Makampuni yanayohudumia ujenzi wa SGR Bongo yanapigwa mnada, makampuni ya Kenya fursa ndio hiyo

Kevin85ify · Mar 12, 2020

There are over 35 differences between class I chain railways and Class II china railway and/or the American Railway Engineering and Maintenance-of-Way Association standard . These include classifications (role, speed, tonnage, trailing load, etc), safety (safety coefficient, level crossings), geometry (curvatures, gradients etc.), subgrade/ embankment treatment (width of top embankment, subgrade layer, settlement per year and total settlement, etc.), superstructure (Rails, fastener, bridge/ pier, axle load etc.) and ballast thickness and type. All these impact on investment cost and operation and maintenance costs

Tz boy 4tino · Mar 13, 2020

Kevin85ify said:
It is already more expensive, $2.6 billion for a class 2 railway covering 500 km with only fewer stations and less capacity than kenyan line. Add the time wasted by delays and the fact that it will take another two months before galvanized steal is imported

Okay. Let me leave it there ,no further comment. I have little information on the subject . Let me leave it for others to comment .

tuusan · Mar 13, 2020

Kevin85ify said:
Let me get this right.

a) They said they are building with their own tax payer money, only for their government to rush for a commercial loan from standard chartered bank of $1.4 billion.

b) The first phase was to start working by november last year only to discover that the project (200km) is at 72% completion and they needed the loan to finish the first phase and to start on the second phase.

c) Their suppliers are being auctioned due to financial distress which might push the deadline further.

d) They have spent $1.2 billion(partially debt and tax payer money) and borrowed another 1.4 billion for two phases which will cover 500 km. That makes a total of $2.6 billion, used on a class 2 railway without land compensation or legal cases while kenya spent $3.0 billion to make the first phase (485 km) of a class 1 railway, with world standard train stations, a lot of court battles with environmentalists and conservationists and billions in land compensation. Which one sounds cheaper?

Conclusion: They do not think, they do things out of envy and jealousy without forethought (Impulsive). This will definitely become another version of the ethiopian sgr.

What happened to the Ethiopian SGR?

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game over · Mar 13, 2020

So which class is Kenya railway trailing the Garimoshi at milipede speed of 80kph?

Kevin85ify said:
There are over 35 differences between class I chain railways and Class II china railway and/or the American Railway Engineering and Maintenance-of-Way Association standard . These include classifications (role, speed, tonnage, trailing load, etc), safety (safety coefficient, level crossings), geometry (curvatures, gradients etc.), subgrade/ embankment treatment (width of top embankment, subgrade layer, settlement per year and total settlement, etc.), superstructure (Rails, fastener, bridge/ pier, axle load etc.) and ballast thickness and type. All these impact on investment cost and operation and maintenance costs

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Kevin85ify · Mar 13, 2020

shamimuodd said:
Unajua Uhuru asili yake ni Tanzania MK254

And pigs can fly

Kevin85ify · Mar 13, 2020

tuusan said:
What happened to the Ethiopian SGR?

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It is a lame duck sgr with constant delays, power outages, unprofessional workforce etc. It is a nightmare.

tuusan · Mar 13, 2020

If Kenya's SGR is class one because of the railway stations then the word class has got new meaning...

On the other hand our SGR is still U/C Why can't we wait until it starts working so that we can compare which one is better on every parameters

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Kevin85ify · Mar 13, 2020

game over said:
So which class is Kenya railway trailing the Garimoshi at milipede speed of 80kph?

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You do know our line can carry more cargo than your yet to be completed, three months late sgr right? I hope you know that.

Kevin85ify · Mar 13, 2020

tuusan said:
If Kenya's SGR is class one because of the railway stations then the word class has got new meaning...

On the other hand our SGR is still U/C Why can't we wait until it starts working so that we can compare which one is better on every parameters

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There are over 35 differences between class I chain railways and Class II china railway and/or the American Railway Engineering and Maintenance-of-Way Association standard . These include classifications (role, speed, tonnage, trailing load, etc), safety (safety coefficient, level crossings), geometry (curvatures, gradients etc.), subgrade/ embankment treatment (width of top embankment, subgrade layer, settlement per year and total settlement, etc.), superstructure (Rails, fastener, bridge/ pier, axle load etc.) and ballast thickness and type. All these impact on investment cost and operation and maintenance costs.

These are the reasons why the Kenyan line can carry more cargo than the Tanzanian sgr, also the 80 kph is operating speed for cargo trains ie we can easily buy faster trains but why waste money when we can carry more cargo than any other line in the region?

game over · Mar 13, 2020

I asked you a very simple question.

Kevin85ify said:
You do know our line can carry more cargo than your yet to be completed, three months late sgr right? I hope you know that.

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Kevin85ify · Mar 13, 2020

game over said:
I asked you a very simple question.

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And i answered or do you not know what axle load,carrying capacity, safety is? Okay Tanzania sgr will transport a maximum of 17 million tonnes of cargo a year for phase 1 if it ever gets done, while the kenyan line has a capacity to transport 24 million tonnes a year on the whole line.
By November 2018, the SGR was operating 30 freight trains and 4 passenger trains per day.

tuusan · Mar 13, 2020

Kevin85ify said:
There are over 35 differences between class I chain railways and Class II china railway and/or the American Railway Engineering and Maintenance-of-Way Association standard . These include classifications (role, speed, tonnage, trailing load, etc), safety (safety coefficient, level crossings), geometry (curvatures, gradients etc.), subgrade/ embankment treatment (width of top embankment, subgrade layer, settlement per year and total settlement, etc.), superstructure (Rails, fastener, bridge/ pier, axle load etc.) and ballast thickness and type. All these impact on investment cost and operation and maintenance costs.

These are the reasons why the Kenyan line can carry more cargo than the Tanzanian sgr, also the 80 kph is operating speed for cargo trains ie we can easily buy faster trains but why waste money when we can carry more cargo than any other line in the region?

Well,time will tell, I cannot argue with you abt this bcz our SGR is not functional ,but be assured that Tz freight train can carry 10,000 tonnes at once that is equivalent to 500 semitrailers that can carry 20tonnes each

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Kevin85ify · Mar 13, 2020

tuusan said:
Well,time will tell, I cannot argue with you abt this bcz our SGR is not functional ,but be assured that Tz freight train can carry 10,000 tonnes at once that is equivalent to 500 semitrailers that can carry 20tonnes each

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Well your contractor, your government and trademark ea all say 17 million tonnes of cargo a year and only phase 1 will have this. It is not arguments based on opinion but on a fact

Kevin85ify · Mar 13, 2020

tuusan said:
Well,time will tell, I cannot argue with you abt this bcz our SGR is not functional ,but be assured that Tz freight train can carry 10,000 tonnes at once that is equivalent to 500 semitrailers that can carry 20tonnes each

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Also remember ethiopia generates 4,600 MW of electricity yet they are having problems powering their electric trains due to power outages. Tanzania produces about 1600 MW , don't you see a problem coming?

Lwiva · Mar 13, 2020

MK254 said:
yeah kwa kutumia akili na ujanja wa mikakati wakati yenu yanapigwa minada.

Wanazengo natafuta Fundi mzoefu wa kujenya mabanda ya mabati nataka kufuga kuku

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MK254 · Mar 13, 2020

tuusan said:
Well,time will tell, I cannot argue with you abt this bcz our SGR is not functional ,but be assured that Tz freight train can carry 10,000 tonnes at once that is equivalent to 500 semitrailers that can carry 20tonnes each

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Huu uzi mumepewa darasa la kutosha, sema mnajitoa ufahamu kwenye denial.

Gugle · Mar 13, 2020

MK254 said:
Halafu KCB ambayo ina matawi Tanzania inatengeneza faida maradufu, yaani hii ndio fursa nzuri, wazembe wakishindwa Wakenya wanaingia...

KCB Group net profit for the full-year to December 2019 grew by 4.8 percent to Sh25.1 billion from Sh23.99 billion the previous year bolstered by growth in interest income from consolidated book with National Bank of Kenya .
The lender's assets stand at Sh898.5 billion from Sh714.3 billion edging it closer to the Sh1 trillion psychological mark for the country's largest bank by assets.
The Group's net interest income expanded 14.9 percent to Sh56.1 billion last year from Sh48.8 billion in 2018. The growth was supported by a 17.4 percent increase in the loan book to Sh535.3 billion from Sh455.8 billion as the bank prepares to take advantage of the removal of the interest rate caps to improve earnings.
KCB net profit rises to Sh25.1 billion

Tusijali tuendelee kuchungulia kwenye vyungu vya wafanyabiashara na kuvifunika vikiwa vitupu.Wenzetu wamevizingira kwa moto na umeme kiasi kwamba wachunguliaji waliozoea kuchungulia huko wanapojaribu kuchungulia wanakutana na Moshi mzito tu,hawaoni kitu kamwe.Hiyo ni heshima ya Benki KCB.Lazima faida ipatikane hapo.Tujifunze kutunza mikataba tunayokubaliana.

nomasana · Mar 13, 2020

They didn't have money at the time(the GoT had not secured the credit facility from Stan chart), payments to contractors got delayed, companies couldn't meet their financial obligations, and of course the creditors came calling. Simply put GoT messed up.

Phase 1 of the Kenyan SGR was completed ahead of schedule....compare that to the mess that is the Tanzania SGR.

Stay tuned for another propaganda video and phony GoT Twitter updates.

sodoliki · Mar 13, 2020

Kevin85ify said:
speaking of mad then why are you borrowing $1.4 billion on commercial terms from standard chartered bank? Why did you borrow part of the initial $1.2 billion you have spent so far? You have a lot to learn from kenya like how to negotiate for better terms in financial arrangements, and how to leverage.

Mimi ni mtanzania, sidhani kama wamekuelewa , haya madeni ya hovyo itachukua karne nzima na kulipwa na vitukuuu

Mshana Jr · Mar 13, 2020

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