Majeshi yetu Comoro: Who is responsible?

Majeshi yetu Comoro: Who is responsible?

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I support the major objective, lakini kwa hawa viongozi wetu kama mabo yenyewe ndiyo kampeni za PM siwezi kushangaa kama mission ina ufisadi na wana percents zao cha juu

I am smelling something on this thread about Comoro operation!. let us hope that all members who contribute on this thread are open to air their opinion.

i hope that this democracy which we desperately want to bring to Comoro will be the very same democracy we wish for ourselves in Mainland tanzania as well as islands of Zanzibar.

I'am afraid the private messages (PM) to turn into the "lobbying ground" of some of us
to support the mission.
 
Bacar was given all diplomatic options since mid 2007, all he has been doing is dilly dallying and buying time.

Sanctions will only hurt the unintended, poor people of Anjouan.

It depends on how sanctions are aplied, sanctions zingemlenga bacar ,na serikali yake as individuals zingekuwa very effective.
halafu kama Au walishakubaliana kumsanction bacar ilikuwa ni time ya kuongea na wakubwa kina USA, france, wewe unadhani bacar angekuwa maginalized huku Afrika na dunia nzima ikimsusia unadhani angesimama?

hapa Au haikutumia turufu yake ya kidiplomasia kujenga coalition yenye nguvu ya kumpressurize jamaa.

by the way kama US imetoa greenlight ya operation ya kijeshi unadhani ingekataa kutoa greenlight ya mission ya kidiplomasia?
 
It depends on how sanctions are aplied, sanctions zingemlenga bacar ,na serikali yake as individuals zingekuwa very effective.
halafu kama Au walishakubaliana kumsanction bacar ilikuwa ni time ya kuongea na wakubwa kina USA, france, wewe unadhani bacar angekuwa maginalized huku Afrika na dunia nzima ikimsusia unadhani angesimama?

hapa Au haikutumia turufu yake ya kidiplomasia kujenga coalition yenye nguvu ya kumpressurize jamaa.

by the way kama US imetoa greenlight ya operation ya kijeshi unadhani ingekataa kutoa greenlight ya mission ya kidiplomasia?

After an African Union (AU) Peace and Security Council meeting on 20 February, the African body revised its stance on the political conflict in the Union of Comoros, moving from fruitless negotiation efforts to diffuse the conflict to backing the Union government's position of using military force. Four AU countries - Libya, Sudan, Senegal and Tanzania - have promised troops and military support.

The possibility of a new high-level mission, under the auspices of the AU, to try negotiating a peaceful resolution to the conflict prompted Said Bakar to reiterate the government's position to move in with the Union army and re-establish order on Anjouan...

"We know that his [Bacar's] answer will still be the same. Why give him more time?" The proposed AU mission would include representatives from Tanzania, South Africa, France and the United States (US), but it was still unclear as to when the delegation would arrive in Moroni, the national capital, situated on Grande Comore.




Mission ya kidiplomasia imejaribiwa close to a year sasa with no results.
 
halafu cha ajabu why send PM kwa watu kwenye internet forums ambazo wanajua si watu wengi wanazisoma au ndio basi tuu?

Kinacho niput off kwenye hii kitu ni patriotic and euphoric spin in IPP MEDIA na vyombo vinginevyo na hii wanatuthibitishia kuwa media yetu is neither objective nor consistently accurate in their portrayal of this war in Comoros

sie ambao ni ma skeptics hutuamini kuwa every thing is as osy as its being portrayed na zaidi kwa sababu:

1)WE DO NOT TRUST THIS GOVERNMENT OF RICHIMOND,BOT,IPTL etc

2)WE DO NOT TRUST OUR DEFUNCT OPPOSITION

3)WE HAVE NO FAITH IN OUR JUDICIARY

4)WE DO NOT HAVE FAITH IN JK's ADVISORS

5)WE DO NOT TRUST OR BELIEVE ANYTHING IN OUR MEDIA

In short sisi tuko kama watoto wakiwa vile. Why spend billions of money in a military adventure ambayo hatuna faida nayo. Hii ni inachangiwa zaidi na ambitions za MEMBE mabye anajiproect kama DONALD RUMSFELD.

Maiti zikianza kurudi the buck wont only stop with but the following as well:

BERNARD MEMBE

R.P MWASHA

FRANCIS MOSSONGO

CLAY VITOS MANDA

just to name a few from foreign
 
Mission ya kidiplomasia imejaribiwa close to a year sasa with no results.

Western Sahara bado zinaendelea hizo diplomatic missions.

its cheaper to go through diplomatic means than war. Trust me maiti zikianza kurudi au tutakapo ambia the true cost of this war then i am sure utaanza kujiuliza how many roads tungejenga au madaraja mangapi tungemaliza

its easy to win war but its never easyto keep peace

And who are we to decide if Anjouan should suceed or not?

Huoni kam international community wamewatambua KOSOVO?

Je tukishamaliza comoro tutaenda WESTERN SAHARA na SOMALILAND?
 
Western Sahara hamna issue ya secession.Pale ni mgogoro wa occupation ambayo ni a different ballgame.

Isitoshe Morocco wala Western Sahara siyo member wa AU, na by virtue of that siyo signatories wa protocols hizi za military intervention.In short there is no comparison.

Sisi tunaamua kwamba Anjoun isi succeeed kutokana na territorial integrity protocols za AU.AU inaitambua Comoro kama nchi, siyo Anjouan.Who said kwamba Anjouan wanataka ku succeed? Mpaka sasa ripoti ni kuwa Bacar ndiye anataka ku succeeed ili awe rais.Leo kwenye CNN wanaonyesha wananchi wanashangilia majeshi ya AU.

Western Sahara haipo katika mandate ya AU.Somaliland inabidi kuangalia mzozo unaanzia wapi, kama ni wananchi wenyewe wanataka kujitenga free and fair referendum iitishwe.Kama ni ma war lords tu wanatolewa na kupelekwa Arusha.

Kosovo zali lao tofauti kabisa na Anjouan, that is a people based succession.Hii Anjouan ni muhuni mmoja mwenye uchu wa madaraka.
 
I M. M. Mwanakijiji, being of clear conscience and sound mind

Knowing, fully the implications of my positions;

Understanding, that our nation is not at war with any country or entity; and hence I do not support any War that is not!

Bearing in mind, the role that our nation has played through out the liberation struggles and independence of Southern African States;

Recognizing, the general positions that we took on international affairs since the formation of our Republic;

Remembering, the many young men and women who laid their lives so that our nation would remain free;

Agreeing, that the threat to independence of any sovereign African nation is a threat to the independence and sovereignity of our own;

Calling to memory, the principles that distinguished our nation from most of African countries since time of our birth as a nation, among these principles is the the unapologetic, unqualified, and an unambiguous belief that all men are born free and equal;

and That, every nation has to defend its territorial intergrity even by asking the help of other nations!

And that the people of Anjouan have not at anytime declared their intention to secede from the Federation of the Comoros for reasons that could not have been resolved within that union;

Supporting, the decision by the Commander in Chief of our armed forces to deploy our troops in support role as they carry the AU resolution to depose an impostor from office;

Knowing fully that, our mission is well defined and will be carried out in such professional manner and that ours is not an expansionist military endeavor but a defined mission to restore Anjoun to its federal union,

I here by do solemny swear;

That I support our troops who are in harm's way; that I believe their deployment to Comoro is constitutional and hence legal, that their mission is to support Comoro's forces to take back Anjoun and defend the territorial intergrity of Comoro;

That, President Kikwete as the Commander in Chief acted within his presidential power and hence partisan politics has no place in this discussion

That, at this time every Tanzania should be of one heart to wish quick and clear victory to our troops; that we should not discourage them by our partisan bickering as they carry out orders from their CiC.

I do this freely and with no interest but that of total victory and safety to our troops and wishind them God Speed and return home as soon as the mission is accomplished.

So, help me God!
 
Bacar's troops in Anjouan not to give up until last man standing(AFP)

With the red colours of Anjouan tied to the barrels of their guns, President Mohamed Bacar's troops vowed to stand in resistance to the very last, even if it costs them their lives.

"I have over a hundred men and we will fight until we die. It's God will that will decide who is to win and who is to die. The invaders won't make it through," said Lieutenant Ibrahim Moussa from the Anjouan forces.

Positioned around the base of a mobile police force squad locals call the "Pentagon" on the Comoros island of Anjouan, soldiers like Moussa were staked out to defend against a federal government invasion of their isle.

Federal troops -- comprised of Comoran soldiers and primarily Tanzanian African Union forces -- disembarked Tuesday at dawn and entered the Anjouan capital of Mutsamudu where they began clashing with Bacar's 400-odd men.

The government of the federal Union of the Comoros and the AU ruled that Bacar's July 2007 reelection was illegal and have set out to overthrow the leader.

In the afternoon, rounds of fire could be heard at the eastern edge of the capital Mutsamudu. Likewise, Tuesday at noon, clashes with heavy artillery continued to shake the town of Ouani, home to the presidential palace and the island's main airport.

Bacar's troops managed to hold the coastal route linking the two towns together. Hidden among shrubs lining the road, the lightly armed soldiers waited for their enemy.

Locals recall with fear a deployment in 1997 that left civilian casualties, but have yet to witness or experience any large scale effects of this offensive.

Farther down the road, on the outskirts of Mutsamudu, Bacar forces also stood guard, arms in hand in front of anxious civilians who perched in doorways or peered from the shadows of their shops.

An Anjouan soldier asked for updates on the situation in Ouani and told a small group of journalists that the enemy is close at hand. "Be careful!" he said.

Bacar's forces seem to have opted for a guerilla strategy: there are no visible reserves of ammunitions or heavy artillery at their defence points.

Young civilian men armed with knives and machetes sprinted along the road, darting suspicious eyes at foreigners. "We use them for information, they run fast to get updates and bring them back," said an Anjouan commander.

The Pentagon was eventually seized before dusk after several heavy exchanges of fire. Tanzanian and Comoran troops found around 20 rifles and rocket launchers but no fighters, who all fled for cover in the hills.

In Ouani, Comoran and Tanzanian troops succeeded in making some headway but then struggled to progress further under the automatic fire of Anjouan forces.

Members of Bacar's police hid behind a wall to observe from afar coalition boats out at sea -- one of which has been firing shells from time to time at the island.

"We are not afraid, we will resist, they won't win," said one the men, armed only with an old shotgun.
 
Ooh no...there you go again with your long winded self....aarrrggghhhh
 
Wanajeshi wenyewe wa Bacar watoto wazuri tu hao watakutana na kina Mura Chacha wana ugwadu na vita hawajapiga risasi mfululizo wengine tangu Msumbiji, wengine tangu vita vya Kagera!

Halafu ana wanajeshi 100-300? anataka kupambana na AU forces yenye at least 1500 soldiers?

Anajitakia mema huyu?
 
Quote:- Mwanakijiji


I here by do solemny swear;

That I support our troops who are in harm's way; that I believe their deployment to Comoro is constitutional and hence legal, that their mission is to support Comoro's forces to take back Anjoun and defend the territorial intergrity of Comoro;

That, President Kikwete as the Commander in Chief acted within his presidential power and hence partisan politics has no place in this discussion

Salute Brother!
 
Samahani kwa hizi picha za mwanzo, lakini kitendo cha askari wetu kuanza kupiga raia sijafurahishwa nacho kabisa.

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AU ilitambua hawa jamaa kama nchi nda ndio sababu ya Moroco kujitoa AU

http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/981217/1998121758.html

Yeah, Morocco walijitoa kwa sababu ya clash ya Western Sahara.OAU iliona ujinga kukemea colonist occupations za wazungu halafu isikemee member state inayofanya the same.

In principle mahojiano yanaendelea (30 years!) it is high time kualika majeshi ya AU kuwatoa Wamorocco.

This is not going to be a piece of cake like Anjouan.
 
Hawa ni wanajeshi au civilians? Kama wanajeshi saizi yao tu, si wamesaini vita na kiongozi wao anabwabwaja "til last man standing"
 
The mission is not operation " free comoro" it is "operation democracy in comoro".

That because we are so democratic, then we wish to spread the fruits of democracy to others to enjoy, by any "means necessary".

i dont know why we didn't choose the most effective method, the method that would bring a solution that might last longer.
the solution that would really be in phase with democracy as the operation need to be.

The question here is not whether you really want to solve the problem but the question is are you sure that the method which you chose to solve that problem the best one?. no other way to achieve the goal without incur the terrible cost to the tax payers?
 
Bacar wanted to extend his presidency illegally.he was given diplomatic means to negotiated but refused.He gave the Federal Government of Comoro no option but to send for the Afro-Marines.
 
Hii Anjouan ni muhuni mmoja mwenye uchu wa madaraka.

the same can be said about Museveni, Mugabe and Aferweki.

Pia usisahu kuwa jamaa lishinda uchaguzi kule Anjouan by 90% ambao idadi yao inafika laki 3

sasa kama issue hapa kuwa je uchaguzi ulikuwa ni haki au la ni suala lingine lakini mind you wati wa Mwali na Nzuani wanajua wangazija wamekuwa wakitaka kuwaburuza na kama walikuwa hawamtaji huku Bacar basi wasingempigia kura

sasa hapa nataka niweke mawazo yangu binafsi

personally nina support succession ya hawa jamaa if thats suits them kama vile ninavyo support Darfur,Southern Sudan,Western Sahara,Somali land na hata Zanzibar wakitaka kujitenga mimi sina tatizo nalo as long as kutakuwa na free and fair referendum kwenye hilo

Suala la msingi ambalo sitaki tilipoteze hapa ni kuwa PROCESS NZIMA ambayo vijana wetu wamepelekwa kule ilijaa usiri ambao sidhani kama tutaendelea kuukubali for long

Hakuna anayetaka breaches za national security hapa ila tunachosema kuwa maamuzi mazito kama haya yalihitaji transparency badala ya kuburuzwa na Membe na maswahiba wake


 
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