cleaning your house without moving furniture around. Any offset on the economy you mentioned [in my view] are temporally. As I've mentioned above, we're undergoing a massive auditing like it has never been done before in Tanzania history, on top of that we're in middle of rebasing our economy. In the end there will be winners and losers but all this for the good cause.

No matter who took office November 2015 Lowassa or Magufuli, none of them could avoid the deepen of investors. Hata kama tungekuwa wapole to the investors, we wouldn't avoid the cut. The whole region is in same dog house when it comes to investors, when the last time you heard a mega FDI coming into the region apart from loan investment? We might debate about micro economics, but without proper data that economy wouldn't benefit us that much. Even the banks themselves they would running a risk of lending to people with worse credit history. This what has happen today when gov just took a sample of veti faki, you saw the rise of unserviced debt. As painful as it might be, spring cleaning our economy was inevitable.

On the other hand, many people are finding difficult to grasped with “leadership 2.0”. The politics of Distraction, Diversion, No Apologies, No Holds Barred. I find people are glued to what their leaders are saying, but not to what their leaders are doing. We've seen this with Magufuli, we've seen this with Trump. While most people are clinging on every word the president had said, the president himself is busy pushing some “hard to swallow” reformers which they may change things for decades to come. From Pension to land, tax, communicatio, data management, banking, education, transport and so on. While we are all sleeping, things are happening and they're happening fast.
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The issue is, a lot if naturally optumistic people will excuse gross malfeasance, while a lot of justified skeptics will read tea leaves shaking from Magufulis accent.

I look at Magufuli actions and his contradictory nature and see a puppet show going on.

Take the Dodoma move for example.

For an administration that is supposedly rooted in economic discipline, the entire move is a cruel joke with a bad punchline in an overpriced show.
 
Al-Watan said:
Zitto on kusinyaa kwa Uchumi na Airtel.

Ninasimama na uchambuzi niliyoufanya na kupitishwa na Kamati Kuu ya Chama chetu cha Act Wazalendo kuwa ukuaji wa Uchumi wa nchi yetu unasinyaa. Uchambuzi wa takwimu zilizotolewa na NBS hauwezi kuwa kosa kwa namna yeyote ile. Sera za Uchumi za Serikali ya Awamu ya zilizopelekea kuanguka kwa mikopo kwenda sekta binafsi na hivyo ugavi wa fedha ( money supply M3 ) zimesababisha ukuaji wa Uchumi wa nchi yetu kusinyaa. Shirika la Fedha la Kimataifa ( IMF ) wamethibitisha hilo kwenye Taarifa yao na wameagiza Serikali kutazama upya vyanzo vyao vya Takwimu. Rais John Pombe Magufuli hawezi kuzuia uchambuzi huru wa kisera na pia takwimu za Serikali zinakosoleka na tutaendelea kutoa takwimu mbadala pale NBS wanapotoa Takwimu za uongo kufurahisha watawala.

Jambo la Airtel ni kama NBC

Nimejizuia kulisemea jambo hili Kwa sababu mbalimbali. Sababu kubwa ni kwamba unahitaji MAARIFA kushughulika na masuala kama haya.

Tukiwa PAC tulifanyia kazi sana suala la Sera ya Ubinafsishaji. Katika kila Taarifa yetu ya Mwaka tulikuwa na sehemu maalumu iliyoeleza ufuatiliaji wetu wa utekelezaji wa Sera ya ubinafsishaji. Ubinafsishaji wa TTCL ni suala tulilitolea Taarifa mara kadhaa Bungeni na Taarifa yetu ya mwisho ilikuwa January 2015. Ni ukweli usio na mashaka kuwa Kampuni ya Celtel ( sasa Airtel ) haikulipa chochote kuwezesha kumiliki hisa kwenye Celtel Tanzania na pia uuzwaji wa Celtel kwenda Zain na kisha Airtel ulipelekea Tanzania kupoteza Mapato ya Kodi ya ongezeko la Mtaji ( capital gains tax ). Mwaka 2011 Mzee Harry Kitilya akiwa Kamishna Mkuu wa TRA alituletea kwenye Kamati uchambuzi wa mapato tuliyopoteza ya jumla ya USD 312m kwa mauzo ya Zain kwenda Airtel. Kazi ndio iliwezesha kufanikiwa kutunga sheria ya capital gains tax mwaka 2012 na kuziba mwanya huo wa makampuni ya Kimataifa kukwepa kodi nchini kwetu.

Hata hivyo tunahitaji kushughulika na jambo hili la Airtel kwa muktadha wa zoezi zima la Ubinafsishaji nchini. PAC iliagiza CAG kufanya Post privatization audit ya Mashirika kadhaa ikiwemo Benki ya NBC. Matokeo yake tuliyawasilisha Bungeni. Uuzwaji wa NBC nao ulikuwa ni wa bure na huwezi kushughulika na kampuni moja moja bila kutazama muktadha mzima wa zoezi la Ubinafsishaji wa Mashirika ya Umma.

Ushauri wangu ni kutazama mchakato mzima wa Ubinafsishaji kwa kufanya ukaguzi maalumu wa sera nzima ili kutoa mapendekezo ya kurekebisha makosa yaliyofanyika. Hii itawezesha nchi kutoyumbayumba na matukio na badala yake kuwa na ‘ policy consistency ‘ kwenye jambo zima la Ubinafsishaji. Rais anaweza kuunda Tume ya Rais ( commission of inquiry) kutazama namna ubinafsishaji ulifanyika na kuchukua hatua za kisayansi baada ya matokeo ya kazi hiyo. Hili la Airtel linaweza kushughulikiwa humo na kupata matunda mazuri zaidi.

Heri ya Mwaka Mpya 2018. Mola awabariki sana na kumaliza salama mwaka 2017
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hii ungeifungulia Uzi wake ili tujadili hayo mawazo yake. ambayo siyo lazima nikubaliane naye au pia mawazo hayo siyo lazima yawe authority, maana hatujui kama kafanya utafiti wa kutosha.

lkn pamoja na hayo. zito kachanganya mambo sehemu fulani. anasema kodi ya ongezeko la mtaji kwenye mabano (capital gain tax - cgt). kimsingi hakuna kodi inayoitwa kodi ya ongezeko la mtaji ktk vitabu vya sheria za kodi za Tanzania. na hiyo anayoifananisha nayo cgt haimaanishi anachosema. cgt ni kodi inayotozwa kwenye faida inayopatika baada ya kuuza mali (disposition of assets - whether tangible like property or intangible like shares and bonds).

lkn Mimi bado hilo halinifanyi nione zito hamna alichofanya. ame compose discourse nzuri tu.
sasa jamaa my overlook hiyo term no nonsense ukaiweka kuwa hooja.
 
eliakeem said:
MK254
mtoa hoja.

njoo ufunge mjadala. also give credit to all members who participated fully in discussing the issue. I think you will value their contribution in this meeting.
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Ninadhani kuna umuhimu wa kufungua mjadala wa lugha, ninahisi huko ndiko baadhi yetu tuna competitive advantage huko, hizi mada ngumu ngumu zinazohitaji elimu kubwa za uchumi, sisi wengine mnatufanya tuonekane kichekesho, tutatafuta sababu yeyote ile ili tuweze derail mada kuu, ili tufiche aibu[emoji23] [emoji23]
 
Mwanzi1 said:
From Pension to land, tax, communicatio, data management, banking, education, transport and so on. While we are all sleeping, things are happening and they're happening fast.
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What surprises me is how delusional some people are, with straight face saying that nothing good is happening in this administration.
 
kama kuna ka ukweli hivi
MK254 said:
Lakini kwa mwendo huo imefikia kuwaonea huruma Wabongo, maana hamkua mumezoea kufanya chochote kwa kasi, sasa mnaishia kujenga bweni zenye nyufa kisa hamtaki mkulu akasirike.

Sisi Wakenya hatuwezi kutisihika maana tumezoea kujituma bila kusubiri uongozi, nakupa siri muhimu sana kwa maisha yako, ukizoea kujituma kwa bidii bila utepetevu, utaishi maisha bila msukumo wa damu, jiulize nini huwa kinasababisha kampuni za Watanzania zilizomilikiwa na Watanzania zinaamua kuingia gharama za kutafuta Wahindi na Wakenya waje wafanye kazi ambazo kuna Watanzania waliohitimu kuzifanya.

Yaani wewe mkurungezi unaamua kuingia gharama kubwa ya kibali (work permit Tanzania is the most expensive, rigorous and stringent), gharama ya malazi kwenye mahoteli na mishahara ili kumleta Mhindi au Mkenya ilhali hapo nje kuna Watanzania wengi wanapita na vyeti wakiomba hiyo ajira.

Sasa kwa mwendo huu wa Magufuli ambao hamkua mumeuzoea, mnaishia kufanya madudu kwa kwenda mbele, maana hakomi kuwashtukiza na kuwapelekesha.
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joto la jiwe said:
Ninadhani kuna umuhimu wa kufungua mjadala wa lugha, ninahisi huko ndiko baadhi yetu tuna competitive advantage huko, hizi mada ngumu ngumu zinazohitaji elimu kubwa za uchumi, sisi wengine mnatufanya tuonekane kichekesho, tutatafuta sababu yeyote ile ili tuweze derail mada kuu, ili tufiche aibu[emoji23] [emoji23]
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Umenichekesha na neno derail [emoji23] [emoji23][emoji23]
 
Chamoto said:
What surprises me is how delusional some people are, with straight face saying that nothing good is happening in this administration.
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Who said nothing good is happening in this administration?

What is nothing? What is good?
 
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